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Transcript: All In with Chris Hayes, December 15, 2020

Guests: Chris Van Hollen, Jeremy Peters, Nicole Perlroth, Roy Cooper, Jennifer Jacobs


Sen. Mitch McConnell congratulates Joe Biden as President-Elect. Early voting in Georgia breaks the in-person early voting in the general election as President-Elect Joe Biden visits. The Trump administration has acknowledged hackers not only accessed but compromised federal agencies including the Treasury Department, the Commerce Department, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and parts of the Pentagon. This weekend, a bunch of Trump supporters came to Downtown D.C., and they gleefully tore Black Lives Matter signs at Black churches. The FDA authorized the first home test for COVID and also said they intend to authorize a second vaccine made by Moderna.


JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: Rebecca Jones, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you coming on and telling your story. Thank you. Wow, it's quite a harrowing one. And that is tonight's REIDOUT tonight. Thank you for being here. Please be safe. "ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES" starts right now.


CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice over): Tonight on ALL IN.

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT, UNITED STATES: I predict to you, and I made these words, but I predict you as Donald Trump's shadow fades away, you're going to see an awful lot change.

HAYES: The election has been over for weeks, but only today are Republicans acknowledging reality.

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): The Electoral College has spoken. So, today, I want to congratulate President-Elect Joe Biden.

HAYES: Tonight, how wildly anti-Democratic and irresponsible the Republican Party has been throughout this election aftermath as the MAGA dead-enders rampage in D.C. egged on by the President and defiling a Black church.

Then, the massive and sophisticated Russian hack of multiple U.S. government agencies. How deep does it go? Plus --


HAYES: Day two of the big rollout as the FDA gets ready to OK a second vaccine, when ALL IN starts right now.


HAYES (on camera): Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. You know, the Constitution doesn't care about the speeches Mitch McConnell gives or what title the opposition party used to talk about the duly elected incoming press United States. In a fundamental democratic sense, elections end because of the voters, not anyone else. They are determined by an impartial counting the votes cast freely and fairly with the winner claiming the title of winner, free of whatever antics or lawsuits or conspiracy theories or whining there is by the losers.

And so, in that sense, it has been very clear for weeks that Joe Biden will be the 46th President of the United States and Donald Trump will join the ignominious category of one-term presidents, a historically notable and famous group of political losers. But what has been so horrifying to watch over the last six weeks is that in a deeper sense, right, democracies do depend on the loser conceding and the peaceful transfer of power as a baseline principle that all parties and participants buy into.

The acknowledgment of that democratic legitimacy by the loser and his or her party is kind of the glue that binds us. And we have watched the president and his allies, like the 126 members of Congress and the at least 18 attorneys general who signed on to the failed Texas lawsuit to overturn the election. We have watched them engaged in the project of trying to rip apart the union, to tear this fundamental promise out from under us.

And that is why it was news today. It was news. It shouldn't have been, but it was news when the highest-ranking Republican member of Congress, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, finally, after nearly six weeks, was forced to acknowledge the inevitable.


MCCONNELL: So, as of this morning, our country has officially a president-elect and a vice president-elect. The Electoral College has spoken. So, today, I want to congratulate President-Elect Joe Biden.


HAYES: Now, it is for the best that McConnell and other members of his party are accepting Trump's loss at last. But that faction of people who have put their names in history's record as opponents of American democracy, opponents of the regular peaceful transfer of power, they're not just going away. They can't unring that bell. And we are living all of us with the reverberations of what they've done.

Look at what's happening right now in the state of Georgia where two Republican Senate candidates are now basically at war with the Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger because Raffensperger committed the grave sin of refusing to unlawfully steal the election for President Trump.

He is now the subject of increasingly vicious attacks by members of his own party, by those two Senate candidates who endorsed that lawsuit to strip their own voter's votes, and by the president, who today retweeted this image of Raffensperger and the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, a reliable stalwart MAGA ahead. He retweeted this image of them wearing masks with a Chinese flag on them and a threat that they will "soon be going to jail."

Now, that Georgia special runoff, the one that's going to happen in January is off to a roaring start. Early voting the Senate began yesterday for that Senate runoff shattering records. 168,000 people voting in person yesterday. That is up, if you can believe it, from the 136,000 on the first day of in-person early voting in the general election.

Joe Biden visited the state of Georgia day holding a driving rally in Atlanta, urging the voters that flipped the state blue for him last month to come out again for the Democratic candidates and give them the majority in the Senate.

At the same time, the current Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, is now turning on a dime to try to stop members of his own caucus, particularly the more ambitious ones, the ones who want to be president, who want to suck up the most flagrantly to Donald Trump and the MAGA base from pulling some sort of antics when Congress tallies the Electoral College results on January 6th.

Jake Sherman of Politico reporting today that McConnell, along with Senators Roy Blunt and John Thune pleaded with Senate Republicans to not object to the election results. McConnell calling it a terrible vote for the party, because they'd have to vote the objection down, which puts them in the bad position of voting against the president.

But of course, the incentive structure here is clear. All the political incentives on the Republican side as we're seeing with Loeffler and Perdue right now, they're all towards this kind of procedural anti-democratic extremism in pursuit of Donald Trump, in pursuit of holding on to minority rule no matter the cost, no matter the moral degradation.

There is no short-term political consequence. There may not be any medium or long term one either. And so there will be Republican senators who object on January 6th. That's my prediction. I'm happy to be wrong. But that's the fundamental problem here. And now, we've entered this new era. President-Elect Joe Biden says he's had a bunch of nice phone calls with Republican senators, which again, I suppose better than the opposite.

And President-Elect Biden, I think he believes this and, you know, God bless him for this belief, keeps assuring us that they'll be able to work together, he and Republican members of the United States Congress. But boy, is it hard to see your way clear to that, isn't it?

There is one thing, though, that is clear. Clear, six weeks ago, clear today, clear by the day, and that is that Donald Trump has lost. He lost, and he's lost, and he's lost again. And then he's asked for recounts and lost, and sued and lost, and sued again and lost, and he keeps losing. And he will very shortly be out of a job.

Senator Chris Van Hollen is a Democrat from Maryland. And he joins me now. First Senator, your reaction to Mitch McConnell's speech today and the fact that some group of Republican colleagues who were holding out I think somewhat preposterously have now concluded they can no longer. How significant is?

SEN. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): Well, Chris, it's good to be with you. And as you said, in what universe is it headline news that the head of the Republican Party in the Senate has acknowledged a political reality and the election results. And that's where we are in today's Republican Party, which is the personality cult of Donald Trump.

I agree with you. I think, you know, you're going to -- they're going to find a Republican senator who may support challenging the results in the House on January 6th. So, let's not give Mitch McConnell and these Republicans any credit. In fact, they have fueled this fraudulent narrative of Donald Trump's for weeks and really undermine public confidence in the results.

HAYES: You sound like someone who isn't -- there's two theories here, right? One is, this is a political calculation because of the nature of the base and because of a set of short-term political incentives that are not reflective of the inner nature of these individuals, and how they'll act in the future. And the other is that like, the whole thing is rotten all the way through. The faction has curdled. It's become something, you know, toxic and dangerous.

And your answer that first question puts -- you sound like you're more than the second camp than the president-elect is.

VAN HOLLEN: Well, I know the President-Elect is going to do everything he can to reach out for the good of the country and try to get Mitch McConnell and others to, you know, support a bipartisan agenda. But I also have watched Mitch McConnell over the years and I don't see him changing his political DNA, which has been obstructionism up and down the board.

This is a sure political calculation by Mitch McConnell. Today was really his last off-ramp before January 6th. As you pointed out, if he continues to say that, you know, President Trump may have won this election, then on January 6th, if any Republican senator joins the challenge, then we're going to have a vote in the United States Senate. And Mitch McConnell and Republican senators would have to vote to overturn the elections in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and other states if they're going to continue to stick with the Trump lie. So, McConnell recognizes that today was really his only offering.

HAYES: There is -- you know, while this is happening, right, there's he sort of parallel tracks, which is that there is very urgent legislative business to be done on some kind of relief package, some COVID relief package. McConnell is saying today that if they -- something will be hammered out. I've covered this so much, I start to feel like I'm losing my mind because I've just gone around and around and around for months. Where are things from your perspective?

VAN HOLLEN: No, I do think, Chris, today finally I think we're getting there. Finally, McConnell acknowledged that it would be unconscionable for Congress to pack it in this month without getting Coronavirus relief. And we did have this bipartisan package that provided a framework. It's not perfect. It's an interim relief package to take us through March and into the Biden-Harris administration. And it does provide badly needed relief.

So I do believe we'll get a good amount of what is in that package. Not as much as I would like. But I think we will come away with something.

HAYES: So, I know people don't like to negotiate in public. And I've been through this a number of times. I'm just going to ask you a naive question, you answer, however. So, the two most contentious issues in this package has been money for state and local governments which Mitch McConnell hates, which obviously is substantively urgent because state and local governments are going to be hammered, you're going to have austerity then cascade through the calendar out pass the pandemic and hurt all kinds of folks, firefighters, and teachers and so forth. OK, we should have state and local.

The other thing is that Mitch McConnell wants this liability shield so you can't sue your boss who makes you come into a COVID infected workplace. And I guess the question is, would it be better to have both of those that neither? Because it seems to me the money for state and local is so vital that if that's the choice, it's not clear to me that both of them should go away. What do you think?

VAN HOLLEN: So, Chris, there are a lot of other elements in this package that are not direct funding for state and local governments that will greatly benefit state local governments. So, for example, substantial education funding. Local and state governments would otherwise have to foot that bill, foot money for rental assistance, for mental health support, for food assistance, for transit.

These are all costs that, you know, local and state governments otherwise would have to bear that they won't and they are in this bill. I do not accept McConnell's blackmail. What he's saying here is that in order for us to provide direct funding to state and local governments, people have to give up their rights to go to court if they've been badly wrong.

So, I don't think any Americans should have to give up their rights in order for the federal government to provide the relief that we should be providing no matter what. But so -- and that is what McConnell is doing. It's very cynical. This is essentially providing impunity to corporations. That's the bottom line. And Americans shouldn't have to sell out their rights in order to get their help.

The good news is, these other provisions of the bill do provide substantial health. The unemployment insurance at $300 extra a week, the Small Business assistance, and the other items I mentioned, also a continuation of the moratorium on evictions, extension of, you know, student loan forbearance. So, there are a lot of very important things in this bill.

HAYES: All right, Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

VAN HOLLEN: Good to be with you. Thanks.

HAYES: Whenever Mitch McConnell or anyone else says, there are going to be tens of millions of conservative diehards and MAGA devotees who just don't accept the results of the election and think there really was an intricate conspiracy to steal it fraudulently from Donald Trump. And they're not going anywhere.

Jeremy Peters is national political reporter at The New York Times, has been covering this part of our political subculture. Jeremy, I wonder how much what we're seeing are face value beliefs people have about a set of actual facts which is that Hugo Chavez's ghost was somehow injected into a Dominion voting machine to change things. And how much it's a kind of emotional affected performance of loyalty that doesn't mean they actually think the election was stolen. What do you think?

JEREMY PETERS, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, THE NEW YORK TIMES: I think you have a Republican Party right now that is afraid of its base. And so, they are there for parroting what they know that their base wants to hear. And often that is that they think the election was stolen or they think that there was fraud.

And that's because you had really decades and decades of mistrust that's been seated in the minds of the conservative voter going back really to the post new deal days when you had Phyllis Schlafly and the John Birch Society talking about a communist conspiracy in the highest levels of the American government.

Now, it's easy to listen to somebody like Sidney Powell to talk about Hugo Chavez, and Cuba, and China and the communists in Venezuela, and really hear echoes of that kind of paranoia. It's not that much of a leap to kind of see where this all started.

Now, in modern day times, you have Fox News, you have a conservative media ecosystem that has told voters over and over and over again that there is fraud at the polls. And so that's kind of baring itself out right now and when -- which you've never had before as the President of the United States who believes that that's happened, and when they hear it coming from his mouth, it's a lot easier for them to make that leap.

And while the elected officials might not necessarily believe that this election was stolen, their voters certainly do. But they're afraid of their voters and their voters are captive to President Trump.

HAYES: Yes. I mean, you know, water will always sort of go to the lowest point, right? And the sort of conservative media, and this is true largely of the media, right, will always find its way to seep down to audience demand. So, if you look at the -- here's a screenshot of Newsmax, right. Like, right now, there is considerable demand in among conservatives for this content, a path to turn to. It's not over. Like, people want to hear that. And that's -- that is being pumped out.

I guess the question is, like, there's some sense the whole time like, this is going to break or there's going to be some moment where it's like, well, no longer. And McConnell kind of was that today. But my sense is like, it's not going to be that for Donald Trump. It can't ever be that for Donald Trump. This will continue out, you know, forever.

PETERS: Yes, that's exactly right. And that's why they keep moving the bar. If you have been listening to conservative media which -- I mean, I don't even call it conservative anymore. It's more like pro-Trump media -- over the last few weeks since the election, they keep moving the bar, OK.

So, first, it were -- it was all of these court cases that lawyers like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood and others were filing on behalf of the Trump campaign. That was the bar. Then, they lost those cases. So, the new bar became the Supreme Court. They lost that case. The bar became the Electoral College because there was a movement to push state legislatures to nominate a slate of electors that would vote for President Trump. That failed yesterday as we saw spectacularly.

Now, according to Stephen Miller, the White House advisor, the new bar is January 20th, the day in the Constitution that is set for the president to be inaugurated. So, they're going to keep moving that bar. And we know what's going to happen on January 20th. Biden is going to be inaugurated as the 46th President of the United States.

So, really what this all is, it's about delegitimizing Biden as President. No one I talked to thinks that they actually have a shot at undermining Biden's lead in the polls or taking away his victory in any of these swing states. They know that they're -- they are damaging him as the incoming president. And that's really what you're looking at right now.

HAYES: Jeremy Peters, thanks so much for joining us tonight. Tonight, new reporting of a sophisticated Russian hack targeting multiple federal agencies. It's been going on since the spring apparently. How far they got, how bad it is, next.


HAYES: As President Trump continues to rant about a non-existent enemy who stole the election from him, a real adversary it would seem, has sneaked its way into the computer systems of nearly every major federal agency. The Trump administration has acknowledged hackers not only accessed but compromised federal agencies including the Treasury Department, the Commerce Department, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and parts of the Pentagon.

The New York Times reports the hack was engineered by one of Russia's premier intelligence agencies. They report that other major entities who use the compromised software include the CDC, the Justice Department, a number of utility companies, nearly all Fortune 500 companies, and oh yes, by the way, Los Alamos National Laboratory where nuclear weapons are designed and major defense contractors like Boeing.

Not only did this Russian intelligent unit get access everywhere, but according to The Times, again, "The attacks had been underway as early as this spring, meaning they continued undetected through months of the pandemic and the election season. So, how could Russia defeat U.S. cybersecurity so thoroughly for so long? Nicole Perlroth cover cybersecurity digital espionage from New York Times, and she's here to help explain it all.

Nicole, I got to say, I'm completely fascinated by the story just even at a basic technical level before we get to the geopolitical stuff. So, just -- let's start with the method here, which seems somewhat ingenious. There is a cybersecurity company called SolarWinds. Who are they and what do they do?

NICOLE PERLROTH, CYBERSECURITY REPORTER, THE NEW YORK TIMES: So, SolarWinds for years was known as a network monitoring company. It was used by IT administrators to find out what was on their network, who was connected to the cloud, what devices employees were using, and it just gave them a lay of the land.

About two years ago, they became known as a security company. They sort of had rebranded. And they basically are used -- we're learning only now that this attack has taken place by 425 of the Fortune 500 thinks most federal agencies, the NSA, parts of the Pentagon, DHS, and a lot of these users have been compromised.

HAYES: So, my understanding -- and I would love for you to correct me where I'm wrong. My understanding is that somehow this Russian hacking unit was able to compromise a software update of SolarWinds, such that clients who then did -- ran the software update, were essentially installing a kind of back -- hidden backdoor for these hackers into their own systems undetected. Is that -- is that right? Is that more or less what happened?

PERLROTH: That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And they call it a supply chain attack. Basically, they compromise -- just like you said, they compromised software update from SolarWinds that made its way to something like 18,000 Solar Wind customers. And of those, we know that dozens have been compromised.

Now, the group that's behind this, we believe it's a unit of Russian intelligence called the SVR. They're very good. They're very careful. And they have covered their tracks in such a way that they were not about to burn this capability by using up every access they had. We're finding out now that they really went for the high-value targets. And that so far, we know has been parts of the Pentagon, DHS, the Commerce Department, the State Department, and some of the other agencies you mentioned.

HAYES: Right. This is quoting from your -- so quoting from an article, an analysts said that it was hard to know, which was worse. That federal government was blindsided by the Russian intelligence agencies or that when it -- when it was evident, what was happening, White House officials said nothing.

But the key here to me -- or one of the key most important things from my understanding of your reporting is they get this access and they don't trip any wires, they don't trip any alarms, and essentially, no one knows for a pretty long time. And then because they're interested in maximizing the value of the access, they don't just go rummaging willy-nilly because they don't want to let people know about the access. And so there's, we think, months where huge parts of the Federal digital infrastructure was compromised.

PERLROTH: It's really stunning. And I think the thing that is really stunning is the fact that they only found out about it, because FireEye, one of the top cybersecurity firms in the U.S. was itself compromised. And FireEye disclosed that early last week. Now, in rolling back the tape on its own attack, it realized that they started to suspect that this might have been some kind of supply chain attack.

And indeed, they were able to confirm that it had come in through SolarWinds. And so they alerted the -- they alerted law enforcement and alerted the intelligence agencies. It was only through this tip from FireEye that federal agencies learned that they've been hacked.

And so we've been reporting this over the past three days. We know that there was an emergency meeting of the NSC called on Saturday. And since then, it appears that the federal agencies, and the Intelligence Community, and DHS, which was charged with protecting our elections, are -- were caught completely flat footed and have just been trying to understand the extent of the damage inside their networks and understand how badly they were compromised.

HAYES: So, you've got a private company, essentially, it blows the whistle on this because they themselves are compromised through this same supply chain attack. SolarWinds, who's at the center of this, and I would not really want to be their CEO today. There's reporting from Reuters that a security researcher Vinoth Kumar told Reuters last year that he alerted SolarWinds, the company, that anyone could access SolarWinds update server by using the password solarwinds123, which seems like a bad thing.

PERLROTH: Yes. It's not -- it's not a great password, especially not for a company that builds itself as a security company. So, what we're -- what we've been learning over the last couple days is that even though SolarWinds has rebranded itself as a security company a couple of years ago, they didn't have a chief information security officer, which these days is the hallmark of a company that has a very mature approach to security. They didn't have one.

They didn't have a vulnerability disclosure program, which means it was really hard for security researchers to let the company know when they were finding holes in its systems. There was one point last year where on the software repository, GitHub, SolarWinds employees' users credentials, usernames and passwords, were just leaking out onto the site.

And just -- and then, as you mentioned, what Reuters discovered was one of their passwords was solarwinds123. So, we're talking about a company that had such a stunning amount of breadth and depth inside our federal government, inside of like I said, 425 of the Fortune 500, inside the CDC, the NSA, and we're only finding out now just how poor their security was and what a major, major incredible access point Russia had into our systems.

HAYES: Single points of failure will get you every single time. One company, lots of places. Nicole Perlroth, thank you for your great reporting. I really appreciate it.

PERLROTH: Thanks, Chris. Great to be with you.

HAYES: Ahead, more good news in the fight against COVID as the FDA gets ready to OK another vaccine for emergency use. What it means for some of the hardest-hit areas, coming up.


HAYES: All the way back in 1794, the earliest chapter of this nation as an independent nation, the legendary preacher, educator, and writer Richard Allen was born into slavery, founded the African Methodist Episcopal Church or AME church in Philadelphia. It was the first independent Black denomination in the United States.

And it is not overstating things to say it is one of the most important institutions in this country's history. And this was the foundational Black church, a sanctuary for African-Americans under the boot of slavery and persecution, to worship, and to congregate and to fight for civil rights, and for dignity and for equality.

And then in the 1820s, and 1830s, Black worshipers founded two AME churches in Washington D.C., specifically, Israel Bethel and Union Bethel. And the reason they did it was because of disaffection from two mostly White Methodist congregations, which required African-Americans to sit in the gallery.

These churches threw themselves into the cause of abolishing slavery, and they were stations on the Underground Railroad. And church leaders work to increase literacy and to lift up Black Americans. And in 1872, those churches merged to become Metropolitan AME, which is one of the oldest Black churches in D.C. and a legendary center of Black life to this day.

The very first elected African American senator to serve a full term that would be Blanche Bruce of Mississippi during Reconstruction. He was a member. And in 1894, Frederick Douglass gave his final speech there calling for an end to segregation, the American apartheid. Douglass' funeral was held inside the same church the next year.

And then more than a century later, Metropolitan AME hosted the funeral of another civil rights pioneer, legendary activist Rosa Parks. This church has witnessed the tortured history of racial oppression in this country and the centuries-old battle for equality, dignity, self-determination under God to make real the promise that Black lives matter.

And when the nation went through a brutal reckoning this year in protests of racial justice, Metropolitan AME, unsurprisingly, put up a Black Lives Matter sign. And then this weekend, a bunch of marauding supporters of the president came to Downtown D.C., and they gleefully tore that sign down.

This is what it looks like. Metropolitan AME's pastor, Reverend William H. Lamar IV responded in the Washington Post today that "It matter not the sign was ours. The mythology that motivated the perpetrators on Saturday night was the underbelly of the American narrative, that White men can employ violence to take what they want, and do what they want, and call that criminality justice, freedom and liberty."

Metropolitan AME was not the only historic Black church where this happened. It would appear to that Trump supporters also ripped down a Black Lives Matter banner from Asbury United Methodist Church, which dates back to 1836. And then they set the banner on fire. The senior pastor of Asbury United said that that scene that you just saw, for him, was reminiscent of cross burnings.

There have been many, many moments of discussing bigotry that have emanated from the movement that supports this current president. They desecrated two churches that are born witnesses nation struggle for equality, tearing up, burning signs that simply assert that lives of Black Americans matter. Well, that's about as low as it gets.


HAYES: Two big announcements today that should help stop the virus from spreading. Food and Drug Administration authorized the first home test for COVID. It will be available in drugstores without a prescription. And the manufacturer hopes to make three million tests in January. Well, that's a little over a day and a half of testing or not even that, but the FDA also said they intend to authorize a second vaccine. And this one we've been tracking, it's made by Moderna, and they're going to authorize it for emergency use on Friday.

And like the vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, the Moderna vaccine is most effective after two dose of regiment. But there is also evidence that just one dose of Moderna's may stop the virus' spread. It does that by reducing asymptomatic infection.

Now, once the FDA give that go ahead, the government plans to ship six million doses of the Moderna vaccine across the country, and the Pfizer vaccine continues to be developed and distributed as well. North Carolina's Democratic Governor Roy Cooper wrote a recent op-ed titled "Help is on the way." The number of COVID patients in his state's hospitals doubling in the last month. He knows right now, even two vaccines are not enough.

The Governor of North Carolina Roy Cooper joins me now. Governor, it's great to have you. First, I guess, just a sense of where things stand in your state right now. We're seeing, you know, the epicenter of this -- of this wave started on the Midwest. We're starting to see Midwest cases and hospitalizations coming down, but every other region in the country is still on that upward slope. Where are you in North Carolina?

GOV. ROY COOPER (D-NC): Well, thanks for having me on, Chris. From day one in this pandemic, governors have taken the lead, has stepped into the breach by coordinating, testing, and tracing, fighting for PPE, making the hard decisions on restrictions, educating people, telling them the truth. And now, it's going to be our job to make sure that we distribute this vaccine respectively and efficiently in our states.

We also know that we're not going to be able to achieve herd immunity through vaccinations for several months. So, we have some dark months ahead of us. And we're going to have to keep working on the things we know that worked, masks, social distancing, gathering limits. In North Carolina, we have restrictions in place like bars being closed. I have a modified stay at home order where people have to be home by 10:00.

We're going to have to keep working. I know people are tired of this, but we cannot let weariness win. People are getting sick and dying. And it's up to all of us to try to come together, particularly after this election now, and do what we need to do to slow the spread of this virus.

HAYES: I saw polling from North Carolina on the vaccine. A poll released last week says that less than half of North Carolina residents would take the vaccine. Only 40 percent of North Carolina respondents said they would get an FDA approved vaccine to fight the virus. I imagine getting that number up is going to be an enormous goal of yours. How do you approach that?

COOPER: Well, a lot of ways. First, we're going to engage and already have engaged community leaders, faith leaders, healthcare leaders, doing public service announcements. And we're showing that these vaccines were approved by independent bodies of expert scientists who really have no stake in the game, and that things are much more transparent.

And we believe that these vaccines are going to be effective and safe. And we're going to continue to work. I mean, there are a lot of reasons. People come at this a lot of different ways. But there's no question that these vaccines are going to be safe and effective. And we're trying to get that message out throughout communities.

We're particularly worried about the African-American community, a lot of understandable, deep-seated concern because of the horrible history that is there. But we have a lot of leaders in the African American community who are stepping up and saying this is something that we need to do because we know this pandemic has hit communities of color inequitably hard.

And so, we've got to work continue to make sure that we get this vaccine out across our state and across the country.

HAYES: One thing that we've seen over the last nine or 10 months, and it's been a dispiriting is a sort of polarization around a bunch of sort of basic core issues about, you know, the public health guidance or mass or things like that. And you're in a very divided state, obviously, politically. I wonder if you see that on the vaccine or no.

It would seem to me that you wouldn't see it on a vaccine necessarily, insofar as obviously President Trump views it as a great accomplishment of his and has bragged about it. One would imagine Conservative Republican lawmakers who are fans of the President, you know, going along and saying this is important. Like, is there unity and unanimity on the vaccine or is that another thing that you anticipate being polarized?

COOPER: You know, you don't see as much violent opposition to the vaccine as you do masks and social distancing and some of the other restrictions that really can help us slow the virus. What we have mostly with people is skepticism. A lot of it is based on disinformation.

And so, we're trying to get the truth out to the people about vaccines. And what I'm hoping is that the population will come around on this. This is going to be so important for us to get everybody vaccinated as quickly as we can. We're starting with frontline health care workers and staff and residents in long term care facilities, then we'll move to adults with two or more chronic conditions, and trying to get the vaccine to the people who would more easily get sick and die or who are fighting on the front lines for all of us courageously.

And I really tipped my hat and I'm so grateful for these health care workers who are working day in and day out, each shift so tiring. And so, they -- a lot of them, when the vaccine came out, there was such emotion, and such relief that it was finally here.

And I'm proud of the people in North Carolina, the researchers and the scientists at our universities in Research Triangle Park. They'd been studying and researching coronaviruses for years. And it's a remarkable achievement of science and technology to get these vaccines to market so quickly.

We've taken advantage of that now. Now we need to make it work. And let's turn the corner on this pandemic. It's time that we do that.

HAYES: All right, Governor Roy Cooper in the state of North Carolina, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

COOPER: Thanks, Chris.

HAYES: Coming up, a top White House official with a severe case of COVID-19 who didn't get the same care as the president and his buddies. The story you have not heard next.


HAYES: We've seen dozens of COVID cases in the White House. We know a lot of the names of the folks who have contracted the virus. People like Hope Hicks, senior aide in the White House, one of the President's closest confidant. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson who was quite sick, presidential lawyer and conspiracy theorist Rudy Giuliani, of course, there was Donald Trump himself who was quite famously hospitalized with the virus.

All of those people receive top-notch medical care including care that's not available generally to the public. Today, we learn more about another White House COVID patient, someone you probably haven't heard of, someone who isn't famous and who isn't coming out of this ordeal saying he feels 20 years younger, like the president.

His story is detailed by Jennifer Jacobs, senior national political reporter at Bloomberg who has broken many of the stories of COVID in the White House and she's here with us tonight. Jennifer, first of all, you've been doing incredible reporting on this beat, as strange as a beat as it may be. Can you tell us about Mr. Crede, the head of White House Security and his battle with this illness?

JENNIFER JACOBS, SENIOR NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, BLOOMBERG: Well, he's one of the White House of officials that didn't come out of this with very few consequences. He actually had some very severe consequences. So, he's the head of White House Security, which is his role is the person that handles personnel security, clearance to come onto campus, onto White House campus, passes and things like that. He works very closely with the Secret Service on security matters around the campus. He works in a skiff in a building near the White House on the White House campus.

And we reported in October that he'd been hospitalized in September with the Coronavirus. And that's pretty much all we knew about him until recently, we were alerted to a GoFundMe page that a family friend of his had created to raise money for him.

And we verified that this GoFundMe page was indeed legitimate and valid, and the family friend outlined in the public documents on the GoFundMe page some of the consequences of what had happened to him during his three months in the hospital.

And one of the consequences was he had some complications from the Coronavirus, and he needed an amputation. He lost his big toe on his left foot. And on his right, he lost his right foot as well as the lower part of his leg. So, he had some very severe consequences, is in a rehabilitation facility now near Washington, according to this family friend.

HAYES: Crede Bailey, who's this gentleman's name and who you report on -- I remember reading your piece back in October about him. I had not encountered people that I knew who'd ended up with amputations or not sort of seen that firsthand until this.

The GoFundMe page is striking. I mean, this is someone who works in the White House with a pretty serious and important job, who now appears to be facing very significant medical debt.

JACOBS: Right. So, I wasn't able to talk to the family. His family is very private and has asked the White House to not publicize his case. But we know from what his family friend wrote on the GoFundMe page that she says he has staggering medical bills.

Of course, he's a federal employee with good health insurance. But she did say that as a consequence of his amputations, that he needs various adjustments to his home. He needs a different shower modification in his bathroom. He needs handrails. He needs his car modified to accommodate a wheelchair. So, she said his medical costs have just really racked up.

HAYES: More broadly here -- I mean, one of the things that your reporting has been so important for is just reminding everyone that the White House is a workplace. It's a workplace where a whole bunch of people work. Reporters like yourself, individuals like Mr. Bailey, folks that are in the staff of the kitchen. And all those folks are being -- you know, they have to do their job. And they're often it seems because of White House policies, which appear to be charitably fairly lacks, often seem as being exposed to a significant amount of danger of viral transmission.

JACOBS: Right. There have been a lot of White House officials who have been exposed to this, even though they're in one of the most secured compounds in the world. We know of at least four dozen people connected to this. But we just don't know a whole lot of details about how Crede Bailey contracted the virus. I don't know the origins of that. So, it's unclear where he got it.

But we do know that he worked in a secure office on the White House campus, was diagnosed in September. And remember, this was pre-election. I'm told that Crede Bailey is a very, very strong supporter of President Trump. And when he contracted this virus and was in the hospital, this was at the point of time when the President was telling the public -- remember, he tweeted when he got out of Walter Reed Medical Center, don't be afraid of this virus. We have all sorts of knowledge and drugs to take care of people, and at the same time Crede Bailey was in the hospital.

HAYES: Is your sense that any corner has been turned in the White House in terms of its protocols? I saw complaints from the White House Correspondents Association just the other day that Kristi Noem, the governor of South Dakota sort of walkthrough on a tour unmasked in a very, very close and confined space. Had things improved there protocol wise?

JACOBS: Well, I know from my reporting that over the months, things did improve as cases broke out here and there starting way back in March when one of the Vice President's aides got sick, and then one other vice president -- the press secretary to the Vice President got sick in May. Different protocols were put in place over those months.

I do know that White House staffs wear masks when we're walking around in the hallways. There are -- there's hand sanitizer, free masks if there are many people who take extreme precautions in the White House including some of the people who did get the Coronavirus are among some of the people who were the most cheerful about the virus.

HAYES: Yes. Well, getting the virus is not some, you know, some bad -- being insufficiently vigilant the thing is implacable. Jennifer Jacobs who is a one-woman test and trace team on the White House beat, great reporting and thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

JACOBS: Thank you.

HAYES: That is ALL IN on this Tuesday night. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" starts right now. Good evening, Rachel.


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