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Bush supporters turn their backs on Jeb in key primary state

A new report shows some of New Hampshire's most influential Republican leaders, who supported the first two Bush presidencies, aren't yet sold on a third.
Jeb Bush Attends Reception Hosted By Right To Rise PAC. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty)
Former Florida Governor and potential Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush speaks to supporters during a fundraising event at the Jorge Mas Canosa Youth Center on March 18, 2015 in Sweetwater, Fla.

So who gets left out of the first GOP debate?... Are national polls the best way to determine who participates and who doesn’t?... Here’s the first batch of Hillary’s emails… RIP, Iowa straw poll?... Rand’s Stand -- but don’t call it a filibuster… The New Hampshire Republicans who backed W. and H.W. aren’t fully on board with Jeb… And Obama’s (stated) ISIS strategy isn’t working.


*** So who gets left out of the first GOP debate? Well, it turns out that the first GOP presidential debate on August 6 won’t feature 18 candidates on one stage, or won’t display two different trial heats of nine participants. Instead, host Fox News -- with the Republican National Committee’s blessing -- decided to limit the debate to the Top 10 announced candidates in the polls, based on an average of last five national polls before Aug. 4 at 5:00 pm ET. (Note: This isn’t a cap at 10, since there could be a tie for 10th place, and thus you could have 11 participants.) If you take the five last national polls that NBC News recognizes -- Fox, NBC, Quinnipiac, CNN, Monmouth -- here are your Top 10 Republicans by average. (For this purpose, not being listed = zero.)

1. Jeb Bush 15.8%

2. Scott Walker 12.0%

3. Marco Rubio 11.6%

4. Ted Cruz 8.8%

5. Rand Paul 8.6%

6. Mike Huckabee 8%

7. Ben Carson 6.8%

8. Chris Christie 5.4%

9. Rick Perry 3.0%

10. Donald Trump 2.2%

This means that, based on these national polls, the Republicans who would not be included are: Carly Fiorina (the only female candidate in the GOP field), Rick Santorum (the winner of the 2012 Iowa caucuses), Bobby Jindal (the sitting governor of Louisiana), John Kasich (the sitting governor of Ohio) and Lindsey Graham (the most senior U.S. senator in the GOP field).

*** Are national polls the best way to determine who participates and who doesn’t? In fairness, we understand how hard it is to come up with criteria determining who debates and who doesn’t. But are polls the best -- and only -- way to do this? After all, if Donald Trump does announce he’s running (and we have our doubts about that), he’ll make the Top 10 due to name identification alone. And then are the outstanding questions: Do national polls need to start listing ALL announced candidates? What happens to the candidates who aren’t listed? Do they count as a zero? By the way, CNN, which hosts the second GOP debate, has decided to take two fields: 1) the Top 10, and 2) everyone else. But here’s the thing to consider if you’re in that second group: Once you’re out of the first debate, it’s hard to get back in. See Gary Johnson in 2011-2012.

*** Here’s the first batch of Hillary’s emails: The State Department is set to release the first batch of emails from Hillary Clinton’s private email account. And The New York Times has some of them. From the Times’ story: “They capture the correspondence and concerns expressed among Mrs. Clinton, who was secretary of state at the time, and her advisers following the attacks, which claimed the lives of the American ambassador, J. Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans... They appear to back up Mrs. Clinton’s previous assertions that she did not receive classified information at her private email address. But some of the emails contain what the government calls “sensitive” information or “SBU’’ — sensitive but unclassified. This includes details of the whereabouts of State Department officials in Libya when security there was deteriorating during the 2011 revolution.”

*** RIP, Iowa straw poll? Jeb Bush already said he won’t participate in August’s Iowa straw poll. And now he’s joined by Mike Huckabee, winner of the 2008 Iowa caucuses. Huckabee’s explanation: The straw poll costs too much money -- for little reward -- and it only ends up dividing conservative presidential candidates. “It's clear that pitting conservative candidates with limited resources against each other in a non-binding and expensive summer straw poll battle, while allowing billionaire-backed establishment candidates to sit out, will only wound and weaken the conservative candidates who best represent conservative and hard-working Iowans,” he writes in a Des Moines Register op-ed explaining his decision. If the back-to-back Bush and Huckabee decisions to skip the straw poll -- especially when there’s a competing Red State gathering in Atlanta at the same time -- don’t kill the event, it seriously weakens it. And remember: The 2011 winner of the Iowa straw poll was Michele Bachmann, who ultimately finished SIXTH in the caucuses.

*** Rand’s Stand -- but don’t call it a filibuster: After speaking for 10 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds, Sen. Rand Paul finished his long Senate speech in opposition to NSA data surveillance at 11:48 pm ET last night, NBC’s Frank Thorp reports. Paul was joined by 10 senators from both sides of the aisle during his speech -- seven Democrats and three Republicans, some of whom spoke more than once. At one point while Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) was speaking, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) was presiding, meaning all three Senate GOP presidential hopefuls were on the Senate floor at the same time, Thorp adds. Technically, Paul’s speech wasn’t a filibuster. Because he finished his speech before midnight, he didn’t delay any consideration of any bill. Indeed, Paul ending his speech before midnight allows for a key procedural vote at 10:00 am ET on the fast-track Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) bill, which needs 60 votes to proceed. The fact that Paul chose to end his remarks before midnight suggests that he didn’t want to antagonize Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on this trade deal. And when you’re showing deference, it’s not a filibuster.

*** The New Hampshire Republicans who backed W. and H.W. aren’t fully on board with Jeb: Don’t miss this Boston Globe story on Jeb Bush: He hasn’t won over New Hampshire Republicans -- not yet anyway. “Some influential Granite State Republicans who in the past enthusiastically backed Bush family candidates — such as Jeb Bush’s father in 1988 and brother in 2000 — so far are not offering that same support to the newest Bush on the political scene. One is former US representative Charlie Bass. Two generations of the Bass family backed Bush campaigns for president, governor, and the Senate. When George W. Bush launched his campaign for president in 1999, then-US Representative Bass stood at his side in front of a crowd of thousands on the New Castle Common. Former senator Judd Gregg, who also hails from two generations of Bush supporters, isn’t yet on board with Jeb Bush, either. Nor is John H. Sununu, who served as George H.W. Bush’s White House chief of staff. And his son, former US senator John E. Sununu, is backing John Kasich, the governor of Ohio.” One thing worth noting: Some of Jeb World 2016 is the old McCain World 2000, and that might explain why the folks who backed W. aren’t on board right now.

*** Obama’s (stated) ISIS strategy isn’t working: The United States faces three options to achieve the stated goal of dismantling and destroying ISIS: 1) You introduce a surge of U.S. ground troops, 2) you leave it to the Iranians, or 3) you do what the Obama administration is currently doing. But as we found out with ISIS taking Ramadi is that the current strategy isn’t working -- at least backing up the rhetoric to dismantle and destroy ISIS. Now you could argue that the real U.S. strategy is designed to CONTAIN ISIS, WEAR THEM DOWN, and prevent them from being a threat INSIDE the U.S. And that strategy could be working a bit better. But the Obama administration has never said that’s the strategy. And that’s the problem.

*** On the trail today: Jeb Bush remains in New Hampshire… Mike Huckabee is in South Carolina… And Rick Perry, Rick Santorum and Scott Walker speak at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference gathering in Oklahoma City.

OBAMA AGENDA: ISIS overruns another area

From the AP: “Islamic State militants overran the famed archaeological site at Palmyra early on Thursday, just hours after seizing the central Syrian town, activists and officials said, raising concerns the extremists might destroy some of the priceless ruins as they have done in neighboring Iraq.”

From Dante Chinni: "For the last eight years the state of the economy - and the need to fix it - has been front-and-center in American politics. As the next presidential race begins, it may be time to consider whether that will still be the case in 2016."

The New York Times: "The United States and Cuba are closer than ever to reaching an agreement to fully restore diplomatic relations and reopen embassies, officials in both countries say, as negotiators prepare to meet Thursday in Washington for another round of talks to iron out remaining details and discuss possible dates."

CONGRESS: Rand’s Stand

After more than 10 hours, Rand Paul ended his long speech (it wasn’t a filibuster) to oppose renewal of the Patriot Act.

Here's where things stand on the NSA issue now, via The Washington Post: "A bitter ideological divide in Congress appeared destined Wednesday to at least temporarily end the bulk collection of Americans’ phone records as government officials warned they would have to begin shuttering the program after Friday if lawmakers do not act."

The New York Times has a fun look at how the sage grouse is ruffling feathers in Congress - to the tune of $612 billion.

POLITICO sums up the messy end to this session, writing that "intraparty warfare is reaching a boil as Congress struggles to conclude a messy session of legislating and head home for a weeklong vacation."

OFF TO THE RACES: Jeb: People who say climate science is decided are “arrogant”

The big news yesterday afternoon: FOX News has determined qualifications for the first GOP presidential debate. "The network will require contenders to place in the top 10 in an average of the five most recent national polls in the run-up to the event, narrowing what is expected to be a field of 16 or more by the Aug. 6 event in Cleveland."

The Washington Post writes that Republicans hope to turn the Islamic State into a problem for Democrats: "After more than a decade bearing the political burden of Iraq, Republicans are making a dogged effort to shed it by arguing that the Islamic State’s gruesome ascent is a symptom of Obama’s foreign policy, rather than a byproduct of the 2003 invasion they once championed."

BUSH: In New Hampshire last night, he weighed in on climate change: "For the people to say the science is decided on this is really arrogant, to be honest with you," he continued. "It's this intellectual arrogance that now you can't have a conversation about it, even. The climate is changing. We need to adapt to that reality."

The Boston Globe writes that New Hampshire Republicans are taking more of a wait-and-see approach to Jeb Bush’s candidacy.

CARSON: He told The Hill that it was a mistake to invade Iraq.

CLINTON: The New York Times reports that the State Department is set to release the first batch of emails from Hillary Clinton's private email address soon, and their focus is expected to be her concerns about Libya.

And here are about a third of those documents, online at the New York Times now

The Wall Street Journal writes about the problems Priorities USA Action has had raising money.

HUCKABEE: In a Des Moines Register editorial, he said he will not participate in the Iowa Straw Poll: "I have concluded this year's Iowa Straw Poll will serve only to weaken conservative candidates and further empower the Washington ruling class and their hand-picked candidates."

Here's more, from one of us(!).

And around the country...

FLORIDA: POLITICO looks at the "grand ambitions" of Democrat Alan Grayson, who's creating plenty of headaches for his party.

KENTUCKY: The Lexington Herald-Leader's Sam Youngman: "Call it limbo, purgatory or a holding pattern, but the Republican Party of Kentucky is in a strange and uncomfortable position, and the coming week will be among the longest in the history of the party."

Additional reporting by Carrie Dann.