The Rachel Maddow Show, Transcript 03/12/14

HAYES: Thank you all. That is ALL IN for this evening. The "RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" starts right now. Good evening, Rachel. RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Chris. Thanks, man. And thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. The Chinese State Science and Technology Commission late today posted these images on a Chinese government Web site. They are high resolution photos taken by satellite on March 9th. So taken this past weekend but just posted publicly today. And these images show what appears to be something floating in the South China Sea, roughly here, in terms of the location of where those pictures were taken. Because of the vague proximity of that location to the expected flight plan of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 which disappeared this weekend before these pictures were taken, because of the location, because this is something that has not been seen before, these pictured posted by the Chinese government today have raised hopes that if that picture does show debris related to the plane crash, it might lead people searching for evidence of what happened to the plane, to a potential recovery site. Now I should tell you that the Chinese government has not made any assertions that this picture is of debris that has anything to do with Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. They are drawing no conclusions about whether this has anything to do with the disappearance of the plane. Senior U.S. defense and military officials also tell NBC News tonight that they have no information on this imagery either, in terms of corroborating what it is that we`re looking at here, or the crucial question of whether or not it has anything to do with that missing plane. But this new image, this new image is raising hopes at least that it might turn out to be a lead in terms of finding out where that plane might be, which has to be the first order of business. And then of course the second question, if it is proven to have come down in a way that has put its wreckage in the sea. The second question is of course figuring out what might have brought that plane down. And anybody speculating on these matters is just speculating, nobody knows, and nobody knows if we ever will know. But in terms of understanding the realm of possibility of what might have happened, it is reasonable, I think, to try to understand what has happened in the past, what have been the causes of planes, big commercial jetliners coming down. Sometimes when you get on a plane, even at a big airport, you don`t board through the jet bridge, that slightly bouncy, often really doubty hallway that goes right to the door of the plane. Sometimes even at big airports occasionally even for very big plane you don`t go down the jet bridge and you instead get to walk across the tarmac, right? And walk upstairs from the tarmac on to the plane. I personally always like it when that happens to me. Because it gives you a good view that you otherwise don`t really get to see as a civilian of what these enormous, nearly miraculous machines are like up close at human scale. And on lots of these different planes, these pictures of people boarding a Boeing 737, and here`s a McDonnell Douglas MD-83. I think we`ve also gone on Airbus A320. In lots of these different planes, one of the things that might attract your attention as a layman, as you`re getting on to a plane, are these acute shaped oddly looking, sort of fragile looking small probe things that stick out of the fuselage. You`ve seen these? Right? Sometimes they`d say no step, don`t step here, and they look kind of fragile, right? This is what they look like on a big commercial plane. This is what they look like on a military aircraft. These little things that stick out of the side of the fuselage, they`re called pitot tubes. The basic technology of a pitot tube, spelled P-I-T-O- T, the basic technology of the pitot tube dates back to the 1700s. But it`s basically just an instrument that measures velocity. An instrument that measures speed. Planes can`t measure how fast they`re going by rolling distance, right, in a way that car speedometers do, but it`s important for pilots to be able to know how fast a plane is going. Part of the speed sensing system on modern aircraft are these little tubes, these little fragile looking tubes that stick out of the fuselage. And a malfunction in that speed sensing system is how we lost an Air France flight in 2009, a crash of a big plane that killed 228 people. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS: A commercial jet has disappeared. Search teams are scouring thousands of miles of open Atlantic Ocean for any sign of an Air France jet that was carrying 216 passengers, a crew of 12, including two Americans on a flight last night from Rio to Paris. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Air France 447 left Rio de Janeiro at 6:03 p.m. Eastern Time bound for Paris. Its last radar contact before heading over the ocean was at 9:30. At 10:00 p.m. the plane entered an area of extreme weather. Then at 10:16 the plane transmitted an automated text message to its maintenance base that its electrical and pressurization systems were malfunctioning. That`s the last anyone heard from the plane. (END VIDEO CLIP) MADDOW: Eventually that Air France plane that crashed in 2009, eventually the wreckage of that plane was found. We`ll have more on that for you in a moment. But what they were able to determine ultimately about why that plane went down in 2009 is that one of those pitot tubes which is part of the system that tells the pilot how fast the plane is going, one of those pitot tubes clogged with ice and particularly if a plane encounters extreme weather, that`s not a particularly unusual mechanical problem. But in this case it ended up being catastrophic. Because the crew misunderstood what had happened. When it got iced over that pitot tube told the pilot something about the speed or mechanical condition of that plane that the pilots did not correctly identify as the pitot tube having iced over. Instead they thought something else was going on and they made decisions based on what they believe to be true information that ended up bringing that plane down into the Atlantic. And it wasn`t the first time that happened and it`s not just that kind of plane that it has happened to. That Air France flight that crashed in 2009, that was an Airbus A-320. In 1996, twice it was two different Boeing 757s that crashed, both because of problems with their pitot tubes. These are fragile instruments, these little tubes, that when the planes are on the ground, pitot tubes often get covered up, they get little snoozed on them sort of, to protect them, like from the weather, or if the plane is getting maintenance work or if it`s getting cleaned. One of those crashes in 1996 happened when a maintenance crew had put tape over the pitot tube to cover it up while washing the plane. They apparently forgot to take the tape off of it after the plane wash and that inadvertently covered pitot tube led the pilots to a misunderstanding and ultimately to a plane crash. In the other instance, that same year, the pitot tube was not blocked by a piece of ice or a piece of tape, instead the other one that year was an insect nest covering up the pitot tube, and apparently nobody noticed it. And it being blocked eventually brought that plane down. Speed sensors, the speed sensor systems including those little fragile looking., sharp looking pitot tubes that you can see when you walk up to any commercial jet on the tarmac, that speed sending system is known to have caused at least three commercial airlines to come down. All fatal crashes. Sometimes the blame, though, is something much less gadgety. Something much less fiddly. In 1988 this Aloha Airlines 737 miraculously was landed by its pilots after the fuselage of the plane itself failed. The body of the plane just broke apart. Eight people were injured in that incident. A flight attendant who had not been belted in was ripped out of the plane and was killed. But that flight attendant amazingly was the only fatality. It is amazing that the pilots were able to bring that plane down when you look at the condition of the plane. But in 2009 you`ll remember the miracle on the Hudson. Captain Sully Sullenberger was also able to miraculously land his Airbus A-320 on the Hudson River in New York City. That happened after the plane sucked a number of Canada geese into its engines on its takeoff from New York`s LaGuardia Airport. And the crew knew exactly what happened as soon as it happened and they knew how serious it was. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CAPT. CHESLEY SULLENBERGER, PILOT: This is Cactus 1539, hit birds. We lost thrust in both engines. We`re turning back toward LaGuardia. (END VIDEO CLIP) MADDOW: Turns out they could not get back to LaGuardia. They couldn`t get to any other airport. And so they found this nice open spot with only a little bit of traffic in the form of water taxis on the Hudson River. That was the miracle on the Hudson, but it was a bird strike that brought down that plane. Large commercial airliners have also been brought down by pilots apparently committing suicide while on the job. That`s believed to be the cause of this crash in 1997, it was a Silk Air flight, it crashed in Indonesia. Pilot suicide is also thought to be the cause of the crash of an Egypt Air flight out of JFK Airport in New York in 1999. And both of those incidents it`s contested by various people associated with the pilots, but U.S. investigators believe that members of the crew of those aircraft brought them down on purpose to kill themselves -- as pilots, to kill themselves along with all their passengers. Commercial airlines have also been brought down not by suicide, but murder in the cockpit. In this plane crash in 1987 in California, a Pacific Southwest Airlines flight was brought down when a disgruntled former employee of the airline walked into the cockpit and shot both of the pilots. Forty-three people died in that crash in California including the shooter and the crew that he shot and all of the passengers on board. Planes have also of course been brought down by terrorism like Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988. That plane took off from Frankfurt, Germany. There was a bomb on board. It was packed into a cassette player. It was packed into a suitcase. A fire on board that was not necessarily a bomb, that was just a cargo fire, was blamed for this South African Airways 747 in the Indian Ocean in 1987. A cargo fire was also blamed for the crash of ValuJet Flight 592 in the Everglades back in 1996. In that case it was oxygen canisters that were improperly stored in the cargo hold and they caught fire and that plane came down. Lots of different things can bring down commercial airliners. And it is sometimes hard to believe after a little list like that, but taken in context, air travel is really safe. I mean, compared to the other ways that we travel, considering the huge number of commercial flights all over the world that have taken off and landed safely just since I started this segment, air travel broadly speaking is safe. But when it`s not there`s a lot of different ways that it can go wrong. And we have an empirical set of data, really well documented empirical data all -- from all over the world about why planes come down when they do come down. If Malaysia Airways Flight 370 did come down, then finding its wreckage will be the first and the necessary step in figuring out what was the cause of that disaster. But when planes do come down, there are as many ways to find them as there are ways for the plane`s failure to have occurred in the first place. Sometimes there`s no mystery as to where the plane is, and that`s true both in heroic and happy circumstances like with that U.S. air flight on the Hudson. It`s also true sometimes in unbelievably tragic circumstances like in Lockerbie, when the wing of Pan Am Flight 103 came down into a densely populated area in Scotland and killed 11 people on the ground. On the other hand, sometimes it does feel like these planes just vanish into thin air. That was the case with that Air France flight in 2009. They did find some debris right away, right after that plane crashed into the Atlantic. But it took them about five days to find much of the wreckage. And in terms of recovering the bulk of the plane, with the Air France crash, that ended up taking years. It took until 2011. It took these remotely piloted undersea vehicles to find and recover the main part of that wreckage, in part because it sank 13,000 feet into the very depths of the sea. In terms of the missing flight right now, the Malaysian Airways flight, in terms of where it is, where it might be, where they`re looking for it, it was a flurry of interest in statements from the Malaysian military over the last few days when they said they had indications that the plane might have turned very sharply off course, which could have put it into position to potentially crash in or near the Straits of Malacca. If it went down in that water, that water is not just a very busy sea corridor, it`s also not very deep. If the plane on the other hand followed its original flight path, it didn`t take a sharp turn like that, it would likely have been over the Gulf of Thailand when it crashed. The Gulf of Thailand is also very busily traffic water, it`s also not very deep. Less than 300 feet. So you would have to do nothing like the kind of undersea exploration that had to get you down 13,000 feet to find that Air France flight. In this case, this plane went missing very early morning, in the very early morning of Saturday local Malaysia time. There have been false leads before and false hopes before about finding it. You might remember that initially they said they found an oil slick which might indicate the place for that plane had gone down. Turns out that oil slick contained no jet fuel. It`s not thought of -- it`s not thought to have had anything to do with that plane. Two different objects have also been found. Both of which initially were thought to offer some hope of maybe finding the plane. One of them turned out to be just the lid of a large box that was floating in the water that was found by Vietnamese authorities. The other one turned out to be a bunch of logs that were tied together. So there have been false leads. These latest images from the Chinese government just found today, again, these were taken on Sunday. They were taken the day after the plane disappeared. We don`t know if these images offer more hope than those earlier ultimately false leads. If whatever these pictures show is related to this plane, it`s worth noting that these pictures were taken near the actual planned flight path of the plane. These pictures were taken on the path that that plane had been scheduled to travel and where it`s still seen to be headed at 1:21 a.m. local time which is the last time that anything was heard from that plane`s automatic transponder. The silence not only of the crew, but of that plane`s transponder itself is one of the mysteries that has made this search so frustrating so far, and has also made it such a mystery. Coming up, we`re going to be talking with somebody who`s been following this story from the very beginning and very closely. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TOM COSTELLO, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: The Chinese news agency reporting these images were taken at about 11:00 a.m. on Sunday from a government satellite over the South China Sea. The images according to the Chinese show three objects that seem to be floating in the ocean, large pieces, 43 by 59 feet, 56 by 62, and 78 by 72. Importantly, these images are identified as being in the very area of the South China Sea over which this plane was last reported, halfway between Malaysia and Vietnam. (END VIDEO CLIP) MADDOW: That`s NBC News correspondent Tom Costello tonight describing these new images that lots of people are hoping might show evidence of the Malaysian airliner that went missing this weekend with 239 people on board. Again, those images were posted by the Chinese government tonight, essentially with no corroborating assertion from the Chinese government that they mean anything in particular. But those are now in the mix in terms of people trying to figure out the likelihood of finding where this plane is and what made whatever happened to it, happen to it. Joining us now is Barbara Peterson. She`s a senior aviation correspondent for Conde Nast. She`s been covering this story intensely from the beginning. Thank you very much for being here. BARBARA PETERSON, CONDE NAST AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: It`s great to be here. MADDOW: What do those pictures mean to you? Can you tell at all what those satellite images from the Chinese government today might show? PETERSON: Well, what it does show is that at least we are getting an incredible amount of air and sea coverage of this search, that they are using every available means, satellites, helicopters, planes. You know, they`ve got state-of-the-art military aircraft. So that`s all good. This is something that may not have been possible, you know, decades ago. So we`re using all the available technology, as far as what those images mean, it really it`s too early to tell. And I know in this type of investigation, there`s a hunger for just anything that we could go on. However, there have already been several false leads, that`s the nature of these things. But I think it`s way too early until they can get to that piece of debris. (CROSSTALK) MADDOW: The thing I find striking is the contrast, at least cognitively for me, between the amount of technology it takes to get not just those pictures but those very specific size measurements that they`re giving us about what might be the size of those things that we`re looking at in those images. That seems like incredibly technical data. And the fact that they don`t even know which ocean to look into probably speaking. I mean, they don`t know which side of Malaysia to be looking into. I mean, the areas that they`re searching have not only changed so much, but they`re so giant it just seems like it`s bigger than a needle in a haystack. It seems like it`s a needle in a field full of haystacks. PETERSON: Precisely. And in fact the search areas in fact doubled in just the last day which is not the direction it should be going in. And this is what`s really unusual about this situation. Usually at this stage -- you know, in an aircraft investigation, they have a lot more to go on. Even with Air France, as you pointed out. They knew within a few days more or less where they had been. They`ve actually identified debris. This is really unprecedented almost in recent memory. MADDOW: Is that specifically because the transponder for whatever reason stopped transponding? PETERSON: Yes, and there again, we don`t know why that happened. I mean, and you know, there have been a sudden cashed off -- of course it would have stopped because everything would have stopped. But I think the real question now is why are we still relying on 1960s era technology to find this? Basically it boils down now to a search for the black boxes that contain really what will be the most important bit of information in sorting out what happened to this. And that`s -- well, who knows, I mean, possibly at the bottom of the ocean, we really don`t know. But there is a way to do that in real time, to stream it over satellite bandwidth, and we would get that information instantaneously. MADDOW: So if transponders were higher tech and presumably then more expensive, if they were essentially checking in not by radio bursts, but rather in a kind of constant and real time way with satellite, you think the transponder idea could actually be much more effective? Not just in catastrophic -- potentially catastrophic situations like this but in everyday use? PETERSON: Well, I think that most of the industry resists that latter option which is in everyday use. I think this would just be really an alternative to the black boxes which after all are only useful when there has been a terrible tragedy like this, so essentially what it would be is we wouldn`t have to wait to find them. This could become available as soon as the accident happened. And the technology is there to do that. MADDOW: Do you find it -- obviously you said if there had been an utterly catastrophic event on board that plane, it would make sense that at that moment the transponder would cease transponding just as everything would. Is there any other circumstance in which you can imagine why the transponder would have stopped? Why a pilot might have shut it off or any other reason why it would have gone off? PETERSON: Yes. Well, there`s been a lot of speculation about that in recent days, and of course most of the interpretations or explanations for that are not terribly encouraging. There are things like yes, the pilot turned it off. Now why would the pilot turn off the transponder? You know, it either suggests a hijacking or something else nefarious. A suicide scenario. All of which have all happened before, too. So a lot of these scenarios are things that we know can happen. And yet there is no evidence to go on in this case, to suggest any of it. MADDOW: That`s what we`re all waiting for. Barbara Peterson, aviation correspondent for Conde Nast. Thank you for helping us understand this matter. PETERSON: OK. Appreciate it. MADDOW: Thank you. Thank you. All right. We`ve got a lot to come tonight including some bizarre and slightly scary news that is emanating out of an abandoned gas station in rural North Dakota. Scary story. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MADDOW: Tenafly, New Jersey. It sits right across the Hudson River from the top of New York City, across from the Bronx. Just under 15,000 people live in lovely Tenafly, New Jersey. Politics wise there`s a lot more registered Democrats in Tenafly than there are registered Republicans. But as you could tell from the pie chart here, independents outnumber them both. Still, though, President Obama beat Mitt Romney there by a lot. The mayor of Tenafly is not a Democrat. He is an independent. And maybe it was that independent minded yet Democratic leaning political dynamic that made Tenafly a priority for New Jersey Governor Chris Christie`s re-election campaign. Endorsements from officials in towns like Tenafly could help prove that the Republican Governor Chris Christie had bipartisan appeal. The Chris Christie campaign actively sought re-election endorsements from local officials in Tenafly. And they got a good one. You can see where the governor`s campaign wanted this kind of thing. Look at this glowing story in the local press. This was right before Election Day last year. Quote, "A borough official on Friday became the latest Democrat to reach across the aisle and publicly stump for Governor Chris Christie. Anthony Barcelatto, a two-term councilman in Tenafly, became the 7th Democrat in Bergen County and the 60th Democrat in New Jersey to endorse Chris Christie in his bid for a second term." Well, now, thanks to new reporting for "The New York Times" we know how the Christie administration internally planned to get those endorsements, in order to get those very nice headlines heading into Election Day. The "New York Times" reporting yesterday that one of the ways the Christie campaign courted their top priority endorsements from local officials was to hand out pieces of steal salvaged from the ruins of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. To hand those pieces of steal out as political gifts. The year before the 2013 re-election effort by Governor Christie, Governor Christie`s top staff appointee at the Port Authority, Bill Baroni, he travelled to cities across the state of New Jersey to bestow upon local officials pieces of the destroyed World Trade Center. These footages of Bill Baroni in Tenafly in July 2012. The object he`s touching is a piece of a beam from the World Trade Center. He is giving this relic to the town. And Tenafly was not alone. There were towns all over the state of New Jersey that got this treatment from the Christie re-election campaign and not incidentally from Bill Baroni, from Governor Christie`s top appointee at the Port Authority. Here`s Mr. Baroni again presenting a piece of steel from the Trade Center to the mayor of Secaucus, New Jersey. Another top endorsement priority for the governor. Here are Mr. Baroni and Chris Christie`s lieutenant governor, Kim Guadagno, presenting again another piece of the World Trade Center to the town of Sea Girt, New Jersey. We have no reason to believe that the government officials who were being courted at these events knew that they were being given these essentially sacred objects. These physical relics of mass murder as part of election year politics. There`s no reason to believe that they knew that`s what was going on. But according to the "Times" the Christie campaign knew that was going on. That was the Christie campaign`s plan. Handing out pieces of the World Trade Center to impress people, and hopefully get something of political benefit for themselves in return. Turns out that New Jersey was the only place in the world that was treated this way, that allowed a political appointee at the Port Authority to decide who would get a piece of World Trade Center steel. For the other 49 states in the union, including New York, and for the entire rest of the world, there was an application process. And anybody who wanted a physical remnant of that terrible day had to apply and then nonpolitical career staff members at the Port Authority would handle those requests. That`s how it worked for everyone, except for New Jersey. Once Chris Christie got elected at least, New Jersey handled it differently. In New Jersey after Chris Christie got control of state government, the process of handing out relics from the World Trade Center wreckage changed just for his state. In 2011, Governor Christie`s political appointee Bill Baroni, he came to the Port Authority. Chris Christie appointed him to his job there and he decided he would change the rules just for New Jersey. The new procedure just for New Jersey would be that Bill Baroni would now be the person in charge of deciding who would get pieces of the Trade Center steel. It wouldn`t be somebody at the Port Authority who`d been doing it for a decade and for everyone else in the world. It would be Mr. Baroni. Yesterday the "New York Times" reported that on its front page. Reported that that is how the Christie administration managed 9/11 wreckage for their own political gain. Today the "Times" reported that the Christie administration has decided to stop doing that. Or at least the Christie administration appointees at the Port Authority have decided to stop doing that. The person who was chosen to replace Bill Baroni when he had to resign in the bridge scandal has now decided that she will give up the decision making authority over that 9/11 steel. The decision making authority that Bill Baroni had ceded to his own office in order to be able to use the ruins of 9/11 to help Governor Christie`s re-election campaign. Treating those relics like they were campaign buttons or T-shirts or swag bags at a campaign party. The person who has replaced Bill Baroni now has decided to stop doing that, and instead to allow the person who oversees all of the other states and all the other countries in the world who might want a piece of 9/11 to also oversee New Jersey. They`ve made that change. It`s weird timing, though, right? The same week that "The New York Times" is reporting out this cringe inducing story about political scheming by the Christie administration involving one of the most sacred events in American history. That same week, Governor Christie`s new appointee at the Port Authority says, publicly, actually nothing to see here, we`re not doing it that way anymore, we`ve had a change of heart. The Port Authority told us tonight that the "New York Times" reporting had nothing to do with their decision to change the rules for how New Jersey was handling World Trade Center steel. So apparently they were going to make that change anyway, it`s just coincidence that it changed as soon as the world was about to find out about it, and collectively wretch in response. Just a coincidence. That`s what they say. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MADDOW: Most of the pasta made in America is made from North Dakota wheat. North Dakota has super low unemployment. The inestimable Angie Dickinson comes from North Dakota. Also Ed Schultz, Big Eddie, Fargo, North Dakota. North Dakota is a great place, and at the same time North Dakota is alarmingly terrible at one very specific thing, that turned up today in an abandoned gas station on the edge of a small town in a very, very bad way, and that story is next. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MADDOW: Marie Curie, a Nobel Prize in physics, Nobel Prize in chemistry. We have the word radioactive because Marie Curie figured out radio activity. She came up with that term. The unit we use to describe how radioactive something is is a Curie, that was named for her. Marie Curie was Polish by birth. The first radioactive element she discovered she called polonium after Poland. The second radioactive element she discovered was radium. Both discovered by Marie Curie, both radioactive, she worked with and handled radioactive elements all her life, and it killed her. She died from a form of anemia, brought on by exposure to radioactivity. The second of the two elements that she discovered, radium, has the added and memorable feature of glowing in the dark, just like everything radioactive on "The Simpsons." And because radium glows steadily at least while it radioactively decays over its half life of thousands of years, some variance of radium for a long time were used on watches. Before we had the technology to put a light bulb attached to a little button on your watch to light up the face of your watch, watch makers used to paint radium on to the hands -- or the hands of watches and the numerals on the face of watches so you could tell time in the dark. For decades until the 1960s, lots of people wore radium painted, radioactive watches on their wrists. Just being near radium, just wearing that kind of watch would not necessarily mean that you would be irradiated. Radium, it is radioactive, but in most cases you need to inhale it in order for it to hurt you. It needs to be airborne or more efficiently you need to get it in your mouth somehow. And people don`t tend to lick the face of their watch. But in the 1920s the factory girls who were hired to paint radium on to watch faces and watch numerals they did tend to lick the paintbrushes they were using to apply the radium. They were doing fine work and these were small brushes they were working with. And they needed them to come to a really fine point. And so it was standard operating procedure to lick the radium paintbrush over and over and over again over the course of your watch-making shift, probably hundreds of times a day. And the radium girls in those factories died because of it. In the 1920s, the United States Radium Corporation was sued by their own low-level employees who were dying from exposure to radioactivity encountered in their everyday work on the job. The upper level managers and the scientists knew that radium glowed because it was radioactive, they protected themselves from it but they didn`t do anything to protect their lower level workers from their constant exposure. And a lot of those lower level employees died because of it. And they sued because of it, and they won and that suit became a foundation of American law governing just how dangerous our workplaces can be. Radium is a naturally occurring element. It tends to turn up with surprising frequency in mining operations, in drilling operations. It`s in the earth, so much so that in drilling towns in the United States, in places where there is a lot of deep drilling activity for oil or natural gas, at the local dump in some of those towns they have now in some places installed these, giant Geiger counters. Radioactivity sensors on a large scale. So if you drive a truck full of drilling waste into the town dump and your truck is full of sludge and drill cuttings and in particular filters for fracking material, which do have a tendency to get really radioactive, thanks to Geiger counters like these ones at the McKenzie County landfill in North Dakota, if you try to drive into the landfill to dump your radium contaminated, radioactive drilling waste as if it is normal trash, the town dump should start beeping like a smoke detector caught in a house fire. Should do. Doesn`t always. Over the last decade North Dakota has of course experienced a huge oil boom. North Dakota is the second largest oil producing state now after Texas. One of the byproducts of all that drilling is that every day in North Dakota, several dozen tons of these are produced now by the drilling industry. It kind of looks like a net -- long net. It`s a filter. They call it a filter sock and it`s used to filter the wastewater from the fracking sites to capture the solids in the waste water used in hydraulic fracking. Well, that waste water includes high levels of salts and metals and organic compounds and radioactive materials like radium. Naturally occurring radium. And because the filters catch all of that solid stuff, the filters themselves, when they`re done being used, the filters themselves end up being radioactive. And because these things are radioactive, you need to take some care in throwing them away. No landfill in North Dakota is supposed to take any radioactive waste that clocks in at over 5 picocuries. These filter socks, though, these filter socks apparently clock in on average at anywhere between 5 picocuries and 80 picocuries per filter. Shale reporter said last summer that in one case, one of them came in at 374 picocuries. So that`s 75 times the radioactivity that any North Dakota landfill is supposed to be able to take. But the people who are drilling the living daylights out of North Dakota right now, they are producing dozens of tons of these filters every day, and there is nowhere to legally dispose of them anywhere in the state. If you get caught bringing one of these things into a North Dakota landfill, it`s a $1,000 fine per filter. So what do you think is happening to them in North Dakota? This was found at an Indian Reservation called Fort Berthold in North Dakota last year. Nobody knows who dumped them all there but there they are. The tribe says they realized they had a problem when one of the trucks from the reservation that had just been picking up regular consumer trash at the dumpsters around the reservation tripped the Geiger counters at the McKenzie County landfill. They didn`t know they had anything radioactive, but apparently somebody had been dumping these radioactive filters in the tribe`s trash cans and the dumpsters, and dumping them just on the side of the road at the reservation. It`s radioactive waste full of radium, which can kill you. But heck, who wants to go to the trouble of taking care of it properly? And it`s happening all over the state now. Last month, look at this. These leaking trailers loaded with thousands of pounds of radioactive filters were found just parked outside near Watford City, North Dakota, leaking radioactive contamination. The company that operates trailers at that site had already been fined nearly $30,000 by the local country dump for trying to dump radioactive filters there before. But this new haul where they were just piling them up, that was the biggest radioactive illegal dump anyone had ever seen in the state. And it was really highly radioactive. Some of the filters that were dumped out there, reportedly maxed out the meters, the Geiger counters. They could read as high as 1,000 picocuries and these things maxed out the meters. They were higher than that. These trailers last month this is the worst anyone had ever seen in North Dakota. Until now. Yesterday at an abandoned gas station in the remote Divide County, North Dakota, town of Noonan, population 120. At a 4,000 square foot abandoned gas station on the edge of town. A place that looks like this from the outside. Turns out that on the inside of that facility, it was stuffed with hundreds of bags of industrial sized -- their industrial sized black garbage bags filled with highly radioactive filters. More than 200 bags of radioactive waste. These filters in six rooms of this dirt floor abandoned property on the edge of town. The guy who owns the property is reportedly a fugitive. He escaped from law enforcement custody in Wyoming, where he was being held on a larceny charge recently. So maybe at his abandoned gas station property in Noonan, North Dakota, he`s not the best landlord. But in his absence, the fact that North Dakota has no state plan for dealing with the tons of radioactive material they`re letting the drilling industry to produce every day, other than telling local cities and counties to charge people 1,000 bucks a filter if they try to throw this stuff away. That genius system has now earned tiny Noonan, North Dakota, and this site, the distinction of being five times as radioactive as a site as what humans are supposed to live with. The worst illegal radioactive dump the state has seen yet but nobody is expecting it`s going to be the worst one forever. The mayor of Noonan, North Dakota, says she is furious, telling the "Bismarck Tribune" today, "Why isn`t the state more on top of this? Why don`t they have a more stringent plan for getting rid of this stuff?" Good question, mayor of 120 person Noonan, North Dakota, but in the meantime one of the consequences of the drilling boom for North Dakota is literally radioactive toxic waste turning up on Indian reservations and in the abandoned gas stations of the state, and in municipal trash cans and commercial dumpsters used by unsuspecting businesses. And sometimes just dumped along the side of the road. Drill baby drill, keep licking those paintbrushes, we will handle the radium issue later, some day. Joining us is Don Morrison. He`s executive director of the Dakota Resource Council. A group of more than 700 conservation minded land owners in North Dakota. Mr. Morrison, it`s nice to see you again, despite the circumstances. Thanks for being here. DON MORRISON, DAKOTA RESOURCE COUNCIL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Thanks for having me, Rachel. Good to see you. MADDOW: How common are discoveries like this? Not necessarily just the filters specifically, but stuff being disposed of improperly from the drilling industry that poses a threat to public health in your state? MORRISON: Well, they`re becoming more common. We`re finding out more and more all the time. And there`s 75 tons of oil waste generated in North Dakota every day. About a third of that is radioactive. And most of that is being dumped illegally in North Dakota. MADDOW: Why aren`t regulations and oversight, even of something as extreme as radioactive waste, why aren`t regulations and oversight in the state keeping pace with the growth of that industry? MORRISON: Well, I think there`s this -- we have -- we have to drill as fast as possible. We have to get the oil out of the ground as fast as possible. And other things just take a backseat to that. And it`s -- and that`s one of the reasons that there is these kind of problems. MADDOW: In terms of how his -- MORRISON: And it`s not just limited to the waste. MADDOW: Well, let me ask you about the broader picture about both the waste and these broader consequences. I mean, looking at those trailers full of radio -- very hyper radioactive filters on that land in McKenzie County, looking at this gas station that was discovered today, looking at that Indian reservation, reading accounts from towns across North Dakota where they`re finding this stuff just in their city waste, truckers just dumping it wherever they can so they can avoid getting fined for having to ship it out of state. It makes you wonder who should pay for this stuff if the industry is going to these lengths to not. It`s obviously -- they`re making the cost benefit calculation that it`s better to just dump it illegally than actually pay for what they`re creating. MORRISON: That is absolutely true, Rachel. We have -- we have a great economy in North Dakota in many ways and people are very thankful for that, but the costs are growing daily and we`re seeing those costs come out all the time. Dakota Resource Council members have been tracking and taking photos and sending them into the state health department and to their newspapers and for over a year we`ve been talking with the North Dakota Health Department and showing them that this is happening. We`ve been bringing their attention to these kinds of illegal dumpings of radioactive waste for over a year. And we often get a deer in the headlights look from the department officials. They`re not sure how -- they can`t track it. They don`t know -- and when the municipal land waste dump facilities turn them away and fine them $1,000 a filter sock, the health department told us recently, they don`t know what happens to it after it leaves that dump. MADDOW: Wow. (CROSSTALK) MORRISON: I mean -- MADDOW: Sorry, sir. Go ahead. MORRISON: Yes. Well, we have -- is that they are -- they have two roles. And the one role that trumps the other is promotion. Promoting the oil industry. And the regulatory part of the state government`s job has definitely taken a backseat. MADDOW: Don Morrison, the executive director of the Dakota Resource Council. Again a group of North Dakota land owners, concerned about what`s going on in their state. Thanks very much for being with us, Mr. Morrison. I appreciate it. MORRISON: Great to be with you. Thank you. MADDOW: Thanks. All right. Hey, thanks to the state of Michigan. There is a new kind of insurance just for women that starts tomorrow. It`s kind of hard to describe. I will try in just a moment. You may want to grab, like, your inhaler or a paper bag or whatever else keeps you from hyperventilating on your couch if you`re prone to that. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) MADDOW: Happy Wednesday to everybody but specifically to the great state of Michigan because, Michigan, you are getting a new law tomorrow. Specifically it is a new law just for Michigan`s lady people. And it has one of the toughest names in all of American politics. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the fact that rape insurance is even being discussed by this body is repulsive. And for those of you who want to act aghast that I`d use a term like rape insurance to describe the proposal here in front of us, you should be even more offended that it`s absolutely accurate description of what this proposal requires. This tells women that were raped and became pregnant that they should have through ahead and bought special insurance for it. (END VIDEO CLIP) MADDOW: Despite that opposition, despite testimony like that at the state house last year, Michigan Republicans in December passed an anti-abortion bill that opponents call the rape insurance bill. It`s now law, goes into effect tomorrow in Michigan. Tomorrow by order of the Michigan legislature and the Michigan governor, it will now be illegal for your private health insurance in Michigan to cover your abortion unless you thought ahead and bought special coverage just for that. As if lots of people plan ahead for unplanned pregnancies. Your insurance cannot even cover you getting an abortion if you got pregnant because you were raped. That`s why the law`s opponent are calling it the rape insurance bill. No one plans on having an unplanned pregnancy, but if you want to make sure your abortion is covered in case you get raped, you now have to buy special standalone coverage for that in Michigan. If you can find it. If you have been getting your health insurance through your job, maybe there`s a possibility that your insurance company might start offering that coverage so you can plan ahead for an abortion and pay extra now. But if you`ve been buying health insurance on your own, maybe you got new individual coverage as part of Obamacare, then no insurance company will sell you this new special coverage. None. Not one company. They`re not offering specific abortion coverage to individuals at any price. So Michigan law now says that buying separate abortion insurance is the only way you can have your abortion covered by insurance if you need one. But also that coverage is not available for purchase in the state. So they`re saying the only way you can have it is this way. And by the way, it`s not available this way. Michigan, you are amazing. I continue to maintain that over the last few years, Michigan state government has become way more insane than anyone nationally gives them credit for. The Michigan rape insurance bill goes into effect tomorrow. It goes into effect on Thursday. But the Michigan rape insurance bill is not the most intense thing going on in Michigan politics. Over the next couple of days we`re going to have a new exclusive report on something further, something else going on in Michigan, surprisingly radical and occasionally bizarre state government. That special report is ahead this week. You will want to watch this space. That does it for us tonight. We`ll see you again tomorrow night. Now it`s time for "THE LAST WORD" with Lawrence O`Donnell. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. END <Copy: Content and programming copyright 2014 MSNBC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2014 CQ-Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of CQ-Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content.>