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The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 10/21/2016

Guests: Patrick Murphy

Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL Date: October 21, 2016 Guest: Patrick Murphy

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: And that does it for us tonight. We will see you again Monday.

Now it`s time for the "Last Word with Lawrence O`Donnell.

Good evening, Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: You know I take notes when you`re speaking, Rachel. You know what I have here?


O`DONNELL: Peeing in the proverbial punch bowl.

MADDOW: Yes, pulling a blender.

O`DONNELL: Yes. That`s what I got.

MADDOW: We`ll work it out later. Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Thank you, Rachel.

Well, we have breaking news. Tomorrow Donald Trump will release his agenda for the first 100 days of his presidency, but I have already got and look at it, and you will not believe, I mean this. You will not believe what is on the Trump agenda anymore.

Also Michael Moore will join us tonight for an exclusive interview to talk about his new film, Michael Moore in Trump land.

But first, apparently Donald Trump decided today he is having such a hard time campaigning against Hillary Clinton, he decided to try campaigning against Michelle Obama.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Wait until you see the results on November 8th.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Anybody watch the debate Wednesday night?

TRUMP: Who won the debates, by the way?

CLINTON: Well, that was the third and last time that I will ever have to debate Donald Trump.

TRUMP: Is there any place more fun to be than a Trump rally?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His poll numbers have been dropping. His only hope now is that Michael J. FOX shows up in a time machine.

TRUMP: The whole deal is rigged so you watch it folks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump is a totally reasonable guy, as long as he gets exactly what he wants, 100 percent of the time.


TRUMP: I just got caught in the rain. I`m soaking wet, how does my hair look. Is it OK?

BIDEN: I wish you were in high school. I could take him behind the gym.

TRUMP: Remember folks, it`s a rigged system. Just remember, it`s a rigged system. Don`t ever forget it.

CLINTON: I have now spent four and a half hours on stage with Donald, proving once again I have the stamina to be president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the "Last Word" on campaign 2016.


O`DONNELL: Donald Trump`s current wife is incapable of composing or delivering a campaign speech for her husband, which would be no big deal, that would be OK. I wouldn`t even mention it, if Donald Trump didn`t decide that today was the day he would attack President Obama`s wife for her speech making.


TRUMP: We have a president, all he wants to do is campaign. His wife, all she wants to do is campaign. And I see how much his wife likes Hillary. But wasn`t she the one that originally started the statement, if you can`t take care of your home? Right? You can`t take care of the White House or the country? Where`s that? I don`t hear that. I don`t hear that. She is the one that started that. I said, we can`t say that. It`s too vicious. Can you believe it? I said that. We can`t -- they said, well, Michelle Obama said it. I said, she did?


O`DONNELL: Donald Trump was trying to pretend that Michelle Obama said that about Hillary Clinton during the first Obama presidential campaign when the Obamas were campaigning against Hillary Clinton. Here is what Michelle Obama actually said in Atlantic, Iowa, in 2007.

One of the most important things that we need to know about the next president of the United States is, is he somebody that shares our values? Is he somebody that respects family? Is he a good and decent person? So our views that if you can`t run your own house, you certainly can`t run the White House. So we have adjusted our schedules to make sure that our girls are first. So that while he is traveling around, I do day trips. That means, I get up in the morning. I get the girls ready. I get them off. I go into trips. I`m home before bedtime so the girls know that I was gone somewhere, but they don`t care. They just know that I was at home to tuck them in at night, and it keeps them grounded. And the children in our country have to know that they come first, and our girls do. And that`s why we`re doing this. We`re in this race for not just our children but for all of our children.

Donald Trump boasted that he had nothing to do with the raising of his children, that he wouldn`t even take them for walks in the park, nothing. So you could read that quote to Donald Trump all day, what Michelle Obama said, you could read it to him, and he would never understand it. He wouldn`t understand that Michelle Obama was talking about Barack Obama and Michelle Obama and their children and the children of America. He`s incapable of understanding what words mean.

The latest NB/"Wall Street Journal" poll seems to indicate that most Americans understand Michelle Obama. Fifty-nine percent have a favorable view of Michelle Obama, making her the most popular political name in the poll. Donald Trump was the least popular, with a 29 percent favorable rating.

And we have breaking news tonight about the first 100 days of the Trump presidency. Tomorrow, in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, Donald Trump will announce his agenda for the first 100 days. But if you`re one of the lucky ones who gets fund raising emails from the Trump campaign, you already have the 100 days agenda, because Eric Trump included it in tonight`s round of begging for money for the fake billionaire who cannot afford to pay for his own presidential campaign.

In addition to begging for money over and over again in the email, the email says this is what my father is determined to do in his first 100 days in office. This is what we are fighting for. We will appoint judges who will uphold our constitution, immediately negotiate better trade deals. Change federal immigration rules and cancel numerous regulations to provide more high-paying jobs for our people. Open up energy production to jump start our economy, and finally, repeal the Obamacare disaster to provide relief to American families.

And yes, that`s right. I said finally. Meaning that`s it. That`s the whole list. That`s the Trump first 100 days. So apparently, in the first 100 days, Donald Trump will not get around to making even a single phone call to Mexico about paying for the wall. And, in the first 100 days, most Muslims apparently will continue to pour into the country, because banning them, like the wall, is no longer a top Trump priority.

Joining us now, Elise Jordan, MSNBC political analyst and former advisor to Senator Rand Paul`s campaign for president. Also Crystal Ball, former candidate for Congress, Democratic strategist and a senior fellow at the New Leaders Council.

Elise, the first 100 day-agenda doesn`t have the biggest items that Donald Trump has pushed in his campaign.

ELISE JORDAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, it`s never been about policy for Donald. It`s kind of, it`s a little bit shocking that at this stage in the game he is actually trying to put policy out there, because it is something that undecided voters desperately want. They want to see that there`s some substance. I have been going around to seven battleground states with (INAUDIBLE), a British polling company and doing these focus groups, and there are so many undecided voters who really want to vote for Trump but he doesn`t give them enough substance. And so now, at this late stage where he should have done this in debate, he should have been doing this for the past six months. He is throwing out some half-hearted policy.

O`DONNELL: So Krystal, he is going to go to Gettysburg tomorrow.


O`DONNELL: And someone in the audience is going to shout out "build the wall, build the wall", and then the wall is going to be on the 100-day agenda, although it won`t be written in the agenda, Trump will go, yes, build the wall.

This is our fun-fiction of (INAUDIBLE), isn`t it at this point? When the election is over for him to go ahead and tell us what we do in his imaginary presidency. I mean, if you`re looking for any sort of logical consistency with Donald Trump, I think that you have lost the thread. And this is a man, as Elise is pointing out, who went on his own convention stage and said I, alone, can fix the problems.

This campaign has never been about issues. It`s always been about Donald Trump. He made it that way. So it cracks me up when his surrogates come out and say we really want to talk about the issues. They have never wanted to campaign on any sort of policy or issues. They have always wanted it to be a Donald Trump personality contest, and that`s exactly what they got, and that`s exactly why they are losing.


JORDAN: It is a last minute to try to flail out some policy.


O`DONNELL: Also, you got to figure with all this talk of "it`s hopeless", which has kind of swept the media, like there really isn`t a chance here. A 100-day agenda is their way of saying oh, look, there really is this dream. It`s still alive.

JORDAN: You could call it that, I guess. Just like the transition team that`s so hard at work.

O`DONNELL: I can`t get you to take this 100-day agenda seriously. I don`t know --

BALL: I want to hear he`s going to build the wall. That`s what I want, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: So, you know, he did that horrible thing at the debate, where he just said, you know, such a nasty woman. Just mutter. Actually very deliberately got up to the mic and got it into the mic so we could all hear it. He apparently is not the only one who thought that. This Republican Carsman (ph) from Texas, Brian Babin. Let`s hear what he said to Allan Colmes about this.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He called her a nasty woman. Is that appropriate?

REP. BRIAN BABIN (R), TEXAS: You know what? She`s saying some nasty things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think it`s appropriate for him to call him a nasty woman?

BABIN: You know, I`m a genteel southerner. Well, I`m (INAUDIBLE), Allan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that mean no?

BABIN: No, sometimes a lady needs to be told when she`s being nasty.


BABIN: I do.


O`DONNELL: Krystal?

BALL: Amazing. I think the GOP at this point needs to realize that this is no longer about Donald Trump. It`s not even at this point about the Senate or what happens in the house. They need to think about the long- term damage that they are doing with women for the future of this party. I mean, they already, before Trump, there was a gender gap and there was an issue there. And now women across the country are looking at how they are enabling this serial sexual assaulter, groper, misogynist and going along with this sort of stuff.

They are observing this. And they`re not just ascribing it to Donald Trump. They are saying this whole party is against me. So I think that the party as a whole needs to step back and take a look what their future is and what their future viability is because you might be able to still win without appealing to minorities, but you can`t win without appealing to women.

O`DONNELL: And Elise, someone in the Trump campaign decided today was a good die start campaigning against Michelle Obama. Because they have to give him this quote, this mangled quote, which is a misrepresentation of what she said.

JORDAN: What you want to do right now --

BALL: Right?

JORDAN: Yes, exactly what I would advise him to do. Go and campaign against a really popular first lady who has really built up so much moral authority in the country for being a wonderful apparent. You know, what I have heard repeatedly from hard-core Trump supporters who don`t her. They don`t like Obama at all but they will say he is a good ma. He is a good father, at least in terms of, you know, in that measurement. And Trump doesn`t have that going for him right now. So he really is drawing. And I feel the worst contrast of himself with Michelle Obama.

O`DONNELL: And Krystal, quickly before we go.

BALL: Yes.

O`DONNELL: I mean, there`s Michelle Obama talking about as a mother, trying to manage that campaign and tuck her kids into bed every night, and Donald Trump tries to distort that.

BALL: It`s disgusting. And it is placing to, you know, there`s this clip that goes around that`s really nasty about, well, if Hillary can`t satisfy her man then how can she satisfy the country. And that`s basically what he is saying to his crowd. And that expression has also on t-shirts at his rallies, to try to pull Michelle Obama. And into that, it is pretty horrifying.

O`DONNELL: Kristal Ball and Elise Jordan, thank you both for joining us tonight.

BALL: Thanks, Lawrence, for having me.

O`DONNELL: Michael Moore will be our next guest. And later, what will happen the day after the election if Donald Trump loses.


O`DONNELL: Michael Moore`s October surprise is his new film called Michael Moore in Trump land. And, as luck would have it, look, he is here. He`s our next guest.

We`ll be right back.


O`DONNELL: Michael Moore`s new movie is "Michael Moore in Trump land." Michael Moore went deep into Trump land in Clinton County, Ohio, where they have been strongly voting Republican for president since 1964. He filled up a theater with Trump voters and Clinton voters and undecided and independents. And he joked his way into a very important discussion of American politics.


MICHAEL MOORE, ACTOR: If Hillary Clinton wins, if the women took over, and because they don`t need us, so you know what this is going to lead to. There are going to be internment camps for men. And Hillary will have all her, you know, wealthy students there with their clipboards, checking us into the internment camp. They have got to pick out a few to keep the species going. Who are they going to pick? The smart ones and the good- looking ones.

So, alright, already I`m looking at the faces of the guys here. They already know they`re in the camp. We`re all in line. We`re going to be in line there, you, you, you, you, oh, you. Over here.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now for his first interview about the new film Michael Moore.

Michael, again, thank you very much for being here.

Boy, I love this movie. I love so much about this movie, including the little reference to the Wellesley students checking in the internment camps. And there`s Hillary Clinton at Wellesley. And the pictures behind it. Every detail is perfectly managed in this thing.

But tell us about the concept. You decide you`re going to go into the thick of it. You want to put everyone in the same room. You have Republicans in this room, Trump voters in this room. You have Hillary voters, if you can find them, which isn`t so easy in that territory.

MOORE: That`s right.

O`DONNELL: You have Muslims in that room. You have Mexicans in that room. And you have jokes about everyone in that room. And it seems like that`s where the audience could feel a unity, was in the laughter.

MOORE: Yes, I have believed for a long time that humor is a great way to communicate. It`s also a great way to relieve that valve on the pressure cooker and relieve the anger. I mean, our best comedians are actually pretty angry people, but that`s why their humor`s so good, because it`s the flip side of that anger. There`s so much anger in the country right now. And I just thought, I`m going to write this one-man show. I`m not going to take it to Berkley or Ann Arbor. I`m going to perform it in a place where I`m going to feel very uncomfortable and where I`m probably going to need a lot of security.

So I went to southern Ohio. We went to one, we went to a county called licking county first. And we got a theater there, and the local Republicans had an uprising and made the board kick me out, basically, to ban me, so we couldn`t put on the show. We had to quickly find another county that had a similar demographic of mostly Republicans in the area. We found and even better county, called Clinton County, which had four times as many people voting for Trump in the primary this year than voted for Hillary. So 26,000 registered voters, and I think 1,000 plus voted in the democratic primary. So that gives you a picture of what it looked like there.

But it was, you know, it was really, when you watch this, you see at the beginning, you know, this probably, there`s 700 people in the theater, and a good 100 of them are people who said they`re voting for Donald Trump, and so they are, you know, like this.


MOORE: And --.

O`DONNELL: Well, you can see in their reaction shots to some jokes.


O`DONNELL: This guy is laughing. The guy right beside him is not, and looks like he is feeling the opposite of laughter at certain moments. And then he will be laughing and then this one won`t.

MOORE: Right. But I -- the humor had to be such that I didn`t want them to leave, right. So I was not there to make fun of them or attack them. In fact, there`s a good seven-minute chunk where I acknowledge the anger of the former middle class that`s thinking of voting for Donald Trump, because he is their human Molotov cocktail. And so they get to throw that into the system, I think.

But I really, it was -- you see this, and gradually through the show, a lot of the more conservative people in the audience, they start laughing, and they laugh more. A lot, because a lot of them are laughing at us liberals, because there`s a lot about us --

O`DONNELL: You do self-deprecating liberal humor.

MOORE: Yes. All true, too. You know, so. But, you know, right away I tell the Trump people, I have segregated the Muslims and Mexicans in the room and I put them in their own section. And during the show, we`re going to build a wall around the Mexican-Americans in the audience. And the Muslims, I got a drone that flies in the balcony over the Muslim section to keep an eye on them. I`m just doing it to show you I`m willing to meet you halfway, and these Muslims and Mexicans have agreed to participate in this so you don`t have to be worried.

O`DONNELL: Now, you have made the journey in this campaign from ardent Bernie backer to ardent Hillary Clinton backer.

MOORE: Well, I don`t know if ardent is the right word. I am an unlikely messenger for Hillary Clinton. I think, now you have seen the movie.


MOORE: Would you agree with me that the Clinton -- even though there was a guy that came out of the movie, I just did a Q&A downtown tonight. And he came out of there and he said, wow, I did not expect any of that. I mean, you`re more optimistic about Hillary than Hillary is optimistic about Hillary. And I said, yes. Well, I just think these things I`m saying about her are not being said.


MOORE: And, but there`s no way the Clinton campaign will endorse this movie.


MOORE: As you now, because there are certain things I say and do in there that`s like, you know. But that`s OK, because I`m outlier to this. I`m not part of the Clinton machine. I am a Bernie voter. I am part of the Bernie revolution. And I understand why ex-auto workers are upset, and when they Donald Trump says he is going to put a tariff on those cars, that Ford is going to built in Mexico. I understand why they like hearing that. And I know why when people say they are not going to vote, we are going to have one of the lowest turnouts, I get that, too, because we have two of the least-liked candidate the ever. So if you just are willing to understand that. But there is whole section of this too where people who hate Hillary, I give them -- I show them a way to actually vote for her and continue hating her while they are in the voting booth.

O`DONNELL: If they need to. And you also echo Bernie Sanders. And publicly you have in terms of the movie, in terms of your advocacy of how to vote in November. You are basically saying what Bernie Sanders is saying about Hillary Clinton.

MOORE: Yes, exactly. And (INAUDIBLE), she has come so far toward Bernie`s positions in a way that I remember Jesse Jackson, when he ran in 1988. He won in the state of Michigan. Michael Dukakis did not adopt any of the positions. She is adopted two-thirds or more of the Bernie platform.

O`DONNELL: We have got to squeeze in a break. Can you stay? Because there`s something I want you to take a look at when we come back, unrelated to the movie, but let`s squeeze in some commercials.

MOORE: OK. Yes. What are we going to sell?

O`DONNELL: I don`t get to see the commercials. I don`t know. The audience will enjoy them. Here`s some commercials.

MOORE: Buy something while we`re gone.


O`DONNELL: The Clinton campaign released this ad today about army captain Humayun Khan.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In 2004, my son was stationed in Iraq. He saw a suicide bomber approaching his camp. My son moved forward to stop the bomber when the bomb exploded. He saved everyone in his unit. Only one American soldier died. My son was captain Khan. He was 27 years old. And he was a Muslim-American. I want to ask Mr. Trump would my son have a place in your America.


O`DONNELL: Michael, there`s been, to my memory, in presidential campaigns, no one like Khazir Khan in one of our campaigns. I have never seen this position held by someone. It`s a level of prominence, almost on a par with the candidates, but a level of respect and awe that I just haven`t seen.

MOORE: It`s because in a year where we seem to have lost our moral core, he is that. He is the embodiment of that moral core. And whoever made this, there`s a lot of graphics on there, and we are on a split screen and all this. But if you have time to go, will this be on your site?


MOORE: OK. People should go back after the show is over and watch this again without all the stuff on the screen. That was a piece of powerful cinema.


MOORE: It`s a short film that, that was, that`s just maybe the most powerful thing I have seen. And whoever made that and good for the -- it`s done with such respect and grace. And God bless this man. And I think, Lawrence, there are thousands, tens of thousands of people just like him.


MOORE: This is not, Khazir Khan is not the only Khazir Khan. We live in a nation of these people. And they don`t have TV shows. You know, they don`t have a soapbox. But when we go to that place, when we remember that we are a country that went into the voting booth, not once but twice and elected a man, and said right on the ballot, it said Barack Hussain Obama. And we did that, twice. That`s who we are.

We get, you know, people from other countries, I`m sure you have had this, what is this Trump, you know? People, he does not represent the vast American public. The American people are good people. At their core. At the core, at the core of Khazir Khan, that`s who we are. And I think, I hope that`s what will happen on Election Day.

The problem here is this, is that while I believe that, and while I believe people can vote at home on their remote controls and x-box, Hillary would win in a landslide. But it`s about who`s going to get out to vote not on the first Tuesday of November, but on the second Tuesday, which is called winter in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania. And so there`s going to be maybe not a very large turnout. And the candidate with the rabid supporters is the one who`s going to have the turnout.

So people need to take this very seriously. A lot of Hillary voters are feeling relieved. I mean, she has won three debates. She is ahead in the polls. You should look at that NBC poll from in tonight. State of Ohio, 45-45.


MOORE: Everybody should look at this election from this point out for the next 17 days, 45-45. For not just Ohio, but the other swings. That`s the way you have, if you are relaxed. If your shoulders are relaxed, if you feel like thank God, Trump`s imploding again, you know. If that`s the way you are thinking, then you are helping to elect Donald J. Trump.

O`DONNELL: And it also means you have not been to Ohio.

MOORE: And I have been Ohio. And I am telling you. People in Ohio are good people, but they need, you know, some outreach. And I mean, down at the theater here where I`m showing the movie the other night, people signing up, taking a bus load of people to Pennsylvania next weekend, mostly students to go knocking on doors.

I mean, this is -- the actual work has to happen. Everybody has to bring five people to the polls with them. Because don`t think it can`t happen. You and I are old enough to know, a man named Tricky Dick was elected not once but twice. Then America elected a b actor whose co-star was a chimpanzee, then w. The state of Minnesota, I think one of the smartest states in the country elected a professional wrestler as their governor.


MOORE: Golfer from the Loveboat was elected Congress from the state of Iowa. This is the country we live in, you know. Don`t take this for granted. Everybody who thought Jennifer Hudson was going to win on "American Idol" and it turned out fantasia won? Where is fantasia today, you know? This is what happens with the American people. Do not sit back and go, Hillary`s not got it in the bag. No problem. If you are talking like that, if you are doing an end zone dance on the 50 yard line, which is where we`re at today, then you are helping to elect Donald Trump.

O`DONNELL: Six years of this show, only one person has mentioned the love boat and fantasia together in the same answer. That`s a record.

MOORE: This is why I`m here.

O`DONNELL: That`s why we are here.

MOORE: And I will come back and have more cultural references for you like that.

O`DONNELL: Michael, thank you very much. I really, really appreciate it.

MOORE: No. Thank you.

O`DONNELL: The movie is number one on iTunes and it`s been on iTunes for hours.

MOORE: Just for hours. This thing has taken off. The theater just told me downtown, we set a record there for their largest opening day on a Wednesday ever in the history of this theater.

O`DONNELL: Michael Moore in Trump land. Michael Moore at "the Last Word" tonight. It`s an honor. Thank you, Michael.

MOORE: It`s an honor to sit here with you.

O`DONNELL: When we come back, what will happen the day after the election, if Donald Trump wins? Do you have something to be afraid of if that happens? That`s coming up.


O`DONNELL: Reuters has just released a new poll tonight saying 63 percent of American voters, including a third of Republicans believe that Donald Trump committed sexual assault in the past. But those are the words of that poll, committed sexual assault in the past, 63 percent of voters believe that.

Up next, a candidate who is trying to win back the Senate for the Democrats so that the Senate will finally do things like confirm Supreme Court justices. Patrick Murphy is running against Marco Rubio in Florida, trying to take that Senate seat away from Marco Rubio. He will join us next.


O`DONNELL: Nate Silver`s 538 now gives Hillary Clinton a 68 percent chance of winning the presidency. But if Republicans retain control of the house and Senate, the Clinton presidency would have virtually no chance to accomplish anything legislatively and might not even be able to get Supreme Court confirmations through the Senate, which is why Nate Silver`s other projection is so hugely important tonight. He is not projecting that Democrats have a 68 percent chance of gaining control of the Senate. Democrats need to pick up only four Senate seats to get control of the Senate. One democrat trying to do that is Florida congressman Patrick Murphy who is challenging Marco Rubio for Florida`s Senate seat.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I will say, I`m even more confused by Republican politicians who still support Donald Trump. Marco Rubio is one of those people. How does that work? How can you call him a con artist and dangerous and object to all the controversial things he says and then say, but I`m still going to vote for him? Come on, man. That`s not the leadership you need. That`s why you got to vote for Patrick Murphy.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Congressman Patrick Murphy of Florida.

Congressman Murphy, you are running -- the latest Quinnipiac poll in Florida shows Marco Rubio up 49, you at 47. That is a tie within the margin of error, but there are reports tonight that the Democratic Senate campaign committee is pulling back on financial support for your campaign. Why would that be happening if you`re running so close in the polls?

REP. PATRICK MURPHY (D), FLORIDA: Well, look, Lawrence, we are excited and confident that we are going to have the resources to win this election. The momentum is behind us. And I`m very confident that the more people who look at the difference between senator Rubio and myself, the easier this election`s going to be.

Look. If Senator Rubio made it clear he doesn`t want this job. He doesn`t like the job. He has got the worst voting attendance record of any senator from Florida in nearly 50 years. I`m proud of my accomplishments in the house. Proud that, you know, I want to work across the aisle to get things done for the people of Florida. Proud of my 97 percent voting record. And look. Senator Rubio is being supported by the special donors, right, the Koch brothers and all the other groups, giving him millions and millions of dollars a week. Proud of the grassroots support and are voting to get our message out there. And as you just said in that poll, we are neck and neck and a, you know, basically toss-up race against senator Rubio. And I`m very confident we are going to win this election.

O`DONNELL: We have seen a lot of extraordinary newspaper endorsements this season because of Donald Trump. "Miami Herald" in effect is doing that in your race. The "Miami Herald" you in this race. The endorsed Marco Rubio for this seat last time around. This time, they said Mr. Trump`s candidacy is a test of character. And senator Rubio is failing that test.

I just wanted to run some video of Marco Rubio explaining that if he makes it back to the Senate, he will actually be working in opposition to a president Trump if there is a president Trump. Let`s listen to this.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: I don`t agree Donald and the nominee of my party on many issues, and so I imagine that on certain issues, if he`s elected, you`re going to have congressional Republicans who are going to be pushing the country potential any a different direction than a Republican president.


O`DONNELL: What`s your reaction to that, Congressman Murphy?

MURPHY: As I said in a debate to the senator. If you can`t stand up to Donald Trump as a senator, there`s no way you can stand up to him as a president. Senator Rubio said Donald Trump id a con man. You know, senator Rubio he doesn`t Donald Trump with our nuclear codes. Yes, jury is endorsing him. And if that`s not bad enough, he doubled down on his endorsement of Donald Trump after it`s clear that Donald Trump is a sexual predator. And Marco Rubio stands by his side, despite all of that? Showing he will continue to put his own political ambition in front of what`s best for Florida. And that`s what frustrates so many voters and so many Floridians as they through, you know, senator Rubio`s political calculations here.

O`DONNELL: Congressman Patrick Murphy, thank you very much for joining us on this busy campaign day for you. Really appreciate it.

MURPHY: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Thank you.

Up next. What`s going to happen the day after the election? If Donald Trump loses, will his supporters take to the streets with their guns, maybe? To try to take back the government? Will they try for what they call a second amendment solution to the rigged election? I`ll tell you why I think you will have nothing to be afraid of in this country the day after the election. That`s next.



TRUMP: What a waste of time if we don`t pull this off. You know, these guys have said, doesn`t matter if you win or lose, there`s never been a moment hike this in the history of this country. And I said it matters to me whether we win or lose, so I`ll have over $100 million of my own money in this campaign. So, if I lose, if I lose, I will consider this, and the nice part about saying that, and I only tell you that because that means I`m not taking all of this money from all these people that Hillary`s taking money.


O`DONNELL: That was Donald Trump today in North Carolina. Of course he hasn`t spent $100 million of his own money yet. If you see records indicate so far he has spent $56 million, which is really a tiny amount of money for a real billionaire to spend on a presidential campaign. One of the many reasons I never thought Donald Trump would run for president is that I have always known that he couldn`t afford it. I have always said that he`s not a real billionaire, and running for president costs $1 billion. President Barack Obama spent $1.1 billion on his last campaign. Mitt Romney spent just over a billion on the last Republican presidential campaign.

There`s 17 days left in the campaign, and Donald Trump still hasn`t spent anything close to $100 million dollars of his own money. And he always claimed that if he ran for president he would never have to raise any money. He would just spend his own. And he continued to claim that after he announced his candidacy.


TRUMP: I`m using my own money. I`m funding my campaign. By the way, I`m self-funding my campaign. I`m self-funding, putting up my own money, folks.


O`DONNELL: Donald Trump`s most devoted followers, the truest believer of the Trump True believers no longer believe him about self-financing his campaign. They now know that he was lying about that. And he reminds them that he was lying about that every single day. In their email inboxes, every day, they get constant reminders from Donald Trump himself that he was lying to them about being able to pay for his own presidential campaign. Donald Trump begs them for money, every day.

Here`s what he sent them the day after the debate. Friend, last night it was us against the world, and we won. We showed the world that our country can once again be run by the American people not with special interests, not the lobbyists, not the Washington bureaucrats. Today is our opportunity to show the media, to show Hillary, to show the world what`s coming on November 8th. Please make a contribution to help us surge in the polls after last night`s debate. We must cut through the noise to deliver our message straight to the American voter. The future of our country depends upon it. Please make a contribution of 165, 50, 35, 25 or 15 to help a surge in the polls. Thank you Donald Trump.

Well, if the future of our country depends on it, why wouldn`t superman save us with his own money? Why wouldn`t Donald Trump shell out one of his many billions to pay for his presidential campaign? Because he can`t afford it. Because he is not a billionaire. He is just a poor little millionaire. And his most devoted followers know that.

If you`ve lived long enough, someone you love has lied to you. Friend, a son, a daughter, boyfriend, parent, wife, husband. That kind of lie hurts. It hurts so much that we don`t want to face it. Some of us then try to pretend that we weren`t lied to. Some of us do all sorts of things to try to avoid facing that we have been lied to. And you can see Trump voters going through that all the time.

If you have been lied to about something that is central to your relationship to that person, one of the foundational building blocks of your love for that person, something happens to the relationship when you discover that lie.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are the problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Can I ask you something?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are the problem.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Of all of the candidates, name one who had a million dollars judgment against him for hiring you.

CRUZ: Name one -- Donald Trump -



O`DONNELL: Imagine how that guy feels tonight. Donald Trump is self- funded. Most important thing he wanted to say about Donald Trump that day to Ted Cruz. Now he knows that Donald Trump was lying to him. About being self-funded. He gets an e-mail about that lie every day. He might try to rationalize it somehow if he was talking to Ted Cruz about it again or to a Clinton supporter, but deep down, in his heart, he knows that one of the things he loved most about Donald Trump, the thing he loved most about Donald Trump was a lie. How do you think that guy`s going to feel the day after the election if Donald Trump loses? You think he`s going to grab a gun and run into the streets and join a revolutionary war for Donald Trump? You think he`s going to start rioting? I don`t. I think he`s going to think that the liar he voted for, for president this time, lost again.

In my experience, talking to Trump supporters out there in the country, whenever I mention an obvious lie that Donald Trump tells, they always say the same thing, every one of them says the same thing. They all lie. All politicians lie. That`s their defense of Donald Trump lying. Their defense is not Donald Trump doesn`t lie. Their defense is that they all lie. All politicians lie.

Most Republicans think Donald Trump is lying when he says that all the women who`ve accused him of sexual assault are liars. Only 23 percent of Republicans think Donald Trump probably has not made unwanted sexual advances toward women. Trump voters know Donald Trump`s a liar. They`re not going to go to war for a liar. If Donald Trump doesn`t concede defeat when the votes are counted.

As I hope he doesn`t, he will leave a very clear marker for historians that he was unlike any other candidate in our history. If he doesn`t concede defeat, he will not do any harm to democracy, American democracy. American democracy does not need Donald Trump`s approval. American democracy is enshrined in a constitution stronger than any of the walls of the government building in Washington.

The constitution is not made of granite. It is made of words. Words written by men who were wiser than Donald Trump. Words that are now upheld today by women and men who are wiser than Donald Trump and stronger than Donald Trump.

I want Donald Trump to continue to behave as consistently as possible with who he actually is. I don`t want him to try to pretend that he is not a racist or not a sexist or not someone who brags about sexual assault. I don`t want him to pretend that he has any of the decency of all of the men who have come before him, the men who came in second in the race for the presidency.

I want him to permanently separate himself from them, in history, by refusing to concede defeat, by being the sorest loser in the history of American politics. If Donald Trump refuses to admit defeat and then he issues calls for arms for voters to take to the streets with or without their guns to take back their government, Trump voters won`t do it. The day after the election, win or lose, Trump voters will take their kids to school. They will do to their jobs. They will pay the rent. (INAUDIBLE) AND get on with their classes and ignore every photo pay their rent, pay their mortgages, get on with their lives and ignore everything Donald Trump says, including the email that they are sure to get from Donald Trump begging for money to pay off his campaign debts.



TRUMP: I don`t know what kind of shape I`m in, but I will be happy, and at least I will have known, win, lose or draw, and I`m almost sure, if the people come out, we`re going to win. But I will be, I will be happy with myself, because I always say, I don`t want to think back, if only I did one more rally, I would have won North Carolina by 500 votes instead of losing it by 200 votes, right? If only I did. So I never, ever want to look back, I never want to say that about myself.


O`DONNELL: So there`s the winner Donald Trump pondering how he is going to feel if he loses. If he loses North Carolina by 200 votes. As of tonight, he`s losing North Carolina by tens of thousands of votes. Hillary Clinton`s polling at 50, Donald Trump is polling at 48. And so, you probably won`t have to worry about that, Donald, losing North Carolina by 200 votes. Don`t worry about that.

That`s tonight`s "Last Word." Chris Hayes is up next.