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The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 9/9/2016

Guests: Rick Wilson, Philip Bump, Tim Miller, Charlie Pierce, Nancy Giles, Maria Teresa Kumar, David Archambault

Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O'DONNELLDate: September 9, 2016Guest: Rick Wilson, Philip Bump, Tim Miller, Charlie Pierce, Nancy Giles, Maria Teresa Kumar, David Archambault RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC ANCHOR: That does it for us tonight. We will see you again on Monday. Now it`s time for the "LAST WORD" with Lawrence O`Donnell. Good evening, Lawrence. LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC ANCHOR: Rachel here is a strange thing about the heels spur, he now says he doesn`t remember which heel. MADDOW: It was so terrible, he had to blot it out. O`DONNELL: But that`s why you need the complete medical records. MADDOW: I look forward to getting them. O`DONNELL: To find out which heel. MADDOW: I`m doing to stake out Dr. Oz`s set. O`DONNELL: Thank you, Rachel. We have breaking news tonight about Syria, which we will bring you presently and we have breaking news from North Dakota where one of the protesters trying to block construction of an oil pipeline near the reservation told me today, quote, "Obama saved the day." But first, today Donald Trump found himself being attacked by Elizabeth Warren on the campaign trail and left to defend himself without any help from congressional Republicans, who have endorsed him. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump on the defensive over his continued embrace of Vladimir Putin, this time, on Russian owned TV. DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If he says great things about me I`m going to say great things about him. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, he`s a bad guy and Trump is making him out like some golfing partner, come on. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He can`t get enamoured by the fact that Putin is nice to him and plays to his ego. HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What would Ronald Reagan say? TRUMP: She could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching right smack in the middle of the heart and she couldn`t be prosecuted, OK? REPRESENTATIVE PAUL RYAN (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: Do you think I`m going to stand up here and be election pundit? SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Honestly, I am not here to talk about Donald Trump. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s talk about him for a minute. Large orange elephant in the room. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The one guy Donald Trump has nothing bad to say about his Vladimir Putin. Maybe he`s afraid Putin will cut off his supply of lives, I really don`t know what`s going on. CLINTON: Thank you all. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Secretary Clinton, do you have a response to Donald Trump appearing on Russian pundit television? (END VIDEOTAPE) O`DONNELL: The breaking news on Syria tonight is that the United States and Russia have reached an agreement tonight for joint military targeting against the Islamic State in Syria. Donald Trump did not know that tonight when just over an hour ago he said this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: I`ll tell you this, if we got along with Russia, that wouldn`t be so bad, would it? That wouldn`t be so bad. And if Russia, which has a huge ISIS problem also, wants to help us get rid of ISIS and wants to spend billions and billions of dollars along with us when getting rid of ISIS, I`m all for it, folks. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: That must mean he`s all for what John Kerry achieved today. Donald Trump will no doubt be congratulating Secretary of State John Kerry who negotiated the deal with the Russian foreign minister. The new cooperative military targeting is supposed to be in on Monday in Syria. Donald Trump ended his campaign week tonight with a particularly unhinged performance on a stage in Pensacola, Florida where he said this about Hillary Clinton. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: Because she`s being so protected, she could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching right smack in the middle of the heart, and she wouldn`t be prosecuted, OK. That`s what`s happened. That`s what`s happened to our country. I never thought I`d see the day when this is happening to our country. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: He does not have to say one true thing to his audiences, not one true thing, ever. The first American presidential candidate in history to run on a platform that includes praise of a Russian dictator, is a Republican, which creates new problems for Republicans every day. Marco Rubio, who was in a tough re-election campaign in Florida separated himself from Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: Vladimir Putin is not a president, he`s a dictator. He may carry the title of president but he`s a dictator. I have tremendous disagreements with President Obama on policy, huge differences, but Vladimir Putin is not a president, he`s a dictator. We`ll have to deal with him, but that doesn`t mean that I don`t recognize him for what he is, which is a thug and tyrant. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: John McCain who was in the toughest re-election campaign of his career and has never had a kind word for Vladimir Putin tries every day, as he did today, to not talk about Donald Trump. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Given the performances, plural, this week of Donald Trump, are you still convinced that he`s the best choice for national security. MCCAIN: Look, I`ve supported the nominee of the party. Next question. I honestly, I am not here to talk about Donald Trump. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Republican speaker of the House Paul Ryan had to once again deliver the Republican Party line about Vladimir Putin. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RYAN: Let me say this about Putin. Vladimir Putin is an aggressor that does not share interest. Vladimir Putin is violating the sovereignty of neighboring countries. It`s certainly appears that he`s conducting state sponsored cyber-attacks and what appears to be our political system. That is not acting in our interest and that is adversarial stance and he`s acting like an adversary. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you still comfortable voting for him to commander-in-chief? RYAN: I`ll leave it at that. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: I`ll leave it at that? It was a simple yes or no question. And after the NBC commander-in-chief forum, are you Paul Ryan, still comfortable voting for Donald Trump as commander-in-chief? And Paul Ryan could not bring himself to say one simple word "yes." Because, among other things, in that forum, Donald Trump said this about Vladimir Putin. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: I`ve already said, he is really very much of a leader. I mean, you can say oh isn`t that a terrible thing. The man has very strong control over the country. It`s a different system and I don`t happen to like the system, but certainly in that system he`s been a leader far more than our president. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Donald Trump`s running mate, Mike Pence, who hopes to have a life in politics after Donald Trump distanced himself from Donald Trump today in two ways. First, Mike Pence humiliated Donald Trump by releasing ten years of Pence family tax returns and after receiving his first intelligence briefing, Mike Pence showed Donald Trump how to talk about an intelligence briefing, or, I should say, how not to talk about an intelligence briefing. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I`m truly grateful for all the national security personnel that made themselves available today for what was a thorough and informative briefing. Clearly I`m out of a deep respect for the classified nature of the briefing, I cannot comment on the topics that were covered. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Republican Rudolph Giuliani, who has supported Donald Trump in many of the unhinged falsehoods he has advanced this year, decided yesterday on "HARD BALL," he just couldn`t play the Trump game about President Obama`s birth. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW WORK CITY MAYOR: Donald Trump believes now that he was born in the United States, but that issue was raised originally -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When is he going to say that this president is legitimate? This is a fundamental question Mr. Mayor, is the president of the United States legitimate or not, if you believe it, why doesn`t your candidate state it? GIULIANI: I believe it, he believes it, we all believe it. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: If the Trump campaign believed that Donald Trump`s years of relentless lying about President Obama`s birth could just be erased in a moment on "HARDBALL" by Rudy Giuliani, they were sadly mistaken. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ANDREW CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Rudy Giuliani goes on and he says, Donald Trump now will say that he believes that President Obama was born in Hawaii. He doesn`t say it himself, why not? KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: You have to ask him. CUOMO: Why won`t he come out and just own that position? That, yes, President Obama was born here. I was wrong to go with the birthers. CONWAY: So he believes President Obama was born here. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Rick Wilson, a Republican strategist who is a contributor the web site "Heat Street." He`s also an advisor to Evan McMullin who is running for president as an independent. Tim Miller is also with us. He was involved in the "Never Trump Movement" and a former communications director for the Jeb 2016 campaign. Also with us Philip Bump, political reporter for "The Washington Post." Rick Wilson, to Kellyanne Conway`s moment that we just saw there, and this is something that I`ve only seen in the Trump campaign. I`ve never seen it in any other campaign where you ask the campaign manager, high level campaign representative, what the candidate thinks about something and she says, her actual answer, she does this all the time is, you`ll have to ask him. I mean, and this is about elementary things like the president`s birth, in this case, you`ll have to ask him. What kind of campaign is that? Where the campaign manager, where the campaign manager, first of all, says you have to ask him knowing that you can`t ask him because he won`t do an interview on your show or you have to ask him because I have no idea what my candidate thinks. RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Right. This is Baghdad Kelly. I mean, she`s trying to make this reality distortion field where the Trump people lived in where they literally don`t want to hear a single word that is contrary to whatever weird vision Donald Trump has that day. So because of that, you end up with things that these absurdities like birtherism that was a sucker bet from the beginning that Donald Trump is one of the last people touting that because Roger Stone and he were conspiring one day. And Roger giggled and rubbed his hands together and said I can get the real birth certificate from Kenya, and Trump, you know, went and believed it and made a whole fume stink about it. As a way, he thought to validate himself with the Tea Party conservatives, et cetera. It`s nuts and Kelly is out there every day, like I said, it`s Baghdad Kelly at this point. She`s completely trying to not her head up and down long enough and hope Donald Trump doesn`t say something about aliens or lizard people and Hillary Clinton. I mean, this is desperate and it`s painful to watch. You know, she`s obviously decided she`s going to go down with the ship. O`DONNELL: I don`t have the pleasure of watching Donald Trump`s Friday night speeches and I`ve discovered they are, apparently, the most unhinged. Tonight, just within the last hour, he established a new principle of war for the United States of America and that is we`ll go to war of a gesture. In this case, war with Iran. Let`s listen to what he just said about what he`s willing to go to war over. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: By the way, with Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats and they make gestures that are people that they shouldn`t be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water. OK. Believe me. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: So Philip Bump, that officially is lunacy by any description. There`s no even handed cool anchor man way to describe what we just heard. We just heard a lunatic say, if little boats and people on them make gestures to American destroyers, that`s an act of war, we will start a shooting war with Iran over that. PHILIP BUMP, "THE WASHINGTON POST": I think this is all very much off of piece of Putin thing and piece with Donald Trump`s campaign. He`s protecting himself as a tough guy. That his mean M.O. when it comes to talking about foreign policy. He`s tough. We`ve heard this when he`s talking about the use of water boarding and other potential torture techniques. We`ve heard it when he`s saying, we just saw him talk about how Vladimir Putin is a strong leader. That is the sort of leader Donald Trump envisions himself as, not as a leader who is negotiated in the halls of Congress and figuring out how to pass policy, but a strong authoritarian sort of leader. This is not him making a considered look at how to deal with the Iranian threat that might exist in the gulf, it is instead him being as tough as he possibly can in front of an audience that`s applauding. O`DONNELL: The problem with that, Tim Miller, is how do we know? I mean, Philip is doing what a reasonable person would do, a reasonable person would listen to that and say, no reasonable human being could ever mean that. The trouble is an unhinged madman just said it into a microphone during his presidential campaign in public within the last two months of the campaign where he`s trying to convince the American voters that he should be the commander-in-chief. It`s in the week of the Commander-In-Chief Forum and this unhinged lunatic says, if people in their little boats make gestures to anyone on our destroyers, they will be shot out of the water, water, thereby initiating an act of war against Iran. How do we know that this lunatic doesn`t mean every word of that? TIM MILLER, NEVERTRUMP MOVEMENT: We don`t. We don`t, Lawrence. It`s scary and dangerous, that`s why Philip is admirably attempting to give an honest assessment of this as if Donald Trump a regular candidate but he`s not. He`s completely unhinged and to the point that Philip was making about him protecting strength. Donald Trump has the most warped view of strength of anyone I`ve ever encountered. This is not the John Wayne kind of quiet traditional American strength. This is a weak man who is trying to over compensate for it by sucking up to Putin, by making fun of disabled, by making fun people who are weak and its strength is seen like by a kindergartener and having a person with a kindergartener`s temperament in the White House is extremely dangerous. That`s why, I think, you`ve heard the Republicans talking, no matter what you think about the need for all the down ticket Republicans to win, which I agree with strongly, you can`t trust Donald Trump at all and you absolutely cannot support him. O`DONNELL: Rick, and this is what I believe President Obama was referring when he talked about Trump being graded on a curve. It is very, very unlikely that newspapers coast to coast tomorrow will have giant headlines saying Donald Trump will go to war over a gesture. It is very unlikely that any of that will be in a headline if it`s quoted, it will be buried somewhere down in the story somewhere because we`re taking the madness for granted now. We`re taking the unhinged insanity to just be part of the language and the music of this campaign, a little bit like the Rolling Stones music he plays at the end of the speech. This is the normalization of political insanity right before our eyes. WILSON: Lawrence, you know, to quote -- to modify Daniel Patrick Moynihan, this is defining lunacy down. And the things that would have disqualified a person utterly in any prior campaign and any sensible environment are things that Donald Trump feeds his base who are less educated, who are unable to process the sort of sophisticated problems that would occur if you randomly started shooting people out of the water. And if you give a crazy person, a man who is demonstrably unhinged, who probably could not qualify for the slightest version of any security clearance control over America`s nuclear arsenal. This is a guy who is so completely detached from reality and unfortunately, there`s been a responsibility failure in the press to stop the show every day and say, wait a second, we`re not covering the crazy rally, we`ll go back and talk about the utterly insane thing you just said, Mr. Trump. And until you start answering questions like a rational person, we`re not going to play this game anymore. They won`t do that and can`t do that at this point. It certainly would have been a due diligence thing of the American media a year ago. O`DONNELL: What about that, Philip, the media`s challenge here, since we`ve never had a candidate like this, he -- you know, he tests our limits. He tests our techniques every day? BUMP: It`s absolutely true. To your point about grading on the curve, if you have a kid in your class that keeps flunking tests, if you are grading him on the curve, it kind of throws the curve out of the window. I mean, Donald Trump has done so many things that are so far outside of the norm of what we expect from presidential candidates that you`re right. Part of the problem, too, which in Rick`s point is that they`ve happened one after another. It`s hard for us to dive deep into one thing that he has done because he does something shortly thereafter, which steps on it, right. I mean, if you look at what happened over the course of the conventions and Khan family, I mean, things backed up so quickly that it`s hard to sit and actually take each thing out and say this is a weird thing that happened that we need to process fully because something else as weird or weirder happened shortly thereafter. Not to make excuses that`s what he said something that`s uncommon is should be that something that is causes a lot of concern for a lot of people to be his objective as I can as sitting here. And you`re right, that it is not, however, something that is totally abnormal for Donald Trump and therefore, it is not totally abnormal in the context of this election. O`DONNELL: Yes, we`ve been through over a year about that. Tim Miller, Philip Bump, thank you both very much for joining us. Rick Wilson hang around we`ll do a little bit more. Coming up, Elizabeth Warren campaign for Hillary Clinton today and took her campaign audience on a tour of how she said Donald Trump compromised prosecutors who were beginning to take a look at Trump University. And later, the stunning news today, it surprised all of us, President Obama intervened to stop construction of the oil pipeline near the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: The Aleppo moment, Libertarian Gary Johnson`s worst moment of the campaign so far. It happened right here on MSNBC, but it`s the kind of moment that Donald Trump has in virtually every paragraph of his campaign speeches. That`s coming up. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: Libertarian presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, finally rocketed into the headlines this week. They weren`t the headlines he wanted thanks to the Aleppo moment on MSNBC with Mike Barnacle yesterday morning. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What would you do if you were elected about Aleppo? GARY JOHNSON, LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: About? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aleppo? JOHNSON: And what is Aleppo? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re kidding? JOHNSON: No. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aleppo in Syria. It`s the epicenter of the refugee crisis. JOHNSON: OK, got it. Got it. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: "The Washington Post" editorial today pointed out that Gary Johnson then went on to offer, quote, "A relatively summary of U.S. support for various Syrian factions" and the editorial then went on to contrast Gary Johnson`s Aleppo moment and his quick apology for it with Donald Trump`s, quote, "Staggering array of ignorant and mendacious assertions" for which Donald Trump has never apologized or expressed any regret. THE LAST WORD staff has spent two days now since Gary Johnson`s Aleppo moment searching for just a single instance of Donald Trump ever having used the word "Aleppo" in a sentence. We found none. There is therefore absolutely no evidence that the Republican nominee for president, who is currently running a close second in the polls and tied with Hillary Clinton in some polls, had any understanding of what Aleppo is or where it is before Gary Johnson`s Aleppo moment. But if Donald Trump had been lured into the Aleppo trap himself, it would have been the smallest stumble of his campaign. How does not recognizing the word, "Aleppo," without context, compare to the actual policy positions of Donald Trump? Joining us now, Charlie Pierce, writer-at-large for "Esquire." Back with us Rick Wilson. Charlie, one of my favorite moments in the Aleppo tape is when Mike Barnacle says, are you kidding me? Which I have wanted every Trump interviewer to say after in the middle of every Trump answer all year. CHARLIE PIERCE, "ESQUIRE": I think it should predicate every question. Mr. Trump, I know you`re going to be kidding me, but here is my question. As your dad use to say in the courtroom, we will stipulate that what you`re saying is going to be nonsense, let`s ask the question. O`DONNELL: I want to go to one of the items that is far worse than the Johnson moment on Aleppo. This is something that Matt Lauer brought up the other night. Donald Trump`s attitude toward sexual assault in the military. Let`s look at this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MATT LAUER: In 2013 on this subject you tweeted this, quote, "26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, only 238 convictions, what did these geniuses expect when they put men and women together? TRUMP: It is a correct tweet. There are many people that think that that`s absolutely correct. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Rick Wilson, not only know apology for the tweet, he just keeps going with it. WILSON: He is a black hole into which all reason and fact collapse into a singularity. There`s nothing about this guy that -- there`s nothing inside of his brain or his conscience that ever says, hey, maybe I need to not say this, maybe I need to walk this back. Everything for him is in the immediate moment. It`s always right because he thinks he`s always right. So there`s no -- this is, like, a lot of sociopaths, he just processes the current crisis that moves forward from it without any sort of moral way to it at all. You see this kind of thing over and over again where he`s wrong. Even when he`s called out on being wrong or being egregious, he continues on his merry way, he`s never been held to account. This is a five-year-old trapped in a 70-year-old`s bloated body. He acts just like a 5-year-old. He always wants his candy. He always wants to be right about everything and he screams for mommy if he doesn`t get his way. O`DONNELL: We`ll stipulate this is one of those segments where we could use 100 examples, so staying on the tip of the iceberg, he, of course, is in favor of murdering the families of terrorists. I want to go to Hillary Clinton talking about that in the context of going after Osama Bin Laden. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CLINTON: Yes. Every second counted, but still our SEALs took the time to move the women and children, Bin Laden`s family members, to safety before destroying the helicopter. That is what honor looks like. That is America at our best. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: And Charlie, Donald Trump, doesn`t understand a word she just said. PIERCE: No, of course not because it`s spoken in the language of logic and reason which he has not gotten Rosetta stone program for yet. But I mean, I could sit here and be snide and say that, you know, George W. Bush took care of Osama Bin Laden`s family flying them out of the country after 9/11. But we`ve moved on from that so I won`t. O`DONNELL: All right, we are out of time. I wanted to give the Aleppo moment in context with the Trump campaign, which has those Aleppo moments dozens of times a day. Rick Wilson and Charlie Pierce, thank you both for joining us. Appreciate it. Coming up, Elizabeth Warren is going to take us on a tour of Trump University. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Here`s Elizabeth Warren today campaigning for Hillary Clinton in Philadelphia. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: Now Trump has one other move to deal with his so-called university. And that was when the complaints starting piling up and law enforcement started closing in on him, the Trump Foundation made an illegal $25,000 campaign contribution to the Florida Attorney General, to make the investigation go away. And that worked so well he made a big contribution to the Texas Republican Attorney General when Texas conveniently dropped their Trump U investigation. What kind of a man breaks the law to make illegal contributions to make his fraud investigations go away? Well, I`ll tell you what kind of a man. A small, insecure, money-grubber who will never be President of the United States. It`s ridiculous. (You bet.) (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Nancy Giles, contributor to CBS News Sunday Morning and Maria Teresa Kumar, President and CEO of Voto Latino and an MSNBC contributor. Nancy, Elizabeth Warren, Professor Elizabeth Warren, you can tell cares about this university fraud case very personally, as a professor herself. NANCY GILES, COMMENTATOR, CBS NEWS SUNDAY MORNING: Well, she`s a real professor of a real university and really values real education. And this is just like fraud over fraud over fraud. And she`s saying what kind of man. What kind of system lets him get away with that? It`s staggering. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Yeah and in Florida, where you are, Maria Teresa, the Tamp Bay Times today editorial said that, "Since Florida prosecutors will not touch this mess, the Justice Department is the only option. The appearance of something more than a coincidence is too serious, and the unresolved questions are too numerous to accept blanket denials by Bondi and Trump without more digging and an independent review." What`s the -- what`s the reaction in Florida? MARIA TERESA KUMAR, PRES. & CEO, VOTO LATINO: Well, I think everybody`s scratching their head. (END VIDEO CLIP) Even folks that are normally Republican are saying how is this guy on the top of the ticket for the Republican Party? It`s pretty wild. But -- but when -- Elizabeth Warren, when she says what kind of guy, basically it`s a guy who could only -- is only in this for his own self-interest. O`DONNELL: Right. KUMAR: The fact that he created a -- he wrote a check from his charity means that he`s actually looking for hopefully a tax deduction off of this. That`s pretty wild, Lawrence. GILES: It was pretty crafty, actually. O`DONNELL: Yeah, and -- and. KUMAR: I mean that`s wild. O`DONELL: But the way -- the way Elizabeth Warren focuses, and I have to say when she -- when she brings it down to that what kind of man breaks the law to make an illegal contribution to make his fraud investigations go away. And this is the guy who always said when I make these political contributions, I get what I want from the politicians. GILES: He`s completely said it, and this is the proof of it. And I love that she says what kind of a man, because it really does stop you in your tracks and make you think about just the icky -- I -- that`s not the best grammatical choice, but the ickiness of this guy and the sleaziness of what he represents. KUMAR: Well, and the fact that again he would use his foundation as front. GILES: Yeah. KUMAR: To basically make illegal contributions, look -- hoping that no one was going to catch him, so that he can go ahead and get a tax deduction? I mean that`s incredibly unsavory. GILES: It`s a businessman`s tactic, you know. O`DONNELL: All right. We need -- we need a break from the sleaziness. So we`re going to -- we`re going to take a quick br. KUMAR: (Not till) November eighth. O`DONNELL: I guess so. All right. Well, you can take a deep breath for the next minute or two and we`re going to be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: Hillary Clinton had a closed-door meeting today with a bipartisan group of 16 National Security experts. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) After the meeting, she made a short statement, took a few questions from reporters and, as she was leaving the microphone, NBC`s Kristen Welker asked something that got Secretary Clinton to turn around and make one more comment. KRISTEN WELKER, JOURNALIST, NBC NEWS: Secretary Clinton, do you have a response to Donald Trump appearing on (Russian) funded television? SECTY. HILLARY CLINTON, 2016 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: You know, every day that goes by it just becomes more and more of a reality television shop. It`s not -- it`s not a serious presidential campaign. And it is beyond one`s imagination to have a candidate for President praising a Russian autocrat like Vladimir Putin, and throwing his lot in with him in the way that he has approved of his wish list. And not even really understanding what Putin has already done, like invading and occupying Crimea. We are living in challenging times, and that certainly was reinforced by the excellent discussion we had today. No one who wants to assume the responsibility of being President and Commander in Chief should be making the kind of reckless and dangerous statements, and identifying with a regime that has some aggressive tendencies toward our interests, our values, our friends and allies. So can I say was surprised? I`m not sure anything surprises us anymore. But I was certainly disappointed that someone running for President of the United States would continue this unseemly identification with and praise of the Russian president, including on Russian television. Thank you all. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Maria Teresa Kumar, Hillary Clinton has a unique burden. No other candidate before her has had to answer questions about anything as crazy as the Trump campaign, including today, how about your opponent getting tricked by Larry King --mastermind, international mastermind Larry King -- (inaudible) appearing on Russian TV. KUMAR: I mean, it was pretty wild the fa -- and she -- and she laid it out. She said when was the last time that anyone would support of foreign government that has been so hostile to the United States, especially someone that has -- that is -- has such a shady background as Vladimir Putin. It`s pretty wild. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) And the fact that this person is now leading and wants to be President of the Unites States, it`s actually so anti-American that she has such a hard time swallowing. But I have to say the way she delivered her statement today was so. (END VIDEO CLIP) It connected not only with - with her audience, but I think there was actually -- it -- it showed a different side of Hillary in that she was accessible, thoughtful, and wanted to say, look, you guys, this -- we`re not playing any more. GILES: Right. KUMAR: This -- we`re -- we`re really trying to figure out where we want to go for the next 25 years, and the stakes just got higher because you have someone on the other side of the ticket that is not a traditional candidate. This is not a typical -- this is not a political -- typical political race right now. This is asymmetrical. We`re talking about the future of our country where I have over 200 generals on my side, a hundred plus Republicans on my side. What`s he got? GILES: I know. And -- and, you know, the thing that struck me is just the plain seriousness of what she said. And I fell as -- as much as anybody else. I think I`ve gotten a little caught up in the joke that is Donald Trump, and the story that is Donald Trump, and the absurdity. But the bottom line is this is a scary situation. And this is a real insulting dude who could take an autocrat, a dictator, a -- I mean, the head of the KFB. Just because maybe he stands around without -- without a shirt and by a horse and looks like macho. And that`s the kind of guy he identifies with and wants to be. And it -- it`s so insulting to President Obama I can barely breathe. O`DONNELL: Well, you can now breathe. GILES: OK, thank you.. O`DONNELL: I`m going to go to a commercial. Nancy Giles and Maria Teresa Kumar, thank you both for joining us on this Friday night. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) Coming up, President Obama stepped in today on the side of the protestors at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. The chairman of the tribe will join us. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: Time for our Friday submitted without comment segment. Tonight we will submit without comment a photo that was released today by the Clinton Presidential Library. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: We have breaking news tonight on the protest of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota in opposition to the construction of an oil pipeline there. President Obama today ordered a stop to the construction of that pipeline in that area. The Standing Rock Sioux tribe, led by Chairman Dave Archambault, sued to stop the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline that is planned to run from North Dakota down to central Illinois. The tribe suffered a major loss in federal court this afternoon when a judge ruled that the construction could proceed. But just minutes after that, in a dramatic move that no one anticipate, the Obama administration announced a coordinated action that`d -- that would at least temporarily stop construction of the pipeline at the protest location. The pipeline is designed to run underground and under the Missouri River. When it`s fully operational 450,000 barrels of oil would run under the Missouri River every day. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) The tribe insists that the pipeline cannot be built without destroying sacred sites on land and risking oil damage to the river. Last Friday the tribe filed new information in the case, identifying sacred sites in the path of the pipeline. And the very next day the pipeline construction company sent bulldozers to those specific sites. When the protestors tried to stop the bulldozers from destroying those sites, the pipeline construction company used attack dogs to try to control the crowd. Amy Goodman of Democracy Now was there and she captured video showing the bloody mouths of dogs after biting protestors yesterday. Governor Jack Dalrymple, a strong supporter of both Donald Trump and the pipeline, ordered the National Guard to patrol the protest area in anticipation of today`s ruling by the federal judge. The tribe has been struggling from the start to get media and political attention outside of North Dakota, where both Senators, Democrat and Republican, along with the Governor and the state`s one member of the House of Representatives -- who`s also a Republican -- fully support the pipeline. Tuesday President Obama was finally asked about the pipe -- pipeline for the first time, not by a member of the traveling White House press corps, but by a student at a university on the other side of the Pacific Ocean in Laos. President Obama said he was not aware of the details of the case, but he also said this: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: This issue of ancestral lands and helping them preserve their way of life is something that we have worked very hard on. Now some of these issues are caught up with laws and treaties and -- and so I can`t give you details on this particular case. I`d have to go back to my staff and find out how are we doing on this one. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: The President apparently put the staff to work today at high speed. The President landed back in Washington after midnight. Today`s announcement by the Obama administration stopping the construction was clearly coordinated in detail by the White House. It was issued as a joint statement from the Department of Justice, the Department of the Army, and the Department of the Interior. The Army Corps of Engineers controls some of the pipeline route. The joint statement said "The Army Corps of Engineers` decision to allow construction of the pipeline will be reconsidered." And the statement made a more general point. "This case has highlighted the need for a serious discussion on whether there should be nationwide reform with respect to considering tribes` views on these types of infrastructure projects." We`ve asked Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton if they support the President`s actions today. We have not yet received a response from the Trump or Clinton campaign. The protestors at Standing Rock call themselves protectors, protectors of their sacred sites, protectors of their rivers. The tribes, of course, were this country`s first protectors of the environment, our first environmental -- environmentalists, long before anyone else thought there was something sacred, something worthy of protection, in our lands and in our waters. Today one of the protectors, (Rebecca Gray Bull), told me that at first the judges` decision to allow the construction was, quote, "Like a knife in the gut."` She then said, "I am ecstatic and grateful that Obama saved the day for us here." "This is just the beginning," she said, "we are bunkering down for winter." The Standing Rock Sioux Reservation is a special place for President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) They visited there in 2014. The Chairman of the tribe, Dave Archambault, had the honor of escorting the President and Mrs. Obama on their visit. (END VIDEO CLIP) And we are honored that Chairman Archambault is joining us once again tonight from North Dakota. Chairman, tell us the reaction there when you got the word that the Obama administration was intervening. DAVID ARCHAMBAULT, STANDING ROCK SIOUX CHAIRMAN: I was -- it was a disappointment when I heard the ruling of the judge. And then after I got notice of what the administration was doing, I wasn`t sure if it was accurate or not. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) But it was -- it was a good feeling to start to think that the courage that these people in the administration and these agencies stepped up and they -- they answered the call, and they know that public policy is something that needs to be reformed so that we can better ensure the protection of indigenous people and indigenous rights. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: You know, we asked the White House just what the President`s involvement was in this, and they wouldn`t give us any response to that. But you have to wonder. Because you got the word out and you got the word out worldwide, someone stood up in Laos at a university, on the other side of the world, and asked the President a question about this just yesterday, before he got on the plane flying back here. And he said then the -- to that student in response that he was going to look into this with -- with his staff. And this was the day they had to really look into it. ARCHAMBAULT: Well, you know, we`ve been working at informing everybody, including the White House, all the agencies, of the injustices that were taking place. And they -- they -- when I heard the President`s remark in Laos, I immediately called the White House and said you have the information and you can share it with him now. O`DONNELL: And, Dave, tell us about the President`s time when he visited you there. You told me about it last weekend when I was there. And -- and please share with us whatever you feel free to make public about your conversations with him and what he experienced there when he was at your reservation. ARCHAMBAULT: Well, I -- when I had the President here, there was a couple things that I wanted to make sure happened. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) I wanted him to experience the reality of what takes place in Indian country. And I also wanted to -- to let him see a little bit of our culture, you know. The reality is we have a high rate of poverty and all the symptoms that come with poverty. And it`s the kids who were able to share the stories that relayed that message for us. But we also have a beautiful way of life. And through our dancing, dances and our songs, I -- I felt that we left an impression on the First Lady and the President. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: And what`s the feeling at the protest camp tonight? Just a week ago tonight you and I were there at this very hour. And I -- I`m just imagining. Things were tense then. That was the day before they let the dogs go after the protectors who went up the road a little bit there. Tonight must be a very special feeling in the camp. ARCHAMBAULT: You know, I stopped in there just before I came back here. And people are -- are happy. People are proud of what -- what the agencies are doing and that they`re stepping up. It`s a good feeling all the way around. There are a lot of tribes still coming in. I would say there`s -- it grew since you been there, Lawrence. There`s probably about 5,000 people there now and it`s just. There was a lot of rain today, but it doesn`t -- doesn`t stop them. They`re still coming, and they want to still stand in solidarity with us. O`DONNELL: Dave, what do you think is next in this process? One of the things the President`s -- the statement promised today is a conference upcoming this fall in which they will review all of these laws and all of these regulations and -- and just what the protections are, and what they should be in these situations for the tribes. ARCHAMBAULT: We still have a lot of work to do. This -- I know this is not over. We -- what we want to do is make sure that whatever we -- whatever time we have here on this earth is it`s spent worthwhile so that we leave a better future for the kids that are coming. O`DONNELL: Chairman Dave Archambault, thank you once again for joining us here on The Last Word. A real honor to have you back. Thank you very much, Dave. ARCHAMBAULT: Thank you, Lawrence. O`DONNELL: We`ll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DONALD TRUMP: 2016 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Oh, and by the way, the said my wife, Melania, might have come in illegally. Can you believe that one? No, no, no. They said, headlines, maybe she came in illegally, maybe. Let me tell you one thing. She has got it so documented. So she`s going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks. That`s the -- that (good). (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Next couple of weeks. That was a month ago. So I guess the maybe she came here illegally stories aren`t worth fighting after all. That`s it for The Last Word. Chris Hayes is up next. END