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The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 10/25/2016

Guests: Michael D`Antonio, Mike Murphy, Barbara Corcoran

Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL Date: October 25, 2016 Guest: Michael D`Antonio, Mike Murphy, Barbara Corcoran

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: Occasion, direct -- giving away the tickets, you can pick up your free Jay z tickets on Friday between the hours of 8:00 and 6:00, at this convenient location directly across the street from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.

Where it just so happens early voting is happening on Friday from 8:00 to 6:00 while they`re giving away those tickets. I don`t know how Ohio is going to pan out in the end, but that counts as trying, really trying.

That does it for us tonight, we`re going to see you again tomorrow, now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell, good evening, Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Hey Rachel, that was an amazing news report you broke about the Trump family`s practices in discriminatory rentals.

We`re going to get Joy Reid`s reaction to that video --

MADDOW: Good --

O`DONNELL: That you played with that rental agent saying that Donald Trump`s father used the N-word when explaining their rental policy and Donald Trump nodding right beside his father.

It was really shocking stuff to see.

MADDOW: Pretty explicit stuff I agree --


MADDOW: Thanks my friend --

O`DONNELL: Thank you, Rachel --

MADDOW: Thanks, Lawrence --

O`DONNELL: Well, Donald Trump has threatened to sue all of the women who have accused him of sexual assault, he says they`re lying. We will be joined tonight by a woman who Donald Trump sued for lying about him.

She has an encouraging story for the women who Donald Trump is threatening now. Donald Trump said today that Hillary Clinton would start World War III.

Marine General John Allen will join us to respond to that. But first, tonight, Donald Trump is now more concerned about saving failing businesses than running for president.



LESTER HOLT, JOURNALIST: Trump behind in virtually every poll.

TRUMP: The whole system is rigged.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I take this election very seriously.

JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN & TELEVISION HOST: You should have sold hats though, when you ran, I mean, that would have been --


TRUMP: I tell you what, you vote for her, you`re crazy, OK? I`ll tell you.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, CAMPAIGN MANAGER, DONALD TRUMP 2016 CAMPAIGN: He`s incredibly gracious toward her.

TRUMP: She`s a crook. She is the worst, and she shouldn`t be allowed to run for president.

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE & DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEE, 2016 ELECTION: This is bigger than me, it`s bigger than any of us. It`s even bigger than Donald Trump, if you can believe it.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A Democratic Super PAC in Ohio out with this new ad arguing Trump is too dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump is erratic, he lashes out.

TRUMP: Big deal --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s not the kind of person that I think we want to have put the finger on the nuclear button.

TRUMP: With her, you`ll end in World War III.


CLINTON: After spending his entire campaign attacking one group of Americans after another, his final target is democracy itself.

TRUMP: Let`s not blow it, folks!


O`DONNELL: Did you hear what Kellyanne Conway just said in that video? I know it flew by. It went by really fast. Everything she says flies by really fast, because she`s learned that Trump lesson that when you`re lying, it`s better to talk really fast.

Because then you can lay down more lies than anyone can possibly keep up with, so we`re all going to have to listen to it one more time.

Let`s just listen one more time to Kellyanne Conway talking about Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.


CONWAY: He`s incredibly gracious toward her.


O`DONNELL: In the recorded history of presidential campaigning by which I mean video recorded or film recorded history of presidential campaigning, no one has been less gracious toward his opponent than the graceless Donald Trump.

Kellyanne Conway is working for the most vile creature in the history of presidential campaigning, and she describes him as incredibly gracious.

She has learned from Donald Trump that there is no point in telling small lies. Why get caught on small lies? Go for massive, utterly insane lies instead.

The only candidate in presidential history who says repeatedly no one has more respect for women than I do is also the only presidential candidate in campaign history who has been caught on video bragging about his various methods of sexual assault.

And how he simply cannot control himself, cannot resist committing sexual assault. He has to have a pocket full of Tic Tacs always at the ready whenever he feels the urge to sexually assault someone coming over him.

Kellyanne Conway has learned the Trump lesson, that gigantic lies like no one has more respect for women than I do, or he`s incredibly gracious toward her.

Giant lies like that slipped inside very fast-moving verbal streams of other lies can go unchallenged most of the time. Here`s Donald Trump being incredibly gracious toward Hillary Clinton today.


TRUMP: She should be locked up, I tell you right now. What she`s done -- what she`s done, she ought to be ashamed of herself. And you know what? Our government ought to be ashamed of itself for allowing it to happen.


O`DONNELL: Real presidential campaigns fear getting caught in lies. There`s nothing they fear more than that. But the Trump campaign doesn`t fear getting caught in lies, because it`s not really a presidential campaign.

Kellyanne Conway is not really a presidential campaign manager. She`s never been a campaign manager before, and she never will be again, because she has no idea how to manage a presidential campaign.

She is simply one of a team of spokespersons for Donald Trump. She is treated as a campaign manager by a gullible news media that tries to conduct the same kinds of interviews with her as they do with other real campaign managers.

But interviews with Kellyanne Conway have no resemblance to interviews with real campaign managers, but they do resemble interviews with Donald Trump filled with lies told at very high speed.

The proof that the Trump adventure is not a real presidential campaign is that Donald Trump is spending the night tonight right now in Washington D.C.

Donald Trump is going to lose Washington D.C. by a higher percentage than probably any state. Washington D.C`s three electoral votes are going to go to Hillary Clinton, nothing can stop that.

Donald Trump knows that, Kellyanne Conway knows that. Donald Trump is not having a rally in Washington D.C. tomorrow.

He`s having what he`s calling a grand opening for his new hotel in Washington D.C. that is already open and already in desperate straits with very few rooms reserved.

The hotel is widely discounting its prices online and still cannot attract guests. So, Donald Trump is taking time off from what is supposed to be a presidential campaign to go to a place where he can`t win a single electoral vote.

Because getting people to rent rooms at his Washington hotel is now much more important to him than getting people to vote for him to make him president.

Donald Trump knows who the next president is going to be, and he knows he is going to be clinging to the wreckage of his businesses on November 9th.

Businesses that are reportedly in increasing trouble because of all of the hatred he has spread in the last year. Many decent people don`t want to be seen in a Trump property.

Many decent people do not want the word Trump to appear on any of their credit card bills or the word "Ivanka". A boycott has been organized against Ivanka Trump`s products since she has committed herself to helping elect a racist president of the United States.

Ivanka Trump`s father being caught on video boasting about his techniques for sexual assault has energized the boycott of Ivanka Trump`s products.

On Long Island today, after delivering a luncheon speech, Colin Powell was asked by the event moderator who he is voting for, for president.

This is what General Powell said about Donald Trump. "He insults us every day. He has insulted Latino Americans, he has insulted African-Americans, he has insulted women, he has insulted his own party.

He has insulted our allies around the world, one by one. He has insulted veterans." General Powell announced he is voting for Hillary Clinton because she is smart, she`s capable, she was a good secretary of state.

She is balance, she has temperament, and no matter what anyone says she has stamina. I think she is fully qualified to serve as the president of the United States and will serve with distinction."

Joining us now, Joy Reid, Msnbc national correspondent and host of "A.M. JOY" which airs weekends on Msnbc. And Ana Marie Cox; senior political correspondent for "MTV News". Joy Reid, Donald Trump in Washington D.C. tonight. Thirteen days left in the campaign --


O`DONNELL: And got to spend one of them in Washington D.C.

REID: Well, I can imagine that is exactly where his children would like him to be --


REID: Because Donald Trump has already spent $45 million of their inheritance, which is probably nearly all of their liquid assets on this campaign.

He said he was going to spend a hundred, but I think it`s pretty clear he doesn`t have a $100 million --

O`DONNELL: And of course, a campaign actually costs a billion.

REID: That`s right.

O`DONNELL: So, to say you`re going to pay up, spend a 100 is, I`m going to spend one-tenth --

REID: Right --

O`DONNELL: Of what people normally spend, and he isn`t even doing that.

REID: Exactly, and he claimed to be a $10 billionaire. And exactly at the same day that he reportedly stopped doing the joint fundraising with the only entity that is trying to run a campaign.

Meaning, the Republican National Committee which has given Trump their slavish devotion.

The chairman of the Republican National Committee has essentially vassaled himself to Donald Trump for the better part of the year.

And yet, he`s still stiffing them on the money, too, because he`s got to promote the hotel because his kids and his staff make a living after November 8th.

O`DONNELL: Yes, Ana Marie, it just doesn`t look like a presidential campaign to me, and I`m not sure that it ever has.

But I`m not sure what Donald Trump -- what other things he could do in these last days to indicate that he`s any less serious than this choice of going to try to sell some rooms for his hotel in Washington.

ANA MARIE COX, SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, MTV NEWS: Have we actually seen what he`s doing in D.C.? Because I have a feeling he might be on the street hawking hats.


Like I think he`s really good at selling hats. I think that we know that. We know that he`s good at selling hats. So, I think he should probably stick to selling hats because that`s basically the only thing this campaign has done.

This campaign is not a campaign, it`s a gigantic hats distribution network, apparently. I think that, that probably doesn`t even distribute them that well. But they`ve spent more on hats than on polling, I don`t know if you saw that note --


COX: Today, I think probably -- I`m guessing that Trump thought this was a real innovation because he conflates selling hats with polling popularity.

But he`s probably like, we don`t have to do polling, we can just see how many hats we sell, and that will tell me how popular I am. And that`s kind of how he`s proceeded with his campaign.

O`DONNELL: New Nbc News poll of likely voters, national --

COX: Not hats?

O`DONNELL: National poll of likely voters. We don`t know how the hats are voting. Hillary Clinton 46 --

COX: OK --

O`DONNELL: Donald Trump 41, Gary Johnson, 7, Jill Stein 3. And Joy, I wanted to turn to an issue that the Clinton campaign decided to emphasize today in a video which turns out to coincide with this breaking news that Rachel had in the last hour.

And let`s listen to Mae Wiggins speaking in this Clinton campaign video.


MAE WIGGINS, DISGRUNTLED OVER DENIAL TO RENT A TRUMP APARTMENT: My name is Mae Wiggins. I was denied an apartment in the Trump buildings based on the color of my skin. I feel very angry so much so that it still evokes -- it still evokes anger.

Anger and hurt, deep hurt.


O`DONNELL: So, we all saw that video earlier in the day, and we`ve known the story --

REID: Sure --

O`DONNELL: For a long time. It`s really something when a human face is put on it that this is one of the actual victims of it. Now tonight in an Nbc News exclusive which Rachel just broke the news of in the last hour.

Stanley Leibowitz who was the rental agent working for the Trump family on these buildings gave this interview. Let`s listen to what he said about what their policy was.


STANLEY LEIBOWITZ, FORMER RENTAL AGENT: One day Mr. Trump and his son Donald came into the office, and I asked Fred Trump what I should do with this application because she`s calling me constantly.

And his response to me was, you know, I don`t rent to the N-word, put the application in the desk and forget about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, Fred Trump used the N-word, and told you don`t rent to people like that?

LEEBWIT: That is correct, yes.


O`DONNELL: With Donald Trump standing there nodding as his father says, you know I don`t rent to the N-word.

REID: Yes, and Donald Trump learned everything he knows about real estate from his father. We`ve heard little bits and pieces about his father`s history with regard to race.

And the fairest read of it is that he was not exactly a very modern and evolved man when it came to race. But you also have to remember that the original lawsuit which the "New York Times" reported on extensively was brought by the Nixon administration.

When you`re being tagged by the Nixon administration for housing discrimination, it`s pretty serious. And the testimony in that lawsuit was damning.

It was this testimony. The difference is, in the Clinton campaign has been brilliant about bringing out -- Rachel was brilliant about bringing out tonight. Is that now, you`re actually hearing people say it.

It`s one thing to read it in an old "New York Times" report, it`s another thing to hear somebody actually say that they participated in this.

And you have to remember that this housing subsidized by the federal government, subsidized by the taxpayer is the source of Fred Trump`s wealth and it`s the source of Donald Trump`s $14 million loan that created whatever wealth that it is that he has.

O`DONNELL: Yes, listening to Stanley Leibowitz actually bring you into that room. Let`s listen to another point he emphasized, just emphasizing the point that Donald Trump was there during this conversation. Let`s listen to this.


LEIBOWITZ: He said, put it in the drawer, forget about it. You know I do not rent to the N-word people. And that`s what I did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And Donald Trump was right there?

LEIBOWITZ: Donald Trump was right alongside his father when I was instructed to do that, yes.


O`DONNELL: And Ana Marie, here`s a guy who worked directly for the Trumps telling us exactly what he heard.

COX: You know, I want to be very -- perhaps overly generous here in just pointing out that we shouldn`t always blame the children of people who have done terrible things for what their parents have done.

And we also could say that people can do and have terrible opinions and wrong opinions in their past. The problem is that Trump has shown no sense that he has changed it all, right?

I mean, that`s the real problem here. It`s not that he -- it`s not that his father was a racist or that he was abetting his racist father back in the past.

It`s that when we -- like for instance when he describes this lawsuit, he describes it in a way that`s incredibly disingenuous and that sort of escapes any kind of blame. It`s in his policies when he talks about the African-American community.

When he says things like what do you have to lose, and they live in hell. I mean, it would be one thing if this was something in the past and he had grown and learned and could talk about it.

But growing and learning are not exactly his core competency. So, we have to just go with what we have, which is this, which is -- which is him and also him inviting the comparison to his father.

Him inviting the idea that he learned everything he knows about business from his father, one presumes including this.

O`DONNELL: And when we listen to Stanley Leibowitz talking about Fred Trump, it`s always worth foot-noting that Fred Trump was years before that arrested at a Ku Klux Klan rally in New York City, Joy, which was not exactly a common event here.

REID: Exactly, and that was at a time of course when the Klan was much more open and active including in Democratic politics quite frankly, and Fred Trump has a known history.

But I think to Ana Marie`s point, so does Donald Trump. He took from this man -- and first of all, he idolized his father, Fred Trump. Everyone who`s read a biography knows this is his idol, this is who informed himself after.

Donald Trump then goes on to have a history of doing things like, according to people who worked for "The Apprentice", having a disgust with black models and black women.

Not wanting to award the only black -- the first black person to actually win "The Apprentice" award by himself. He wanted Randal Pinkett to share it with a white woman.

You have Donald Trump himself continuing to engage in the discriminatory behavior after the lawsuit was settled with the federal government, they did it again. And Donald Trump participated in discriminating against black tenants again himself with his dad.

O`DONNELL: Joy Reid gets the last word on this segment. Joy Reid, Ana Marie Cox, thank you both for joining us tonight, really appreciate it.

REID: Thanks --

O`DONNELL: Coming up, General John Allen responds to Donald Trump`s statement today that Hillary Clinton will start World War III. And coming up, a woman who went to court against Donald Trump and won, that`s coming up.


O`DONNELL: The generals have been reduced to rubble. That`s what Donald Trump calls the generals in the United States military, they`re reduced to rubble. Marine General John Allen will join us next.



JOHN ALLEN, RETIRED UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS FOUR-STAR GENERAL: My fellow Americans, I tell you without hesitation or reservation that Hillary Clinton will be exactly the kind of commander-in-chief America needs.


I know this. I know this because I served with her. I know this as the former special presidential envoy to the global coalition to counter ISIS.


O`DONNELL: That was retired Marine General John Allen endorsing Hillary Clinton at the Democratic National Convention. In an interview with "Reuters" today Donald Trump said a president Hillary Clinton would be the commander-in-chief during World War III.


TRUMP: You`re going to end up in World War III over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton.


O`DONNELL: Today, Donald Trump said that Hillary Clinton`s policy in Syria would inevitably lead to a World War with Russia and he said this about Vladimir Putin.


TRUMP: She always casts Putin as a bad guy in a bad light. How is she -- if she won, how is she going to go back and negotiate with this man that she has made to be so evil?

She`s not going to want to negotiate with him, number one. Number two, I don`t believe he has any respect for Hillary Clinton whatsoever.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now, retired Marine General John Allen. General, thank you very much for joining us tonight.

ALLEN: Lawrence, thank you for the invitation.

O`DONNELL: I just wanted to play for you something I know you`ve heard many times. Donald Trump saying he knows more about ISIS than the generals do. Let`s listen to this.


TRUMP: I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.


O`DONNELL: Your reaction when you heard that?

ALLEN: Just more of the same rhetoric that we`ve been hearing all along, Lawrence. It`s meaningless, it`s ludicrous, it just doesn`t mean anything. He doesn`t know more than the generals about ISIS or virtually any national security issue.

O`DONNELL: Well, let`s listen to his description of what his strategy would be and not -- right around the same time that he said that in Iowa, he also said this in Iowa about how he would deal with the situation in Syria, Iraq and the entire region. Let`s listen to this.


TRUMP: I would bomb the -- out of them.




I would just bomb those suckers, and that`s right, I`d blow up the pipes, I`d blow up the -- I`d blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left.


O`DONNELL: That was in the same speech, general, where he said I know more about ISIS than the generals do.

ALLEN: Well, I think he confirmed it, that he doesn`t know more about ISIS than the generals do. You know, the whole idea of carpet-bombing, Lawrence, as he describes it, which is what he would have us do, which would kill thousands and thousands of innocent civilians.

If you want to know who`s pretty good at carpet-bombing these days, what it looks like in the 21st century in 2016, look at what the Russians and the Syrians are doing to their own people.

Look what the Russians are doing to their -- with their ally, Syria, in killing innocent civilians. That`s what bombing and carpet-bombing an innocent population looks like.

O`DONNELL: Former Senator Bill Bradley today said that Donald Trump is erratic, he`s undisciplined, he lashes out, he`s not the kind of person who you want to have the finger on the nuclear button.

Imagine, if you will, in your former role briefing presidents. Imagine briefing a President Trump and briefing a President Clinton, Hillary Clinton, about any possibility of maybe, in some situation having to revert to using a nuclear weapon.

Can you -- can you imagine being in that room with Donald Trump in those circumstances?

ALLEN: Well, Lawrence, I`m -- it`s difficult to comment on a -- on the hypothetical. I can imagine being in the room with Hillary Clinton because I`ve been in the room with Hillary Clinton during some very stressful times.

She was in the White House sit room, and I was either with her there or was coming in from my headquarters in Kabul. And we had some very serious situations and I saw her in action.

She was very calm, always very calm, very deliberate. And that, of course, in a crisis is probably one of the most important personality characteristics that we need.

So, you know, Mr. Trump is not the president, probably won`t be the president, but Hillary Clinton, I think, having seen her in action and having had to deal with her in moments of real crisis, I have seen her ability to work her way through those crisis and be very calm and measured during those.

And that probably is one of the most important qualities and characteristics our commander-in-chief and our president must have during stressful moments.

O`DONNELL: What was your sense of her preparation for the crisis moment? I mean, there`s the crisis moment, but when you`re in those crisis moments, what -- one of the things that`s being revealed is how much work this person has done to prepare for this kind of moment.

What was your sense of that with Secretary Clinton?

ALLEN: She`s very well prepared. You just -- you can`t be too prepared for these moments. Because, Lawrence, the decisions that you may have to make, decisions with very short lead times are not going to give you the opportunity to get ready.

You`ve got to be ready. You`ve got to have studied the issues, and the decision-making when it comes needs to be intuitive. And that`s a very important quality.

And I believe that and we`ve seen this now in her preparation for many things, that she is going to be a well-prepared commander-in-chief, she`s going to know the issues.

She`s going to be prepared to make that decision when the time comes. That`s another of the qualities which I believe recommend her very well to be the commander-in-chief.

O`DONNELL: Marine General John Allen, thank you very much for joining us tonight General, really appreciate it.

ALLEN: Thank you, Lawrence, good night.

O`DONNELL: Thank you. Coming up, time for another look inside Donald Trump`s brain. This with one of the authors who has written a biography of Donald Trump. He had Donald Trump`s cooperation during most of the time he was writing that biography.

That allowed him to record his interviews with Donald Trump. Some of what Donald Trump had to say is quite fascinating about the way Donald Trump sees Donald Trump, that`s coming up.



TRUMP: I was a very rebellious kind of person. I don`t like to talk about it, actually. But I was a very rebellious person and very set in my ways.


TRUMP: And I loved to fight. I as you loved to fight.

D`ANTONIO: Physical Fights?

TRUMP: Yes, all kinds of fights, physical --

D`ANTONIO: Arguments?

TRUMP: All types of fights, any kind of fight, I loved it, including physical.


O`DONNELL: In eighth grade. That is part of five hours of tape, recorded by Donald Trump Biographer Michael D`Antonio in 2014. Here`s Donald Trump recalling the first time he tried heroin. I mean the first time he got his name in the paper which turned out to be his heroine.


TRUMP: So I was with a baseball player and good athlete. But baseball was really goo. I was one of the best. And the first time I ever saw my name in print was in a little paper up in that area of New York because I had had three singles and a home run. So the head line was Trump wins game for Nema. And I said I loved it.

D`ANTONIO: You loved that?

TRUMP: Yes. I loved it. It was the first time I was ever in a newspaper. You know I was a young kid, right? I was probably a sophomore in high school.


TRUMP: And I said I love it. You know, I just liked it.


TRUMP: You know I mean, I don`t think there`s anything wrong with that. I thought it was amazing.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Michael D`Antonio, a Pulitzer Prize Winning Writer and author of the Donald Trump Biography, the Truth about Donald Trump. So at a certain point, Donald Trump turned against you after giving you all this cooperation. Eventually sued you over the book, you know, which he lost that suit. But there we see the heroine moment. He sees his name in the paper for baseball when his in high school.

D`ANTONIO: Boy, you got that right. I mean this is the thing that is his dependency. He defines himself by what he sees reflected in the media. And I mean, who remembers the little league score that showed down getting a couple hits but Donald Trump? It`s a profound illustration of the way he thinks.

O`DONNELL: I think, you know, maybe something I share with Donald Trump. I think the first time my name was in the newspaper was for baseball around that time in high school. But I can`t -- that`s the most I could say. I couldn`t tell you what the words are.

D`ANTONIO: You don`t go around saying you are the best player in New York State.

O`DONNELL: No, wouldn`t.

D`ANTONIO: And this is in a high school year that had all-stars in the national league. But he was the best player.

O`DONNELL: Right, yes, yes. he`s the best one I the state. Let`s listen to what he said about -- what he said to you about what he thinks it takes to be a great politician.


TRUMP: To be a good politician, you have to be a salesman.

D`ANTONIO: Who`s the best that you`ve seen?

TRUMP: Well, you have a number of them. Bill Clinton is certainly a great politician. And you should call Bill Clinton and ask him about me. He was on Larry King. Remember when he said Donald Trump is a great golfer and he`s a friend of mine. And well, you know, now of course now it`s a little different, because a lot of people want me to run. And, you know, his wife is obviously going to be running. You could ask him maybe. I mean, he may say something interesting. But no, he`s a great politician.


O`DONNELL: So there he is, modeling himself after Bill Clinton as a politician.

D`ANTONIO: Well he`s quite a name-dropper too. He goes right to the top

O`DONNELL: Yes. So that`s part of all the answers is a self glorification and then name-dropping whenever possible to make him seem bigger.

D`ANTONIO: Well it`s all status. You know the thing that horrifies Donald is the idea of losing status. And the thing that he thinks we admire most is his status. And it`s reflected in his attachment to famous people, his wealth, his toys, his airplanes. You know you name it it`s all about looking good and status.

O`DONNELL: We`ve got to show you something that broke in the last hour before us. This video that NBC news has produced with an interview with Stanley Leibowitz who was the rental for Donald - for Fred Trump, Donald Trump`s father and him describing their policy about not renting to black people. Let`s listen to this.


STANLEY LEIBOWITZ, ONE-TIME TRUMP MANAGER,: One day, Mr. Trump and his son Donald came into the office. And I asked Fred Trump what I should do with this application, because she`s calling me constantly. And his response to me was, you know, I don`t rent to the n-word. Put the application in the desk and forget about it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So Fred used the n-word, told you, you don`t rent to people like that.



O`DONNELL: And Stanley Leibowitz said repeatedly in that interview that Donald Trump was standing beside his father Fred and nodding yes, when his father was saying that.

D`ANTONIO: Well It would be totally out of character for Donald to challenge his dad. This is the strange thing about him is he`s so clued in to hierarchy, that if the father says it, he`s going to at least not contest it. And you see it in his children. Donald`s children are practically members of a cult.

And in fact, when I interviewed them, they would look up to the heavens, because he was a floor above them. So they would say, he taught me this.


D`ANTONIO: I mean it`s eerie. And it`s so -- they`re so isolated, that it`s almost sad that there`s this kind of isolated clan that sees us against the world. And we have to be right all the time, because to be wrong would be horrifying.

O`DONNELL: Wow. Michael D`Antonio, thank you very much for joining us.

D`ANTONIO: my pleasure.

O`DONNELL: We really appreciate it. Thank you. up next, the Trump campaign is going to be our next subject in the war room tonight. And what are they really doing? Is it really a campaign? They`ve got a little over a dozen days left. What are they really doing?


O`DONNELL: We have breaking news developing in the last hour. Tomorrow the Trump campaign will once again be dealing with the allegations of sexual assault against Donald Trump, thanks to what Newt Gingrich just did in the last hour on Megyn Kelly`s show.


NEWT GINGRICH, AMERICAN POLITICAL CONSULTANT: I want to go back to the tapes of your show recently. You are fascinated with sex and don`t care about public policy. Now that`s what I get out of watching you tonight.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST MEGYN KELLY`S SHOW: you know what, Mr. Speaker, I`m not fascinated by sex. But I am fascinated by the protection of women and understanding what we`re getting in the oval office. And I think the American voters would like to know -

GINGRICH: And therefore we`re going to send Bill Clinton back to the East Wing, because after all, you are worried about sexual predators.

KELLY: Yes. And listen it`s not about me. It`s about the women and men of America.

GINGRICH: I want to hear your words, Bill Clinton sexual predator, I dare you. Say Bill Clinton sexual predator

KELLY Excuse me, sir, we on the Kelly file have covered the Clinton matter as well. We`ve covered Kathleen Willey. We`ve covered the examples of him being accused as well. But he`s not on the ticket. And the polls also show --

GINGRICH: he`ll be in the east wing.

KELLY In the deeds of Hillary Clinton`s husband than they are in the deeds of the man who asked us to make us president, Donald Trump. We`re going to have to leave it at that. And you can take your anger issues and spend some time working on them, Mr. Speaker. Thanks for being with us.

GINGRICH: And you too.


O`DONNELL: Wow, we`ll be right back with republican strategist Mike Murphy.


O`DONNELL: With 13 days left for the Presidential Campaign War Rooms, joining us tonight in the Last Word War Room is Mike Murphy, Republican strategist and host of the pod cast Radio Free GOP. Mike, you`ve been in a lot of Presidential Campaign War Rooms. You`ve never had to deal with anything like what just broke out on Fox news with Megyn Kelly and Newt Ginggrich.

With friends like Newt Ginggrich to your campaign, accusing Megyn Kelly of being fascinated by sex, because she examines the allegations of sexual assault against Donald Trump, this obviously, Newt Ginggrich just did everything he possibly could to reenergize that subject, that issue for tomorrow and for who knows how long.

MIKE MURPHY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Yeah, it was not a great moment in the Trump Campaign. I thought they both kind of lost their cool by the end of it. You know, it`s -- there`s no Trump campaign. There`s this traveling Trump show, and there are these surrogates running around. And the Trump campaign has been focused to the extent it has any strategy at all.

And this kind of core based vote which isn`t enough to win. And they will resonate to Newt`s point. I mean they`re - you know, Bill Clinton does have a train load of baggage in this area himself, but it does nothing to change the conversation of the campaign to anything that will help Trump get out of the hole he`s in and have any shot to win the election so yet another lost day which is kind of normal for the Trump campaign.

O`DONNELL: And Newt Ginggrich can expect his baggage and in this arena to be aired, opened up and aired out again tomorrow and for who knows how long.


O`DONNELL: And to have him sitting there, as a Trump supporter, just begging, begging Megyn Kelly, just please say Bill Clinton, sexual predator. Please say those magic words to me, and Megyn Kelly, very professionally replying that she has had Bill Clinton`s accusers on her show.

MURPHY: Right.

O`DONNELL: It`s - it`s - there`s just - it`s like there`s no way to satisfy this weird craving that Newt Ginggrich and I guess the Trump campaign have.

MURPHY: Well I think the Trump bubble is in the cornered animal mode lead by their candidate. The clock is ticking. Trump is obsessed with polling. So, he`s seeing all the public polls that show he`s losing.

And every day they kind of turn up the claw and scratch desperation which is more or less the death rattle of his campaign. So they`re letting their frustration boil out now lashing out in this interviews which, you know, may be good therapy for him but is doing nothing to win the election.

O`DONNELL: And Mike, Donald Trump presumably watching that interview tonight in Washington, D.C. In his failing hotel where he`s going to hope -

MURPHY: Right.

O`DONNELL: -- to lure some more customers as if he`s a barker out there in the street trying to get, you know, turn customers into his hotel.

MURPHY: Yes. He`s probably calling Newt right now to say way to go, and maybe we`ll hear some of that same material on the trail tomorrow from Trump. We have left the planet of rational competent campaign here and we`ve just got a kind of a guy slashing away as his world collapses. So it`s going to be kind of pathetically interesting I guess to watch this for the next two weeks.

And I just hope the damage to the rest of the party is somewhat contained by people who want to hedge on Hillary by ticket splitting to re-elect their Republican congressman and senators.

O`DONNELL: Mike what about the general phenomenon of the bigger the presidential is vote for a candidate in general, the bigger the down ballot vote is for that same party?

MURPHY: Well that`s the historical theory. If you have bad trouble at the top of the ticket you`re endangered folks are hurt by that and a lot of them lose. There`s a newer theory which we don`t - we haven`t tested yet which is in this age of cable television and the internet, people have so much information and much more context now it`s easier to ticket split.

They know the Republican logo is going from the elephant to the candidate the defensive crouch trying not to talk about Trump. So, will voters who also don`t like Hillary wan to hedge it. We`ll split government or where we have the classic situation where top of the ticket trouble goes right down the line and hurts a lot of these swing races and costs us control of the senate.

O`DONNELL: Mike Murphy. Thank you.

MURPHY: We don`t know yet.

O`DONNELL: Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Mike I really appreciate it.

MURPHY: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Up next, the woman who fought Donald Trump in court and beat him.


O`DONNELL: Last night on this program, a Harvard law school professor Laurence Tribe described why he and other prominent attorneys have volunteered their legal services to the women who Donald Trump has threatened to sue because they have accused him of various forms of sexual assault.


LAURENCE TRIBE, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL PROFESSOR: I did it because I thought it`s about time that the use of lawsuit threats by a bully like Trump should be met and met strongly. Because a lot of people, a lot of women might be deterred by his threats even though he often doesn`t carry them out they might be afraid to come forward.


O`DONNELL: One woman, who fought Donald Trump in court and won, is Barbara Corcoran, the founder of the Corcoran group. One of New York`s leading real estate brokers. In 1994, Donald Trump was on the verge of bankruptcy. He was facing foreclosure on the plaza hotel.

And a huge parcel of real estate on Manhattan`s west side where he was hoping to build a massive complex of apartment buildings bearing the Trump name. Barbara Corcoran`s firm brokered a deal that brought in Hong Kong investors who saved the west side project and there by saved Donald Trump from bankruptcy.

On the day that Barbara Corcoran was scheduled to receive her $4 million fee for saving Donald Trump, Barbara Corcoran instead got sued by Donald Trump. For exactly the same reason that Donald Trump is threatening to sue the women who have accused him of sexual assault, Donald Trump sued Barbara Corcoran, saying that she lied about him, lied about him in a New York magazine cover story, titled Donald Trump`s near death experience.

That article told the story of how Donald Trump made that deal with Hong Kong investors, brokered by Barbara Corcoran. Joining us now to tell us the rest of the story and how she fought Donald Trump and won, Barbara Corcoran, founder of the Corcoran Group. She currently appears on The Shark Tank of course where along with Mark Cuban and other business successes. She tries guide contestants starting or enlarging their business ventures. Barbara you`ve worked with Donald Trump for a long time.


O`DONNELL: And many years a lot of deals that had all gone well. You`d both done well together. Suddenly, the day you`re supposed to get the biggest check of your career so far, the lawsuit arrives. How did you feel?

CORCORAN: I was shocked. I actually thought I was reading it wrong. I had never been sued by anyone for anything. I had run a business for 30 years, and suddenly I was being sued. I found it at first comical until it hit home, and I was frightened to death.

I didn`t even know how to hire an attorney other than to handle a real estate closing. That was all. But fortunately, I had a good real estate year and I had $500,000 that I spent on the lawsuit defending myself, and I won, and the judge ruled that the only damage done in the case was a bruise to Mr. Trump`s ego. That`s what it was all about was about.

O`DONNELL: It`s hard for me to picture you being fearful when you get this and when it settles in.

CORCORAN: I was in my young 30s. I`d never had trouble in my life. I had a company where everything was peaceful. I just didn`t expect trouble and especially from Donald. I thought I`d get a big bouquet and a thank you note.

But once the judge, I did get a kick out of it. Once the judge ruled on my behalf and made him pay in monthly installments, I sent him flowers every month thanking him, when the check arrive and he sent them back saying rejected, and I had flowers on my desk for the next five years.

O`DONNELL: And he no doubt didn`t get it that you were - you know making fun of him with this generosity. When you see Laurence Tribe last night saying to those women around the country, if he comes after you, if he tries to sue you, we are there for you. That`s not just Laurence Tribe, its Laurence Tribe and other prominent lawyers around the country. What do you think that means to Donald Trump when he sees that?

CORCORAN: It means nothing to Donald Trump because he`s all bluster and he`s always threatening and he does very little. With my instance because it was so much money at stake, of course he was going to follow through with the lawsuit. But that is so important. Because when you are a young woman, you`ve never been in trouble, getting the biggest bully in town to come after you is the most frightening thing in the world.

I was an established businesswoman. I was on my feet, I knew who I was. I thought of myself as his equal. I was building a company just like him, but these young women who don`t have that experience, the single best thing that could happen is that you get a bully in your court to beat the bully, and that`s what I was able to do. So that`s a wonderful offer when that happens. It`s essential.

O`DONNELL: Trump, suing is a big part of his life. Threatening to sue, which he`s done to me and many other the and then never suing.

CORCORAN: Like a club.

O`DONNELL: Suing by surprise, that`s one I hadn`t heard from him.


O`DONNELL: Because usually there`s the threatening to sue, and then he does or doesn`t sue. But you`re the rare case where it comes from out of nowhere and it`s all about clearly, he owes you $4 million today he can pay you the $4 million, or he can sue you. Which one is Donald Trump going to do?

CORCORAN: Of course he`s going to sue every time. But there`s one thing you can be assured with Donald is money comes first. In terms of loyalties and gratitudes, that`s not part of his M.O. What he likes to do is use people as best he could to his own advantage and then see how much money he could get out. And that`s why there`s so many people left holding the bag.

I was so thankful he hit me in a year where I actually had the money. If it had been one year earlier I would have had to roll over on that and not collect that money. It would not have been option.

O`DONNELL: You spent a lot of years around Donald Trump, alone with him in a room many times. What is your reaction to the accusations you`re hearing from these women?

O`DONNELL: Well I`m not with the women so I have no way of judging that. But I do know Donald Trump. We grew up for 45 years in the same real estate business. And what I can tell you it has a ring of truth to it. The closest I ever got to that and I actually find it comical then until after when I thought about it.

Was with him alone at a meeting, which was rare. I usually was surrounded by men, and he actually was surprised and commented that I was pregnant. I was pregnant with my first child. And I said, yes, I am. And then he said to me, I almost couldn`t believe it. He came over and said, well, you know, my wife Marla`s pregnant.

And her breasts are so much bigger than yours and he started describing in front of me how big the melons are. I`m like, I don`t believe I`m hearing this. But I thought it was comical. I switched the subject quickly, and afterwards I thought thank god I wasn`t 25 years old. Thank god I knew who I was. Because I would have found that enormously intimidating.

O`DONNELL: It`s so sick. I mean --

CORCORAN: It`s not sick. It`s weird.

O`DONNELL: Weird. Yes. Of all the reactions, I mean the reaction to the way a woman`s body changes during pregnancy that is the last -- I`ve never heard anyone comment on that. Everybody`s looking at with the baby and look at how big the baby is and this guy is focusing on that.

CORCORAN: Well I was self-conscious about my very (INAUDIBLE) for about three years after that when I got over it.

O`DONNELL: Barbara Corcoran, thank you very much for joining us tonight. CORCORAN: My pleasure. O`DONNELL: We really appreciate it. CORCORAN: My pleasure. O`DONNELL: Thank you. It`s an important story. CORCORAN: Thank you.