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Transcript: The ReidOut, 2/11/2021

Guest: Amy Klobuchar, Adam Schiff, Kurt Bardella, Angela Rye, Jill Wine- Banks

Summary:

House managers conclude final day of arguments. Republican governors

speak out against Trump. Several GOP senators meet with Trump`s defense

team. Rioters say, Trump says to go home because we won. Republicans urge

Trump to make it stop. Managers tie Trump`s rhetoric to increasing threats.

Rioter predicts there will be blood running out of Capitol. House managers

outline Trump`s pattern and practice of inciting violence.

Transcript:

ARI MELBER, MSNBC HOST: Incriminating evidence from the man on trial

himself.

Tomorrow, our special coverage continues including, Trump`s lawyers`

rebuttals to what you just saw there. You can always find me online

@arimelber on social media. Indeed, I`ve been live tweeting parts of this

very trial. THE REIDOUT with Joy Reid starts now.

JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, everyone, and welcome to THE REIDOUT.

Just hours ago, House impeachment managers concluded their second and final

day of arguments, closing the book on what under normal circumstances would

be an open and shut case. They presented compelling evidence that, among

other things, highlighted Donald Trump`s lack of remorse following the

historically awful events of January 6th, and in what perhaps was an

example of a triumph of hope over reality they implored the Senate to hold

him accountable by convicting and disqualifying him from ever holding

office again.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): President Trump declared his conduct totally

appropriate. So if he gets back into office and it happens again, we`ll

have no one to blame but ourselves.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Now, conviction, I should point out, is a feat that would require 17

Republicans to do the unthinkable and turn on Donald Trump. But,

undeterred, the House managers remained in place, try to do it, like

yesterday`s visceral, almost cinematic presentation, they used video to

show case that Trump has a long, long history of inciting and sanctioning

violence against his political opponents and they established through his

prior conduct that Trump was well aware that his words would have an effect

on some of his most extreme followers. Here are just some of their

arguments from today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RASKIN: January 6th was not some unexpected radical break from his normal

law-abiding and peaceful disposition. This was his state of mind. This was

his essential M.O.

REP. DAVID CICILLINE (D-RI): Senators, simply put, this mob was trying to

overthrow our government and they came perilously close to reaching the

first three people in line to the presidency.

REP. DIANA DEGETTE (D-CO): This was not the first time that President Trump

inspired violence, but it must be the last time that he`s given a platform

to do so.

REP. JOAQUIN CASTRO (D-TX): Let us show the world that January 6th was not

America and let us remind the world that we are truly their North Star.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Moreover, they seized upon what Donald Trump didn`t do as the violent

siege unfolded on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. JOE NEGUSE (D-CO): He cared more about pressing his efforts to

overturn the election than he did about saving lives, our lives.

On January 6th, he didn`t condemn the attack, he didn`t condemn the

attackers, didn`t say that he would send help to defend us or defend law

enforcement. He didn`t react to the violence with shock or horror or

dismay, as we did. Instead, he issued messages in the afternoon that sided

with them, the insurrectionists.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: The prosecution also showed that, in stark contrast with Trump`s

defenders in the Senate, Republican governors swiftly and immediately

blamed Trump for inciting the violence of that day.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. SPENCER COX (R-UT): People have to be held accountable and, yes, that

includes the president.

GOV. CHARLIE BAKER (R-MA): His remarks during and after the travesty of the

attack on the Capitol were disgraceful.

GOV. LARRY HOGAN (R-MD): It`s clear it me that President Trump has

abandoned his sacred oath.

GOV. PHIL SCOTT (R-VT): The fact these flames of hate and insurrection were

lit by the president of the United States will be remembered as one of the

darkest chapters in our nation`s history.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Joining me now is MSNBC Capitol Hill Correspondent Garrett Haake.

And, Garrett, probably the most shocking thing that I`ve heard today was

that despite all of these, you know, sort of really visceral information

that was being delivered by the House managers, including hearing lots and

lots of Republicans, you know, supporters of the president, people like

Chris Christie and Republican members of Congress and Adam Kinzinger and

other people condemning the attacks, former cabinet member saying he could

have stopped this, with that kind of presentation, even hearing their own

friends talking, from what I`m hearing Republicans just ignored it, walked

out and didn`t stay for the presentation. Just how much of this

presentation did these people even say and listen to?

GARRETT HAAKE, MSNBC CAPITOL HILL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it depends on who

you were talking about. I was in the room for a little while this

afternoon, when I was there, senators, about a dozen Republicans who had

walked out, who were not sitting there to listen to the presentation.

Several of them told reporters afterwards they found the arguments

repetitive.

But the reality here is this is one of the many ways in which this is not

like a normal criminal trial. I mean, these senators act as jurors, but

they have juror superpowers that no other juror would normally have. And

that includes to ignore evidence when they see fit.

I mean, we know, that some of these Republicans are most pro-Trump, third

of them or so at least are going to make a political calculation and not an

objective decision when it comes to deciding how they`ll vote on this,

because they`ve already essentially told us that. They have made a decision

about the constitutionality of it.

And so, once you got past the like searing emotional footage of yesterday

and back into the arguments about the former president`s culpability here.

A lot of those Republican senators simply tuned it out.

REID: Very interesting, and probably maybe some of them didn`t enjoy

hearing their own names invoked as being co-conspirators.

There`s also this reporting, and at least your reporting, so I want you to

see this out for us, that Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and maybe some other

Republican senators, this is some jurors don`t normally do, went and met

with the Trump defense team, is that the case?

HAAKE: That`s right. Yes, just another way in which this is not like a

normal trial. Senators Graham, Cruz and Hawley met with the Trump defense

team for quite a while after the arguments had wrapped up today to discuss

legal strategy for tomorrow.

Senator Cruz came out afterwards and told reporters, I mean, this is not

something they`re hiding. Again, they`re working hand in glove, the Trump

defense team and some of his most closely aligned senators, to come up with

an argument that will allow their fellow Republicans, and not of them

anyway to vote to acquit.

So, expect to hear again a lot tomorrow about constitutionality. Expect to

hear these Trump defense attorneys argue that the managers didn`t clear

this high bar that they believe there is to prove incitement.

And if they`re listening to their fellow colleagues, the one thing that

these Trump defense attorneys will have to address, because Republican

senators are asking about it, and this could be an Achilles heel for the

president, is what did the president know and what was he doing when the

attack took place.

The testimony, the presentation around that question today was very

powerful to a number of these Republican senators, just as it was, by the

way, in the House impeachment vote. A lot of house Republicans who voted to

impeach the president said that was the source of their anger.

And the Trump defense attorneys are ultimately going to face questions

about that because that is the kind of thing that a lot of these

Republicans, or not a lot, but perhaps some could turn their votes because.

The idea that the president sort of left them for dead is not something

they can stomach.

REID: Yes, you`d think. Garrett Haake, great reporting, thank you very

much. I really appreciate you.

I want to turn now to Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota. And, Senator, you

were a prosecutor. I`m sure you have a feeling or two about members of the

jury plotting with the defense team on what arguments they might be able to

make that would be more persuasive to the other jurors. What do you make of

that?

SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN): Well, as Garrett pointed out, this is a trial

like no other and I think we shouldn`t be surprised that people the ilk of

Cruz and Hawley are meeting with them and talking with them.

But I do think it`s significant, Joy, that there were, I would say, about

40 senators, Republicans that were there and nearly every Democrat most of

the time. They were there. They weren`t wandering around and they were like

we were riveted on the evidence and the facts in this tremendous

presentation by the house managers. I don`t know what else they could do.

They made the case in a cogent fashion showing as you pointed out earlier

not just what Donald Trump did, but what he didn`t do, not calling the

National Guard. Vice President Pence had to do that. Leader Schumer and

Pelosi and McConnell had to do that. Not telling his people to go home.

And then, of course, he could have tweeted go home now and they would have

obeyed, and he didn`t do that. Instead, it`s a police officer wedged behind

a door screaming and writhing in pain who were the people that were

literally putting their bodies to save ours and literally were standing up

for our democracy, which he failed to do.

REID: You just made a point and I`m switching up what I`m asking my team to

do. But I want to play to your very point. Donald Trump`s power over his

base, I think, is a very important point here, that he has this sort of

mesmerism who will do whatever he says.

Case in point, the guy with the horns on his head, that dude, who everybody

has come to know as the QAnon shaman, Jacob Angeli, here he is talking

about what he -- being obedient, showing how obedient. He`s one of the

insurrectionists. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REPORTER: What`s your message to everybody now? What are you yelling out?

JACOB CHANSLEY, QANON SHAMAN: Donald Trump asked everyone to go home. He

just put out a tweet, it`s a minute long, he asked everyone to go home.

REPORTER: Why do you think so?

CHANSLEY: Because we won the (BLEEP) day, we (BLEEP) won.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Do you feel that maybe the one extra thing that the managers could do

is call witnesses like that guy?

KLOBUCHAR: That`s going to be up to them. You always know when a case comes

to a certain point you make a decision on how you make your case best, but

I thought it was owed compelling the evidence they had today. I hadn`t seen

some of it before, the Facebook posts of people showing this is me showing

off to Donald Trump literally with an arrow with the words written on the

post so he would see it because they wanted their president to know.

They literally said we were invited here. They`re yelling at the police

officers. They`re yelling at the Capitol staff, by the way, not enough

attention paid on the janitors and so many of them black and brown people

who had to clean up after these guys, hiding in fear and then have to go

clean feces off the walls and blood off the floor. So they`re yelling at

them, we were invited by the president of the United States.

I think it was Joe Neguse who said, that Congressman Neguse, he said, he

said it and they did it. That`s basically what happened here.

REID: But they -- you know these Republicans view. You deal with them on a

day-to-day basis. How compelling might the words of the other Republicans

be? I found the actual Republican -- the clips of Republicans calling on

Trump to do the right thing or condemning his actions. It had been some of

the most compelling testimony.

I`ll play a little bit of it for you. This is Mike Gallagher and Chris

Christie that day saying, call it off, and talking to Donald Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MIKE GALLAGHER (R-WI): Mr. President, you have got to stop this. You

are the only person who can call this off. Call it off.

FORMER GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ) (voice-over): Pretty simple. The

president caused this protest to occur. He`s the only one who can make it

stop. What the president has said is not good enough.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: That was in real time. I mean Lindsay Graham was apparently calling

Ivanka Trump begging for Trump to help call off the attack. These are their

friends, people on their side, Trump people saying, Trump, you`re the only

one who can stop this. You know these folks. Are there 17 of them who will

be moved by Republicans making that argument?

KLOBUCHAR: I don`t know how they could not be moved by what we heard today.

But we had one change his vote, you know who that was, and that was Senator

Cassidy of Louisiana, and voted to allow the trial to proceed.

I do want to make clear that that was kind of the reset. That was a

decision is, and I thought Congressman Raskin made this argument very

strongly today. You had it -- you decide, what`s the law of the case? The

law of the case is that this is constitutional to have an impeachment trial

for a president because there was no January exemption.

So now it starts fresh and they`ve got to look at the facts. This is about

the facts of the case. and I don`t know how this couldn`t be compelling.

And as you pointed out, Joy, having these Republicans, they were frantic.

Kevin McCarthy went on Fox News because the president wasn`t doing it. He

had to go and say this was wrong and it`s against the law and those kinds

of things. They also played his words at the trial yesterday.

So, literally, they were all clamoring and trying to get the president to

do something. He wouldn`t do it. Hour after hour goes went by and then he

ends the day by calling them patriots, by thanking them, by saying he loved

them.

REID: Yes, and I didn`t see one of them. Josh Hawley wasn`t out there

giving the high fist to those people when the insurrectionist was in house.

He was running with everybody else. They were all terrified. So, I don`t

know how they make this argument. I don`t know how they sleep at night. I`m

just being honest.

KLOBUCHAR: You`re right.

REID: You`re a nicer person than me, you say you deal with them every day.

Senator Amy Klobuchar, thank you. Thank you very much.

KLOBUCHAR: Thank you, Joy.

REID: Okay. Cheers.

With me now is Congressman Adam Schiff of California, who is the lead House

manager in the first Trump impeachment.

And, Congressman Schiff, I have to tell you, and I think I`ve told you this

before, I thought your closing in the first impeachment was something every

American should listen to. I thought it was brilliant. And so, as somebody

who has done this gig before, give me your assessment and grade of the

closing today.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): Oh well, you know, A+++. I think Jamie Raskin and

the team of managers flawlessly presented the case. Powerfully,

emotionally, they drew on the constitution and the law, they drew on common

sense. You couldn`t make a more persuasive case and the facts are on their

side. It`s so overwhelming.

Joy, you know, I went into something in the last trial that really stood

out to me and I think with every case that something that really stands out

to each of us. What stands out to me is the president`s statement, I think,

at 6:00 on the night of insurrection when multiple people lay dead. The

president said, these are the things and events that happen when a

landslide election is stripped away. This was the president`s reaction.

Now, that tweet, I think, tells us all we need to know about the

president`s intentions, his state of mind, the fact that he willed this to

happen. He was pleased it happened. It was foreseeable that it would happen

if he incited the crowd. To me, that one statement speaks volumes.

I hope that the senators go into this with an open mind. If they do,

there`s only one result they can reach and that`s to convict.

REID: I think a lot of people though are very cynical that there are 17

Republicans who have the courage to do it. And when you ran the impeachment

the first time against Donald Trump, you warned, look, if we let him get

away with this, which was, again, trying to fix the election to ensure that

he would win by trying to kneecap Joe Biden, that was -- he was really

doing essentially the same thing.

This time he took it to a different level, meaning he has basically

paramilitary forces storm the Capitol to try to stop Joe Biden from being

certified as president. Do you worry that if and when Republicans let him

do that and then he`s allowed to run again, I think there`s a lot of

legitimate worry that if he goes in knowing that he has paramilitary forces

who were willing to be activated by him, including Proud Boys and others

who are really dangerous, that his next step would just be to get in and

never leave?

SCHIFF: Well, Joy, I think you`re right. You know, we made a point a year

ago, sadly prescient, as it would turn out, that if he got away with this,

if he was allowed to commit impeachable offenses and there was no

repercussion, we have to fully expect he would do it again. If he`s not

disqualified from running and he does run again, we cannot say we are

surprised, when he once again lies about an election, incites and inflames

people and leads them to violence.

You would think that having the example we`ve had over the last year, that

point would make itself. And I think the Jamie Raskin made it very powerful

today. But you are absolutely right, we will have only ourselves to blame

if, once again, having seen what this man is capable of. We`ve seen how --

if he learns anything, he learns that he can get away with anything, we

cannot be surprised if he puts the country through hell again.

REID: Yes. And just in case people think that, you know, that we`re being

sort of over the top here, I want everybody to listen. If you missed this

today, this was one of the most chilling pieces of tape that was played

today in the trial. This is a guy named Couy Griffin. He is part or head of

something called Cowboys for Trump. And this is what he said after the

riot.

Now, by the way, this is somebody who had previously said, that the only

good Democrat is a dead Democrat, and Trump, you know, name checked him,

re-tweeted him and gave him a high five on Twitter after he did that. Here

is what he said after he participated in the insurrection.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COUY GRIFFIN, RIOTER, COWBOYS FOR TRUMP: You know, you want to say that

that was a mob? You want to say that was violence? No, sir. No, ma`am. We

could have a Second Amendment rally on those same steps that where we had

that rally yesterday, you know? And if we do then it`s going to be a sad

day because there`s going to be blood running out of that building. But at

the end of the day, you mark my word, we will plant our flag on the desk of

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Congressman Schiff, do we need to start having a serious conversation

not just about Donald Trump being a bad guy but about the Republican Party

becoming a radicalized anti-democratic institution? Because you can`t have

a regular party, like the Democrats who have their flaws and we can have

issue with them, and a party that is willing to seize the power by force,

because that`s what that sounded like it me?

SCHIFF: No, I think that`s absolutely right. And, you know, I think the

managers, they`re talking about Donald Trump`s role because he`s the one on

trial and that makes perfect sense. But there are broader, serious problems

with the GOP right now as a party. It has really become a cult of

personality around the president. It doesn`t have an ideology anymore. It

doesn`t have principles anymore and it`s willing to welcome in white

nationalists, QAnon conspiracy theorists, people that will use violence if

they don`t get their way. And that party needs to come to grips with what

it`s become. It needs to be a party once again that stands for something

and not just the cult around Donald Trump.

REID: Hopefully, somebody sane on that side will listen to you. Congressman

Adam Schiff, thank you so much. I always appreciate you being here. And

coming up, the video is the case from Pence`s narrow escape to Romney and

Schumer nearly walking right into the mob.

The House managers` presentation was riveting and included their very

personal experiences.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MADELEINE DEAN (D-PA): And, at 2:30, I heard that terrifying banging

on House chamber doors.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: The prosecution is going to be a tough act to follow, given the

overwhelming evidence against Trump.

But Trump`s lawyers do have one thing going for them: Republican senators`

undying loyalty to their golden -- well, technically orange -- calf.

THE REIDOUT continues after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

REID: The Republicans are refusing to be swayed by the overwhelming

mounting evidence showing Donald Trump inciting his supporters to storm the

Capitol, in some cases ignoring that evidence entirely by leaving the room.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOSH HAWLEY (R-MO): They are making this up as they go along. It`s

totally unconstitutional, and it is incredibly selfish on the part of the

Democrats. And this is a total kangaroo trial.

SEN. RICK SCOTT (R-FL): This is a complete waste of time. It is not doing

anything to help American families. It`s not helping people get jobs. It`s

not helping get the vaccine out. It`s actually -- it`s vindictive.

REP. ROGER MARSHALL (R-KS): Well, there`s a political theater, it feels

like right now, made-for-TV presentations, very political today.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): The not-guilty vote is growing after today. I

think most Republicans found the presentation by the House managers

offensive and absurd.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Offensive and absurd? Really, Lindsey Graham? Because, remember, it

was comrade Lindsey who, on January 6, called the White House and Ivanka

Trump mid-riot, pleading for Trump to call off the attack.

But now, since he can`t bring himself to convict his Palm Beach puppeteer

for inciting the mob, he is instead blaming the cops.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

QUESTION: It was very emotional. What were those videos and stuff like for

you?

GRAHAM: Well, I just can`t believe that we could lose the Capitol like

that.

I got mad. I mean, these police officers had every right to use deadly

force. They should have used it. The people in charge of securing the

Capitol let the country down.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

REID: Wait, wait, wait. What was that part about blue lives matter? Where

did that go?

Joining me now, Angela Rye, politics and culture commentator and host of

the "One" -- "On One With Angela Rye" podcast, and Kurt Bardella, former

House Oversight Committee spokesman and senior adviser to The Lincoln

Project.

Angela, should we pour a little one out for blue lives matter? Because,

apparently, that`s dead. Apparently, the cops messed up, and it`s their

fault because they didn`t shoot a bunch of people, per Lindsey.

ANGELA RYE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: It is amazing how the slogans can change

in a matter of seconds, Joy.

What is so fascinating to me is this question that was asked all day -- and

it was such a compelling question by the impeachment managers -- what is

worthy of impeachment? He wasn`t -- it worthy of impeachment last time with

the obstruction of justice charge against him. Now it`s an incitement of

insurrection, which, again, I continue to call a terrorist attack, because

it was truly terrorism.

And, yes, Lindsey Graham was himself also terrified. What I have to ask is,

if Hillary Clinton`s e-mails are worthy of her being locked up, then why

isn`t someone who incited a riot, someone who, of course, is not new to

this at all, but is perfectly true to this?

This started way before he even began his campaign in 2016. This man has a

perpetual problem of calling on -- calling for death, even in the face of

innocence, a la Central Park Five. This is someone who questioned Barack

Obama`s citizenship, the chief birther himself, right? This is someone who

called the coronavirus the Chinese virus. This is someone who had vile

attacks on Black Lives Matter.

And our own friends, right, Joy, like, had to -- have to still to this day

pay for security out of their pocket because of some of the things that

Donald Trump has tweeted, attacked Jemele Hill, also our friend, the Squad,

Congresswoman Maxine Waters. The attacks on Nancy Pelosi were piling up.

That`s why they felt so comfortable sitting at her desk. What is worthy of

impeachment? And if these folks have taken an oath to Donald Trump that we

somehow weren`t aware of, then we should at least know that? Because now

what we understand is, protecting Donald Trump is more important than

upholding the oath of the Constitution that they took to get into office.

And all I have to ask for them -- ask of them is the same thing the

impeachment managers asked all day. What is worthy of impeachment?

REID: Yes.

Apparently, Kurt Bardella, consensual sex, because they -- a lot of these

people were in office and impeached Bill Clinton over a sexual affair. But

in this case -- and they wanted -- they were talking, a lot of them, about

a pre-impeachment of Hillary Clinton over her e-mails or over Benghazi.

They called the Benghazi hearings a pre-impeachment set of hearings.

So, they -- those are the things they think are impeachable. It sounds to

me like what they`re saying is, what`s impeachable is being a Democrat who

is elected to office by a diverse electorate, and when Republicans get

elected, then elections don`t matter anymore. They must be installed no

matter what.

I wonder what you make of what we got, a little bit of this color out of

NBC`s Julie Tsirkin, who was saying that a lot of the lawyers just weren`t

in the room. They left the room and weren`t even paying attention. A lot of

the members weren`t in the room.

Graham, Lindsey Graham, returned to his seat when Jamie Raskin was making

his closing argument, per Julie Tsirkin, around 4:09. When Raskin was

uttering the words "Put to bed," meaning they did the whole, can we dismiss

this trial outright? They had a vote on. That went down. And he said: "So

that`s been put to bed, the constitutionality argument." Graham and Cornyn

looked at each other and laughed.

So, that means that they are basically going to argue something that`s

moot, Kurt.

KURT BARDELLA, SENIOR ADVISER, THE LINCOLN PROJECT: I tell you, Joy, yes,

it speaks volumes that there are Republicans, jurors, right, who can`t even

be bothered to attend this proceeding and pay attention to it.

That right there is disqualifying of what their job is supposed to be. Then

you add in the layer that they have blatantly said that nothing is going to

change their mind.

And I will tell you, if you watched the proceedings, the presentations that

Democrats have offered over the last couple of days, and you don`t walk

away feeling something, you are a sociopath. There is something

fundamentally wrong and broken with you.

What we are witnessing is the full embrace of the Republican Party of the

most extreme and radical and racist elements of their base. There is no

coming back from this. From this point forward, they are the party that

champions anti-democratic values. They are the party that champions the

silencing of the votes of people of color in this country.

They are the party that champions of violence and insurrection and domestic

terrorism. The Republican Party, if they allow this to happen, and allow no

consequences to befall the person who led the charge and literally

instructed people to commit violence and mayhem on our Capitol, if they

allow that to happen, the Republican Party is basically a domestic

terrorist cell at this point, and they should be treated as such.

The idea that this party that spent year after year issuing subpoenas,

holding depositions, holding hearings, select committees, had Hillary

Clinton in front of the Benghazi committee for more than 10 hours of

testimony, that that Republican Party can`t even be bothered to show up and

listen to the presentation of these impeachment managers, is a betrayal of

justice, is a betrayal of everything that this party professed to once

stand for.

And we should never forget that and never let them off the hook for that.

REID: Angela, I wanted you to put on your lawyer hat, your chief counsel,

legal counsel hat for me for a moment, because just to preview what,

apparently, the argument is going to be tomorrow, I want you to listen to

Congressman Roy Blunt.

This is apparently what we`re in for tomorrow. Oh, it`s a graphic sorry.

It`s: "Well, you know" -- he`s going to say: "Well, you know, we had a

summer where all people all over the country were doing similar kinds of

things. I don`t know what the other side will show from Seattle and

Portland and other places, but you`re going to see similar kinds of

tragedies there as well."

So, basically, what they`re going to do is they`re going to try to say that

Black Lives Matter rallies where, at some point at night, somebody threw a

Molotov cocktail at a police car, is exactly the same thing.

And, now, I know -- for my team here, can you guys get me the video of

Black Lives Matter -- Black Lives Matter storming capitols? Just get me the

video right now of Black Lives Matter storming capitols.

(LAUGHTER)

REID: Oh, I`m sorry, that doesn`t exist. There isn`t any of that.

So, your thoughts, Angie?

(LAUGHTER)

RYE: Yes, I -- we`re laughing to keep from crying, right, Joy?

This is one of those things where, from the very beginning, from its

inception, when people began to say black lives matter, and it was an

argument, right, like this was a point that had to be proven, the fact that

Black Lives Matter, by its mere existence, and by the fact that people

would have the nerve to go and protest the right to breathe, is, in and of

itself, violence is the exact problem.

Roy Blunt should be ashamed of himself. He should know better.

What it`s looking like is that the only way that Donald Trump could have

potentially been impeached is if someone, one of their colleagues, would

have lost their lives, because what -- they`re not -- it`s not worthy of an

impeachment because a police officer or a participant in the insurrection

passed away.

When Donald Trump stood on the campaign trail and said that he could shoot

someone on Fifth Avenue, and it would have no effect -- I know I`m

paraphrasing here, but that`s essentially what he said -- it`s looking like

that was right.

And I just would challenge the United States Senate, in a bipartisan way,

because this is really about morality at this point, to search deep in your

hearts and look at the facts. BLM is not on trial here. Your president is.

And you need to treat him accordingly. There needs to be consequences for

his actions, or this is only going to get worse.

REID: Yes.

And if they try to put members of Congress of color and Black Lives Matter

on trial tomorrow, they`re going to prove the point that they don`t want

made, which is that their party has essentially surrendered fully to white

nationalism, because that`s at the base of this idea that black people

can`t elect a president, that it just can be overthrown.

They will just be proving that point. So, let`s see if they do it.

Angela Rye, Kurt Bardella, you guys are great. Thank you very much.

And up next: the gripping personal stories of the House impeachment

managers and how Trump`s lawyers planned, as we just discussed, to counter

the Democrats` overwhelming case.

That`s right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

REID: Over the past few days, the House impeachment managers, who

personally experienced the riot, made emotional arguments for the

conviction of the disgraced former president of the United States, Donald

J. Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. DIANA DEGETTE (D-CO): And as I watched the footage of the violence in

the Capitol Building, my own experience flooded back to me.

I was one of the unlucky members who was stuck in the House Gallery. We

could see the mob pounding on the door to the House chamber.

DEAN: Someone shouted up to us, "Duck," then, "Lie down," then, "Ready your

gas masks."

Shortly after, there was a terrifying banging on the chamber doors. I will

never forget that sound.

REP. ERIC SWALWELL (D-CA): Uncertain what would happen next, I sent a text

message to my wife: "I love you and the babies. Please hug them for me."

DEL. STACEY PLASKETT (D-VI): Trump supporters began their assault on our

Capitol.

Radio communications from the Metropolitan Police Department highlight how,

during and following Trump`s speech, Trump supporters descended on the

Capitol.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cruiser 50, give me DSO up here now! DSO! Multiple law

enforcement injuries!

PLASKETT: The rioters have free reign in the speaker of the House`s

offices.

PELOSI STAFFER: They we`re -- we need Capitol Police come into the hallway.

They`re pounding on the doors trying to find her.

REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): I told my daughter Tabitha. I told her how sorry

I was, and I promised her it won`t be that way the next time she came back

to the Capitol with me. And you know what she said? She said, dad, I don`t

want to come back to the Capitol. Of all the terrible, brutal things I saw,

and I heard on that day and since then, that one hit me the hardest.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

REID: A highlight of the House manager`s case against Donald Trump has been

the damning video evidence from January 6th showing the culmination of

Trump`s months` long effort to overturn the election.

As I said before, the video alone makes the case and more than just the

words posted by the rioters themselves, it was the never before seen

surveillance video from the capitol, the 100 senators, Democrats and

Republicans who will decide Trump`s fate got to see just how close they and

their staff came to come face to face with the MAGA lynch mob, including

Senators Schumer and Romney who had to be saved when they were heading

toward the mob. Romney being alerted by the heroic Capitol Police Officer

Eugene Goodman.

Members of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi`s staff can be seen running for cover

in one of their offices. Minutes later, a group of rioters takes control of

that very hallway and began banging on that same door.

Joining me now, Jill Wine-Banks, former assistant Watergate prosecutor, and

we`ll be joined later by another guest, I believe.

But for now, we`re going to stick with you, Jill.

I worry that, you know, even in a case as strong as this, you can`t

convince a juror who has already decided to acquit, right? This to me is

sort of the Emmett Till condition, when you see the jury because you`re

going to have a trial, but they were never going to convict. They`ll just

nullify the case.

If you`re in that kind of a situation, I don`t know -- is there some way

you change your argument thinking you might be able to overcome that or do

we just kind of have to accept that that`s where we are?

JILL WINE-BANKS, FORMER ASSISTANT WATERGATE PROSECUTOR: I don`t think we

can accept that that`s where we are. I think that we have to stay

optimistic that there will be people like Senator Cassidy who actually hear

the arguments and change their vote based on it. I think that there is a

chance because the power of the presentation so far has been unbelievable.

I, for one, was dubious that they could do this without live witnesses. But

they have. No live witness could have been more convincing than what the

video showed. The evidence has filled every gap and possible argument. The

defense is left with no legal basis to object and no factual basis.

So maybe there will be some who will hear the evidence now, of course, they

have to be in the room and we know that there are some who are absenting

themselves which is a despicable thing for a senator to do. That shouldn`t

happen.

So I don`t think we can accept it, but I think that probably may be the

reality is that you aren`t going to get 17, who despite the evidence will

vote as the evidence shows, it`s still worth having this trial so that we

can go ahead with the public understanding.

REID: I agree with you. So, I have been viewing this as sort of a truth,

maybe not a reconciliation, but it`s a truth commission because now, no one

can argue what happened fully, right? Even Fox played some of it, but

you`re seeing members of Congress being whisked out. We`re going to show

that video. They`re just being like running out. You don`t see a single

Republican -- Josh Hawley is not out there like fists up, I`m with you

guys. Let me talk to you. No, they are all running together.

You see the Pelosi staff members who are barricaded in the conference room.

You know, you can see them running into this room where they have to shut

the door and this is them watching themselves -- watching themselves on

video, you know, during the trial.

You see the vice president of the United States being rushed out of the

Capitol and then they did this timeline where he`s minute away from maybe

being lynched because that was a lynch mob. Does it surprise you, Jill,

even though these people are super partisans that so many of them have been

dismissive of it when this isn`t just about them, it`s about their staffs

and they`re young, young people.

WINE-BANKS: And it`s about the vice president of the United States as well

as them and it`s about fundamentally democracy. This was an attempt to

overturn the vote of millions and millions of Americans, 81 million,

precisely.

So we have to take that into account. It is surprising to me that they can

so easily ignore the reality and although the -- you mentioned the time

line which was a brilliant device that they used to present the evidence

and they showed the blue line being breached, but that through-line never

was.

I think the evidence is so clear that you cannot possibly acquit based on

the evidence. If you want to just say, well, I`m a politician and I don`t

care about that. I hope that there will be Democratic candidates to

challenge any upcoming election of those people who vote to acquit.

REID: You talk about the timeline, just for those who didn`t see this

because brilliant. There`s this video that shows the vice president of the

quite, Mike Pence who his own -- his own, you know, supposed friend Donald

Trump was basically sicced this mob on him. He gets rushed out.

This happens at 2:13 p.m. That`s the timestamp on this. So, if we can show

the video. So, he`s being rushed out of the capitol on January 6th at 2:13.

Then at 2:24, Donald Trump tweets and attacks him. So Mike Pence now is --

has been rushed out less than 15 minutes later you have Trump tweeting:

Mike Pence didn`t have the courage to do what should have been done to

protect our country and the constitution, giving states a chance to

certify, da, da, da, right?

He attacks him not long after he`s been rushed out. And then you had Mike

Lee throw his tantrum yesterday and it turns what he was talking about was

that Trump placed a call, got Mike Lee, he gives the phone to Tuberville

and Tuberville says to Trump, they just took the vice president out. I got

to go.

So, Trump knew Mike Pence was in danger, and he`s still attacking him. To

me, that`s sort of -- case closed.

WINE-BANKS: Yeah, no, absolutely. The timeline does intersperse what was

happening in the capitol with what Donald Trump was saying, tweeting or not

doing. So, from the moment he knew and really he knew before they went that

this was the foreseeable consequences of his words, but then the capitol

had been breached, did he send federal troops? Did he say to his

supporters? And we know because we saw supporters through a bullhorn

repeating the tweet that he finally said, saying go home.

If he had done that --

REID: Right.

WINE-BANKS: -- immediately, this wouldn`t have happened. By the time he did

it, the adrenaline was so high there was no chance that they were going to

turn back, and it was too late by then. So yes, he`s the only one who could

have stopped it.

REID: Exactly. We now have Glenn Kirschner. OK, I promise you guys there

was another person coming and we had a little trouble getting on.

But, Glenn, you are here.

Glenn, so same question to you. If you have Republicans begging Trump,

including Lindsey Graham saying, please, Donald Trump, please, Mr.

President, end this attack, Chris Christie, his own friends, his own

supporters, don`t -- didn`t the Republicans alone prove today Trump was the

leader of this mob?

GLENN KIRSCHNER, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: Joy, before, during and after

this was a Donald Trump production and I agree with Jill. Not only were

these consequences reasonably foreseeable based on Donald Trump`s words,

but frankly, violence was more than just predictable. It was inevitable and

it was Donald Trump`s goal, right? This was his aim. This was his design.

And here`s the thing that I don`t know that we have paid direct attention

to. Yes, this trial was on an article of impeachment for inciting

insurrection but, Joy, this was a murder trial. This was a murder trial,

because Donald Trump took his weapon of choice, which was an angry mob,

pointed it in the direction of the U.S. capitol and he pulled the trigger

and what happened? Officer Brian Sicknick was killed. Others died. Others

were gravely injured.

The only thing I wish I had seen the House managers do, they were brilliant

from start to finish, is calling one witness, if they could have called

Brian Sicknick`s mother and put a very real face of loss and horror and

devastation, you know, before the American people. Not for political

reasons. But to show what Donald Trump, he killed somebody, not on 5th

Avenue, but at the U.S. capitol, and the only question is, are these

Republican senators going to let him get away with it?

REID: Do you think they should have called other witnesses, too? Because I

wouldn`t have minded if they called -- you know, give a couple of these

insurrectionists some partial immunity to testify, because they`re all

saying, yeah, I was following Trump, Trump was my leader, had me do this.

Like do you think they`re missing an opportunity by not calling witnesses,

Glenn?

KIRSCHNER: I do. I don`t know if they struck a deal or afraid who the

Republicans would call. I think it`s an opportunity lost because as much as

we appreciated the managers themselves who were victims of the insurrection

talking about their experiences, any time you try a violent crime case and

this is a violent crime case, traded by Donald Trump through his angry mob,

you need to put the victims, the actual victims on the stand.

So many people were injured. I wish we had seen the testimony of some of

those brave Capitol Police Officers who could have testified, some lost an

eye, some lost fingers, some lost cognitive abilities.

REID: Yeah.

KIRSCHNER: Let`s see the real face of the horror and the pain and the

devastation inflicted by Donald Trump. I think that might have taken the

presentation to another level.

REID: Yeah. I agree. I wish they would call witnesses, too.

Jill Wine-Banks and Glenn Kirschner, thank you both. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

REID: Tomorrow, the former president`s lawyers will present their defense

case. They`re only planning to use one day to deliver their arguments.

Lawyer Bruce Castor told Fox News that he`ll argue that the proceeding is

unconstitutional. Bad policy. And it`s setting a bad precedent for the

nation.

Castor said that the team plans to discuss the First Amendment and says the

defense will spend a great deal of time on what the president said and the

context in which he said it. Which context would that be? I mean, he said

stop the steal, he did a rally saying stop the steal by any means necessary

or you won`t have a country and then a bunch of people rioted screaming

stop the steal. Context.

Well, that` tonight`s REIDOUT.

Tune in to MSNBC all day tomorrow for continuing coverage of the second

impeachment trial of Donald J. Trump.

"ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES" starts now.

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