The Last Word With Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 11/2/2016

Guests:
Katie Packer, Charlie Sykes, Jonathan Capehart, David Corn, Alexandra Berzon, Jon, Ralston, Karine Jean-Pierre
Transcript:

Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL
Date: November 2, 2016
Guest: Katie Packer, Charlie Sykes, Jonathan Capehart, David Corn,
Alexandra Berzon, Jon, Ralston, Karine Jean-Pierre

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: We will see you again tomorrow, now it`s time
for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell, good evening, Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: Rachel, the debate was even worse than you
presented. We`re going to present – I was going to use the word
highlights.

MADDOW: Yes –

O`DONNELL: But we`re going to present excerpts –

MADDOW: Very good –

O`DONNELL: Of this debate, this David Duke debate coming up, and he
attached himself to Donald Trump as if Donald Trump was his running mate.

I mean, Donald Trump –

MADDOW: Wow –

O`DONNELL: Really was his running mate in that room tonight. Really –

MADDOW: That`s how he has it – that`s how – to whom he credits his
success in the –

O`DONNELL: Absolutely –

MADDOW: Senate race thus far this year –

O`DONNELL: Absolutely.

MADDOW: All right, thanks, man –

O`DONNELL: Thank you, Rachel –

MADDOW: Yes –

O`DONNELL: We will bring you those excerpts from the ugliest debate of the
year. This makes the Donald Trump performances look elegant compared to
David Duke.

But first, how Republicans in the battleground states can stop Donald
Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We got six days, six days.

STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN & TELEVISION HOST: Time enough to tell your
family you love them and make your peace with God.

(LAUGHTER)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We`re going to pretend we`re down,
we`re down, pretend, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s gotten more competitive, but Hillary Clinton is
still over 270.

TRUMP: She shouldn`t be allowed to run.

HILLARY CLINTON 9D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Imagine it is Donald Trump
standing in front of our Capitol and taking the oath of office.

OBAMA: He says he`ll be his own foreign policy adviser because he has a
good brain.

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is one sick puppy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you vote for Hillary, you`re a grown-up.

TRUMP: Stupid people, stupid people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you vote for Trump, you`re a sucker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

TRUMP: That`s so nice.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is very cavalier about using nuclear weapons. His
rhetoric is off the wall on this topic.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: It`s not actually –

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that right here you`re being delusional.

CONWAY: No, I`m not, I`m not being delusional.

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA: It is strange how over time what is crazy gets normalized.

TRUMP: Anybody want to go swimming? Let`s go.

(CHEERS)

BIDEN: What are we thinking of doing here?

TRUMP: Six days away, no sidetracks, Donald, nice and easy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Tonight in many battleground states across the country, the
voters are – the voters who are standing between Donald Trump and the
presidency are Republican Never Trump voters.

The Never Trump movement was left for dead by the political media at
several points during the Republican primaries.

The Never Trump movement was ridiculed in the media every night that Donald
Trump won another Republican Party.

Most in the political media seemed to forget that winning primaries was not
the same thing as winning the presidency.

And as Donald Trump continued to rack up primary wins, the Never Trump
movement never wavered because Never Trump meant never a President Trump.

The Never Trump movement always knew that the verdict on their efforts
would be delivered on election night, November 8th.

And as of tonight, polling indicates that there could be enough Republican
voters in the battleground states to give Donald Trump this – the
presidency.

But, the Never Trump movement is on the verge of preventing Donald Trump
from ever spending a night in the White House.

Yesterday at this hour, we reported that a new tracking survey of early
voters in Florida shows that 28 percent of Republican early voters in
Florida are voting for Hillary Clinton.

That is the only tracking survey with actual early voting results in
Florida. The only one. That same survey combined with likely voter
election day polling predicts that Hillary Clinton will win 48 percent of
the vote in Florida to Donald Trump`s 40 percent.

That winning margin would obviously contain a very large Republican vote
against Donald Trump.

Hillary Clinton is campaigning in Arizona tonight where at this point, four
years ago, President Obama didn`t have a chance against Mitt Romney who won
Arizona with a 9-point margin over President Obama.

A new “Cnn” poll shows Donald Trump only five points ahead of Hillary
Clinton in Arizona, with Donald Trump at 49, Hillary Clinton at 44.

That same poll shows John McCain 13 points ahead of his Democratic
challenger Ann Kirkpatrick. With John McCain at 54 and Ann Kirkpatrick at
41.

So, about 5 percent of the people who are voting for John McCain for Senate
are also voting for Hillary Clinton for president.

The Clinton campaign announced today it`s almost doubling their television
ad-buy in Arizona for the final week of the campaigns, spending over a
million dollars in just the last week.

The Clinton campaign has 33 field offices in Arizona that will be working
to get out the vote. The Trump campaign is not making a similar effort in
Arizona.

“Arizona Republic” reporter Dan Nowicki told “The Washington Post” “Trump
doesn`t have much of a ground operation.

And it seems like Trump isn`t interested in investing money here. Trump
mostly is relying on personal appearances and earned media.”

There is a similar polling problem for Donald Trump in Wisconsin. In
Wisconsin, a new Marquette poll out today shows Hillary Clinton leading
Donald Trump by 6 points, with Hillary Clinton at 46 and Donald Trump at
40.

But a Republican – but Republican Senator Ron Johnson is trailing his
Democratic Senate candidate Russ Feingold by 1 point.

With Russ Feingold at 45, Ron Johnson, 44. So, there is Republican Senator
Ron Johnson pulling in 4 percent more of the Wisconsin vote than Donald
Trump. In Ohio, Republican Senator Rob Portman is now openly appealing to
Hillary Clinton voters.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you actively turning out some of those particular
voters that might be supporting Hillary but also supporting you?

SEN. ROB PORTMAN (R), OHIO: All I can tell you is when we go to a Hillary
Clinton event, we get yard sign locations, you know, we really do.

I mean, because people look at our record and what I`ve done, they know me
and they`re happy to help. Not everybody, obviously we`re not expecting to
get the majority of folks who show up at Hillary Clinton rally.

But you know, we get our share. And I think that`s going to be important
on election day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Thanks to the Never Trump movement, Hillary Clinton is running
a closer race in Texas and Georgia than any recent Democrat. Here is what
Donald Trump told his followers about that today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: You probably heard over the last couple of weeks, Texas is in play.
Texas – that Georgia is in play.

I`m saying, gee, that`s too bad. Let me tell you, they`re setting records
in Texas and they`re voting for Trump, just so you understand it.

(CHEERS)

And they know, but when they see those numbers come in, they don`t want to
announce them, but we are winning like almost everywhere.

(CHEERS)

I think – give us two more days, I think we`re going to be winning
everywhere.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Katie Packer; a Republican consultant at
Morning Glass Consulting, she is the former Romney deputy campaign manager
and an Msnbc contributor.

Also with us, Charlie Sykes, radio host on “Wtmjam” in Milwaukee, who is
also an Msnbc contributor. Katie, it`s hard to think about where this
campaign would be tonight without a Never Trump movement among Republicans.

(LAUGHTER)

KATIE PACKER, CONSULTANT, MORNING GLASS CONSULTING: Well, you know, one of
the reasons so many of us oppose Trump in the primaries, Lawrence, was that
we really thought that Donald Trump would be the weakest Republican
candidate in a general election.

And I think we`re seeing that play out. We`re seeing Hillary Clinton
having, you know, a horrible closing week on this campaign and still Donald
Trump isn`t able to close the deal.

Because he is viewed by so many independent and soft Republican voters, and
even some really hard Republican voters who view him as appalling and
unacceptable.

And I think if any of the other candidates had prevailed, they`d be winning
this thing in a landslide.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to Donald Trump in Florida today where in the
middle of his speech, he starts talking to himself, and then, of course,
says Hillary Clinton is unhinged. Let`s watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: We are going to win the White House, we`re going to win it.

(CHEERS)

It`s feeling like it already, isn`t it?

(CHEERS)

Just we`ve got to be nice and cool, nice and cool, right? Stay on point,
Donald, stay on point.

(LAUGHTER)

No sidetracks, Donald, nice and easy, nice. Because I`ve been watching
Hillary the last few days, she`s totally unhinged, we don`t want any of
that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Charlie Sykes, the – this Florida Survey that we got last
night was really quite stunning –

CHARLIE SYKES, RADIO HOST: Right –

O`DONNELL: And the possibility that 28 percent of the early Republican
voters in Florida voting for Hillary Clinton.

That would be a – just a very powerful vote against Donald Trump obviously

SYKES: Yes –

O`DONNELL: Wisconsin, there seems to be a significant Never Trump faction
in Wisconsin, where you are, that seems to be detectable in the polling.
What is your reading of Wisconsin?

SYKES: Well, it`s very interesting in southeastern Wisconsin in the so-
called wow counties where the Republican bloc is concentrated.

Ron Johnson is right now running 10 points ahead of Russ Feingold, but
Trump and Clinton are tied. So, he is grossly underperforming in the
Milwaukee suburbs where he`s got to not only win, he`s got to win big.

And I think this is part of this phenomenon. You know, but the Trump folks
can`t seem to decide whether or not the Never Trump movement is completely
irrelevant and pointless.

Or whether or not we`re going to be the ones who stabbed him in the back.
I think a lot is going to depend on how this turns out, whether they`re
going to try to blame Never Trump people.

But look, we`re just simply one constituency of many that Donald Trump and
the Trump campaign have alienated, have threatened, have insulted over the
last several months. And clearly, they`re paying a price for this right
now.

O`DONNELL: Katie, in your experience, talking to Republicans and talking
to Trump voters, are you hearing minds changing in this last couple of
weeks?

PACKER: I will say that I`ve talked to a lot of people, mostly
Republicans – well, all Republicans. I don`t know anybody that`s
undecided really at this point that`s not a Republican.

But I have talked to people who were kind of on the fence, and this whole
thing with Clinton has kind of reinforced, you know, 20 years of hatred
that has built up against Hillary Clinton.

And there are people that are feeling like, well, you know, I`m going to
hold my nose, I don`t like Donald Trump, but I`m going to hold my nose
because Hillary Clinton is just so corrupt.

The problem for Trump is that he was only at about 79 percent of
Republican voters two weeks ago. And he needs to be at like 94 or 95
percent of Republican –

SYKES: Right –

PACKER: Voters if he`s going to be competitive. Mitt Romney had 93
percent of Republican voters and still lost the election. I don`t think
Donald Trump can close that gap.

Particularly among Republican women, we`ve seen in poll after poll after
poll where he is underperforming with Republicans.

It`s largely among Republican women, and it may just be that Republican
women are the ones that prevent Donald Trump from entering the White House.

O`DONNELL: Yes, that seems to be –

SYKES: Right –

O`DONNELL: What we`re picking up and what we`re picking – certainly,
there was evidence of that in the Florida survey.

I just want to take a quick look at the Quinnipiac swing state polls out
today. They give Florida to Hillary Clinton at this stage by a point,
North Carolina to Hillary Clinton by three, Donald Trump gets Ohio by five.

Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton gets that by five. And Charlie Sykes, if
that`s true –

SYKES: Yes –

O`DONNELL: Then Donald Trump doesn`t have a root to the electoral college
win.

SYKES: No, he does not. You know, on the – on the other hand though,
this week has been a very good week for Hillary Clinton. There does seem
to be some momentum.

And you cannot overstate how much anti-Hillary Clinton sentiment there is
among Republicans. I mean, I don`t pick up a lot of enthusiasm for Donald
Trump.

It is that holding the nose is going OK, you know, he is awful, he is
terrible, he is everything you say about him, but at least he`s not Hillary
Clinton.

The fact that he – that I mean, Katie is right. The fact that he cannot
close the deal at this point is really a sign of his disadvantages.

Because you know, he can certainly imagine that any other Republican, given
the events of last week, given Obamacare, the e-mails, the incredible, you
know, sense of anti-Clinton – the anti-Clinton sensibility out there that
any other Republican would be closing and sealing this deal.

But I don`t think he is going to be able to do it.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to Hillary Clinton tonight talking about Donald
Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: The thing that is so shocking to me is no matter who you are,
what your background is, if you don`t fit into a very narrow category of
people that he can relate to, then somehow you don`t have a part in Trump`s
America.

That really bothers me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Katie, that`s her message in Nevada tonight.

PACKER: Yes, and I think that as Charlie mentioned, there are a lot of
groups that feel that. We – you know, one of the reasons that I think
women have pulled away from Trump from, you know, early on is this sense
that if you don`t look like a Victoria`s Secret super model, you don`t have
any value as a woman.

If you aren`t sort of a wealthy white American like Donald Trump, then
you`re a loser, you`re a failure and you don`t fit in Trump`s America.

I sort of agree with that sentiment, and I don`t think that`s a Democrat
sentiment. I think that it`s a sentiment that a lot of people are feeling
when they hear the rhetoric from Donald Trump`s mouth and they hear what
many of his supporters are saying, and I think it`s troubling.

O`DONNELL: All right, we`re going to have to leave it there, take a break,
Charlie Sykes, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really
appreciate it.

Katie, we`re going to need you –

PACKER: Thanks, Lawrence –

O`DONNELL: We`re going to need you – we`re going to need you for another
discussion coming up. Next, we have breaking news from Louisiana, the
Senate debate there is a debate unlike anything you have ever seen on a
political stage.

White supremacist David Duke was on that stage, I can`t repeat the things
he said on that stage, we`ll be right back with some excerpts from that
debate.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVID DUKE, POLITICIAN & FORMER IMPERIAL WIZARD OF THE KU KLUX KLAN: We`re
getting outnumbered and outvoted in our own nation, unless we –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right –

DUKE: Stand up now –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you –

DUKE: Our children –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, sir –

DUKE: Have no future –

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DUKE: I will be Donald Trump`s most loyal advocate to make sure his
nominees go to the Supreme Court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: That was David Duke, white supremacist, former leader of the Ku
Klux Klan in the debate tonight in Louisiana for the Senate race in
Louisiana. We will show you more of that debate next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: Former Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke is running for Senate in
Louisiana with Donald Trump as his running mate.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DUKE: The only man the media hates more than Donald Trump is me. They
hate Trump and me because they oppose the massive immigration that will
destroy America.

We`ve got to protect American jobs and industry. We defend our heritage.
Trump even says we should say Merry Christmas instead of the PC garbage.

The media says he sounds like me, but you know what? We both simply sound
like you. Vote for Trump for president and David Duke for the U.S. Senate
and let`s take America back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: David Duke was on stage for the United States Senate debate
tonight at Dillard University, a historically black university.

David Duke reached the 5 percent polling threshold for being included in
the debate by getting 5.1 percent in the polls.

Debate organizers did not allow students, the general public or
journalists, anyone into that auditorium for the debate.

But protesters gathered outside to protest David Duke`s presence. Here is
what happened when the moderator tried to get David Duke to respond to a
question about taxes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DUKE: Did you not interrupt me –

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open discussion –

DUKE: Me? Give you my time –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not an open discussion, sir –

DUKE: You`re not – look, you`re not one of the debaters here, I`m sorry -
-

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not an open discussion.

DUKE: You`re the moderator –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s the deal –

DUKE: You gave me a chance –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Duke –

DUKE: To rebut and you`re interrupting me –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s what I`d like you to rebut, sir –

DUKE: Let me –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Federal –

DUKE: Rebut –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prosecutors –

DUKE: Let me rebut –

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did –

DUKE: No –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir –

DUKE: See, you`re not a moderator –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Federal prosecutors –

DUKE: You are a typical –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Said that –

DUKE: Media –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, we`re going to move on –

DUKE: Attack, we`re going – yes –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Flemming, go ahead –

DUKE: This is final –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your time –

DUKE: Scream out, you`re going to silence –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes –

DUKE: Me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Again –

DUKE: You`re going to prevent me from answering this question because –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`d like you to –

DUKE: You won`t make the point? –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Answer the question –

DUKE: That`s the problem in this country, the media is deciding who our
candidates are –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s what prosecutors said –

DUKE: No sir, no sir!

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK –

DUKE: No sir –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never mind –

DUKE: You`re a hypocrite –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Flemming, please –

DUKE: No, I got a chance to –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have the floor –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes –

DUKE: I was going to answer that question –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Again –

DUKE: If you gave me the chance –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right –

DUKE: If you gave me the chance –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Flemming has the floor.

DUKE: The truth is that anybody who stands up in this country tells the
truth what`s happening to our country, we`re losing our country.

Anybody who does that is going to be a target of the media just like Donald
Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, we got to move on –

DUKE: Just watch what`s happening to Donald Trump –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s go to Mr. Flemming –

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining us now, David Corn, the Washington Bureau chief for
“Mother Jones” and an Msnbc political analyst.

And Jonathan Capehart, an opinion writer for “The Washington Post” and an
Msnbc contributor. He is also host of a new podcast called “Cape Up”.

Well, Jonathan, it strikes me as no surprise that David Duke is basically
declaring that his running mate is Donald Trump.

JONATHAN CAPEHART, OPINION WRITER, WASHINGTON POST: Right, not at all a
surprise. I mean, what Donald Trump has done is taken the David Duke
message and blown it out of Louisiana and put it not only on the national
stage for people to talk about and consider.

But turned it into the nomination, the Republican nomination for president.
And so David – because David Duke had someone out there, you know,
espousing his beliefs with a national megaphone.

He decided, hey, let me come out of retirement and run for Senate.

O`DONNELL: If you think the Benghazi Committees might have been a little
bit out of control, listen to David Duke tonight talking about Hillary
Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DUKE: Look at Trump and the neo-cons. We have a cabal in this government
that literally controls our foreign policy. Syria is a country with 3
million Christians.

Syria is a secular government, non-Jihadist. It was just admitted by
Clinton that our government has been supporting Saudi Arabia which she
admits was supporting ISIS. The lady should be getting the electric chair
being charged for treason.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: David Corn, I can`t even think of a question.

DAVID CORN, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, MOTHER JONES: Well, you know, what
Donald Trump has done is normalize a little kinder, gentler version of
David Dukism.

Trumpism is very much like Dukism. Look at what he`s done. He gave a
speech recently in which he railed against the conspiracy of international
bankers that used to be code word for Jewish people.

And tonight, throughout the debate, David Duke has railed against Jewish
people.

Donald Trump said we should keep Muslims out of this country. This sort of
arch bigotry in which David Duke and the KKK and all the white supremacists
are all for.

He was – you know, Paul Ryan, the number one Republican – elected
Republican in the land said that Donald Trump was making racist comments
when he called a federal judge a Mexican because his parents came from
Mexico.

So, you have racism, bigotry, and you know, hints of anti-Semitism all in
things that Donald Trump has said during this campaign. So, it`s no wonder
that David Duke said, I see an opportunity here.

O`DONNELL: Yes, Donald Trump`s lock her up, she should be in jail to David
Duke translates to she should be getting the electric chair.

CORN: Well, don`t forget that some of Trump`s number – you know, key
supporters have called for Hillary Clinton to be killed and Barack Obama,
too.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to David Duke talking about Jewish people.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DUKE: I`m not opposed to all Jews. I think there is a lot of great –
affects a lot of Jews of honor.

But let me tell you something, I`m against Jews or anybody else that puts
the interest of some other place and other country over our own country
that is controlling and dominating the media.

Which is teaching black people and inspiring black people to hate white
people and inciting them to violence like the Black Lives –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right –

DUKE: Matter –

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Has expired –

DUKE: That`s my – that`s my issue –

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Jonathan Capehart, that has been his issue for a long time.

CAPEHART: Yes, it`s like the golden oldies with David Duke, back to his
original playlist.

I mean, look, the idea that he got 5.1 percent in a poll that allowed him
to be on that stage, and to espouse so much rage, so much venom, it says a
lot about where the country hopefully isn`t going.

Where the Republican Party seems to be, where its nominee has made it
possible for someone like David Duke, who we all thought had, you know,
gone off, slithered off and taken his hate with him elsewhere.

Figured that it was fine to pop back up. I mean, I watched parts of the
debate, not the entire debate because it`s only so much rage and hate I can
– I can deal with in any one day.

But the idea that this man has a platform and he is standing on the stage
with other people who very well might be infinitely more capable to be a
senator from the great state of Louisiana.

The fact that he is sharing the stage with them is really – I mean, it`s -
- Lawrence, I`m almost at a loss for words here, what this –

O`DONNELL: Well –

CAPEHART: Means for the country –

O`DONNELL: And the Trump campaign has had some real screaming anti-Semites
in its audience and at its –

CAPEHART: Yes –

O`DONNELL: Rallies. Let`s look – let`s look at this guy at a Trump event
yesterday in Miami. A Trump supporter yelling at protesters yesterday and
the press, yelling at the media yesterday.

Let`s listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re an embarrassment to your profession! You`re an
embarrassment to your own profession. You sell out for a few shekels. For
a few shekels, you sell out!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: David Corn, you sell out for a few shekels, that`s a Trump –

CORN: And –

O`DONNELL: Supporter.

CORN: And there was a Trump supporter shouting Jew-SA at the media who
attended a Trump event a couple of days back.

You know, what David – what we see with David Duke here, though, there`s
an extremism within the Republican base itself.

Some polls show a majority view of Republicans believed in the birther
conspiracy which I would call racist notion.

Believed in the Muslim ban he supported which I would call an act of
bigotry. And also, you know, believed that Obama is not a Christian, he is
a Muslim partly because he is black.

And so, there is – there is – you know, the Republican Party has played
footsie with this form of hatred. I think they fueled it, they`ve
encouraged it and Donald Trump certainly is exploiting it if not
encouraging it.

And you know, Duke, while he`s at 5 percent, the fact that these other
notions are majority position within the Republican Party.

And that Donald Trump is close to perhaps being elected president shows
that there is a lot of racism, hatred and bigotry out there that the
Republican Party is using as fuel.

O`DONNELL: David Corn and Jonathan Capehart, thank you both for joining us
tonight, really appreciate it.

CAPEHART: Thank you –

CORN: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: The Trump campaign is hoping that Melania Trump can help with
their campaign to win women voters.

She`s going to give her first campaign speech tomorrow, that`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LOUIS C.K, COMEDIAN: To me it`s really exciting to have the first mother
in the white house. That`s what I think. It`s not about the first woman.
It`s about the first mom.

CONAN O`BRIEN, TV HOST: What it is about a mom?

LOUIS C.K: Because a mother, she`s got it. A mother just does it. She`s
got your – she feeds you and teaches you. She protects you. She takes
care (bleep). A great father can give a kid 40 percent of his needs, top.
Tops out at 40 percent, tops out at 40 percent.

O`BRIEN: Yes, yes.

LOUIS C.K: Any mother is optimistic. Yeah.

O`BRIEN: That`s optimistic.

LOUIS C.K: Any mother (bleep) just a not even trying mother, 200 percent
like she can`t -

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Speaking of mothers, Melania Trump will go to Pennsylvania
tomorrow and deliver her first speech of the campaign. She did deliver a
speech at the Republican convention, but that wasn`t hers. That one was
plagiarized from Michelle Obama apparently by Melania Trump`s speech
writer.

12 whole weeks ago, Donald Trump promised that Melania Trump would have a
press conference about two weeks from then, which would have been ten weeks
ago. A press conference where she would prove that she has always observed
the immigration laws of this country but the Trump campaign decided not to
do that. The Trump campaign continues to refuse to release any of the
documents that could actually prove Melania Trump`s legal immigration
history.

In the final days of this campaign, both the Clinton campaign and the Trump
campaign want voters to think about who Donald Trump really is. Here is
the Trump campaign`s picture of Donald Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The American moment is here. Two choices. Two
Americas. Decided by you. Donald Trump will bring the change we`re
waiting for. America, better, stronger, more prosperous for everyone. A
plan for tomorrow. A future brighter than our past. The choice is yours.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: And here is the Clinton campaign`s picture of Donald Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Putting a wife to work is a very
dangerous thing. When I come home and dinner is not ready, I go through
the roof. Grab them by the (bleep). And when you`re a star, they let you
do it. You can do anything. I`d look her right in that fat ugly face of
hers. She ate like a pig.
A person who is flat chested is very hard to be a 10.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you treat women with respect?

TRUMP: I can`t say that either.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Good.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Karine Jean-Pierre, Senior Advisor and National
Spokesperson for 2016 elections for moveon.org and a former deputy campaign
manager for Martin O`Malley`s 2016 presidential campaign. And back with us
republican strategist Katie Packer. Karine, the Clinton ad there uses
Donald Trump`s words.

KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, SENIOR ADVISOR AND NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON, MOVEON.ORG:
Yes.

O`DONNELL: And Kellyanne Conway has said that is a very, very unfair ad.
And the only words in it are spoken by Donald Trump.

JEAN-PIERRE: I think the best ads that Hillary Clinton has had is when she
uses Donald Trump`s words. Because there is nothing – there is nothing
better than the facts, right? The actual words that Donald Trump has used.
Look, here is the thing.

Women are not stupid, right? They know exactly who Donald Trump is. He is
the guy because of his candidacy, we had to spend the last 18 months
listening to him call us pigs, call us fat, call us slugs – sluts and also
just demean our bodies, saying disgusting things about our body. And the
most important and dangerous and scariest thing is the sexual assault,
right?

The history of sexual assault and him bragging on it, about it on tape so
we know exactly who he is. And, you know, the video that they played for
him saying oh, introducing who the real Donald Trump is. No. That is not
– that is not who he has shown himself to be.

When we look at the tapes, when we hear the Howard Stern radio tapings, and
also we have to remember the producers of The Apprentice have said
themselves have, been on record there is actually worse things that he has
said that MGM has not released.

O`DONNELL: Katie, the Trump ad is apparently their ad reaching out to
women. And their definition that of that is there`s nothing in the content
of it. It just shows a woman voting for Donald Trump?

PACKER: You know, they have been very, very tone deaf about what it is
that women are concerned about in this election. And have really missed
the point that women buying large have sort of made up their mind about
Trump about who he is. When I hear those words out of Donald Trump`s
mouth, I imagine my 17-year-old niece hearing that.

My 11-year-old niece hearing that, my 20 and 21-year-old nieces hearing
that and the way that it forms how they view themselves when they hear
somebody like that, that`s so influential, that is so demeaning and
degrading to women. And we see him being elevated by the Republican Party.
It`s not just an affront to women of America, but it`s an affront to many,
many republican women like myself who look, you know, on either side of us
at republican voters and say how did this happen?

How did we get here that we`re elevating a man of such low character to be
our representative and our nominee for the highest office in the land?

O`DONNELL: And how did it come to it that the current president of the
United States finds himself having to talk about this on the campaign
trail. Let`s listen to President Obama out there today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: Do you want somebody to be your
voice who on tape brags about how being famous allows him to get away with
sexual assault?

CROWD: No.

OBAMA: Who calls women pigs or dogs or slobs?

CROWD: No.

OBAMA: And grades them on a scale of 1 to 10.

CROWD: No.

OBAMA: If you disrespect women before you are elected president, you will
disrespect women when you`re in office.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Can we just pause for a minute, Karine? That`s the president
of the United States actually quoting a nominated candidate for president.

JEAN-PIERRE: Yeah, it goes to what Katie was saying, its like how did we
get here, right? And we got here because, you know, he managed to really
tap into something the last 18 months and get rid of his last 16 opponents.
It`s really, really scary. I think, you know, people have been talking
about Hillary Clinton like basically closing argument, how she is trying to
talk about the character and how Donald Trump is unfit.

I think she needs to do that as voters are voting right now, not on
November 8th. A lot of voters will vote on November 8th. The people are
voting right now. She needs to remind people who Donald Trump is and that
he is unfit, unqualified to be president.

O`DONNELL: Karine Jean-Pierre and Katie Packer, thank you both for joining
us tonight. I really appreciate it.

PACKER: Thank you.

JEAN-PIERRE: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, new polls and new early voting information from a
key swing state where most of the votes will be cast before Election Day.
That`s in tonight`s war room. And later, Russia isn`t the only country
where the Trump family has complicated business interests unlike anything
any president has ever had. That`s coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: President Obama won Nevada in both of the last two presidential
elections, and we have new numbers tonight about the early vote in Nevada
and a new poll there. But first, here is how it looked today on the
campaign trail.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLAR CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This, my friends, is not a
normal election.

TRUMP: The system is rigged. Remember that.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: In not so subtle ways, Donald Trump is
doing everything he can to intimidate people and tell them not to come out
and vote. Don`t let Trump and his friends intimidate you.

TRUMP: Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt person ever to seek the
presidency. And if she were to be elected, it would create an
unprecedented constitutional crisis.

CLINTON: Nothing will change if he is elected because we know who he is.

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Get up at 3:30 in the
morning and Tweet vitriol about a woman`s body, about her weight? This is
one sick puppy.

TRUMP: She has become totally unhinged. What she is saying and what she
is doing, actually it`s unbelievable.

BILL CLINTON, FMR UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: He is saying you got to vote
for me because I hate all the same people you do. That`s about it, isn`t
it?

TRUMP: Can you imagine, they gave the questions to Donald Trump before a
debate. You know, it would be the electric chair. They would reinstitute
the electric chair.

OBAMA: He says he`ll be his own foreign policy adviser. He says he can do
that because he as a good brain. Now that is contestable.

BIDEN: Trump neither understands nor do I think gives a damn.

GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The American people
are getting tired of the fast and loose ethics of the Clintons. And it
sounds like the Department of Justice is starting to feel that way too.

TRUMP: She shouldn`t be allowed to run.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Hillary Clinton has spent her
whole life standing up to bullies like Donald Trump. She has been on the
receiving end of one attack after another for 25 years now. And I`ll tell
you, she ain`t backing down. She doesn`t – she doesn`t whimper.

She doesn`t whine. She doesn`t go to twitter at 3:00 in the morning to call
people fat or loser. No, no. No, Hillary just remembers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: That was Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren moments ago
campaigning for Hillary Clinton in Reno, Nevada battleground. Nevada is
tonight`s campaign war room. The Clinton campaign is hoping early voting
will mean a win in Nevada. Early voting has been underway there for 11
days.

Nearly half of the state`s voters have already cast their ballots. And 2/3
are expected to vote in Nevada before election day. With five days left
for the presidential campaign war room joining us tonight on the Last Word
war room, Jon Ralston, host of Ralston live on PBS Nevada and a
contributing editor to Politico magazine and MSNBC contributor. Jon, how
does it look in Nevada tonight?

JON RALSTON, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, POLITICO MAGAZINE: Well, the democrats
are doing very well here in early voting and absentee ballots so far,
Lawrence. They have about a 50,000 ballot lead. That`s going in to today
in Clark County, which is a big democratic county. That`s Las Vegas.

They`re building towards what will probably be a 65 or 70,000 vote lead if
the pattern holds. It`s mirroring 2012 very closely. In 2012, Barack
Obama ended up winning the state by seven points. I don`t think Hillary
Clinton is going to quite get there. But if these numbers hold, and there
aren`t some really strange anomalies in the last three days, she`s probably
got a pretty solid lead here, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Speaking of strange, there is a CNN poll out that shows Clark -
- they believe Clark County is going for the Trump by one point. They have
it at 46-45. And they have the state of Nevada going for Trump by about
six points. But the Clark County thing doesn`t make much sense inside that
poll based on what you just said about that early voting.

RALSTON: Well, if that`s true, then Sean Hannity is going to win a Peabody
award too, Lawrence. There is just no chance that Donald Trump is ahead by
one point in a county that has 142,000 more democrats than republicans.
And I`ll tell you, if by some chance that is true and it goes against every
piece of data, private data that I`ve been privy to, Lawrence then we`re
going to better start calling him president Trump now because something
strange is going on.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to Elizabeth Warren tonight talking about Joe Heck
and Donald Trump. Joe Heck is a republican candidate for senate out there.
And Elizabeth Warren is appearing for Hillary Clinton and for Catherine
Cortez Masto who`s the democratic senate candidate out there. Let`s listen
to Elizabeth Warren.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WARREN: I have had it. I have had it with the Donald Trumps and Joe Hecks
of the world. Donald Trump is now the leader of the Republican Party. No,
they got to own that one, baby. There is none of this, I`m with him, I`m
not, I`m with him, I`m not. No. They got to own this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: How does the senate race look Jon?

RALSTON: This is a real toss-up race, Lawrence. It has been for a long
time. At CNN poll that you mentioned showed Heck up by a couple of points.
I`ve heard conflicting reports. It`s what`s in the margin of error. I
think both campaigns agree. But again what I understand is in the early
voting with the democrats having a fairly sizable lead in Clark County, I
don`t think Heck is getting much separation from Trump.

His congressional district is around Las Vegas. So they expect him to do
better here. But he has done all kinds of incredible contortions about
Trump in the last few weeks, including just yesterday, weeks after he said
he wanted nothing to do with Trump, he wanted him to step down from the
ticket, he said yesterday in an interview first that he wasn`t sure who was
he was going to vote for and then had to put out a clarifying statement
that clarified nothing.

Now how much is that hurt him with the base`s campaign of course says
marginally. But it doesn`t have to hurt him that much in that race for him
to lose. So I think that race is going to be very, very close. But if the
democrats do well in early voting in the last three days, Lawrence, as you
pointed out, most of the votes are going to be cast before Election Day.

I think it means Joe Heck is going to have to have a very big November 8 to
pull that out.

O`DONNELL: Jon, what about voter turnout operations on Election Day?
Which party has the advantage there?

RALSTON: Well, you know, it`s interesting. Because the democrats always
do well in early voting for all the obvious reasons, especially here with
the culinary union being able, the bus workers. And they have a lot more
on the ground during early voting. They expect to lose Election Day. The
question is by how much.

Now the Trump organization here, trump organization is an oxymoron. There
is nothing here. They don`t have anything on the ground. The RNC has
brought in a bunch of people. And there is some stuff that has grown up
organically out of some local republican groups.

But compared to the machine that Harry Reid has built here since 2004,
there is no comparison, Lawrence. So the democrats actually surprised
themselves and won Election Day in 2012. If they do that this year, it`s
big trouble up and down the ticket for the republicans.

O`DONNELL: Jon Ralston, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
Really appreciate it.

RALSTON: Yes. Absolutely.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, Wall Street Journal reporting that the Trump family
has business dealings in more foreign countries than just Russia.
Countries that are in very difficult – some of them have difficult
relationships with the United States.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PAULA FARIS, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: Can you unequivocally say that Donald
Trump has never done business with Russia, has never taken money from them
and never will?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: That`s what he has told me. And
by the way the New York times buried on age 21 – buried on age 21, they
buried this story that the FBI investigation in (INAUDIBLE).

JOY BEHAR, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: The audience is laughing because we haven`t
seen his tax returns then we would know something.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Today the Wall Street Journal is reporting Trump`s foreign
business entanglements would create unparalleled conflicts. The story
details four overseas business investments based on Trump`s federal
disclosure reports. According to those reports, Donald Trump has received
one to $5 million from a company in Turkey with ties to Prime Minister
Erdogan.

Two to $10 million from a company in Indonesia with ties to former dictator
Suharto and one to $5 million from a company in India founded by a
politician and Donald Trump has received $2.5 million from a company in
Azerbaijan linked to the transportation minister. Joining us now is
Alexandra Berzon., Pulitzer Prize winning reporter in Los Angeles bureau of
the Wall Street Journal who delivered that story.

Alexandra, what would you say are some of the more peculiar aspects of the
possible conflicts of interest? I was particularly struck by your report
on the complexities the Trump family and Donald Trump might have in dealing
with Turkey.

ALEXANDRA BERZON, THE WALL STREET JOURNAL: Yes, Turkey is one place where
you have a company group which has a lot of complicated relationships with
the current government, is a major media company in Turkey. And you also
have just a lot of potential future relationships that these children of
Trump who are going to run the business are pursuing all over the world, as
they have been for quite a while now.

And that presents a potential for conflict of interest of just – or
conflicts in general that really is unprecedented for a president,
according to many of the experts that I spoke to for this story.

O`DONNELL: And in the case of Turkey, the current regime believes that
there is a cleric currently living in the United States who they would like
sent back to Turkey, extradited, although he is not charged from any crime
here that they could do. But that`s the kind of thing where it`s hard to
imagine Donald Trump in the oval office hearing this request from Turkey
about send us this man and dealing with it when he has business interests
there.

BERZON: Yes. I mean, I think the issue is he is going to be taking
revenue according to his filings, and there is no reason to believe the
business will necessarily change, he is taking revenue from people all over
the world oftentimes they`re branding arrangements where they – and also
hotel management deals. And it`s millions of dollars that are coming from
people all over the world who have their own political interests in their
own countries that are also overlapped with U.S. interests and issues in
many cases potentially.

The Trump – it`s important to say that I spoke with Trump`s – an attorney
for Trump who says oh, it`s going to be, you know, very much a separation.
But when he has his children running the companies that is something that
we haven`t seen before generally presidents do put their interests in a
blind trust, which in this case he has used the words blind trust but a
blind trust would not include under a federal definition for it. It would
not include being run by the children.

O`DONNELL: Alexandra Berzon, great reporting on the Wall Street Journal,
everybody should take a look at it. Thank you very much for joining us
tonight. Really appreciate it.

BERZON: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: MSNBC`s live coverage continues in to “THE 11TH HOUR” now with
Brian Williams, that`s next.


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