Chris Hayes to Rudy Giuliani: Do your firm's federal contracts count as government spending?

In a heated exchange that was much more tense and rapid-fire than the main event, msnbc host Chris Hayes argued with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani ab

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In a heated exchange that was much more tense and rapid-fire than the main event, msnbc host Chris Hayes argued with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani about tax policy—and Rudy's own security firm—after the first presidential debate.

After Giuliani stressed the need to stop "feeding the beast" of federal spending, Hayes, the host of msnbc's Up with Chris Hayes, asked Giuliani point-blank about federal contracts he said Giuliani's firm holds with the Department of Homeland Security.

"Does the Department of Homeland Security and related spending through contracts on say, private consulting firms like yourself, does that count as feeding the beast or not?"


Giuliani denied that his firm held such contracts.

Hayes later tweeted, "I would list all of Giuliani's gov't contracts through the years, but it's too long for twitter."

Watch the video above.