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'Game of chicken': Trump 'daring' Judge Merchan to punish him for gag order violations

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The second gag order violation hearing is underway in former President Trump's hush money trial. Trump's attorney Todd Blanche is arguing certain witnesses are using the gag order as a "sword and shield." MSNBC's Katie Phang, criminal defense attorney Jeremy Saland and former Assistant Attorney General for New York Tristan Snell join Ana Cabrera to discuss.