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Transcript: The ReidOut, December 16, 2020

Guests: Yamiche Alcindor, Al Franken, Ashish Jha, Sam Brodey, Nikema Williams, Bernard Ashby, Anjanette Young, Keenan Saulter


Trump's refusal to concede sparks GOP infighting; GOP Senator Ron Johnson airs election conspiracy theories in controversial hearing; Senate hearing provides platform for conspiracy theories; Democrat Senator Gary Peters says, amplifying false narratives threatens national security and weakens U.S.; Biden announces historic cabinet pick; Biden nominates Pete Buttigieg for transportation secretary; Senate committee holds bizarre hearing on election allegations; Associated Press reports, Trump considering appointing special prosecutor to investigate Biden's son; Biden considering adding Republican to cabinet; Trump allies push unhinged election conspiracy theories; Trump's refusal to concede sparks GOP infighting. Chicago police forced a woman to stand naked and handcuffed as they search her apartment even after learning that they were in the wrong apartment.


BUSTA RHYMES, RAPPER: -- he was doing and --

ARI MELBER, MSNBC HOST: There you go, 100 percent. Thank you, Busta Rhymes.

"THE REIDOUT" starts now.


JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: Donald Trump will be gone in 35 days. The Electoral College delivered the final inconvertible blow to his battle to steal the election from President-elect Joe Biden. Nevertheless, Trump continues to spew his baseless conspiracies about widespread election fraud that doesn't exist. And he continues to lie that he still has a path to victory, which he doesn't.

The only thing Trump has so far succeeded at is inflaming a civil war inside the Republican Party. It's a war that he at least seems to be winning. Take a look at what transpired in the United States Senate today, a display of pure Trumpism, full of conspiracies and lies. Wisconsin Republican Senator Ron Johnson was more than happy to give Trump's false claims an airing in a grievance peddling bizarro world dog and pony show he called a hearing.


SEN. RON JOHNSON (R-WI): This hearing should not be controversial.

Even though courts have handed down decisions and the Electoral College has awarded Joe Biden 306 electoral votes, a large percentage of the American public does not believe the November election results are legitimate. This is not a sustainable state of affairs in our democratic republic.

Today we will hear testimony on how election laws in some cases were not enforced and how fraudulent voting did occur, as it always does.


REID: Johnson didn't provide any evidence to back that up because there is none. And not one single court agreed with that assessment. But, unsurprisingly, Donald Trump thought Johnson did an excellent job as opposed to, say, Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell who, for once, mustered the temerity to stick his neck out and admit, yes, Trump lost. And that prompted Trump to whine, Mitch, too soon to give up. Republican Party must finally learn to fight.

But just to be clear, Ron Johnson and the Republican-led homeland security committee devoted nearly four hours to hearing fantasies out of a MAGA fever dream and not the massive Russian cyber attack on multiple federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, which Johnson's committee oversees. Of course, the eternally Kremlin-friendly Donald Trump has also not said one word about that Russian attack.

Here on earth One meanwhile, the Homeland Security Committee's top Democrat Michigan's Gary Peters ethered Johnson for playing Trump's useful idiot by pushing claims that undermine our democracy.


SEN. GARY PETERS (D-MI): The president and many of his supporters are, unfortunately, continuing their efforts to undermine the will of the people, disenfranchise voters and sow the seeds of mistrust and discontent to further their partisan desire for power. Whether intended or not, this hearing gives a platform to conspiracy theories and lies.

Amplifying these obviously false narratives about fraud or irregularities corrodes public trust. It threatens national security. It weakens our democracy and our standing around the world.


REID: Joe Biden on the other hand is still plugging along doing the work, filling out his incoming cabinet, including announcing a historic pick today.


JOE BIDEN, U.S. PRESIDENT-ELECT: The Biden/Harris cabinet will be a historic cabinet, a cabinet that looks like America, a cabinet that taps into the best of America, a cabinet that is opening doors and breaking down barriers.

And today I'm proud to nominate its newest member. For secretary of transportation, I nominate Mayor Pete Buttigieg.


REID: Buttigieg could become the first openly gay person to be Senate confirmed as a cabinet member. And despite the long delayed acknowledgment of Biden's victory by many Republicans, the gilded old party could soon be getting a gift from Biden in a cabinet in the form of a commerce secretary who is one of their own.

According to Axios, Biden is eyeing some well known Republicans as a signal to red state Americans that he understands their concerns, a move of bipartisan generosity, I will note, that only Democratic presidents seemed to keep making, which is hardly ever reciprocated by the other side.

I'm now joined by former Senator Al Franken, Host of the Al Franken podcast, Yamiche Alcindor, White House Correspondent for PBS NewsHour, and Charlie Sykes, Editor-at-large of The Bulwark.

I want to go to you first, Yamiche. We've got Joe Biden on the one hand offering to give Republicans commerce secretary which, you know, puts them in control of the relationship with American businesses, which I'm not so sure meat packing workers are going to be super excited about a Republican who doesn't believe in regulation being in charge of that, or they don't generally believe in things like the minimum wage but, okay, Biden is willing to give them that.

Meanwhile, on the Trump side, he is asking for a special prosecutor for Hunter Biden. He is going to keep fighting his old scores. This is from the Associated Press. Trump is still weighing his options, considering whether to pressure Rosen, who is the new attorney general, the sit-in, to make a special counsel appointment or if needed to replace the acting attorney general with someone more likely to carry out his wishes. He has even asked his team of lawyers, including his personal attorney, Rudy Guiliani, to look into whether the president has the power to appoint a special counsel himself. That's what he's doing with the last 35 days of his power.

How much more of this per your reporting are we going to get, how much more score settling?

YAMICHE ALCINDOR, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, PBS NEWSHOUR: From my understanding, we're going to get more score settling, and it depends on how much people at the White House can rein President Trump in. We're now seeing that he is openly thinking about firing the FBI director, Chris Wray. There is reporting that the White House counsel said you should not do that because it would create the perception of a loyalty test. When, of course, if you've been watching the Trump campaign and Trump administration, you realize the president wants people around him that are loyal and has blurred the lines between the White House and the criminal justice system in this country through the DOJ and the FBI in a way no other president has.

So the president, in some ways, is vengeful. He is living in Earth Two still, not wanting to really fully grasp the idea that he has lost, that these are the waning days of his presidency while at the same time acknowledging that his power is going to be gone soon so he wants to try to do as much score settling as possible as he does this.

And I think you bring up the fact that President-elect Biden is looking at having Republicans in his cabinet. This is going to be the challenge of a Joe Biden presidency. He is going to be reaching across the aisle. He's going to be trying to be bipartisan. But he has a base of Democrats who want him to spike the football, who want to say, look, these are the people who separated immigrant children, who did all sorts of things that Democrats found to be appalling, unconscionable at times, but he wants to be someone who wants to reach out a hand and say, let's all unify. That is a tall order, a tall challenge but Joe Biden is saying it's what he wants to do.

REID: You know, Senator Franken, this is the thing, I think, that bugs a lot of base Democrats about the party, to be honest with you. You've got Joe Biden reaching his hand across and the other side waiting to bite it off and that is what they do. You've got The Daily Beast's Sam Stein who wrote a really smart tweet about this saying that, unless the person that Biden plans to nominate is named Susan Collins or Richard Burr, basically people who are in seats that can be filled by a Democratic governor, then I'm not sure what the upside is for Biden. The plaudits he gets from nominating a Republican are ephemeral at best. The added risk is it underscores the degree to which cabinet choices are being made on basis of perception.

Why do Democrats keep doing this?

FMR. SEN. AL FRANKEN (D-MN): I hope it is Richard Burr or Susan Collins so we can pick up a Senate seat because we got the right governors there. Look, contrast this to the people Trump picked. There is no comparison. He is picking competent, experienced people. Today Pete -- Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who -- you know, transportation is very important. In South Bend, what he did there, he's part of a climate team, really. He's a great, going to be a great spokesman for infrastructure.

We have to do infrastructure. I think that is something we can do together. But just compare this cabinet to who President-elect Biden has just compared to Betsy DeVos. I mean, come on, you know? These are -- Gina McCarthy today, just a great pick. These are great picks here.

REID: No, I understand. He could pick like the worst Republican elected official in the world and it wouldn't be as bad as Wilbur Ross, who is basically Mr. Burns from The Simpsons. So I get it, that Biden's picks are at least adults that are competent and they are human beings, but, I mean, I just feel like it is the attitude that Democrats go into governing with which is we're going to find a way to work with them.

And Republicans go into governing with the attitude of let's destroy them. We're going to destroy them. We're going to destroy them and take all their power. It is just a different mindset.

And I don't know if you believe -- you know Joe Biden. Can he actually pull this off? Because the other side is not willing to play bipartisan, they just want to destroy the Democratic Party and take all the power.

FRANKEN: I have to agree with how pernicious the Republican Party is today and has been for a long time. But I'm not sure there's anything you can really do about that. And, unfortunately, it's become Trump's party and I think it may continue to be. I don't know. I'm probably not the best person to predict the part of that.

I thought Trump was done when he said I don't like people -- I like people who weren't (INAUDIBLE). And so I don't know, but it seems like this could be -- what Mitch McConnell did today, it was a disgrace to wait until now. It was an absolute disgrace. He's a disgrace. The House Democrats, the House passed a COVID relief bill in May. People have been suffering. We have tripled food insecure. People are (INAUDIBLE). This is unconscionable. And I don't know how you deal with these people. I really don't.

REID: I 100 percent agree. And, Charlie, I am so glad you're here, because you have spent a long time in conservative media. And I think that people think the reason that Republicans act the way they do is simply because of ideology, but it is also because of a bottom line, of the money that you can make feeding off people's, particularly racial anxieties. It is very lucrative. Your fellow panelist, Al Franken, wrote a book called Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot, about the way that he has been able to milk grievance and whininess for decades to make money.

I want to let you listen to a montage of some other folks that are making a good deal of money playing off of Trump voters' fears and, you know, refusal to accept reality. Take a listen.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: The most popular politician apparently in the history of mankind, that guy, or so we are told, he held a rally today. One itsy bitsy little teensy weensy problem is the rally was in a mostly empty warehouse with a parking lot with a few cars with very few people. It even makes me doubt his so-called record breaking vote total.

MARIA BARTIROMO, FOX NEWS HOST: An intel source telling me that President Trump did, in fact, win the election. He says that it is up to the Supreme Court to hear suits from other cases across the country to stop the clock.

LOU DOBBS, FOX NEWS HOST: There would exist at least the mathematical possibility that President Trump could be named the constitutionally elected president.


REID: I mean, Charlie, those people sound bananas to most people but they also control a lot of voters' belief systems and thoughts so they can sell them MyPillow. And so they have a financial incentive to keep this going. And they then sort of control the Republicans. Ron Johnson has to run for re-election with those people that watch Lou Dobbs and think that there is a secret intelligence source that talks to Maria Bartiromo. That's who his voters are. That's who Rand Paul's voters are. Of course, they're up in two years. They're going to do the chicanery. How do you get out of it?

CHARLIE SYKES, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well, first of all, I wish it was just about the money because then, of course, you could deal with it, but I think it runs a lot deeper. I mean, you're seeing a delusion running into derangement there. And I agree with what Senator Franken said about Mitch McConnell. I think it was way too late for him to acknowledge this. He basically allowed a month for these conspiracy theories to spread and these doubts and for Donald Trump to engage in his anti-democratic clown coup.

But having said that, there is going to be an interesting civil war in the Republican Party between the merely Trumpy and the completely crazy. And very clear Donald Trump is going with the completely crazy. He is going to go with the Lou Dobbs as opposed to even Fox News. And if you think things were bad, things are about to get worse that you have the president embracing QAnon, you have the president watching this hearing and cheering on false information.

So what Mitch McConnell is saying to the Republicans, okay, we've done our Trump thing at least for now but do not continue this. I mean, this is an interesting moment with Mitch McConnell telling the senators don't -- on January 6th, do not try to force this ridiculous, delusional and self-defeating floor fight against it. So it is going to be interesting to see who lines up on what side.

Look, I think this is probably Donald Trump's party forever. Maybe nothing ever mattered. Maybe he will continue his death grip. But it's interesting that right now in the Republican Party, you do have at least some people pushing back on him saying, how crazy and nutty are you going to be? But Donald Trump is right now insisting that as an act of loyalty, as a litmus test that Republicans embrace the craziest notions, including, as you point out, these charges of fraud that are completely without any basis and fact.

REID: Then I have to ask you this question. You know Ron Johnson. You were there for his come up. He's up in 2022. Doesn't he have to join in this Mo Brooks insanity? Doesn't he have to be that senator? He has to run for re-election with a whole lot of people who spend all their time watching Lou Dobbs voting in his state.

SYKES: Okay. Mo Brooks is from Alabama. This is Wisconsin up here. So we're very, very different place. Look, I've known Ron Johnson for a long time and I've been asked this question how did Ron Johnson become Ronanon (ph) and I honestly don't know. I don't think this is a politically smart move for him because if you go into a coffee shop in Oshkosh or Waukesha, Wisconsin, I honestly don't think people are wishing that their senior senator was worried about Hunter Biden's laptop or, you know, concerned about the latest -- or spreading Russian disinformation or holding ridiculous hearings like the one today or the one last week where he gave oxygen to anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists.

So I'm not sure that this is the genius political move that some people might imagine because, look, Al Franken understands, I think, that Minnesota and Wisconsin are not the same as other parts of the country. We actually want people to be a little bit not crazy (INAUDIBLE), I hope.

REID: We'll see. Former Senator Al Franken, Yamiche Alcindor, Charlie Sykes, thank you all very much.

Up next on THE REIDOUT, we'll see, we want them infected. Can you believe that? We want them infected. That is an actual quote from a top Trump employee at the Department of Health and Human Services who repeatedly pushed for herd immunity in newly released internal emails. The official also made clear that the Trump administration knew its policies would result in an increase in virus cases. Unbelievable.

Meanwhile in Georgia, Republican Senator Kelly Loeffler's mansion dropped $6 million in value overnight and no one can explain why.

Plus, shocking body cam footage of a Chicago police raid on the wrong apartment. Why was a woman forced to stand naked as police searched her house even after they knew it was the wrong address?

THE REIDOUT continues after this.



REBEKAH JONES, FORMER FLORIDA HEALTH DEPARTMENT SCIENTIST: I was fired back in May for refusing to actually change numbers and make the state look like it was ready to reopen, when, by our own metrics, it was not.

I was one of many sources in "The Sun Sentinel" here in Florida that showed that the DeSantis administration had ordered Department of Health employees across the entire state not to even mention COVID-19 in the weeks leading up to the election, even though cases were increasing quickly.


REID: Fired data scientist Rebekah Jones told us last night about her suspicions that Florida was manipulating its coronavirus data.

Less than an hour later, "The South Florida Sun-Sentinel" came out with investigation showing that an astonishing pattern has emerged in Florida's COVID death tally, one that suggests the state manipulated a backlog of unrecorded fatalities, presenting more favorable death counts in the days leading up to the 2020 presidential election.

But it's not just Florida.

Today, the chairman of the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus, James Clyburn, released a memo showing political interference in the national coronavirus response. The report says that top Trump administration officials repeatedly communicated about pursuing a dangerous herd immunity strategy as far back as June 2020.

The Trump administration was aware its policies would not only fail to stop the spread of the virus, but would lead to an increase in cases -- quote -- "There is no other way. We need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high-risk groups to expose themselves to the virus."

The memo also includes an e-mail from an HHS senior adviser that urged colleagues to suppress scientific information about the risk posed by the virus to minority communities that he admitted was very accurate, out of concern that it would be used against the president.

I'm joined now by Dr. Bernard Ashby, Miami-based cardiologist and Florida state lead for the Committee to Protect Medicare, and Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health.

And, Dr. Jha, I'm going to go to you first.

This is the memo, for those of you who can -- you can see that on the screen. Here it is. This is the memo that's come out today. And I just want to read a little bit of it, which is some of the most, I mean, frightening things I have ever read.

And both "The Rachel Maddow Show" and this show, we have been talking about the -- sort of the evidence, right, that there's been a herd immunity strategy, but it was circumstantial, until now. Here it is.

"There is no other way" -- as I read before. "We need to establish herd. It only comes about allowing non-high-risk groups to expose themselves to the virus, period. We continue the public health message of proper hygiene, handwashing, protecting elderly at your homes and nursing care facility, social justice and so on, but we go on and let our societies open up fully now."

That's in all caps.

"If the hospitalizations occur in young, and they get severe illness, then that's a different story. And we will then have a huge mess on our hands and real nightmare. But that's not the case as of now."

One more bit: "Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle-aged with no conditions, et cetera, have zero to little risk. So, we use them. We use them to develop herd. We want them infected. We want them infected and recovered with antibodies."

Dr. Jha, that's some of the scariest stuff I have ever read. That apparently was the official policy, at least the policy in memos, of our government. Your response?


It's pretty stunning. And it makes me think of a few things. First of all, there are a group of people, Scott Atlas certainly one of them, the White House adviser, but others who have advocated this strategy of kind of let it rip and let -- get lots of people infected.

By most calculations, we would have potentially many, many times the number of people that as we already have right now. So, this seemed to be what they were doing. And they were having this debate, when no serious person in public health actually thought this was a reasonable strategy.

It is stunning to see it actually written down and argued in this way. But it confirms a lot of suspicions that many of us had, that this is not the way to control this pandemic.

REID: And that it was not accidental, and it was not just incompetence, Dr. Ashby.

In your state, in the state of Florida, my former state, you had the governor there demanding that schools reopens, saying, you can't even make them cyber, open them all, opening Disney World, opening bars, saying, everyone, go to the beach, telling people to basically go on and live your lives, go to the bar, knowing people would get infected.

This expose in "The Sun-Sentinel" suggests that he was pursuing the same strategy. Talk about how dangerous that would be, because they're also apparently saying, but don't tell people how many minorities are catching it, because that would look bad for the president.

DR. BERNARD ASHBY, COMMITTEE TO PROTECT MEDICARE: What's happening, Joy? So, standard Florida greetings for you.

But, listen, this is part of a pattern that we have seen from the beginning, where the Trump administration and DeSantis, basically his Mini Me, expressed that they preferred to protect the economy over lives.

And they framed it as a mutually exclusive thing. And we understand that it's not mutually exclusive. If they simply did their job, our economy would be thriving and people will still be alive.

And so, from the beginning of the pandemic, when they didn't report hospitalizations proactively, and delayed that, so we had no idea what the actual hospitalization count was, to the time now, where we're talking about delaying the reporting of the deaths, it's part of a consistent pattern.

And now DeSantis has essentially prevented other mayors and leaders of municipalities from doing anything to restrict the virus. And so he says he's not pursuing herd immunity, but his actions speak louder than words. And so the rhetoric that he's saying doesn't square with what he's doing.

And we can attribute hundreds of deaths in the state of Florida to his specific policies, because he doesn't think, DeSantis doesn't think in scientific terms. He thinks in very political terms, economic terms, and doesn't really understand the complexities of the science.

And, unfortunately, it has led to unnecessary deaths.

REID: And you can see the death count there. We put it on screen. It's over a million cases.

And, Dr. Jha, you had what looked like an attempt to get lots of people infected, lots of rallies without masks, lots of parties, lots of in-White House events. We -- at the time, you could have said this is just stupidity. But now it just looks deliberate. Let's get a lot of people sick, because they didn't care that the count potentially could have been millions of people.

We're talking two, four, five, six million people you would need to infect to get herd immunity. They seemed OK with that.

JHA: Yes, there's a mental kind of almost mind-set that these folks had that, if you're not over 70, that somehow this virus is totally benign, that it's not going to cause any harm.

Now, we know that that's not true. They have just ignored that data. And that's been the whole Great Barrington Declaration, all of those documents that have suggested we need to protect the vulnerable. But here's the other part of it, Joy. They claim -- they said, protect the vulnerable, let everybody else get infected.

But they never did much to protect the vulnerable. And so what we're seeing now is, there are lots of infections happening across the country. Lots of people are getting sick and dying. And we always knew this was going to be a failed strategy, and we're seeing the effects of it. And we really have to change course.

And I suspect we will under a new Biden team.

REID: Yes, here's hoping.

And thank you both for being here, Dr. Ashish Jha and Dr. Bernard Ashby.

I think both of our family members would say this is pure foolishness, pure foolishness, and deadly foolishness, unfortunately.

Both of you, thank you both. Have a great evening.

And, meanwhile, why did Kelly Loeffler -- that's a pretty stunning story. Sorry.

Why did Kelly Loeffler's $10 million mansion -- we just keep on giving you stunning stuff -- lose $6 million in value overnight? Poof.

Stay with us.


REID: Early voting in the Georgia run-off, which will determine the control of the United States Senate, is shattering records.

And while it's only been a few weeks since Election Day, there's been story after story after story about corruption and ethics issues that both Republican Senate candidates, appointed Senator Kelly Loeffler and incumbent Senator David Perdue, continue to face, including today's Daily Beast report, which reveals that the value of Loeffler's Atlanta mansion dropped $6 million overnight in 2016.

And no one can explain why. The estate went from a $10.5 million appraisal to $4.1 million, resulting in a much lower tax bill for the senator and her husband.

The report states that there is no indication that Loeffler or her husband acted improperly. However, several Georgia-based property tax and real estate experts told The Daily Beast that the decline in the mansion's value was very unusual.

I'm joined now by Sam Brodey, author of that piece and congressional reporter for The Daily Beast, and representative-elect Nikema Williams of Georgia.

Thank you both for being here.

And, Sam, I'm going to go to you first.

When I read your story that talked about Kelly Loeffler putting hundreds of thousands of dollars in renovations into her property -- and anyone who's watched HGTV like once knows that, when you put -- when you do renos, it actually increases the value of your property. Yet the value of her property declined sharply.

And I will tell you what I thought of immediately when -- after I read your story. This is Michael Cohen. And this was his testimony to Congress. Take a listen.


MICHAEL COHEN, FORMER ATTORNEY/FIXER FOR DONALD TRUMP: It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in "Forbes," and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.


REID: Sam, that's what it sounded like to me. Do you have evidence that that may be what Kelly Loeffler was doing?

SAM BRODEY, THE DAILY BEAST: No, so we don't necessarily have any evidence that Kelly Loeffler or her husband took any specific action to generate this huge reduction in their property tax bill.

This is a decision that's made by the Board of Assessors in Fulton County, which is home to Atlanta. But we do have evidence that the decision that the Board of Assessors made in Fulton County was just really, really unusual.

As you noted, we spoke to a number of experts on this stuff here in Atlanta and elsewhere, who all said that to see a drop in valuation of 60 percent from one home to the next is really, really unusual.

Something to keep in mind, too, is, as you noted, they did renovations to the property. Their neighbors didn't see any similar reductions in the values of their homes. And the Atlanta property market at this time was absolutely surging. Homes like that were not seeing drops of $6 million. They were seeing increases.

So, there's a lot of questions about how the county handled this. And they weren't able to give us an answer. We inquired, and they said, we don't really have an answer. They informed us that the people who were in leadership at the office at this time all do not work there anymore.

We got our hands on the documents where the county is supposed to sort of show their work. And it really doesn't make any sense.

REID: How much money did she and her husband, who I should note for everyone is the chair -- is the CEO of the New York Stock Exchange. So they're already rich. So, all the things that she's been accused of that make her richer, she didn't need the money. Like, she's rich.

How much money did they save in taxes?

BRODEY: So, they saved $110,000 in property taxes their first year, and then -- this change happened in 2016. Their home since then has not come even close to the initial value of $10.5 million that it once had.

So, I mean, it saved them somewhere around half-a-million dollars in the last five years. I mean, this is one of the wealthy -- or one of the most valuable, rather, properties in the entire city of Atlanta, a huge generator of tax revenue for the county in the property sphere.

So it's just unusual that a drop like this would occur. We were told -- got various theories from experts on this, who said a number of things could have happened. It could have been a mistake. Somebody could have changed it. They could have done a review, which is, again, odd, because this was the only house to see a drop like this.

But the only thing we really do know is that whatever happened on the county side, two of the wealthiest people in Atlanta got an enormous tax break on their -- on their home.

REID: It deprived Atlanta and the state of Georgia of tax revenue that could help pay for schools in Atlanta. I just think we should note that.

Representative Williams, this sounds for all the world like corruption. It just does. I don't -- there is no explanation for it. I think it's important that we clarified the scope of what Sam Brodey was able to find.

But, as an election official, what do you make of the fact that at least $100,000 -- at least 500,000 or so dollars in tax revenue was -- was lost to the state of Georgia?

NIKEMA WILLIAMS (D), GEORGIA CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT: Joy, I think, when people show you who they are, we should believe them.

And we have seen time and time again that, even at the brink of this pandemic, Kelly Loeffler looked out for herself, her own stock portfolio, and lined her own pockets, instead of looking out for the best interests of everyday Georgians.

And this just tracks in the same playbook. And so I know that, when everybody else was prepping and trying to buy toilet paper and getting ready for the pandemic, I was getting my son, who's a student in Atlanta Public Schools, who could have used that additional revenue in our school system.

She was not looking out for the best interest of everyday Georgians, but for herself. So, this is in line with who she shown us that she is.

REID: You know, there are two kinds of politicians. There is a kind of like you. You're in the seat of the great -- late, great John Lewis, who was truly a public servant.

And there are people who seem to use the seat to enrich themselves and help themselves out and who have really questionable sort of relationships to democracy.

I want to play you Kelly Loeffler asked whether or not Biden -- Joe Biden is the president-elect.

Take a listen.


REPORTER: Have you acknowledged that Biden is going to be the president?

SEN. KELLY LOEFFLER (R-GA): Look, the president has a right to every legal recourse. That's what's playing out right now.

REPORTER: But have you acknowledged that Biden is going to be president?

LOEFFLER: Look, my focus is on winning this race right now.

REPORTER: Have you ever acknowledged Biden is going to be president?

LOEFFLER: Look, there will be a time for that if that becomes true but, you know, the president has a right to every legal recourse and we're letting that play out right now.


REID: If that becomes true.

I'll give you the last word on that, Representative Williams.

REP.-ELECT NIKEMA WILLIAMS (D), GEORGIA: Republicans in Georgia continue to live in a fantasy land, Joy. The Electoral College met on Monday. I'm one of the proud 16 electors from Georgia and we delivered our 16 electoral college votes for Joe Biden and my soror Kamala Harris. The people have spoken and it doesn't matter if Kelly acknowledges it or not.

REID: I saw you got the soror in there. My best friend is an AKA and y'all AKAs are going to be impossible to live with over the next four years because you guys got your girl.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Congresswoman-elect Nikema Williams and Sam Brody, great reporting.

Thank you very much.

And up next, shocking body camera footage out of Chicago. You're not going to want to miss this. Police forced a woman to stand naked and handcuffed as they search her apartment even after learning that they were in the wrong apartment. That woman, Anjanette Young, joins me next.


REID: For nearly two years, the local CBS affiliate in Chicago has been trying to uncover and document the Chicago police department's pattern of raiding the homes of innocent people. Their investigation uncovered police body cam video of the following horrifying scene shot in February of 2019.

In it, Anjanette Young, a 50-year-old social worker had just returned home from work. As she was getting ready for bed, dozens of police officers burst into her home. After announcing they had a search warrant looking for a suspect with a gun. Naked and handcuffed, she was left terrified and without answers for nearly 30 minutes.

I should warn you what happens in this video is really difficult to watch.


POLICE: Go, go, go! Police! Police! Go, go!


Don't move. Don't move.

Back, back. Go, go, go. Move it. Move it. Hey. Hands up. Hands up.

ANJANETTE YOUNG, VICTIM OF CHICAGO PD RAID ON WRONG APARTMENT: You got the wrong house. I live alone. Can I please cal somebody? Wait a minute, what are you doing?

I have to call somebody. This is not right. I don't even know what you're doing.


REID: Ultimately, the police realized that they had the wrong address. That video is the subject of current litigation as the city of Chicago tried to block its release.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot who was elected two months after the incident took place in 2019 has faced fierce criticism for her office's role in keeping that video private.

Today, Mayor Lightfoot said she was first made aware of the incident yesterday and that what happened to Ms. Young was unacceptable.


MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT (D), CHICAGO: This is serious business and what happened to Ms. Young should not have happened. I watch that video in absolute horror.

I showed it to my wife. We both thought about what could happen to us if we were in her circumstances. Why there's been such a visceral reaction is because we as black women put ourselves in her place. How can we not?

I want to look at all these cases, all these pending search warrant cases. And if we got it wrong, we're going to make it right.


REID: It's not the first time the city of Chicago has been criticized for a lack of transparency by a long shot. The former Mayor Rahm Emanuel fought to keep secret a dashcam video showing a white police officer shooting a black teenager named Laquan McDonald 16 times. A judge ultimately ordered the release of that video.

After a quick break, Anjanette Young will join me to share her story of the shocking raid on her home.



YOUNG: You've got the wrong place. Nobody has ever been here. I'm standing here naked. You got the wrong place! You got the wrong place! This is harassment (ph).


REID: I'm joined now by Anjanette Young, whose home was wrongly raided by the Chicago police, as well as her lawyer, Keenan Saulter.

Thank you both for being here. We really, really appreciate your responding to our request to be here.

And, Ms. Young, first of all, I -- I have to tell you as I watched that video, all that went through my mind was Breonna Taylor, Breonna Taylor, Breonna Taylor. Like you hold your breath waiting for the gunshots unfortunately, because that's the world sort of that we live in when it comes to policing as a black woman and at home alone.

I want to make the audience clear that you wanted those scenes to be shown, right? You wanted this video to be out. Is that correct?

YOUNG: Yes, I absolutely wanted the video to be out. It's been two years and my attorney has been fighting with the city about this case and they've done nothing to address it.

And so, I wanted the video out. I wanted everyone to see just how terribly was treated in this incident.

REID: And I just want to make that point because a reporter did ask Mayor Lightfoot today, you know, it's very clear that you filed a FOIA request, Freedom of Information Act request of this video last year and it was denied. She said my understanding is different but I'll have my folks look at it. That's part of the dispute.

Did you file a Freedom of Information request asking for this video?

YOUNG: I absolutely did and I have -- I have the document and followed all the procedures and went to the website and submitted my information. They even responded to me, stating that they needed additional time and then responded back saying that they could not provide it to me because it was an ongoing investigation.

REID: Got you.

So, let's just talk about what actually happened. You're home alone. You hear this banging at the door. They burst in. We saw what happened after that.

At some point, did you get the sense these officers who were standing around, a bunch of men standing a round you as you're nude realized they'd screwed up?

YOUNG: I think they realized they had screwed up as in what they were expecting on the other side of the door wasn't what was actually there. But I also don't think they gave any thought to, you know, now that we're in here and this is, this woman is nude and this is what we have, I don't believe that they gave any thought to adjusting what they were doing to protect me in any type of way.

REID: Right. The thought -- the sight of you standing there without your clothes on and them sort of throwing a blanket or coat over you but not really paying attention to make sure it stayed up, knowing this is all filmed on their body cameras can you just convey, because it doesn't seem like these officers understood how humiliating that can feel.

Can you just convey how that felt to be in that moment for 30 minutes?

YOUNG: In that very moment, I was terrified. I tell people that I was scared into compliance. I was afraid to move. Because in that moment, I thought if I did anything out of the ordinary, that they would shoot me. I mean, the guns were pointed and drawn and I was fearful for my life.

And I actually thought that if I made any type of wrong move, that they would shoot me. So to, you know, have them standing there kind of ignoring me as a person, I don't think they cared that their body cam was recording that I was nude. It didn't feel like any man in there cared anything about me as a woman or a female.

You know, they didn't even view me as in this could be my mom or my sister or my cousin or any female that they cared about. They didn't care about what was happening to me.

REID: That came through.

Mr. Saulter, at one point, Ms. Young asked, how can this be legal?


REID: I'll ask the same question. How can this be legal?

SAULTER: Well, thank you for having us, Joy. The issue becomes a warrant can be issued based on bad information. And that's what happened here.

So, sometimes mistakes do occur but the issue we have when we get into the house is once they encounter Ms. Young, she told them, no less than 43 times they were at the wrong place. They didn't view her as a human being so the law requires that even while executing a validly issued warrant that you do so reasonably.

A reasonable human being, a reasonable police officer would have thought after they saw this woman completely naked, let's allow her to get dressed. There are 12 of us here.

One of us or two of us can follow her into her bedroom, slightly turn our heads. We have already searched. They had searched the entire apartment. There's pretty much one officer per 100 square foot. They searched the entire town house within probably a minute or two after their entry.

They don't ask her her name until about 35 or 40 minutes into the video. I contend they didn't view her as a human being until they asked her what her name was. That is just -- that is just unacceptable.

REID: Can I ask you a question? Were they looking for a black woman of Ms. Young's description?

SAULTER: Not even close, Ms. Reid. I mean, they were looking for someone -- the ridiculous aspect of this is the person they were looking for was actually on electronic monitoring from the Illinois Department of Correction. A simple Google search in the police cruisers could have solved the entire situation.

That warrant was issued at 10:00 in the morning. They purposely waited until the cover of darkness to break into her home and violate her privacy. And there was no need for that.

They claimed they were looking for one handgun, some ammunition, and some drugs. That's what they claimed they're looking for. They sent an entire tactical team in there as they were looking for a terrorist.

REID: Ms. Young, we know that the city of Chicago is pretty notorious, their police department is. And not just from Rahm Emanuel, just happened for decades. The NPR reported that an analysis of Chicago's own law enforcement data shows the city has paid out more than half a billion for police misconduct, meaning they'd rather pay a lot of money than just reform this department.

What do you want to see happen now?

YOUNG: I want -- I would like to see accountability first and foremost, accountability for the officers who came to my home, for the officers who viewed me less than human, who videoed me being naked.

And especially the one guy I think he was a commander or the guy that was leading, he was yelling at me. You need to calm down.

You don't have to yell at me. Not even understanding the magnitude of what I'm experiencing at this point and why I'm visibly upset. Why am I yelling at you? I'm rightfully yelling at you because you are ignoring everything that I've said over the last 20 minutes.

So I would like to see some accountability for every single officer that was in my house that night. What is that accountability?

REID: Absolutely.

YOUNG: I'm not really sure. But I want acknowledgment. I want -- I would like to see change. I'm a social worker by profession.

REID: Absolutely. And I think all of America wants the same thing for you.

Anjanette Young, thank you so much for being here. And I'm so sorry for what you went through. Keenan Saulter, thank you very much.

That is tonight's REIDOUT.



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