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Transcript: The ReidOut, October 23, 2020

Guests: Jelani Cobb, Lily Adams, Philippe Reines, Ezekiel Emanuel, Lori Lightfoot, June Carryl, Elizabeth Marvel, Sydney Lemmon, Ariana Guerra


47 million Americans have voted 11 days from election. Biden slams Trump for failing to lead on pandemic. Biden says, anyone responsible for this many deaths should not remain president. Trump insists we're rounding the corner on pandemic. U.S. sets record for new cases in one day. Final presidential debate marred by Trump's dishonesty.


JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: OK, America. It's go time. There are just eleven days until we start counting the votes. Just eleven days. Millions of you have already made your voices heard in what's arguably the most important election in our lifetime. In battleground states across the country, Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Georgia, people are voting like their lives depend on it, more than 47 million of you, because that is what this election is about in the final stretch, life or death.

That was abundantly clear on the campaign trail today And in the final debate of the campaign last night in Nashville. Joe Biden followed up his message last night with an event today outlining the plan to tackle the coronavirus.


JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Last night, we saw the president of the United States lie to the American people and repeatedly lie about the state of this pandemic. We saw him refuse to take responsibility for the crisis that should have been met with real presidential leadership. We saw him diminish the pain felt by so many Americans.


REID: And he's right. Last night, Americans got their final chance to see him, Joe Biden, and Donald Trump make their closing arguments on a host of issues. And the contrast could not have been more clear, especially when it come handling the pandemic.


BIDEN: 220,000 Americans dead. You hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who is responsible for not taking control, in fact, not saying, I take no responsibility, initially, anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America.


REID: Then, of course, there was Donald Trump. Today he was spewing more of the same nonsense to senior citizens in Florida.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: All he talks about is COVID, COVID, COVID, because they want to scare people. And we have done so well with it. Now it's 99.8 percent. I mean, you look at what's going on. And we're rounding the turn. We're rounding the corner. We're rounding the corner beautifully.


REID: No, no, not true. Trump is continuing his magical thinking insisting COVID is going away, which he has said since the beginning of this nightmare, even when he was privately saying otherwise. But it is still very much here.

There are more than 8.5 million cases in this country and more than 225,000 Americans have died from the virus. And yesterday, the United States hit a new single day record in new cases, more than 77,000, the highest number since July.

But last night, Trump made clear his closing argument is just lies, lies and more lies, flooding the zone with a deluge of outright false claims.

Now before we go any further, let's just clear up a few things. Trump said Biden would terminate private healthcare for 180 million people. No. Biden's plan does not end private insurance. It just adds a non-profit option. Trump said, the stock market will crash if Biden wins. No. There's no evidence to support that. And not at all Liberal Moody's has said that Biden's plan would create a better economy than whatever it is Trump is doing.

Trump also said it was China paying billions for his tariffs, just giving us money. Wrong again. Those tariffs are paid by importers and usually passed along to the American consumers. In other words, you, you are paying for Trump tariff just like you paid for that partial law that Mexico was supposed to pay for.

Now, amid that blizzard of lies, his most egregious was about the coronavirus.


TRUMP: We're rounding the turn. We're rounding the corner. It's going away.

I say, we're learning to live with it. We have no choice. We can't lock ourselves up in the basement like Joe does.

BIDEN: He says, we're, you know, we're learning to live with it. People are learning to die with it. Learning to live with it? Come on.


REID: Living with it or living with dying from it. Remember that for the next 11 days.

Joining me now, Philippe Reines, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and former spokesman for Hilary Clinton, Lily Adams, Senior Spokesperson for the DNC and former Communication Director for Senator Kamala Harris' presidential campaign, and Jelani Cobb, Staff Writer at the New Yorker.

I'm going to go in a reverse order and go to my historian first to sort of get a -- you're sort -- not in sort of any campaign relationship.

The issue that I have with debates anymore happening in American politics, Jelani, to be blunt, is that they only matter if you can presume that both candidates are going to tell something like the truth and be honest about their positions. If you have somebody that's just going to lie for 90 minutes, I'm not sure that I understand the value of the debate, period. What do you think?

JELANI COBB, STAFF WRITER, "THE NEW YORKER": Yes. I mean, I think that's one of the fundamental things about like the spectacle, which is, you know -- and it really is a microcosm of the bigger concern about the media and that they never quite figured out how to handle the deluge of misinformation, deception, lies, absurdities, just the kind of constant stream of it. And default that we've seen is just to function as if this were a normal presidency. And, you know, that we see that time and again.

But even last night, he was saying things that were absurd. He said he prepaid his taxes, you know, in the amount of tens of millions of dollars. And the question just popped into my mind, how do we know that. You know, what's the evidence of that? Are you going to release the evidence of that? Is he going to release any of his tax returns? And so it's just patently obviously that there's no real responsible way to engage with this person unless you are going to constantly stop him and say, that's not true.

REID: And the challenge is, to stay with just one second, Jelani, you know, there's a weird way that the media has been negatively trained by conservatives, by Republicans, that if you criticize Trump, you have to equally criticize Biden, so you balance the scales. But when Trump does poorly, you have to find any instance where he doesn't bite the head off a bat and say, oh, my gosh, he has completely changed and pivoted, look, he's doing better.

There is a headline in Politico that says Trump is doing worse than it seems but reporters are afraid to say so. People don't want to look illiberal and look bias. Trump exploited a broken press. Here is got to fix it, Vox writes, because he -- the media wasn't built to handle an autocrat or just a constant liar. I mean, we had Nixon but we never had this.

COBB: No. And, you know, the funny thing about it is that the United States prides itself on having the kind of banner, benchmark element of press freedom. What I have been saying since the outset of this debacle that there's really a lot to learn from people who are -- like Maria Ressa, who is covering the regime in the Philippines, you know, people who are covering Erdogan in Turkey, you know, the people who have real experience on how authoritarians function. Because they actually have a skill set that, quite frankly, the United States media is just lacking. They don't have the experience. It's almost like a person playing against a left hander, you know, in baseball. Like you don't know what a left hander pitch is like and if you hadn't experienced it, you don't know what to do.

REID: Let me get Lily in here, because you did work for Kamala Harris, you have a proximity to the current campaign which is running for president. Here is Donald Trump taking a shot at Senator Harris today. I'll just going to let you listen to it and respond.


TRUMP: We're not going to be a socialist nation. We're not going to have a socialist president, especially a female socialist president. We're not going to have it. We're not going to put up with it.


REID: Especially a female. That started trending, Lily. Your thoughts on that particular line of attack when he needs suburban women to vote for him.

LILY ADAMS, SENIOR SPOKESPERSON, DEMOCRTIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE: Well, look, he's doing himself no favors, but this is how he has dug himself into this hole in the first place. But, look, I think Jelani is right. You know, what we have seen for four years and what we saw in the debate stage was just an avalanche of lies. If he said that, you know, Joe Biden was going to get rid of windows and that he was going to plant 1 trillion trees and we were going to kill all the birds in America.

So there's just -- there's no bottom to Donald Trump. But certainly when it comes to powerful women, to qualified women, to women who have challenged him and his administration, he has lashed out, and at every turn, that's just another suburban woman voter that you see flocking to Joe Biden and Democratic ticket -- Democratic candidates up and down the ticket.

REID: Yes, especially a female seems like the wrong thing to say 12 days from vote counting day.

So, Philippe, there is a thing that -- a term that has been coined that I will not take credit for but I think it's brilliant. They call it the Trump's cinematic universe. It's the separate world where all of these controversies and things are happening. But if you don't like the main line Breibart and Fox News, you're not in their cinematic universe. You have no idea what they're talking about.

There were a lot of moments last night when he started going off on these conspiracy theories that must be like QAnon knows what they are, but most people didn't. And for that reason, they didn't land. Let me give you one example of them. Let's show Biden responding to an attempt to go after him with conspiracy theories. Here was Biden's response.


BIDEN: I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. We learned that this president paid 50 times the tax in China, has a secret bank account with China, does business in China and, in fact, is talking about me taking money?


REID: I mean, that seems smart to use that to flip it on a thing that is actually known in the media. What do you make of this? Because, you know, Hilary Clinton had the negative disadvantage of The New York Times having also gone crazy over the emails. So there was like, it legitimized what turned out to be a nothing scandal because the mainstream picked up on it. In this case, no one is doing this except The New York Post. So do you understand why the Trump campaign would say, let's go down that road?

PHILIPPE REINES, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE: No more, no less than why they do anything else. Either they don't have a strategy, which I think is operative half the time. And the other half of the time, they have a strategy that just bad.

But you hit the nail on the head. Last night, when he starts regurgitating his list of grievances and he starts talking about, you know, Tony Bobulinski, or whoever this person is, he is talking to people who only watch Fox or worse, OAN or Gateway Pundit or these things that are maybe some of the people who are watching us right now don't even know exist. So it's very strange.

And Joe Biden was smart and saying, well, you know, this came from Rudy. Because to the extent that people on both side did know about it, they knew that it came from Rudy in this crazy, absurd way.

But you know, Donald Trump -- the first debate, you couldn't hear anything. Last night, you could hear everything. And I'm not sure that we're down into Donald Trump favor. Because, you know, a debate at its core should only be the largest audience that you're talking to. It should not be this moment where you are just trying to find a message that you are trying everything.

And what Joe Biden did last night is that he spoke for 90 minutes or his part of 90 minutes saying what he says every day. He said it yesterday whether he was in a rally or debate or tomorrow at a speech and it's been consistent. And you have, whatever, 50, 60, 70 maybe more million people watching. And it's an opportunity.

The flipside is Donald Trump has not known what he's been saying. He doesn't know why he's running. He only has this one speed where it's anger. And I think what he is not -- I don't know whether he appreciates it or not, but, basically, whatever happened four years ago happened. I assume we can debate about that all night, but he has enough people who are looking at it who are -- just see it for what it is as a failed experiment.

And you know, the cinematic universe part, there is a part that we are all stuck in with that's familiar. You know, it's not just the 50/50 or 60/40 world. And if a Trump supporter or you are Republican that doesn't like Trump and hates Democrats even more, there's got to be an element to 70, 80 percent of society who are just so tired of this. It's just so draining emotionally. It's draining to be upset. It's draining to fight, even if you're fighting on behalf of Donald Trump.

And I think last night gives us just sort of renewed glimpses of enough already, enough. And the reason he starts saying stuff about taking our windows away, which I'm not letting anybody take my windows away, but the reason do you do that is because you're just grasping at straws to make this person someone that you fear.

The last thing I'll say is, as I was watching T.V. today, and there were two back-to-back ads and Biden had a great ad where it was a woman who essentially voted for Trump four years ago, and said, look, I didn't like politics, and I didn't like the system and I was voting for a businessman and non-politician to change it. And that's not what he did. He's made it worse.

And then the very next ad was Donald Trump. And it was like no jobs, no mobs. Like what are you doing? People don't need to be worked up right now. People want to be -- I don't know. You know, you want to be empathetic, you want people to be reassured, and that's not coming from one guy.

COBB: I just would like to add --

REID: Yes, Lily let's look at this. Because one person who isn't-- oh, yes, go ahead. Please do.

COBB: Yes, I just want to add that there is going to be a new ad coming out soon of people clutching their drapes, saying, from my cold dead fingers.

REID: Exactly. And also save the birds from the evil wind. You know, it's like the wind doesn't kill birds.

So, Lily, I want to let you to look at this schedule, because Donald Trump doesn't seem to be tired. We're going to put it up. Saturday, he's going to North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin. They're having COVID outbreaks like crazy, New Hampshire, and then he's going to Pennsylvania. You really shouldn't be there at the end of the campaign, I think, if you're really in trouble. If you're not in trouble, you're not going there, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska. In Nebraska? What are you doing there, right? That's supposed to be a safe place.

They both strike me in a lot of ways as a nostalgic candidates in a certain way, right? Biden is a nostalgia for sort of a wistful America, that Americans believe was there and did a lot of -- has been revealed is not real but that people want. And Trump is nostalgia for a white male-dominated America, that there's a lot of anger to his base, that they're angry that they feel they have lost something fundamental about the country.

And I wonder if at the end of the day, you know, there's a sense that campaigns are won when there's some hope in them and that Biden is the nostalgia is the hopeful one. What do you make of the way Trump is ending and where he is going in this last week?

ADAMS: Well, I think you're right. The schedule and message shows this kind of study in contrast. You saw Vice President Biden last night say, I'm a proud Democrat. I'm running as the Democratic Nominee. But I'm going to be an American president for all people.

And then you see Donald Trump who -- I got to be honest, Joy, I don't think the answer to Donald Trump's political trouble is more Donald Trump. I don't feel like that's just going to like who've make this all better. I don't think more people see more of him is going to help.

And, I mean, it's interesting, he was in the villages today. I know you know Florida well. You know a dozen people were reported died from there, died from that community yesterday from COVID. So every time he's going, he's also having super-spreader events that are reminding people of how irresponsible he's been.

REID: Yes. For those of you who don't know, the village is retirement community, a huge giant retirement community in the most elderly state in America, Florida. Bringing -- essentially bringing death to the villages doesn't strike me as a wise campaign move.

Philippe Reines, Lily Adams, Jelani Cobb, thank you all very much.

And up next on THE REIDOUT, with coronavirus once again spiraling out of control, Trump still refuses to take it seriously. He was the only one on the stage after the debate without a mask last night.

And today, few masks and no social distancing in the Oval Office.

Plus, Trump defends the indefensible, ripping migrant children from the arms of their parents.


TRUMP: They are ere so well taken care of. They're in facilities that were so clean.


REID: THE REIDOUT continues after this.



BIDEN: The virus is surging in almost every state. We passed 4.8 million cases.

And when Trump was asked this week what he would do differently to get the pandemic response right from the start, his answer is -- and I quote -- "Not much."

Not much.

If this is a success, what's a failure look like? We're more than eight months into this crisis, and the president still doesn't have a plan. He's given up. He's quit on you. He's quit on your family. He's quit on America.


REID: The United States reported more than 77,000 new coronavirus cases on Thursday and 75,000 cases today, nearing record highs that we have not seen since July.

Across the country, nearly 50,000 Americans are hospitalized with COVID. That's up 40 percent from last month. Medical centers in Kansas City, Missouri, are turning away ambulances because they have no more beds.

In Utah, doctors describe hospital floors filled with COVID patients. In Idaho, where the governor's policy of voluntary masking is unraveling, hospitals are 99 percent full.

In South Dakota, which hosted the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in August, a super-spreader event, Governor Kristi Noem refuses to issue a statewide mask mandate, explaining: "Those who don't want to wear a mask shouldn't be shamed into wearing one, and government shouldn't mandate it. We need to respect each other's decisions."

And now a new study from the University of Washington predicts the death toll in the U.S. could reach 500,000 -- that's half-a-million -- by March of 2021.

Meanwhile, in Illinois, amid spikes in cases, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot announced a curfew for nonessential businesses and is prohibiting indoor service at bars that don't serve food.

Amid the surge in cases, Trump has been MIA. In fact, Trump has not attended a Coronavirus Task Force meeting in months and does not intend to change that.

What's he doing instead? He is holding super-spreader election rallies. Tomorrow, he's heading to Wisconsin, a state that has seen record-breaking surges in cases and deaths.

Joining me now is Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot and Dr. Zeke Emanuel, vice provost of global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and author of "Which Country Has the World's Best Health Care?"

I'm going to start with the mayor first.

Madam Mayor, what do you make of people, of leaders like Governor Noem who say, masks, staying at home, it should all be optional, it's all about personal and individual choice?

MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT (D-IL), CHICAGO: It's reckless and irresponsible.

You showed that headline that indicated how many lives are going to be lost out from the failure to wear a mask. It's fundamental to our COVID-19 response. People absolutely have to wear a mask.

We have been emphasizing that. I don't believe in doing what we have seen elsewhere, which is arresting and fining people. We have got to educate them into compliance.

But, fundamentally, leaders have to lead. We have to set the course. We have to set the example. And you see these states where these governors are just doing everything that they can to undermine common sense and public health guidance. It is frightening.

And the challenge is that people aren't stationary. They are traveling. You mentioned Wisconsin. Wisconsin has been blowing up now for months. Why? Because everything that the governor tried to do to protect that state, the Republican legislature attacked and the Republican and partisan Wisconsin Supreme Court struck down.

So, now their health care system is buckling. And they're absolutely going to see deaths because of this partisanship around COVID-19 response. It's an absolutely the ugly side of politics. And we have got to do better in this country.

REID: And, Dr. Emanuel, it's almost like the Republican Party has decided it wants to be the COVID party, because they're, like, pro-COVID in a very weird way.

But I won't make you comment on that.


REID: I just want to show you Donald Trump in the Oval Office.

Take a look at this. Take a look at the screen. This is Donald Trump in the Oval Office, a place that is presumably infection central, because he's had COVID. We don't know how many -- whether his staff who have had COVID have been in there.

There they are yakking it up, applauding and enjoying themselves in the Oval in the people's house with no masks.

I want to show you another thing. This is Donald Trump mocking a reporter named Jeff Mason, who he's mocked before, from Reuters, because he wore a mask.

Do we have that? Oh, OK, here we go. This is...


TRUMP: This is Jeff Mason. He's got a mask on. It's the largest mask I think I've ever seen.


TRUMP: So, I don't know if you can hear him, but...


REID: You know, Dr. Emanuel, it's become sort of Republican chic to hate masks, to hate anything that stops COVID from spreading.

And I think Rachel Maddow and I agree on this 100 percent. You can't get around the fact that that looks like they're doing herd immunity. They're trying to make it cool to catch COVID.

I don't have another explanation for it. Do you?


And they might have read Governor Christie's op-ed in "The Wall Street Journal," where he says I should have worn a mask. It was, of course, too late, and he spent seven days in the hospital as a result.

And, by the way, herd immunity is not a strategy, it's the absence of a strategy. It's never actually been shown that you can get immunity by just letting a disease run through the population, first of all.

Second of all, if we get 200 million people in the United States infected to get to herd immunity, given what we know today, that's probably 800,000 to a million deaths that is going to be a result of that.

REID: Yes.

EMANUEL: And not all of them are going to be over 65.

REID: The reality is, is that the regular...

EMANUEL: A lot of them are going to be over 65, but some of them will be under 65.

REID: Right.

EMANUEL: And, as you point out, they're kind of reckless with the senior population when they campaign.

REID: And, by the way, the flu is not nearly as deadly as coronavirus, and we don't do herd immunity with the flu. There's a vaccine...


REID: ... that people encourage you to take.

Here is Anthony Fauci talking about the fact that he hasn't even met with Trump in we don't know how long.


CHUCK TODD, MSNBC HOST: And when was the last time you had the president at one of these task force meetings?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: At a task force meeting, I -- that was several months ago, Chuck, several months ago.

TODD: And do you brief him often anymore? Does he call you up? I mean, he says you guys still talk. How often does he ask you your advice? Do you feel like you have his ear as much as Scott Atlas?

FAUCI: I definitely don't have his ear as much as Scott Atlas right now. That has been a changing situation.

We certainly interact with the vice president at the task force meetings. And we -- and the vice president makes our feelings and what we talk about there known to the president. But direct involvement with the president in the discussions, I have not done that in a while.


REID: Mayor Lightfoot, you're in an executive position.

Can you imagine trying to deal with a pandemic without talking to -- oh, I'm sorry -- without talking to your chief public health executive or public health person?


I mean, again, it's the absolute absence of leadership. I talk to my public health team, the first call that I have every morning is with them. I talk to them multiple times over the course of the day. And that's seven days a week.

That's the responsible thing to do, particularly with the surge that we're seeing out here and across the country. This thing is literally taking a twist and turn almost on a daily basis.

And if you are not on top of this as an executive, you're not leading.

REID: Yes.

LIGHTFOOT: And you're definitely not protecting your (AUDIO GAP)

REID: And, Dr. Emanuel, quickly to you.

Biden's plan is to have a national mask mandate. If governors refuse them, let mayors issue mandates, demand an aid package from Congress on his desk by the end of January, free COVID vaccines, masks, testing, ramped up PPE.

Evaluate that plan for me, as well as things like what Mayor Lightfoot is doing, because she's also trying to deal with the fact that people have indoor gatherings, and you can't really -- it's difficult to get your arms around them.

I will give you the last word.

EMANUEL: Yes, we do have to reduce the indoor gatherings. We have to reduce the increase of social distancing, limiting the number of people.

And Joe Biden does have a plan. He has a communication strategy, which he embodies every day of adhering to what the experts say. He's going to have the scientists do the briefings. He's got a management plan to address PPE shortages, vaccine, the therapeutics.

He's got a management plan to get funding to the states to roll out all the interventions that they need, to retrofit schools. You heard him talk about that. He's going to go to Congress and make sure there's enough money.

And the other thing you have to know about Joe Biden is, he just doesn't do a plan and then sort of walk away. He's constantly evaluating it, constantly refining it. I saw him during the relief package, the Recovery Act in 2009-2010.

REID: Yes.

EMANUEL: And he was constantly wanting to know, how can we do better? How can we make sure that we're targeting the money to the right people? He is a very practical guy.

REID: Yes.

EMANUEL: And his plan is going to constantly be evolving as this pandemic evolves.

REID: Yes, pragmatic just sounds so wonderful right now. We don't even want exciting, just pragmatic.

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, thank you, guys, both very much.

And, meanwhile, Trump says not to worry about the children who were ripped from their parents' arms at the border, no, no, because they're being so well taken care of.

We will fact-check that straight ahead on THE REIDOUT.


REID: Let us now play for you Joe Biden's most impassioned moment of the debate, a searing response to the hundreds of children, often infants and toddlers, who were separated from their parents at the Southern border because of Donald Trump and his minions, like Stephen Miller.

A warning to our viewers: The exchange you're about to hear contains a lie by Trump, that the Obama administration also separated children, which they did not do.


BIDEN: They got separated from their parents. And it makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation.

KRISTEN WELKER, MODERATOR: Let me ask you a follow-up question.

TRUMP: Kristen, they did it. We changed the policy. They did it. We changed.

WELKER: Your response to that?

BIDEN: We did not separate the


TRUMP: They built the cages. Who built the cages, Joe?

BIDEN: Let's talk about what we're talking about.

WELKER: Who built the cages, Joe?

BIDEN: Let's talk about what we're talking about. What happened?

Parents were ripped -- their kids were ripped from their arms and separated. And now they cannot find over 500 of the sets of those parents, and those kids are alone.

Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. It's criminal. It's criminal.

WELKER: Let me ask you about


TRUMP: Kristen, I will say this. They went down. We brought reporters, everything.

They are so well taken care of. They're in facilities that were so clean.


REID: Let's bring in Paola Ramos, MSNBC contributor and former deputy director of Hispanic media for Hillary Clinton, and Carmen Best, a former Seattle police chief, who joins us for her debut appearance as an MSNBC law enforcement analyst.

Thank you both for being here.

And, Paola, I'm going to go to you first.

We know that 545 children, per NBC's reporting and a lot of other reporting that's been done around the country, are no longer with their parents, and they cannot find their parents, because their parents were probably deported before they were reunited.

Here's Jacob Soboroff fact-checking what Donald Trump, what we just heard Donald Trump saying.


JACOB SOBOROFF, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: He said they were very well taken care of.

But that was not the case at all. What I saw there was little children sitting on concrete floors covered by Mylar blankets supervised by security contractors in a watchtower.

It makes me sick every time I recall it. And Physicians for Human Rights won a Nobel Peace Prize. They called this torture. It meets the U.N. definition of torture.

The American Academy of Pediatrics called it government-sanctioned child abuse.


REID: Torture, child abuse.

And, listen, returning the parents is the most important thing. But I have to ask you about how this is playing out in terms of a vote that's already going on.

As you have been traveling, and as you have been talking with people, how much is this story playing into people's desire to vote and who they're desiring to vote for?

PAOLA RAMOS, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: A lot, right, because I think, when we hear Donald Trump say that children are taken care of, I think, for a lot of Latinos and a lot of immigrant families that are in the United States, they think of the seven migrant children that died under Trump's detention centers, right, children that -- who have last names that sound like ours, right, like Magine, Velasquez, Gutierrez.

So, I think a lot of Latino voters and a lot of families that live in mixed-status families think, if those were white kids, you know, if those were American kids, would we even be talking about this?

And so I think the message of last night is very strong among Latino voters. But, to me, I think the strongest message should be around the white evangelical base that fuels Donald Trump, right, people that think that Donald Trump is a pro-life candidate, right, that Donald Trump is someone that cares about family values, that he is someone that cares about children, right?

When they see that, what do they think about?

REID: Yes.

And then, Chief Best, there was a -- those were the two lies I think that were the most searing, at least for me watching it last night -- well, that one and also the lie about Black Lives Matter, which got under my skin a lot, listening to it.

But Donald Trump also tried to -- he's tried to portray himself as this law and order guy, but that Biden is the one who's had cruelty in his policies and attitudes toward black people.

That was one of the things he did.

I want to read you something that Donald Trump wrote in a -- well had, co -- had written for him, a book that he published in the year 2000, when he was trying to run for president, or thinking about it. He wrote a book called "The America We" -- "An America We Deserve."

And here's what he wrote: "The perpetrator is never a victim." This was in the 1990s.

"He's nothing more than a predator. A life is a life. And if you criminally take an innocent life, you would better be prepared to forfeit your own. My only complaint is that lethal injection is too comfortable a way for these criminals to go. The rest of us need to rethink prisons and punishment. The next time you hear someone saying there are too many people in prison, ask them how many thugs they're willing to relocate to their neighborhood. The answer: none."

Keeping in mind that, plus the Central Park Five, et cetera, what do you make of this law and order message? And how is that playing, actually, even among law enforcement families?

CARMEN BEST, MSNBC LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I think everybody wants to make sure that we have safe neighborhoods, and that there is an element of police service to all people.

But what people are mostly concerned about is making sure that it's not unduly or unfairly impacting any certain group. And I think that most of the discussion that I have heard around Black Lives Matter and law and order is making sure that law enforcement and that people who are engaged in the police service are being fair and ethical and just.

And that is what the real discussion is. Can we have fair and effective policing? Or do we need to redistribute resources or funding in some way, so that communities are safe and feel safe and have confidence in the fact that they're going to be equally protected under the law?

I think that is the most pressing issue. And it's not really a partisan issue, as much as it is a safety issue. And I think that President -- or Vice President Biden, he did promote the 1994 crime bill. However, he's even said that, if he could go back and revisit it, he would make some changes there.

So, I think that, in hindsight, we all recognize that there's more work to be done to promote public safety for everybody, and that filling our prisons with black and brown is not the way to provide public safety.

REID: Yes.

And I just want to note that, in terms of who is being arrested for thuggery, we just saw another Boogaloo Boy arrested for rioting during the George Floyd unrest, burning a police precinct, by the way, during that unrest following the death of George Floyd. His name is 26-year-old Ivan Harrison Hunter, member of the Boogaloo Boys.

But to go back to you, Paola, for just a second, because black and brown voters are sort of always sort of spotlighted as the voters that -- black voters are seen as die-hard Democrats, at least black women are going to come out and vote.

Brown voters, it's slightly different. There's a question of the youth. The average age of Latino voters is younger than most Americans. And so, therefore, they vote like younger people, at lower numbers.

Do you see these issues of law and order and attacks on brown folks and the taking of migrant children changing the dynamic in terms of turnout for brown voters?

RAMOS: So, I think, yesterday, something really important happened that a lot of young Latinos needed to hear, which was an apology, right?

We already mentioned that Vice President Joe Biden said that it was a mistake to support the 1994 crime bill. He also apologized for deporting more than three million immigrants under the Obama/Biden administration. I think that apology, right, that recognition that they did something wrong, that they harmed a lot of Latina families, I think that's very important.

And young Latino voters are already voting. No, we're voting. The numbers indicate that. But I think in order for people to be inspired and believe in change and believe that promises will be kept, I think it starts with a word that people needed to hear, which was, we did something wrong, and we want to make it better.

And I think, yesterday, that was a very, very big moment.

REID: Yes.

I want to thank you both, Paola Ramos, whose mom I used to work with back at -- when I was at TVJ. Your mom, Gina, is amazing. And so it's cool to see you as an adult. I'm very proud of you. Great work.


REID: And, Carmen Best, welcome to the MSNBC family.

To you both, thank you both very much.

Still ahead on THE REIDOUT: We're learning more about the...

BEST: Thank you, Joy. Thank you.

REID: Thank you.

We're learning more about the 47 million Americans who have already voted. And who is turning out to vote might surprise you.

Stay with us.


REID: With 11 days to go until votes are counted, few things can be said with certainty about what will happen on November 3.

But what you can say is that the American people are stepping up big time to fulfill their civic duty. More than 47 million people have already voted. Now, to put that in perspective. That's more than a third of the total number of votes cast in the 2016 election.

And what we're already learning about those voters is even more encouraging. "The Washington Post" points out that, for states where early ballots can be matched against a voter file, roughly one in five votes have come from someone who did not cast a ballot four years ago in the same state.

In Texas, where at least six million people have already voted, 12 percent are voting for the first time. And among the country's millennial voters, who historically have the lowest turnout, their votes are surging in battleground states, compared to this point in 2016, according to a report from Tufts University.

Now, in Florida, more than a quarter-million early votes have been cast, compared to 44,000 votes in 2016. In North Carolina, more than 200,000 votes have been cast, compared to just 25,000 in 2016.

And, in Michigan, more than 145,000 votes have been cast, compared to just 7,500 votes in 2016.

Now, next on THE REIDOUT, the cast of Hulu's "Helstrom," which includes my big sister, will join me to discuss how we can continue to get out the vote and keep this momentum going in this final stretch.



UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: The thing that has got ahold of her, it's stronger.

UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: This family's unnatural behavior, I have never experienced anything like it.

UNIDENTIFIED ACTRESS: What happened to them wasn't some random family tragedy. The father was evil, and mother cursed for discovering the truth.


REID: That was part of the trailer for "Helstrom," the newest Marvel television show on Hulu, featuring someone extremely special to me, my big sister, June Carryl.

I'm joined now by the ladies of "Helstrom," June and her fellow "Helstrom" cast members, Elizabeth Marvel, Sydney Lemmon, Ariana Guerra, to talk about their new show, but also their passion for getting out the vote.

OK, you don't often get a chance to tell your big sister what to do, so I'm going to do it.


REID: June Carryl, give me your elevator pitch for people to turn out to vote.


JUNE CARRYL, ACTRESS: You know the saying whatever you -- whether you believe you can or you can't, you're right?

Well, you can't win if you don't play. The world is big. It can be scary. It is hard to feel like you have a voice. But this is the one thing that you can do that will make you remember and realize that you do have a voice.

So, do it. Speak. Your voice counts, but only if you use it.

REID: Absolutely fabulous.

OK, I'm going to go to Elizabeth Marvel, whose last name is Marvel. Total coincidence.


REID: Give me your elevator pitch.

But if you do it in the voice of mother, I will take off my mic and run out of the room.


REID: No pressure. Go.

ELIZABETH MARVEL, ACTRESS: I won't. I won't. I won't.

So, voting is not only our right. It is our power. Elections have consequences. Your vote matters. So, put on your comfy shoes, get your bottle of water, make sure your cell phone is charged, download "Helstrom" on your Hulu app on your phone, go stand in line to cast your ballot, and watch our show.

REID: Yes.

MARVEL: And let our show the scary thing, not the presidency.


REID: I love this plan. I already binged it, but I could do it again at the polls. I love this idea.

MARVEL: It gets better the second time.

REID: OK, let's go to Sydney Lemmon, who also is -- yes.

Well, Sydney Lemmon also playing a sibling, OK?

So you are not here with Daimon Helstrom, who, low key, is British, so that's where he came from to ruin America.


REID: But it's OK.

Give me your pitch, Sydney, who might be related to Jack Lemmon. Add that if you like. Give me your pitch.



And I'm sure he would agree that voting is one of our greatest rights as Americans, and it's our best opportunity to have our voice heard by policy-makers, who are impacting our everyday lives.

So, whether or not we choose to engage with the system, our system is engaging with us. So, from the health of our planet, all the way to ensuring citizens of every race and gender are treated equally in our justice system, it is the perfect year to involve yourself and vote like the spirit of our country depends on it.

REID: Excellent.

And is -- are you the granddaughter of Jack Lemmon? Is that true?

LEMMON: Yes, he's my grandfather.

REID: OK. Fabulous. What a fabulous family. Invite me to Thanksgiving, except make it virtual.


REID: All right, let's go to Ariana Guerra, who plays a really great character in this, who drove me up the wall every single episode.

And I was like, little -- just let go of Daimon. It ain't going to work out. But it's all good. People have to watch and find out what happened.


REID: Give me your pitch. Give me your pitch, Ariana.


ARIANA GUERRA, ACTRESS: All right, guys, your voice will dictate the direction of this country in terms of how we handle education, health care, sustainability, climate change, our relationship with our foreign allies, and the importance of inclusivity.

As a Latina from a border town and whose grandparents were undocumented farmworkers that came to this country to provide their family with a better life, and who were heavily exploited, and, to this day, we have undocumented construction workers, farmworkers, and essential workers that help this country run, I cannot stress the importance of voting, and remembering that this incredible and powerful country is just that when we uplift everyone, when we promote diversity, and, more than anything, aim to provide every person, no matter what their race is, their gender, their sex, rich or poor, with equal opportunities.

Let your voices be heard, please.

REID: Absolutely fabulous. Really great.

Well, June, I have to ask you.

I mean, we grew up in a house that was very politically minded, our mom, who was also an immigrant to this country, and didn't get to vote, I think until 1976.

Can you just talk about the -- do you have to be into politics to do this? Because a lot of people say, well, I don't want to care about politics. I don't care about it. I just want to watch "Helstrom." I don't want to be involved.


CARRYL: Do you care about the air you breathe? Do you care about your job?

Do you care about whether or not you have health care? You don't have to -- those things are not political.

REID: Yes.

CARRYL: Those are everyday bread-and-butter issues. It's not about politics.

REID: Absolutely.

CARRYL: It's about life as we know it, everyday life.

REID: Amen. June...

CARRYL: That's all.

REID: June Carryl, Elizabeth Marvel, Sydney Lemmon, Ariana Guerra, you guys are brilliant.

Season one of "Helstrom" is streaming right now on Hulu. Don't miss it.

And before we go -- and I want you guys to stay here -- I want to let you guys know about something is going on tomorrow.

But, first I want to say, remember when Donald Trump was going to like rip off his top and show that he had a Superman thing on?


REID: Well, since I have ladies who are from Marvel, to be bipartisan, I'm going to do a Trump.


REID: And I'm going to show that D.C. Comics is also in the house, because that's Batman and Superman.


REID: And, Elizabeth Marvel, I know your name is Marvel, but I apologize to you for that.

And I want to let you guys know that Elect Justice and the streaming service TIDAL are holding a get-out-the-vote event that is geared toward mobilizing black and brown voters.

To find out more about that, head to, which reminds me that my voting MVPs...


REID: Thank you, ladies.

My voting MVPs. Please keep those photos coming. Tweet at me or THE REIDOUT using the hashtag #votingMVPs.

That is tonight's show.

"ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES" starts right now.


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