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Coronavirus crisis TRANSCRIPT: 3/5/20,The Last Word w/ Lawrence O'Donnell

Guests: Lily Adams, Monica Hesse, Cecile Richards, Katie Porter

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST:  Oh, no, no, Bailey gets as much time as Bailey needs. We all know that.


O`DONNELL:  Thank you, Rachel.

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST:  Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL:  My best to senator, my best to Bailey. Give bailey a hug for me. Thank you all.

Well, Elizabeth Warren is first and always a teacher. She tried to teach America more details of government policy than any other presidential candidate this year. She tried to teach little girls that running for president is what girls do.

And she taught Congresswoman Katie Porter in the classroom when Katie Porter was one of Professor Elizabeth Warren`s lot students at Harvard Law School. Katie Porter endorsed her former professor and friend Elizabeth Warren for president. And Katie Porter will join us at the end of this hour tonight in a special last word about the woman who inspired her to become a law professor herself and then run for Congress because that`s what girls do.

This is one of those days when you wonder what America is capable of, not in a good way. It`s not it feeling we had watching President Kennedy win the election in 1960 and realize altogether as once as a country that, yes, a Roman Catholic could be elected president of the United States, which was not believed possible until John Kennedy did it, until JFK won the presidency by less than 1 percent of the vote.

You could feel American progress in that moment. You could feel a much more dramatic step in American progress when Barack Obama won the Iowa caucuses in 2008 in the overwhelmingly white state of Iowa. And then as tears of joy fell from millions of eyes around the country, Barack Obama joined by his family gave a victory speech in Grant Park in Chicago the night he won the presidency.

Those were the tears of joy for a jolt of progress that many of us thought we would not live to see, a black man standing in a park named for the general who won the war that ended slavery in this country, accepting victory in a presidential campaign. You had a right to feel then that women were next. You had a right to feel that surely a woman could break through the barrier blocking them from the presidency.

At the beginning of this presidential campaign, you had a right to believe as I did that it was possible that the Democratic convention would nominate a woman for president and a woman for vice president because the most qualified field of women candidates in history were running for president. Four United States senators two of them representing the two biggest states with Democratic senators, California and New York. The other two from states that had delivered Democratic nominees for president before, Minnesota and Massachusetts, and now they are all gone from the presidential campaign, and you have a right to wonder what America is capable of. You have a right to wonder what it takes for a woman to win the presidency.

The world has passed us by on this point of social progress. India elected a woman prime minister in 1966. Israel elected a woman prime minister, Golda Meir, in 1969. The United Kingdom elected Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1979. Pakistan elected Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in 1988.

Even Malawi where only 7 percent of girls graduate from high school, Joyce Banda, was elected vice president and ascended to the presidency when the president died in 2012. Malawi has had five presidents, five. And one of them was a woman.

The United States is on its 45th male president, and you have a right to be tired of men running for president. You have a right to be tired of watching men take the oath of office. You have a right to shed a tear today over where women are in American politics or as Nancy Pelosi put it today, almost cry when she was asked when she was asked about Elizabeth Warren dropping out of the presidential race.


REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA):  Every time I get introduced as the most powerful woman, I almost cry because I think I wish that were not true. I also wish we had a woman president of the United States, and we came very close to doing that, a woman who was better qualified than so many people who have sought that office and even won it. But I do -- I think that -- I think the American people are ready.


O`DONNELL:  She`s so right. Elizabeth Warren is better qualified than so many people who have run for president, and better qualified than so many people who have won the presidency. But that wasn`t good enough.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA):  So I announced this morning that I am suspending my campaign for president. I say this with a deep sense of gratitude for every single person who got in this fight, every single person who tried on a new idea, every single person who just moved a little in their notion of what a president of the United States should look like.


O`DONNELL:  Elizabeth Warren said she no regrets.


WARREN:  I have no regrets at all. This has been the honor of a lifetime. Ten years ago, I was teaching a few blocks from here and talking about what was broken in America and ideas for how to fix it, and pretty much nobody wanted to hear it. And I`ve had a chance to get out there and talk with millions of people.


O`DONNELL:  Elizabeth Warren said today and repeated to Rachel tonight that she`s not ready to endorse Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders for president. They each spoke to Elizabeth Warren by phone yesterday, and they each issued the standard tweet saluting the latest candidate to leave the race today. And they are each hoping for Elizabeth Warren`s endorsement.

Elizabeth Warren was asked today what it was like to stand in her voting booth in Cambridge, Massachusetts, on Tuesday and see her name on the ballot for president of the United States.


WARREN:  I stood in that voting booth and I looked down and I saw my name on the ballot, and I thought, wow, kiddo, you`re not in Oklahoma anymore. That it really was a moment of thinking about how my mother and dad if they were still here would feel about this. I had gotten a long e-mail from my nephew and how proud his dad, my brother is, and how they all had their plans to vote and met other people. And it is -- it`s these long times for that moment standing in the booth, I miss my mom and my daddy.


O`DONNELL:  That`s right, kids, that feeling never goes away. No matter how old you are, there will be times when you miss your mom and daddy even when you`re 70 years old, especially when you are 70 years old and looking at your name on a ballot for president of the United States.

Elizabeth Warren went on at length about her gratitude to her campaign staff and her volunteers all around the country who up ended their lives to devote themselves to her campaign as have the staff and volunteers of every other campaign. Elizabeth Warren said disappointing those volunteers all over the country was one of the hardest parts of deciding to end her presidential campaign, and there was something else that was uniquely hard for Elizabeth Warren today.


WARREN:  One of the hardest parts of this is all those pinkie promises and all those little girls who are going to have to wait four more years. That`s going to be hard.


O`DONNELL:  Two of the unique features of the warren campaign were Elizabeth Warren`s willingness to pose for an unlimited number of selfies after her campaign events including one night in Washington Square Park in Greenwich Village where she posed for selfies for four hours after that event for thousands of people.

The other unique feature of the Warren campaign were those pinkie promises.


WARREN:  Hello. What`s your name?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  This is Caroline.

WARREN:  Hi, Caroline.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She wants to be president one day, too.

WARREN:  Good. So, Caroline, my name`s Elizabeth. I`m running for president because that`s what girls do. Pinkie promise to remember? Can you do pinkie promise? Let`s see. Can you do it?

I think you`ve got it. There we go.

All right, Caroline, we`re in this together. Take care, sweetie. Bye-bye.

The little girls are one of the best parts of this.


O`DONNELL:  And one of the best parts of this presidential campaign was Senator Elizabeth Warren.

Leading off our discussion tonight is Joy Reid, an MSNBC national correspondent and host of "A.M. JOY." She`s the author of "The Man Who Sold America."

Lily Adams is with us, she`s the former communications director for Kamala Harris` 2020 presidential campaign. She served as Hillary Clinton`s spokesperson in the 2016 presidential election.

And Monica Hesse is here. She`s a columnist for "The Washington Post."

Joy Reid, let me start with you and just get your reaction to we are now left with what Bernie Sanders has described as the two old white guys.

JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT:  You know, it`s interesting, I loved your opening and that you went through all these other countries that have managed to elect a woman head of state. And I went back because earlier when I was in my office preparing to come on later, I looked up that same list of countries that have done that and I found one even earlier than yours, Lawrence.

I found Sirimavo Bandaranaike, 1960 Sri Lanka elected Ms. Bandaranaike to be the prime minister of Sri Lanka, 1960.

Twelve years later, Shirley Chisholm runs for president of the United States. She was not able to get there. When I was a toddler, my mom took me to see her way back in the `70s.

And that idea of a woman president has just persisted as this sort of unreachable dream I think for a lot of us seemed less unreachable than a black president. But when you think about this country`s complicated relationship with gender and race, you know, as much as people who looked like me were despised by the men who created this country, they still conceded to allow their former enslaved black men, you know, male servants to vote 50 years before they let their own wives and daughters vote, right?

The fight for women`s suffrage had to be fought all the way into the 20th century including by formerly enslaved women who had to fight for white women to get the rights of their husbands and fathers.

So, this country has a tortured relationship with gender just as we do with race. And I think we`re seeing it right now that it is even more tortured than a lot of people could have even imagined when Hillary Clinton was denied the White House.

O`DONNELL:  Lily Adams, you went through this kind of day with Kamala Harris` campaign. I want to listen to something that Elizabeth Warren told Rachel about what it feels like and then I want to get your reaction to this. She was talking about all the young people who she brought into her own campaign, and I know that was true in the Harris campaign and how they will never be the same after this.

Let`s listen to this.


WARREN:  I thought about all of these mostly very young people who have fought a campaign with passion and conviction who have learned whole sets of new skills, who have seen a campaign that wasn`t built on sucking up to millionaires and billionaires, who`s -- who had been part of a campaign that ran on real ideas, and as you say, ran on competence. And they all got pieces of it, they were all important parts of it. And now, they`ll leave this campaign, but they`ll never be the same.


O`DONNELL:  Lily, your reaction to that.

LILY ADAMS, FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, KAMALA HARRIS 2020 CAMPAIGN:  Yes, I mean, I think she`s right. I think Elizabeth Warren much like Senator Harris put together an unprecedented, you know, campaign team just in terms of talent but also in terms of diversity both of the two of them along with many other candidates really did prioritize putting together a campaign team that looked like the Democratic Party, looked like the people that wanted to vote for them.

And I`ll just that when we do elect a woman president, and I say when because we`re going to do that at some point, it will be because of Kamala and Elizabeth. It will be because of Shirley Chisholm and Kirsten Gillibrand and Amy Klobuchar and others who tried to reach the same post, Hillary Clinton for sure.

It`ll also be because of the all the thousands of women and men who stood behind these candidates and gave their all every single day for many times more than a year, for Hillary Clinton about two years, to try to make that goal a reality, because each one of us tried to chip away a bit at that glass ceiling.

O`DONNELL:  And lily, I`m glad you mentioned Hillary Clinton`s campaign especially since you worked on it, but I kind of delivered a sort of depressing tweet about this today and about, you know, no country for old men. It seems like it is a country for old men. It`s no country for women presidential candidates and someone reminded me, wait, Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump.

That`s -- that`s the part we often lose sight of in this discussion. Four years ago the woman candidate for president did get the most votes.

ADAMS:  Yes, you`re certainly right. And, you know, again, to quote Senator Elizabeth Warren never lest while we persist. So, this is certainly possible again. But I think this is reminder and why it`s such a gut punch for women today is this is not inevitable and frankly it should be.

Women are the majority of the Democratic Party. They`re the majority of this country. They should be at least half the representatives in Congress. They should be half the representatives or more in the Supreme Court. They should be in the White House.

But that only happens when people vote and support women. It only happens when people donate to women. It is not an inevitable thing that will just one day we`ll wake up and angels will come down from on high and it`ll just happen.

So it is, you know, I think a wakeup call to a lot of people about the sexism and misogyny that still exists in this country that is so difficult for women who are running for president to overcome.

O`DONNELL:  Monica Hesse, you wrote a beautiful column in "The Washington Post" today that really struck me. You said that many women saw themselves in Elizabeth Warren, and you wrote about how Elizabeth Warren made what she was doing look easy. And then there was this really powerful line in there about a friend of yours who said she worried -- let`s see, she said that she worried she loved Elizabeth Warren too much. She said that it scared her how much she loved Elizabeth Warren.

Expand on that.

MONICA HESSE, THE WASHINGTON POST, COLUMNIST, STYLE SECTION:  I think that Elizabeth Warren spoke to women in a way that they were waiting to see in a candidate because she made being a woman a part of her candidacy. She spoke about her experiences with pregnancy and pregnancy discrimination. She spoke about being a mother. She spoke about being a teacher which is heavily female profession.

She didn`t try to portray herself as just an agent or a candidate. She portrayed herself as a woman and I think that spoke to a lot of people.

O`DONNELL:  You also talked about the kind of questions she had to answer, which she actually answered quite gracefully including one kind of moisturizer does she use, the kind of thing that would never, never come to a male candidate for president.

HESSE:  I think that when we hear Elizabeth Warren being asked what`s her skin care routine, there`s a way to look at that that says this is sexist question that would never be asked of a male candidate, but she dealt with it in such a grateful and inviting way that made women think it is possible to have a skin care routine and also to have a plan for child care and the maternal care of mothers.

So she was really inviting in the way that she talked about learning -- learning the legacies of her older cousins, whether that came from dealing with child care or whether it came from using Ponds moisturizer.

O`DONNELL:  And, Joy, "The Atlantic" -- there`s also another brilliant piece in "The Atlantic" today. Under the headline "America punished Elizabeth Warren for her confidence". There was the line women candidates are punished still for public displays of ambition.

REID:  Yes, amen, because look how much people adore Elizabeth Warren now that she`s not seeking power. Hillary Clinton was incredibly popular before she started seeking power. Kamala Harris while she was seeking the presidency was vilified for being a prosecutor, when we have prosecutors on this air all the time people love.

What I would say to women is that, you know, you`ve probably been voting for flawed male candidates your whole life. I always say the hungriest constituency wins, right? Hillary Clinton couldn`t even win a majority of her sisters.

And so, the reality is, when women get good and ready to have a woman president, they will insist on it. They won`t care if the person isn`t perfect. They won`t demand that they tell them what moisturizer they use. They will insist on it.

Black voters insisted on it in 2008. They saw somebody viable and said we`re going to get this. Be the hungriest constituency, and you can have a progressive candidate.

You had somebody who would give you all what was offered by Bernie Sanders in a woman who said she actually had a plan to get enacted. Women had it in this grasp and let it go, and I think next time, women should just do differently.

O`DONNELL:  Monica Hesse, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. I`ve been texting your column, your "Washington Post" column to everyone today. Everyone should go to to read it.

Joy Reid, please hang around for a later discussion in this hour.

And, Lily Adams, we`re going to need you to hang around because someone`s coming up who I would like you to join on camera. Cecile Richards who -- oh, let me check my notes -- happens to be your mother. This will be your first TV interview together. We really appreciate you doing that.

And coming up, what will the two man race be like without Elizabeth Warren on that debate stage? That`s next.



MADDOW:  You outlasted Mike Bloomberg in this campaign?

WARREN:  Oh, yes, was he still in that race?

MADDOW:  He was still in that race but nobody could tell after you destroyed him on the debate stage that way. A lot of postmortems on his campaign credit you with basically single-handedly tanking his candidacy with the way you took him apart in that debate. Do you -- is that what you were trying to do?


MADDOW:  Do you take credit?

WARREN:  Sure. But the point is he`s not going to be the Democratic nominee, and he shouldn`t be the Democratic nominee.


O`DONNELL:  Well, the guys won`t have to try to shout over Elizabeth Warren on the debate stage anymore.

Joining us now is Yamiche Alcindor, White House correspondent for the PBS NewsHour and an MSNBC political analyst. Yamiche has moderated a number of Democratic presidential debates for PBS.

Joy Reid is back with us.

Yamiche, your reaction to Elizabeth Warren`s interview tonight, her exit from the campaign today.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST:  Well, I think my -- the reaction and what I`m hearing is a real sense of frustration among women in this country who really feel like Elizabeth Warren was treated differently than other male candidates mainly you could see that when she started to gain momentum there started to be real questions how you`re going to pay for Medicare-for-All, how are you going to pay for all these plans, and when she was giving detailed answers and giving real answers like, give me a minute, I`m going to think that out, people were not asking the same questions. At least her supporters think of Bernie Sanders and others who have been able to rise by putting into -- putting real detail into all of their plans and how they`re going to pay for it.

So, I think what you`re seeing in Elizabeth Warren`s campaign and her supporters is a real sense women are treated differently in this country in their eyes in the sense that of course now what Elizabeth Warren said and what we knew was almost true 2 1/2 years which is there are two real lanes here. There`s a more moderate lane with Joe Biden or there`s a more progressive lane with Bernie Sanders held out to be true, even when you had this bursts of diverse candidates among Democrats this cycle. It was really all for nothing in some cases.

O`DONNELL:  Yes, let`s listen to Elizabeth Warren`s analysis of those two lanes to the nomination.


WARREN:  I was told at the beginning of this whole undertaking that there are two lanes, a progressive lane that Bernie Sanders is the incumbent for, and a moderate lane that Joe Biden`s the incumbent for, and there`s no room for anyone else in this. I felt that wasn`t right, but evidently I was wrong.


O`DONNELL:  Joy Reid, might that just be the whole story? There were only those two lanes. Bernie Sanders had the lane that Elizabeth Warren tried to get in. He just had it blocked.

REID:  Well, yes. And I think it`s interesting that there were two people in the progressive lane because Elizabeth Warren offers -- she also agrees in clearing college debt. She also agrees with Medicare for all except that she was goaded into giving detailed plan as how to pay for it and as a woman she complied and did it whereas Bernie Sanders just refuses to tell you.

But the difference between the two of them is that she`s saying she`s going to do it from within the capitalist frame and as a Democrat. Bernie Sanders is saying, by the way, I`m a Democratic socialist, something he`d have to defend in a general election, right? And without being able to explain the pay-fors is left with sort of raising the prices on the middle class, the taxes on the middle class and et cetera, she actually has a complicated version of what she is.

So, it`s ironic voters insisted ongoing with Senator Sanders rather than choosing Senator Warren who is an actually easier to elect version in a lot of ways of what Sanders is offering. But I think that is where people I think felt is a director sort of anti-woman kind of aspect to it.

O`DONNELL:  Rachel and Elizabeth Warren talked about the nastiness of some of the candidates` followers online. Let`s listen to that part of the conversation.


WARREN:  I want to say this for all the candidates back when there were lots of us. We are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really threatening, ugly, dangerous things for other -- to other candidates.

MADDOW:  And it`s a particularly -- it`s a particular problem with Sanders` supporters.

WARREN:  It is.

MADDOW:  Have you ever talked with Senator Sanders about that?

WARREN:  I have.

MADDOW:  And what was that conversation like?

WARREN:  It was short.


O`DONNELL:  Yamiche, that was all she wanted to say about that.

ALCINDOR:  That`s right, and as we await who Senator Warren will endorse, the Democratic officials and Democratic experts I`ve been talking to tonight, they really leaned in close when she started talking about the Bernie bros and the vitriol online for Bernie Sanders supporters because she basically said Bernie Sanders has the unique situation in his campaign. His supporters have put women`s lives, women of colors lives at risk I know personally and he has a responsibility to do better, and she, of course, gave him a plan which is, of course, characteristic of her.

She said, well, maybe what they need to do is have a sort of rapid response where every day they collect a bunch of tweets and say these are the type of things we will not tolerate. These are the type of things we don`t want to back.

Of course, the Sanders campaign at the moment isn`t doing that. Bernie Sanders has condemned that. But Elizabeth warren has made it clear she doesn`t think Sanders is doing enough to stem the tide of all the vitriol online coming from his supporters.

O`DONNELL:  Yamiche Alcindor and Joy Reid, thank you both for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it.

REID:  Thank you.

O`DONNELL:  And when we come back, President Trump continues to lie and continue Tuesday contradict the experts as he fumbles his way through the coronavirus crisis. That`s next.


O`DONNELL:  There are now at least 226 confirmed Coronavirus cases in 21 states. Today Nevada, Tennessee, Colorado and Maryland reported their first Coronavirus cases. 12 people have died nationwide. 11 of those were in two counties in Washington State.

The school district that includes parts of those counties has closed all of its 36 schools for up to two weeks affecting some 23,000 students. One person died in California where Governor Gavin Newsom declared a State of Emergency today.

A cruise ship is being held off the Coast of San Francisco tonight. About 20 people onboard the ship are showing symptoms. A man who died near Sacramento yesterday had traveled on that cruise ship last month. Test kits were flown out to the ship and results are expected tomorrow.

The Trump Administration admitted today it will not meet its promise to have a million Coronavirus tests available by the end of the week. And as the President continues to contradict his health experts, the DOW closed today down 969 points or 3.5 percent.

The House and Senate passed a Coronavirus supplemental funding bill of $8.3 billion, quadruple the amount requested by the Trump Administration. The President is scheduled to sign that bill tomorrow.

Joining our discussion now is the Anchor of "MSNBC Live" with Stephanie Ruhle, and the Co-Anchor of "Velshi and Ruhle" and she is an NBC News Correspondent. Stephanie thank you very much for joining us tonight.

What do you see - is the stock market reflecting an understanding basically in the corporate community, in the business community that the Trump Administration has no idea what it`s doing, no idea what`s going to happen next, and the thing the markets hate the most is uncertainty?

STEPHANIE RUHLE, MANBC ANCHOR: Uncertainty and what`s very clear at this point they`re completely discounting any information they`re getting from the Trump Administration. And I can tell you from people I`m speaking to close to this administration it`s making the President very unhappy to see corporate America taking just drastic precautionary measures around the virus.

But of course they would. Everything is about trusted information, and whenever we are facing a crisis whether it`s Ebola, SARS, or the financial crisis, leaders of the business world and the government get together and say what the true risks at hand are and what can we do to ensure safety?

They know that`s not they`re getting. The President over and over misrepresenting the severity of this even his Economic Adviser Larry Kudlow just days ago instructs people to buy the market. Who`s the person who is saying to saying to corporate leaders this is what`s really going on?

Is it Jared Kushner, Steve Mnuchin, his son-in-law or his Former Campaign Adviser who once said that Trump had near perfect genes? There`s no one. So if you`re a Fortune 500 CEO, yes, you don`t like to see your stock going down.

But you know you don`t have a 6 month time horizon like the President does in an election and you need to take safety precautions. And that`s why you`re seeing that happen.

O`DONNELL: And Elizabeth Warren just said to Rachel, I`m quoting, an incompetent administration is like its own natural disaster. He`s not listening to the scientists. He`s not listening to the experts. And it`s not just the market that knows that, Stephanie. It`s the entire country that knows that.

RUHLE: This is the best example, Lawrence, where the market isn`t even the economy we really see it. Yes, the market is down but do you realize the trickledown effect? When all of these schools are closed all the working families that don`t have adequate child care, all the children in this country that get free breakfast and lunch in the school, they`re suffering.

When IBM says we`re going to close down our campus and send all our employees home think about all the side business that are going to suffer? This economy has been driven by the consumer. The consumer has gone home for safety.

O`DONNELL: Stephanie Ruhle, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it.

RUHLE: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: And when we come back Cecile Richards will join us with what she expects from the Democratic Nominee for President now that all of the women have dropped out of the race. She will be joined by her daughter, Lily Adams, in their first television interview together. And that is next.


O`DONNELL: The very first political convention that I ever attended was the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988. And when I walked into that convention hall this was what was happening. It was in the middle of this speech.


ANN RICHARDS, TEXAS STATE TREASURER: And for eight straight years George Bush hasn`t displayed the slightest interest in anything we care about. And now that he`s after a job that he can`t get appointed to, he`s like Columbus discovering America. He`s found child care. He`s found education. Poor, George. He can`t help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.


O`DONNELL: That was the most charismatic elected official in the United States of America at that time the future Governor of Texas, Ann Richards. Many people in the convention hall that night wondered why she wasn`t the Democratic Nominee for President instead of Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis who went on to defeat in November.

And joining us now the daughter and granddaughter of the legendary Ann Richards, Cecile Richards, Co-Founder of the women`s political group "Super Majority", and Former President of "Planned Parenthood", and her daughter Lily Adams is back with us.

Cecile I can`t tell you what it was like for me my first convention walking in there and seeing your mother`s shining hair way up there on that podium and listening to a political speech unlike any I ever heard. She just held that entire place in her hand as you know.

I`m sure you were there at the time. And ever since then the dream of the woman President has just been growing and growing and growing. And here we are tonight with as I`ve said before what Bernie Sanders describes as just the two old white guys left in the race.

CECILE RICHARDS, CO-FOUNDER, SUPERMAJORITY: Well, it`s - of course I remember that evening, that night. And of course Lily was there. She was just a child like 1-year-old. But there were actually two other things that happened that night I think are appropriate for tonight, Lawrence.

One is of course mom was only the second woman to ever give a keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention. The other had been Barbara Jordan. And I think the record hasn`t gotten better since then.

And the second thing she said, you know, Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did. She simply did it backwards and in high heels, which I think is really appropriate for what we`re dealing with now in terms of thinking about what the women who have been running for President have to go through just to be considered equal to the men.

O`DONNELL: Lily, you`re in a unique position for observations about this having worked on Hillary Clinton`s Campaign, the campaign that got more votes for President of the United States than the opponent worked on Kamala Harris` Campaign this year. What`s your level of frustration with the woman for President Challenge?

LILY ADAMS, FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR KAMALA HARRIS CAMPAIGN 2020: Well, look, I think, you know, for a lot of us the reason it`s a gut punch that, you know, Senator Warren has left the race today is that it`s the culmination of not just the most diverse field becoming not diverse, but also the most women ever part of a Presidential field obviously one by one leaving this race.

Culminating in this one today, and I think it sort of cements that feeling women who running for President that you know you have to run twice as fast to get so far. And so but I think to for many women that I talked especially young women who work in politics it`s also like really lit a fire that we are more determined than ever.

There are now thousands of people who have worked for all these candidates who I think feel a renewed commitment to this - you know, this goal of making sure that we elect a woman to the White House sooner rather than later.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to what Elizabeth Warren said tonight to Rachel about not losing hope.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA): It`s that we can`t lose hope over this.


WARREN: We can`t lose hope because the only way we make change is we get back up tomorrow and we get back in the fight. We persist. That is how we make change. And it feels like we`re never going to make change until we make change. We were never going to elect a catholic until we elected a catholic.

We were never going to elect a black man until we elected a black man. And we`re never going to elect a woman until we elect a woman, so we`re just going to stay in this.


O`DONNELL: Cecile, at the beginning of this hour I said that at the beginning of this campaign you had a right to believe and I suspected it was possible that you could have a woman Presidential Nominee and a woman Vice Presidential Nominee at this convention this year. What is your hope for this convention now?

RICHARDS: Well, I think it is really important that whoever is the nominee for the Democratic Party that there is a woman on this ticket. And women - you know, we talk about when will there be a woman? Well, it`s when actually we open the doors and we lift women up. And there are so many qualified women now to be both President and Vice President.

I think that`s something that I hope that message is coming across. Women are where a majority of voters in this country, a majority of the volunteers and campaigns. We`re doing all of the work, and it`s really important that we have a government that represents us, and that would be one of the fastest ways to begin to move towards this moment, which I know we`re all ready for and fighting for and that is to have a woman finally be elected President of the United States.

O`DONNELL: And Lily, as soon as Kamala Harris dropped out of the race I remember saying at the time she went right to the top of the Vice Presidential possibility list for the Democratic Nominee. You now have Elizabeth Warren on that list with Kamala Harris. What is your expectation for the Vice Presidential choice at this point?

ADAMS: Well, look, I think the great thing is that nothing has to be sacrificed to pick a qualified woman to be Vice President. I think that there`s plenty, there is women Governors. I saw Gretchen Whitmore endorsed Vice President for Michigan. She would be fantastic.

There are a whole you know a half-dozen women Senators who would be great. There are fantastic members of Congress and local leaders and Mayors. There are a whole slew of qualified women. And so I think the message to the nominee is that you actually - you don`t lose anything. There`s no risk involved nominating a woman to be on the ticket.

It`s actually it is only beneficial to you because there are so many qualified women in this country who I think really will speak to a lived experience of a majority of voters in November.

O`DONNELL: I want to listen to something Elizabeth Warren said to you, Cecile, in your interview with her. Let`s listen to this.


WARREN: I always thought I would do this as a teacher, but then the fight comes to your door and you can back away or you can jump all the way in. And that`s what happened to me. Sometimes the fight is getting extra child care. Sometimes the fight is to fire a CEO of Wells Fargo so badly that the guy had to resign.

Sometimes the fight is to meet a little girl and say hello my name is Elizabeth and I`m running for President because that`s what girls do.


O`DONNELL: Cecile, your mother was that kind that inspiration and Elizabeth Warren is one of this generation`s inspirations like that. The message I hope is getting through that that`s what girls do.

RICHARDS: Yes, I mean I think that`s - and Elizabeth said it herself tonight. I think all the women who have run for President have touched literally thousands - hundreds of thousands, millions of women in this country, and I do kind of I love thinking about this tonight because I thought about, you know my mom, Lily`s grandmother, Ann Richards, who there are now women in the legislature in the State of Texas.

We have the first women in Congress that are Latina in the State of Texas. There are a slew of women now in office in Texas, and that is how change happens. I think we all wish that change would happen faster, but the most important thing is what Ann Richards believed, what Elizabeth Warren said tonight, which is you can`t give up hope.

And she has already changed this country for the good even if a lot of us feel obviously really sad. And we`re hopeful that this would be the year.

O`DONNELL: I am so glad that our video library with a video of your mother allowed us to have all three generations in this segment tonight, and such an honor to have you here as mother and daughter. Cecile Richards and Lily Adams, really appreciate you joining us tonight.

RICHARDS: Thank you, Lawrence.

ADAMS: Thanks.

O`DONNELL: And when we come back, Congresswoman Katie Porter was a student of Professor Elizabeth Warren at Harvard Law School. Elizabeth Warren inspired Katie Porter to become a law professor herself and then a member of Congress. Katie Porter will get tonight`s last word about Elizabeth Warren, and that is next.



WARREN: Maybe it`s the teacher in me, but seeing all these people that I had this chance to fight alongside, seeing who they are and what they are and what they`re going to take from this to go forward? I felt pretty good about all of it.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now is Democratic Congresswoman Katie Porter of California. Congresswoman Porter, you know the teacher in Elizabeth Warren. You met her at Harvard Law School as your professor. You followed her career and became a law professor yourself, a member of Congress, endorsed her Presidential candidacy. What are you feeling tonight, and what do you have to say to Elizabeth Warren supporters?

REP. KATIE PORTER, (D-CA): I`m incredibly that glad today she has every day in the 20 days - 20 years, excuse me, that I`ve known her, Elizabeth is still teaching us. She`s talking today about the importance of staying in the fight, of continuing to make our voices heard.

So today I heard her on Rachel Maddow and in her speech that she gave to her staff continue to teach us about how to move forward, how to lift up voices, including women`s voices in politics in ways that they`ve never been before.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to what Nancy Pelosi said today after Elizabeth Warren dropped out of the race.


REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): I don`t think they were rejected. I think being in a woman in all of this, when I ran for a leadership position, the worst thing I could have ever said to anybody or any of my supporters could say to anybody is we should be for Nancy because we should have a woman loser proposition.

Winning proposition is we should be for Nancy because she`d be the best one to do the job. But I don`t think you get a woman President by saying, we should have a woman. You get a woman President saying, this is the best person for the job, and any one of them could have fulfilled that description.


O`DONNELL: Now, I think you heard Elizabeth Warren say today out in her driveway when she was asked about sexism in the campaign, she said, well, if you say there is sexism, you`re called a whiner. Then if you say there isn`t, as she put it, a bazillion women say, that`s crazy. Of course there`s sexism.

PORTER: No, look, we know that women lead differently. That`s why it matters that we elect women. And women do experience things differently. Tonight on the airplane flying back from D.C., I was wearing my Elizabeth Warren t-shirt, and a gentleman came up to me from the back of the plane to tell me that he really disagreed with Elizabeth Warren`s candidacy.

And I just don`t think that men wearing t-shirts get conversations like that, and so it`s - I think it`s a constant everyday grind for women of this country. I think they feel it at work when they`re facing wage gaps and they`re facing sex discrimination in the workplace, and I think they feel it at home when dinner`s over and everybody gets up and the women are sitting there, thinking, did I volunteer to pick up the dishes tonight?

And so I just think it`s a constant thing that wears on women, and I do - you know, I respectfully disagree with Speaker Pelosi, and will just say that I do think it matters to say that women in leadership matters, and I think we should talk about that why that matters and why that`s important.

We see it in boardrooms, we see it in medicine, we see it in every profession that women do use power differently in a more collaborative way, and I see Speaker Pelosi doing that, by the way, every day in the House.

So I`m disappointed that we`re not going to have another woman President. I too have a daughter that I have to go home to tonight. But I`m really heartened that so many people reached out to me today, women and men.

That`s so important to say, that women and men today reached out to me to express their hope that the next woman President is just around the corner, and they recognize that it`s something that women and men are going to have to do together.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to a quick part of Cecile Richard` interview with Elizabeth Warren about who she admires. Let`s listen to this.


RICHARDS: If could you have dinner with one living woman who inspires you, who would it be and why?

WARREN: Oprah. Here is a woman who started of such modest means and just scratched it together out of pure grit.


O`DONNELL: Isn`t that Elizabeth Warren`s story, modest means and just scratched it together out of pure grit?

PORTER: Sure, and that`s what women have had to do for generations, and they`re going to have to keep having to do until we really have truly equal footing and equal opportunity.