Politics Nation With Al Sharpton, Transcript, 6/5/2016

Guests:
Linda Sanchez; Khalil Jibron Mohamed; Danny Glover; Evander Holyfield; Jerry Brewer
Transcript:

Show: POLITICS NATION
Date: June 5, 2016
Guest: Linda Sanchez; Khalil Jibron Mohamed; Danny Glover; Evander
Holyfield; Jerry Brewer

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REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Good morning. I`m Al Sharpton.

It will be a week for remembering Muhammad Ali. The greatest of all time.
In the next two or three days, Ali`s body will be moved from Arizona to his
hometown in Louisville, Kentucky, where he will be buried. Family members
will hold a private ceremony on Tuesday. Then on Friday, a funeral
procession and a public memorial. Among those eulogizing Ali, former
president Bill Clinton.

And we`re learning more about Ali`s final hour. The cause of his death was
septic shock after five days in the hospital. Messages of sorrow continue
to pour out. President Obama tweeted this photo, showing himself under a
photo of Ali. On Saturday, he called Ali`s widow Lonnie Williams to
express his condolences.

Let`s start with NBC`s Craig Melvin in Louisville.

Craig, what more are we learning about plans for the coming week?

CRAIG MELVIN, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Reverend Al, we can tell you that
Muhammad Ali`s body will spend a fair amount of time here in Louisville
Thursday and Friday, in addition to that public memorial that is going to
happen two blocks from here at the young center. Going to be open for
anyone. It also streamed online as well, we can tell you. But his body
will make its way down the street that bears his name here in Louisville.
In addition to President Clinton, he will be eulogized by Billy Crystal and
Bryant Gumbel as well, two longtime friends.

And there will also be a gathering here at the Muhammad Ali center. You
can see behind me, the memorial that popped up shortly after news spread of
his death. That memorial continues to grow. But on Friday, folks will
gather here as well.

This is a center that opened back in 2005, by the way. And its primary
mission is to encourage a new generation of Muhammad Alis, if you will, in
advocacy more so than in sport.

Reverend, you mentioned his final minutes. We can tell you his final hours
and days, we can tell you he was surrounded by his family. He was
surrounded by loved ones. One of his daughters, Hana, she posted on
Instagram last night, as she was gathered by her father`s bedside, she said
that all of his organs failed, but his heart wouldn`t stop beating for 30
minutes. No one had even seen anything like it. His nine children were
able to say their good-byes.

I actually spoke to Laila Ali a couple of months ago. I was working on a
separate story in California and asked her about her father and how he was
doing. She told me then that he had been having some difficulties that he
had been having some problems but he was a fighter. And she expected that
he would be around for many, many years to come.

And we went into the hospital last week, Rev. A lot of folks thought this
was just going to be one of those routine visits, but it turns out it was
not. And as you indicated off the top, we lost the greatest.

SHARPTON: No doubt about it. Thank you, Craig Melvin, for your insight
into the life of legacy of the champ in his hometown.

Now to get further insight, let`s talk to a man who was inspired by
Muhammad Ali both the inside and outside of the ring. Joining me by phone
is former heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield.

Thank you, first of all, for taking time this morning, Evander.

EVANDER HOLYFIELD, FORMER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION (on the phone): Thank you.

SHARPTON: You had a day of so to let the news sink in. What are your
thoughts this morning about Muhammad Ali?

HOLYFIELD: Well, you know, I have always thought to always great about Ali
because at the time when they had black history, you know, that`s how I got
to know who Ali was. You know, I pretty much looked at Ali and Jackie
Robinson. And I think when I was eight years old, I was told I could be
like Ali. And I told my dad and my mom. My mom, she said, what? She knew
how great Ali was. And I told the man, but I`m only eight years old. He
told me I wouldn`t always be eight. She said, right, because next week I`m
going to be nine. It is all in what you believe. And, you know, I made
the Olympic team. I was light heavy like Ali. And pretty much Chris
Hinkle at the time told me (INAUDIBLE) to be like Ali, (INAUDIBLE).
SHARPTON: Let me ask you there, right on that point, Evander, Ali had a
unique style in the ring. What made him special as you grew up being like
Ali as you put it, what made him special, his style in the ring?

HOLYFIELD: Well, I mean, his face was the key. Here is a man who would
sets up and back it up. And so, you know, so that means he knew his craft.
He was a hard worker and he is a person that even though he was comical
about the things that he did, but he did them. And you now, with me, I
know my mama told me, you hold that tongue. And I was able to hold my
tongue. But you know, I just think about how much – how much – how much
pressure you put on yourself by what you say.

SHARPTON: Yes.

HOLYFIELD: And then you have to back it up. And so that was awesome.

SHARPTON: Now, you mentioned you won an Olympic medal like Ali did. What
were your thoughts after hearing he would light the torch in the 1996
Olympics.

HOLYFIELD: Well, actually, I didn`t know because in 1996 I was hoping to
light the torch. Because I was – I wasn`t looking at Ali. I was looking
at in the state of Georgia, who is the most popular person in the state of
Georgia? Who was the first world champion? I was. And when the gal
Harvey Schiller was telling me that you have good news and bad news. I
said what is the good news? And the good news, you going to carry the
torch. The bad news that you`re not going to light it. But I said, who is
it? He said I can`t tell you. I cannot tell you. But you know, that, you
know with me, I said I better be thankful. Because at the last second, I
didn`t think I was going to touch it and I got the opportunity to. But it
thrilled my heart so much when I saw, and the only time I realized is when
he got to the end. (INAUDIBLE) It was Ali.

SHARPTON: I know – you didn`t mind getting bumped for the champ and you
did carry the torch there.

Evander Holyfield, former heavyweight champion, thank you for your time
this morning.

Now let`s bring in Washington Post columnist Jerry Brewer. The headline on
his latest column, Muhammad Ali is gone, but his voice still can be heard.
Thanks for joining me this morning.

JERRY BREWER, COLUMNIST, WASHINGTON POST: Thank you, Reverend Al.

SHARPTON: Why do you think we`ll never see another star like Muhammad Ali?

BREWER: Well, I don`t know if you can combine the athletic skill with how
pretty he was, how charismatic he was, how much audacity he had, and then
you add the civil rights component and the political activism. Today`s
athlete is simply too little thrilled, too – they have it too easy in
order to be like a Muhammad Ali. Maybe if times changed, we might see
athletes who are willing to step up, but right now they`re just too
privileged.

SHARPTON: Now, we once again are seeing some athletes from time to time.
I know in my activism, some will still do something political. Is that
part of Ali`s legacy?

BREWER: That absolutely is part of Ali`s legacy. And it is the most
important part. I think when you say the greatest, and the greatest of all
time, you can argue that he wasn`t the greatest boxer of all time. He
certainly would be in everyone`s top three to five, but some people might
prefer Sugar Ray Robinson, some may prefer Joe Louis or someone else. But
when you add everything that comes to being a sports figure, and being an
icon, unquestionably no one can touch Muhammad Ali.

SHARPTON: You write about Ali`s charisma and his ability to command
attention even in his later years. What struck you about that?

BREWER: You know, what is really interesting to me, Reverend Al is, you
know, I`m someone who is born in `78. I saw – I was alive for his last
four fights, three of which he lost because he held on to boxing too long.
I have to go back and watch old videos and old footage to see what kind of
athlete he was and to see the interviews with Howard Cosell and others to
really understand the charisma.

You know, for me and people in my generation, our first real experience
with Ali will always be when he lit the Olympic torch in `96 in Atlanta.
And to see the tears in people`s eyes, to see the tears in my parent`s eyes
and then to understand, you know, I was 18 at the time, and I thought I
knew Muhammad Ali. And then I said, you know, I need to go back and really
need to understand exactly who he is, and to understand why that provoked
people to tears. And I think that is where, you know, there is this divide
between – there is this bold guy who came on to the scene in his 20s. And
then he had his opportunities to really express his views on the world.
And then came the guy later in life, you know, as Parkinson`s took over, as
he lost his voice, as people really started to understand and digest all
that he had done, and his iconic status, just like it multiplied from year
to year to year.

SHARPTON: Jerry Brewer, thank you for your time and sharing with us this
morning.

BREWER: Anytime.

SHARPTON: Ahead, we turn to a 2016 politics and a big day in the
Democratic primary with voting in Puerto Rico. I`ll talk to Sanders
supporter actor Danny Glover.

And later, more on Muhammad Ali and his lasting impact as an activist.
Stay with us.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People look for miracles, people look for surprises of
all kind, yet the greatest wonder, the greatest miracle, the greatest
surprise is to be found in one`s heart.

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SHARPTON: Voters in Puerto Rico head to the polls today. And there are 60
delegates up for grabs could push Clinton to the brink of clinching the
Democratic nomination. Even before the last big day of voting on Tuesday.
The major question this morning, will it end the primary battle paving the
way for the fight against Donald Trump or will in voting in six states
including the big one California fuel Sanders campaign? Last night, he
insisted the fight is going all the way to Philadelphia.

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: At the end of the
nominating process, no candidate will have enough pledged delegates to call
the campaign a victory. They will be dependent upon super delegates. In
other words, the democratic national convention will be a contested
convention.

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SHARPTON: MSNBC`s Tony Dokoupil is live in San Juan, Puerto Rico, where
those delegates are up for grabs today.

Tony, what do voters there want to see happen with the Democratic ticket?

TONY DOKOUPIL, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Reverend Al. So voters
in Puerto Rico cannot vote for president directly there, excluded from the
November election, but they can shape the outcome in the primary stage.
They voted for Marco Rubio on the Republican side back in March. And today
it is that crucial choice between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

Voters are ling up behind us. The polls open about ten minutes ago. Just
before the polls open, we had election workers come in and verify that all
the voting machines were working, completely in sync and there were no
irregularities, but the Bernie Sanders camp is upset with the process here
today because they noted a steep decline in the number of polling
locations.

So back in 2008, when it was Obama v. Clinton, there were more than 2,000
locations for people to cast their vote. As of May, just last month, there
were 1500 available, but then they slashed that down to about 430. That`s
all about budgetary cuts, but the Sanders people say this is a lot like
Arizona where there was a reduction. This is voter suppression. It is
going to alter the outcome.

Talking to voters here, it doesn`t seem that is actually true. Hillary
Clinton has very strong support among the Puerto Rican people. She
dominated in New York. She dominated in Florida. These are American
states with the highest number of Puerto Ricans. And her policies are also
attractive not a Clinton supporter there, but overall, her policies are
attractive to a majority of Puerto Ricans.

It would appear, I mean, there could be an upside to that. But for example
on the debt question, this is the key policy issue on the island now, the
American Congress is debating whether to release to aide Puerto Rico and
relieving its debt obligation. Hillary Clinton supports that effort.
Bernie Sanders have complicated reasons having to do with his own
opposition to big banks and Federal Reserve does not support that bailout
that rescue. And the details can get lost. As a result, the people here
casting their ballot, they like Clinton because, hey, she`s the one that is
going to save Puerto Rico. Back to you.

SHARPTON: Tony Dokoupil in San Juan, thank you so much this morning.

Throughout the campaign, one of Sanders most high profile supporters has
been actor and activist Danny Glover.

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DANNY GLOVER, ACTOR: Wherever we look at the history for Bernie Sanders,
we know he`s been on the compass for justice.

SANDERS: Let me give a special thanks to a good friend of mine and within
of the great actors in our country, Danny Glover.

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SHARPTON: Joining me now is Danny Glover.

Thank you for being here this morning, Danny.

GLOVER: All right then. Thank you.

SHARPTON: You know, first, let`s ask the obvious question, why does
Sanders get your support instead of Clinton?

GLOVER: Well, first of all, Bernie Sanders has been on the right side of
justice and the fight for justice his entire career. I`ve had the
opportunity to watch him engage people, and talk about the issues that
affect them in everyday lives. And certainly his message is really a
message that is time worn in terms of democracy, the most ordinary people
participating in their lives and using their lives as a platform to
participate in politics as well. And I think that`s what`s happening here.
We`re in the midst of an enormous transition, I believe, within the
political system. A stagnant political system that only meets the needs of
a few and now we have this extraordinary movement or challenge to that
right now. And that`s what that Bernie Sanders represents. He represents
the message, not the personality.

SHARPTON: Now, Sanders wins California, let`s say, on Tuesday. Clinton
could get enough combined delegates to secure the nomination anyway.
Should Sanders go on, should he go all the way to the convention or should
he try to unite and stop Donald Trump, Danny?

GLOVER: I think it is important. There is 64 percent of those people
polled under the age of 25 say Sanders should stay until the end. So it is
the people`s voices here right now, it is obvious. Those who registered as
Democrats say that he should stay until the end and take this all the way
to the convention.

SHARPTON: But he has gotten – we talk about the people`s say, he`s gotten
three million less votes. Let me ask you this, if she wins the nomination,
whether he goes all the way or not, and it is Hillary Clinton against
Donald Trump, will you support and vote for Hillary Clinton?

GLOVER: Absolutely. Absolutely. Our objective is to defeat Donald Trump.
But we believe the best chance of defeating Donald Trump is Bernie Sanders.

SHARPTON: Now, what do you say to those that say Sanders is hurting
Hillary Clinton?

GLOVER: As Bernie Sanders popularity grows, it certainly draws a challenge
to what is really happening and what are the real issues in this election.
I think the part that Bernie Sanders plays in this, let`s say it, is simply
the message that he brings to the population. And maybe that expectations
of what we think governance should be and what our responsibility as those
who are governed changes in this process as well.

SHARPTON: Let me ask you something that was interesting to me. Why hasn`t
Bernie Sanders resonated equally with African-American and Latino voters
including young voters? Because “the Washington Post,” look at this graph,
Danny, “the Washington Post” did accumulation of voters. These are votes,
not polls. When you look at the millennials, Clinton gets 47 percent,
Sanders, 52 percent. He`s only five percent higher than the millennials
and then the young voters, 30 to 44, she gets 70 percent. He only gets 29.
And as you get older, it even gets worse. Even among young black voters
he`s not resonating like other young voters. What do you think the reason
is for that?

GLOVER: Well, one of the things that certainly - I mean, Sanders has been
in the race for a very short period of time. In fact, most people would
say they should have gotten into the race earlier. But I think part of
that is with familiarity. I think once you begin to hear the message that
Bernie brings to the table, the talk about participatory democracy and the
way he talks about participatory democracy, I think that we have another
kind of way of building a consensus that this is more than just an election
itself. This is for the soul of this country.

SHARPTON: How do you view Donald Trump? What goes through your mind when
you watch Donald Trump?

GLOVER: Donald Trump is a very dangerous person. I mean, for this
country. I mean, he`s very dangerous. And make no mistake about his
demagoguery, racial demagoguery, his attitude toward women, and the things
he would do. We have a Supreme Court, maybe as many as three justices will
be chosen on this Supreme Court. So I think that Donald Trump is certainly
someone that is very dangerous. I think that as I said before, the
candidate I believe that has the best chance to defeat Donald Trump and the
polls show that as well is Bernie Sanders.

SHARPTON: Well, thank you for being with us this morning. Danny Glover,
thank you for your time.

GLOVER: Thank you. You`re welcome.

SHARPTON: Coming back, we will turn to Muhammad Ali, focusing on his
impact outside of the ring on culture and politics including his anti-war
activism. Stay with us.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very few athletes are known as the greatest in their
sport or in their time. But when you say the greatest of all time is in
the room, everyone knows who you mean. It is quite a claim to make. But
as Muhammad Ali once said, it is not bragging if you can back it up. And
this man backed it up.

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SHARPTON: The champ honored at the White House in 2005. But 40 years
earlier, the United States government was trying to put him in prison. In
1967, Muhammad Ali refused to be drafted to fight in the Vietnam War
claiming status as a conscientious objector. He was stripped of his title,
arrested and sentenced to five years in prison. A sentence later
overturned. He became a symbol for the anti-war movement, famously saying
quote “I got no quarrel with the Vietcong.”

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There aren`t very many that protested the draft
(INAUDIBLE). Did you think you`re setting an example that perhaps some of
them –?

MUHAMMAD ALI, FORMER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION: I`m not out to set no example
for nobody to follow. I`m a Muslim. I`m with 600 more million who believe
the same as me. I`m just sticking to my religious beliefs and the holy
Koran which was there before – long before I was thought about coming into
this world. I`m just following my religious beliefs. I`m not advising
them or telling them nothing to do. I`m just following my religious
beliefs to the death, if I day right now. Whatever happens will be the
will of Allah. Many parts of the world, people are protesting. But still,
I mean, I don`t rely on that. I rely totally on Allah, the lord of the
world.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just how far would you go to keep from taking up arms?

ALI: I`ll die. Yes. Anything that is against my religious beliefs I
would rather face machine gunfire before deviating from the teachings of
almighty God and the religion of Islam, I will die.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, in this situation you wouldn`t die, you would go
to jail.

ALI: No, I`m not saying where I would go. I`m just letting you know I`m
going to stick 1,000 percent to my religious beliefs even if it means die.

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SHARPTON: Joining me now is Khalil Jibron Mohamed, director of Schaumburg
Center for research in black culture. He also happens to be the great
grandson from Elijah Muhammad from the nation of Islam, a key part of the
champ`s activism in the `60. Thanks for being here, Dr. Mohamed.

KHALIL JIBRON MOHAMED, DIRECTOR, SCHAUMBURG CENTER FOR RESEARCH IN BLACK
CULTURE: Thank you for having me.

SHARPTON: What impact did Ali`s anti-war stand have on that time? At that
time?

MOHAMED: It was absolutely critical to the formation of people`s hard felt
beliefs that the nation had made a huge mistake. That it was in the wrong
fight. And those young people, all of them at these campuses – white,
black, Asian on the east coast and west coast, were fundamentally committed
to challenging the wisdom of that war. It was certainly the reason that
Lyndon Baines Johnson did not seek a second term as president of the United
States.

It also unleashed fundamentally a series of really cataclysmic changes on
college campuses. When you really think about 1967 when he was giving
those remarks to John Lewis, he was talking about his religious beliefs,
but he was also saying that the real enemy of my people is here in America.
And if this is fight to free 22 million of my people, then that`s a fight
you don`t have to draft me for.

SHARPTON: I think people don`t realize how controversial and despised he
was at that time. I was a kid growing up, I got to know and work with him
later as I got in my teens, but I was a kid, wasn`t even a teenager when he
took that stand. And I remember how people would literally say that the
ugliest things, people would pay to go to his fights and want to see him
beaten and now he has become this beloved figure. How do you interpret
what happened. Just before his time.

MOHAMED: He was before his time, but also part of a generational cohort.
If you think about the age of Muhammad Ali, died at 74 years old, born in
1942, he is two years younger than John Lewis. John Lewis at almost the
same moment that Muhammad Ali is rising up the race of an amateur boxer is
shedding his ties to troy Alabama, moving to Nashville, Tennessee, so he
can become a freedom rider and join the movement. So for young men and
women, like Diane Nash of that generation, they really were breaking away
from the generational practices of the old attitudes. And so, when he
talked about Liston or you talked about Terrell as uncle Toms, what he was
talking about were black people who settled to the status quo.

SHARPTON: Yes. And he was part of that generation that was going another
way, in various manifestations.

You mentioned Liston, I want to show you something where right after the
Sonny Liston fight where he first was – first time he won the title,
talked about how pretty he was. Watch this.

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ALI: He wanted to go to heaven, so I took him in seven. You took him in
seven. I`m the king of the world. I`m pretty.

Hold it, hold it, hold it. You`re not that pretty.

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SHARPTON: Now, this was also at a time where we were seeing the developing
of the black is beautiful movement.

MOHAMED: Absolutely. It is a great clip for that because he comes out of
the Garvey movement which was an expression of self-pride and expression of
self-knowledge, a commitment to black people as whole human beings. And
this was picked up in the nation of Islam and advance by Elijah Mohammed
and Malcolm X, my great grandfather. So when he becomes a member of the
nation in 1964, right on the heels of the Liston fight and becomes a very
close friend and confidant of Malcolm X, he is part of that flowering
blackness on a stage that here to fore had not really transcended from the
black community. As an athlete activist, he put it on a national and
international stage.

Dr. Khalil Jibron Mohammed, thank you for your time this morning and your
insight.

MOHAMED: Thank you for having me.

SHARPTON: Just ahead, we`ll dive back into 2016 politics specifically the
increasingly nasty war of words between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

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SHARPTON: Hillary Clinton is fighting a two front battle as primary season
comes to a close. Still dealing with Bernie Sanders, but also unloading a
much tougher series of attacks on Donald Trump.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Bragging, mocking, composing
nasty tweets, a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds and outright lies.
Do we want his finger anywhere near the button? He is not just unprepared,
he is temperamentally unfit. This is not someone who should ever have the
nuclear codes. This isn`t reality television. This is actual reality.

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SHARPTON: NBC`s Hallie Jackson joins us from Washington this morning.

Hallie, is this a preview of the next five months and how is Trump
responding to this?

HALLIE JACKSON, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, yes, it is absolutely a
preview of the next five months. I think you can say that even though
Hillary Clinton is not yet the presumptive Democratic nominee, she is just
the likely nominee, this is what we will see through November. You have
seen it from Clinton more and more in the last week or so. She appears to
be relishing the opportunity to go after Trump, Donald Trump in a very
direct and very engaged way. You saw it earlier this week at the speech in
San Diego, a sensibly foreign policy speech, but she really hit him hard on
his qualifications to be commander in-chief.

Trump, for his part, is taking it to Hillary Clinton. He is talking about
her email scandals, this week. He said she was quote “guilty as hell”. He
reiterated that. He reiterated his vow to have his attorney general
investigate her again if he were to become the president.

So this is where the race is headed. We already have seen it. And there
is no sign at this point that that`s going to change.

SHARPTON: If she clinches this, how does this affect the fight?

JACKSON: I don`t know that it will, frankly. I think that Donald Trump
sees Hillary Clinton as his most likely opponent, obviously. What you see
from him on the campaign trail are discussions about Bernie Sanders in the
sense of, hey, Bernie Sanders is giving him some good lines. That is, by
the way, a concern for the Democrats as well, the longer Sanders stays in
this race, the more opportunities he gives Donald Trump to be able to point
to Sanders during his campaigning. But I think that even if she clinches,
you know what you already have seen from Donald Trump and his campaign,
privately and publicly, saying, hey, we have gotten the nomination, Donald
Trump`s team says they have gotten the nomination prior to Hillary Clinton
clinching hers and before the contest in California on Tuesday. So if she
does lock it up Tuesday, I`m not sure you`re going to see much of a change
in tone from either candidate.

SHARPTON: Hallie Jackson in Washington, thank you so much this one.

Joining me now is Congresswoman Linda Sanchez, Democrat from California,
who also chairs the Hispanic caucus. She has endorsed Mrs. Clinton.

Thank you for being here, congresswoman.

REP. LINDA SANCHEZ (D), CALIFORNIA: Thank you for having me.

SHARPTON: So Congresswoman, it is neck and neck in California. How
critical is it that Clinton wins this state of California on Tuesday?

SANCHEZ: Well, I think Hillary Clinton will win the state of California on
Tuesday and I think she`ll do it by a comfortable margin. Not sure I agree
that the polls that is out there is accurate. The sense I get from
traveling all over the state and campaigning with other candidates is that
there is a lot of support for Hillary Clinton and I think on Tuesday she
clinches the nomination.

SHARPTON: Now, you know, there has been a lot of talk about super
delegates. You`re a super delegate. The Sanders campaign and senator
Sanders himself has said they`re going after the super delegates to change
their minds, those that have said they`re with Secretary Clinton. Do you
see that happening?

SANCHEZ: The important thing to remember is that even if you look at the
current, you know, current lead that Secretary Clinton enjoys over Sanders,
mathematically it is nearly impossible for senator Sanders to catch her.
And that`s whether you include super delegates or not in the calculus. I
think under any scenario, she is going to clinch the nomination on Tuesday
and she`s going to be the democratic nominee.

SHARPTON: Now, you talked about polls. NBC News polls has the Latino vote
in your state almost tied, 49 to 46 with senator Sanders up three points
within the margin of error. Does that surprise you?

SANCHEZ: That polling surprises me because speaking for the district that
I represent, the support is pretty overwhelming for Senator Clinton. And I
know that senator Sanders tends to have an appeal with younger voters, the
question becomes who are the likely voters and who is going to turn out on
Tuesday. And I think if you look historically, the group of people least
likely to vote unfortunately are 18 to 25-year-olds. And so while he may
enjoy support among the group, whether or not they turn out and physically
cast a vote for him remains to be seen.

SHARPTON: This week, Secretary Clinton launched some of her harshest
attacks on Donald Trump, really went after him in her foreign policy
speech. Does she have to find the balance of how she does that so that she
doesn`t risk - been seeming to go to his level as some would say, or should
she fight fire with fire as I and others said she has to be ready for a
street fight here?

SANCHEZ: I got to tell you that Secretary Clinton is feisty. And when
she`s in the right, I think she absolutely has every right to defend her
ground and to level the kind of criticism against somebody who is clearly
unqualified to be president of the United States. Donald Trump has no, you
know, foreign relations experience. He has no diplomatic experience. He
has no national security experience. He is clearly not qualified to hold
the office of president of the United States. And I think that the more
that secretary Clinton highlights that, I think the more that American
public is going to understand there is no way this man should be sitting in
the White House.

SHARPTON: Congresswoman Linda Sanchez, thank you for your time this
morning.

SANCHEZ: What a pleasure to be with you. Thank you.

SHARPTON: Coming up, our visit to Brooklyn, talking to Spike Lee and
others about Muhammad Ali. And what the Boxer meant to his fans, both in
and out of the ring.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I like to know what you`re going to do when you retire
from box in boxing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think – I think he`s probably taking the last count
for the moment. I`ll do my best to wake him up.

ALI: Sleep. That`s all I`m going to do.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALI: If we study the qualities of the heart, we`ll find that the heart
quality is a loving quality. It becomes the loving manner, the manner of
God himself, and all such attributes of greatness, tolerance, gentleness,
mercy, compassion, spring from the heart.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Muhammad Ali was always beloved in the community. We decided to
do something a little different from what you`ve been seeing in all the
news reports of his death.

On Saturday, Spike Lee was having a block party in Brooklyn, originally set
up as a birthday tribute to Prince. But, of course, Muhammad Ali was on
the minds of people there as well. We went down there and caught up with
spike and basketball star John Salley and other folks in the street and
talked to them about what the champ meant to them.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SHARPTON: What does it mean to you to come back to the streets of Brooklyn
where both –?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Had no idea that we`re doing this day for prince, that
there would also be room for Muhammad Ali, the greatest of all time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ledge end, definitely an iconic figure for the
community, for African-American people, for the sport of boxing.

JOHN SALLEY, FORMER BASKETBALL TEAM: Muhammad Ali was definitely my hero,
besides my father. I got to meet my hero and he heard all the things I
said over the year and grabbed me close and kissed me on my cheek and I
literally cried on television.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A great loss.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was the greatest. North, east, south and west,
he`s the greatest. I`m going to miss him. God bless his soul. I`m going
to miss Muhammad Ali. He came a long way for his people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is how we do it in Brooklyn, right here to the
camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to make you big. Go ahead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We said, I`m not going to go to Vietnam War. No
Vietnam person ever call me – that was powerful to me. The man
exemplified courage. He gave away his prime years, his prime years because
he did not want to participate in the Vietnam War.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whatever his beliefs were, he stood up for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My favorite plays are the ones who are loud. Muhammad
Ali was the first athlete we saw on television do that. Talk about his
looks, talk about how beautiful black people are, how it`s natural.

SHARPTON: The reason I grabbed this brother is because you and I were
little brothers looking at guys like Ali and it made and inspired us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many Brooklyn, New York.

SHARPTON: Back here on the block.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On the block.

SHARPTON: All right. Thank you, Spike.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you. Peace.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SHARPTON: Peace. That was something Muhammad Ali was all about for his
whole life.

When we come back, my parting thoughts on my friend.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Finally, a few words on the passing of my friend, Muhammad Ali.
I knew the champ for four decades. He was one of the funniest people I`ve
ever met. He could goof around like nobody else. And he was always
willing to help out the younger generation. Way back in 1981, Muhammad Ali
and James Brown brought me on to the national TV show, talk show circuit,
to talk about problems facing the youth. I was just in my 20s, but
learning from with two of the greatest.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joining James Brown, Muhammad Ali and myself, and I`m
from New York City is the Reverend Al Sharpton.

I would like to ask you about this young man, how you came to meet him and
what the national youth movement which you represents is all about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE). And the idea is it try to mold them. We
think of anything to think of them as a baby. And what we mold them to be
is what it would be later on.

ALI: They can be educating. They go to school. They learn.

SHARPTON: We`re saying you may not reach the plateau of public prominence
of them, but if you can reach the personal discipline and motivation of
them you can reach a plateau in your life.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Muhammad Ali believed in spreading love and joy all over the
world. But he also directly helped the generation behind him. And I
remember one of our Mass Action board members, (INAUDIBLE) said to me, you
know, cam Newton, the star quarterback is a great fan of Muhammad Ali. He
is a generation behind (INAUDIBLE). He said on his birthday, can you get
his wife Lonnie, to surprise him with a birthday card. And it would mean a
lot to him since Ali is sick, but that his wife, who was – I pay tribute
to her, she really took care of Ali, I called her, she said, sure, we`ll do
it I`d be glad to do it. She gave me the time, I called her, I connected
Cam Newton and surprised him and said happy birthday, it is Reverend Al. I
have Mrs. Muhammad Ali on phone. He says, really? For me? She came on
and Lonnie said happy birthday, but hold on and we heard mumbling. Man,
you almost as pretty as me. Muhammad Ali, even in his illness, just a
couple of years ago, still inspiring people, younger than him, older than
him, all over the world.

That does it for me. Thanks for watching. I`ll see you back here next
Sunday. God bless you and yours. And God bless Muhammad Ali.

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