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The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 8/16/2016

Guests: Mark Thompson, Rick Wilson, Gary Kasparov, Charlie Sykes

Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL Date: August 16, 2016 Guest: Mark Thompson, Rick Wilson, Gary Kasparov, Charlie Sykes

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: Campaign event night -- on the East Coast in the 9:00 hour locally where he is in Wisconsin. It still hasn`t started yet, Rudy Giuliani is there, but Trump still hasn`t taken the podium.

It`s turning into kind of a weird Trump campaign event night. That does it for us, we`ll keep an eye on those details here, we`ll keep an eye on that ongoing story here at Msnbc.

I`ll see you again tomorrow, now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell, good evening Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, LAST WORD: Rachel, I think you might have just kind of ruined the national audience for the Trump speech when you called it a "teleprompter speech".


I -- you know, the audience is on to it now. The teleprompter speeches are no fun.

MADDOW: Well, I enjoy watching him breathe through his nose. So, I like the teleprompter speeches because they have a very pronounced component that I find to be separate than the speech part of it.

O`DONNELL: Yes, and you and I have some familiarity with just how easy it is to read a teleprompter.

MADDOW: Yes --

O`DONNELL: And so, it is always kind of a marvel that when you`re seeing someone do it for the second time --

MADDOW: Yes --

O`DONNELL: That there`s any struggle involved at all.

MADDOW: Yes, glass houses.

O`DONNELL: Right --

MADDOW: A good point made --

O`DONNELL: Yes, actually, I take back that last comment.

MADDOW: Yes --

O`DONNELL: I`m about to ruin the teleprompter reading I`m sure. Thank you, Rachel --

MADDOW: Thank you --

O`DONNELL: Keep breathing --

MADDOW: Lawrence --

O`DONNELL: Keep breathing --

MADDOW: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Well, as you just heard, Donald Trump is about to give that speech. There`s one of his warm-up men on the stage, Reince Priebus in Wisconsin.

The speech is supposed to be about as the campaign says "law and order", that`s a phrase that Richard Nixon used repeatedly in his rise to the presidency.

We`ll see what Donald Trump does with it. But as we await that speech, Rush Limbaugh is preparing his audience for the defeat of Donald Trump.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: When Donald Trump speaks, he speaks about fear.


CLINTON: He speaks about such negativity.

TRUMP: It`s going to be very tough to come into this country.

GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R), WISCONSIN: If Donald Trump can keep the focus on her and give speeches like he gave yesterday, he can win. If he gets off on other issues, it becomes much more difficult.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC: There is no great comeback for Donald Trump. He`s got nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s sitting on, apparently, millions and millions of cash on hand, where are the ads?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are like what? Eighty five days to the election, and Trump just said he is not going to change who he is.

TRUMP: When you start pivoting, you`re not being honest with people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re never honest with us!


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: Look, I told you guys, I`ve stood by everything I have said in my campaign.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO HOST: Now, do you see what happens when you go after the media, it doesn`t work.

TRUMP: I`m running against the crooked media, that`s what I`m running against.


SCARBOROUGH: It is Donald Trump just flying by the seat of his pants every day.

TRUMP: I`ve gotten here on landslide and we`ll see what happens.


O`DONNELL: Rush Limbaugh, I`m sorry, Donald Trump has not taken the stage yet in Wisconsin. There is Reince Priebus still left there.

But to Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh can read polls even if Donald Trump can`t. Which is why Rush Limbaugh is now preparing his audience for the electoral college landslide for Hillary Clinton.

The polls now indicate will happen on election day unless voters have a big change of heart and mind about Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.


LIMBAUGH: Now you`re seeing what happens when you go after the media, it doesn`t work! That no matter how unbalanced, no matter how biased, no matter how unfair, no matter how a bunch of cheaters they are, no matter what a bunch of slavish pro-Democrats creeps they are, it never works going after them if you are the candidate.

It makes you look small. Besides, despite what many people think, the media isn`t on the ballot.


O`DONNELL: Rush Limbaugh needs to hold on to his audience the day after election day. The audience who he did not lead to support Trump, but who he followed in their support of Trump.

Rush Limbaugh violated all of his so-called principles of conservatism in supporting Donald Trump, but that`s what Rush Limbaugh`s audience wanted and Rush never defies his audience.

But Rush is going to need an I-told-you-so the day after the election in order to still be the all-knowing genius in the eyes of his fans.

So, Rush Limbaugh has to be able to say, I told you Donald Trump shouldn`t have done this or shouldn`t have done that or shouldn`t have gone to war with the media.

I warned him not to do that, you heard me warn him not to do that, and that`s why he is not president. Rush will no doubt be doing some of this every week as the polls dictate between now and election day.

Here`s a little bit more of Rush Limbaugh`s "I told you so" that he`ll be using the day after the election.


LIMBAUGH: Trump has decided -- he actually was in Fairfield, Connecticut. Number one, what`s Trump doing in Connecticut? There may be ten Republicans there, and only five of them would admit it.

He`s in Fairfield, I go to Fairfield every Summer to play in the member guest golf tournament in the Country Club of Fairfield.

I`m telling you, folks, it`s a foreign country. What is Trump doing there? I have no idea. But when he was there, he told them in the rally, he said the heck with running against crooked Hillary. We`re not running against crooked Hillary, we`re running against a crooked media.


O`DONNELL: Today, Donald Trump went to another state that he`s going to lose Wisconsin which he lost in the Republican primary to Ted Cruz, and where he is currently running 13 points behind Hillary Clinton.

Wisconsin hasn`t voted for a Republican president since Ronald Reagan and it`s not about to vote for the worst Republican candidate of all time. Donald Trump scheduled what the campaign calls a "law and order" speech tonight in Wisconsin.

That speech is expected to start any minute. You see Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker up on the stage now. Joining us now from Wisconsin, Charlie Sykes, radio host and "Wtmjam" in Milwaukee and the editor-in-chief of "Right Wisconsin".

Also with us, here in the studio, Rick Wilson, Republican strategist and a contributor to "Heat Street". He`s consulting the Evan McMullin, that`s correct, Evan McMullin campaign. He`s running an independent campaign for president.

He`s the Republican candidate-turned independent, and E.J. Dionne, columnist for the "Washington Post" and an Msnbc political analyst is with us.

Charlie, out there in Wisconsin, what do you make of Donald Trump coming to a state that, like Connecticut, there`s not much chance.

CHARLIE SYKES, RADIO HOST: Yes, it`s about as savvy as going to Connecticut or sending Mike Pence down to New Mexico, when they are really focused -- you know, a laser beam on these swing states, aren`t they?

Look, he`s not going to win Wisconsin, there`s no shot. I`m assuming that he came here for a big dollar fundraiser.

But you know, it almost makes you think that these guys really aren`t very good at politics, they don`t know what they`re doing.

And I think there`re pretty good indication of that though, is the fact that he is overtly saying he`s running against the media rather than Hillary Clinton.

Scott Walker has been telling him, would you talk about Hillary Clinton, would you talk about Hillary Clinton and he just cannot stay on that --

O`DONNELL: Charlie, Donald Trump is stepping up to the microphone now, and I`m sure he`s going to begin with his usual recitation of just how great he`s doing in the polls. Let`s listen.

TRUMP: What a group, wow! Beautiful, thank you.



TRUMP: Thank you, everybody, thank you. It`s great to be here tonight. I am honored also to be joined this evening by Governor Scott Walker, great gentleman and a great -- a really great governor. Chairman Reince Priebus and Mayor Rudolph Guiliani.


We`re at a decisive moment in this election. Last week, I laid out my plan to bring jobs back to our country, desperately needed jobs. Yesterday, I laid out my plan to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.



Tonight, I`m going to talk about how to make our community safe again from crime and lawlessness.


Let me begin by thanking law enforcement officers here in this city and across this country for their service and sacrifice in difficult times

The violence, riots and destruction that have taken place in Milwaukee is an assault on the right of all citizens to live in security and to live in peace.


Law and order must be restored.



It must be restored for the sake of all. But most especially for the sake of those living in the affected communities of which there are many. The main victims of these riots are law-abiding African-American citizens living in these neighborhoods.

It`s their job, it`s their homes, it`s their schools and communities which will suffer the most as a result. There`s no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct for anyone.



Crime and violence is an attack on the poor and will never be accepted in a Trump administration.


The narrative has been pushed aggressively for years, and now by our current administration, and pushed by my opponent, Hillary Clinton --


You know, is a totally false one, you know that. The problem in our poorest communities is not that there are too many police, the problem is that there are not enough police.


More law enforcement, more community engagement, more effective policing is what our country needs desperately. Just like Hillary Clinton is against the miners, she is against the police, believe me.

You know it and I know it, and guess what? She knows it. Those peddling the narrative of cops as a racist force in our society, a narrative supported with a nod by my opponent shared directly in the responsibility for the unrest in Milwaukee and many other places within our country.

They have fostered the dangerous anti-police atmosphere in America and all throughout America.

Every time we rush to judgment with false facts and narratives, whether in Ferguson or in Baltimore and ferment further unrest, we do a direct disservice to poor African-American residents who are hurt by the high crime in their community.

A big unfair problem. During the last 72 hours, while protesters have raged against the police here in Milwaukee, another nine were killed in Chicago and another 46 were wounded.

More than 2,600 people have been shot in Chicago since the beginning of the year and almost 4,000 people killed in President Obama`s hometown area since his presidency began, not too good, that`s for sure.

So, how are we serving these American victims by attacking law enforcement officers? The war on our police must end and it must end now!




TRUMP: Thank you. The war on police is a war on all peaceful citizens who want to be able to work and live and send their kids to school in safety. Our job is not to make life more comfortable for the rioter, or the robber, or the looter or the violent disrupter, of which there are many.

Our job is to make life more comfortable for the African-American parent who wants their kids to be able to safely walk the streets and walk to school.

Or the senior citizen waiting for a bus, or the young child walking home from school, for every one violent protester, there are 100 moms and dads and kids on the same city block who just want to be able to sleep safely at night. They want safety.



My opponent, Hillary, would rather protect the offender than the victim. Big problem in our society. Hillary Clinton backed-policies are responsible for the problems in the inner cities today, and a vote for her is a vote for another generation of poverty, high crime, and lost opportunities.

I care too much about my country to let this happen.





TRUMP: Thank you.


TRUMP: The fact is we all care too much about our country to let this happen. Good policing saves lives.

My wonderful friend who you just heard, Rudy Guiliani knows a thing or two about this. He`s done an amazing job.

The policies put into place by Rudy ultimately brought down crime by 76 percent and murder by 84 percent in New York.

Think of how many families were saved, how much heartache was prevented when police were put into communities and criminals were automatically and systematically removed.

Imagine how many lives could have been saved all across this country. If Democratic politicians hadn`t blocked in their cities what Rudy did in New York City, I`ll make sure we deliver safe neighborhoods here in Milwaukee and Milwaukee has got so many problems. So many problems.

The world is watching right here in Milwaukee, but also across the country. It`s easy for Hillary Clinton to turn a blind eye to crime when she has her own private security force that, by the way, carries guns -- Second Amendment.

I believe all Americans, not just the powerful are entitled to security. Hillary Clinton has had her chance. She`s failed at so many things, almost everything she`s done. Now, it`s time for new leadership.

The Hillary Clinton agenda hurts poor people, by far, the most. There is no compassion in allowing drug dealers, gang members and felons to prey on innocent people.


It is the first duty of government to keep the innocent safe. And when I am president, I will fight for the safety of every American, and especially those Americans who have not known safety for a very long time.



I`m asking for the vote of every African-American citizen struggling in our country today, who wants a different and much better future.



It`s time for our society to address some honest and very difficult choices. The Democratic Party has failed and betrayed the African-American community.

Democratic crime policies, education policies and economic policies have produced only more crime, more broken homes and more poverty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We love you, Donald!



TRUMP: Thank you. Let us look at the situation right here in Milwaukee, a city run by Democrats for decade after decade. Last year, killings in this city increased by 69 percent, plus another 634 victims of non-fatal shootings.

Eighteen to twenty nine-year-olds accounted for nearly half of the homicide victims. The poverty rate here is nearly double the national average. Almost four in ten African-American men in Milwaukee between the ages of 25 and 54 do not have a job.

Nearly 4 in 10 single-mother households are living in poverty. Fifty five public schools in this city have been rated as failing to meet expectations despite $10,000 in funding per pupil, which is a very high number.

There`s only a 60 percent graduation rate, and it`s one of the worst public school systems anywhere in the country.

One in five manufacturing jobs has disappeared in Milwaukee since we fully opened our markets, and you understand what that means.

We opened these markets to China and many African-American neighborhoods have -- look, they have suffered. We opened our markets, they`ve taken our jobs, they give us our products that we don`t make any more.

And African-American neighborhoods along with many other neighborhoods have suffered greatly.

To every voter in Milwaukee, to every voter living in the inner city or every forgotten stretch of our society, I`m running to offer you a much better future.


A much better job, and a much higher wage.



TRUMP: Thank you.


TRUMP: Thank you. The Democratic Party is taken the votes of African- Americans for granted. They`ve just assumed they`ll get your support and done nothing in return for it. They`ve taken advantage of the African- American citizen.

It`s time to give the Democrats some competition for these votes, and it`s time to rebuild the inner cities of America and to reject the failed leadership of a rigged political system, and that`s what it is, it`s a rigged system.


I`m not part of the corrupt system. In fact, the corrupt system is trying to stop me. I`ve been paying my own way, tens of millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars.

The voters in the Republican Party this year defied the donors, the consultants, the power brokers and chose a nominee from outside our failed and corrupt broken system, the nominee is me.



The other party, the Democratic Party nominated the personification of special interest corruption. The Democratic Party rigged the nomination to give it to Hillary Clinton, thus giving the soul of their party this year to special interests. What else is new?

I am running to listen to your voice. To hear the cries for help from so many people in our nation. The quiet voices in our society, not the loudest demonstrators, need to have their demands heard.



Jobs, safety, opportunity, fair and equal representation, we reject the bigotry of Hillary Clinton which panders to and talks down to communities of color and sees them only as votes. That`s all they care about. Not as individual human beings worthy of a better future. They have taken advantage.


She doesn`t care at all about the hurting people of this country, or the suffering she has caused them and "she" meaning she and her party officials, there has been tremendous suffering because of what they have brought.

The African-American community has been taken for granted for decades by the Democratic Party and look how they`re doing.

It`s time to break with the failures of the past. I want to offer Americans a new and much better future. It`s time for a rule by the people, not rule for the special interest which we have right now.


Thank you. Every insider getting rich off of our broken system, and it is broken, is throwing money at Hillary Rodham Clinton.


The hedge fund managers, the Wall Street investors, the professional political class, it`s the powerful protecting only the powerful, they don`t care about you, believe me. Insiders fighting for insiders, but I am fighting for you. That`s what I`m doing.



When we talk about the insider, who are we talking about? It`s the comfortable politicians looking out for their own interests.

It`s the lobbyists who know how to insert that perfect loophole into every single bill and get richer and richer and richer at your expense.

It`s the financial industry that knows how to regulate their competition right out of existence so there is no competition.

The insiders also include the media executives, anchors and journalists in Washington, Los Angeles and New York City who are part of the same failed status quo and want nothing to change.

They don`t want it to change, they like it just fine the way it is now. Every day, you pick up a newspaper or turn on the nightly news, and you hear about some self-interest banker or some self-discredited Washington insider, say they oppose Donald Trump`s campaign.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is true, yes!

TRUMP: But you don`t oppose it, that I can tell you. You don`t oppose it.


AUDIENCE: We want Trump! We want Trump! We want --

TRUMP: Thank you.

AUDIENCE: Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump! We want Trump!

TRUMP: Thank you --

AUDIENCE: We want Trump! We want Trump!

TRUMP: Thank you very much, great honor, it`s a great honor. And you have three times as many people standing outside trying to get in, so, I just want to tell you, thank you.


Amazing. Or some entrusted old politician says they oppose our campaign or some big-time lobbyists says they oppose the campaign of Trump. I wear their opposition as a badge of honor.


Because it means I am fighting for real change, not just partisan change where everybody else gets rich, but you.

A rigged system, remember it, I said it first, I`ll probably be saying it for a long time, but eventually we`re going to break that system.


I am fighting, all of us across the country are fighting for peaceful regime change in our own country. The media donor, political complex that`s bled this country dry has to be replaced with a new government of, by and for the people.

AUDIENCE: The people!



The leadership class in Washington D.C., of which Hillary Clinton has been a member for 30 years has abandoned the people of this country. They care about themselves, they only care about themselves.

I am going to give the people their voice back.


Think about it. The people opposing our campaign are the same people who have left our border open and let innocent people suffer as a result, including vast amounts of crime, vast amounts of drugs pouring into our country and poisoning our youth and our people.

The people opposing our campaign are the same people who have led us into one disastrous foreign war after another, one after another.

No wins, no victory, no nothing. The people opposing our campaign are the same people who lied to us about one trade deal after another.

They keep getting worse. Aren`t you tired of a system that gets rich at your expense because that`s what`s happening.

Aren`t you tired of big media, big businesses and big donors rigging the system to keep your voice from being heard?

Are you ready for change?


TRUMP: Are you ready for leadership that puts you, the American people first, together, first?


TRUMP: That puts our country first, America first, remember that. America first! America first! America first!

AUDIENCE: America first! America first! America first! America first!

TRUMP: Let`s talk about what this means for the inner cities of America -- a big problem, unsolved forever. It`s time to break through the television noise, the entrenched interests which are just decimating our country and our inner cities.

I understand that a lot of powerful people are in our political system. A lot of people who`ve created our problems will lose a lot of their contracts and a lot of their money if African-American voters and all the minority voters support my campaign.

That I know, that I know for sure. It`s time to stop making the special interests rich. It`s time to make the American people much richer than they`ve ever been before.


I`m going to make America wealthy again, we have to make America wealthy again if we`re going to do what we want to do, we have to be smart. We have to make America wealthy again.

The Democratic Party has run nearly every inner city in this country for 50 years and run them into financial ruin, virtually every single one. They`ve ruined the schools. They`ve driven out the jobs. They`ve tolerated a level of crime no Americans could consider acceptable, so bad that people don`t want to even report on it, the real numbers are beyond belief.

Violent crime has risen 17 percent in America`s 50 largest cities last year. Killings of police officers this year is up nearly 50 percent. Homicides are up more than 60 percent in Baltimore alone. They`re up more than 50 percent in Washington, D.C. This is the future offered by the policies of Hillary Clinton and her friends, more poverty, more crime and basically just more of the same.


The future she offers is the most pessimistic thing I could possibly imagine. It`s time for a different future.

Here is what I`m proposing: first on immigration. No community in this country has been hurt worse by Hillary Clinton`s immigration and all of her policies than the African-American community. And she considers them a guaranteed vote.

Now, she is proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody`s job, including low-income African-Americans -- not right, not going to happen.

I will secure our border, protect our workers and improve our jobs and wages in your community. We`re going to improve our wages. We`re going to improve our jobs. And we`re not going to let companies leave our country so quickly and so easily for other lands and then take their products and sell it to us, not going to happen.


We will only invite people to join our country, who share our tolerant values, who support our Constitution and who love all of our people, they love our people. They have to love our country or what are we doing?


On trade, I`m going to renegotiate NAFTA, one of the worst trade deals ever signed in the history of our country, perhaps ever signed in the history, frankly, of the world. We`re going to stand up to China, withdraw from TPP, which is another disaster, and protect every last American job. We are going to protect every last American job, which we`re not doing now.


On taxes, I`m going to give a massive tax cut to every worker in small business in this country, bring thousands of new companies and millions of new jobs on to our shores and make it very difficult for our businesses to leave. It will be a costly proposition for them to fire everybody and leave.


I`m going to reform our regulations so jobs stay in America and new businesses come to America to hire workers even right here in Milwaukee.


Every policy, my opponent has sends jobs out of the country and overseas. I`m going to bring trillions and new wealth back into the United States. Our education, believe me, you look at our education. It`s time to have school choice, merit pay for teachers and to end the ten-year policies that hurt good teachers and reward bad teachers.


There`s no job more important than a good teacher, please remember that, there`s no job more important. We are going to put students and parents first. Hillary Clinton would rather deny opportunities to millions of young African-American children just so she can carry favor with the education bureaucracy, which is very big and a lot of votes.

I am going to allow charter schools to thrive and help young kids get on the American ladder of success, a good education and a good paying job. That`s what they want.


On crime, I am going to support more police in our communities, appoint the best prosecutors and judges in the country, pursue strong enforcement of federal laws and I`m going to break up the gangs, the cartels, and the criminal syndicates terrorizing our neighborhood all over the country, and that includes Milwaukee.


To every lawbreaker hurting innocent people in this country I say, you`re free rein will soon come crashing to an end.


On health care, we`re going to get rid of Obama care, repeal it and replace it.


It`s caused soaring double digit premium increases and we`re going to give choice to patients and to consumers across our land.

Aetna just today announced that they`re dropping out as are many of the major insurance companies. Obamacare is a disaster. It`s a disaster.

On government corruption, I`m going to restore honor to our government. We`ve seen the corruption of Hillary Clinton, the mass e-mail -- look at what`s going on, folks. Look at what`s going on.

The mass e-mail deletions, have you seen the 33,000 deletions?

The pay-for-play at the State Department, the profiteering, the favors given to foreign corporations at your expense and taxpayers` expense and it`s not acceptable any longer, it`s corrupt.

We`ve seen a former secretary of state lie to Congress about her illegal email scheme, risk innocent American lives and bring dishonor onto of our government, great, great dishonor.

In my administration, I`m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. Those laws are already protected, we thought, but perhaps everybody is wrong, perhaps all of those that have served jail time were wrong.

She got special favors and nobody has ever seen anything like it in the history of our country.

No one will be above the law. I am going to forbid senior officials from trading favors for cash by preventing them from collecting lavish speaking fees through their spouses when they serve.


I am going to ask my senior officials to sign an agreement not to except speaking fees from corporations where the registered lobbyist for five years after leaving office or from any entity tied to a foreign government. What`s happening is disgraceful.


This is all just the beginning. We`re going to make this a government of the people once again. This is our chance. This is it. This is it, your last chance.

This is our chance to take back power from all the people who have taken it from you over so many years. The reason you see the establishment and the establishment media lining up behind my opponent is because they are scared that you with your vote can take away their power and return it to your family and to your community.


And they are scared and they have no idea how many people on November 8th are going to come out and vote.



Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

These are tough times, but I know we can make America greater than ever before. I have absolutely no doubt. I have gotten to know the people of this country and I`ll tell you, there are no people like the people I have gotten to know, no people.


To do this, we are going to need a fighter in the White House. I will be your fighter, believe me, I will be your fighter.


To defeat crime and radical Islamic terrorism, to win trade in our country, you need tremendous, physical and mental strength and stamina. Hillary Clinton doesn`t have that strength or stamina. Believe me, you know it, and they know it, and everybody knows it.


She cannot win for you. Most importantly, she has very, very bad judgment -- bad judgment on terrorism, bad judgment on foreign policy, bad judgment on trade.

The only individuals she`s ever delivered for are her donors, not the people, just the donors.

I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again, my opponent asks her supporters to recite a three-word pledge. Her pledge reads, "I`m with her."


I choose to recite a totally different pledge. My pledge reads, "I`m with you, the American people."



I will fight to ensure that every American is treated equally, protected equally and honored equally. We will reject bigotry and hatred and oppression in all of its many ugly forums and seek a new future of security, prosperity and opportunity -- a future built on our common culture and values as one American people.

I am asking for your vote on November 8th so I can be your champion in the White House. OK?

I will be your champion. I will be your voice in the White House. We will bring it back.

We will once again be a country of law and order. And we will once again be a country of great and unchallenged success.

To every parent who dreams for their children and every child who dreams for their future, I say these words to you tonight -- I`m with you. I will fight for you and I will win for you.


Together, we will make America strong again. We will make America safe again. And we will make America great again, greater than ever before.

Thank you and God bless you. Thank you. Thank you.


LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC ANCHOR: That`s Donald Trump finishing what turned out to be a 35-minute speech. It was billed as a speech about the subject of law and order. That was the campaign`s definition of what the speech will be about. It appeared to have about eight minutes of material focused on -- in some sense, on law and order, and then it went back to Trump` campaign speech, stump speech, elements we`ve heard many times, immigration, trade policy, education policy.

You got into the teacher tenure in a speech that was supposed to be about law and order.

We`re joined now by Mark Thompson, he`s the host of "Make It Plain", which airs on Sirius XM. He`s here along with Charlie Sykes, Rick Wilson and E.J. Dionne.

Mark, one of the things that Donald Trump concentrated on repeatedly was the African-American vote saying that, in effect, African-Americans have been duped for more than 60 years now in votes for Democrats.

And the latest NBC News, Wall Street poll of African-American voters, shows that Donald Trump is beating Gary Johnson by one point. Gary Johnson has zero support in the poll of African-American voters. Donald Trump has 1 percent. Hillary Clinton has 86 percent. Jill Stein has 4 percent.

What was your reaction to what was he saying there about how the Democratic Party has duped African-Americans into voting for him?

MARK THOMPSON, MAKE IT PLAIN: Thanks, first of all, for having me on live.

If I had not seen it and you would have asked me what did he say and I could have told you. That is the cliche of cliches. Republicans have been saying that for 60 years, that African-Americans have been duped and one- sided, but Republican Party has done very little to appeal to African- Americans.

And for Trump himself to say that in front of the majority white audience. Now, if he was concerned about African-Americans, why wouldn`t he go into Milwaukee and try to show some concern for the people who are there? Instead, he goes to an all-white audience in West Bend, he talks about --

O`DONNELL: It`s about an hour away from Milwaukee.

THOMPSON: Yes, it was close enough, he could have gone.


THOMPSON: He goes to West Bend, he refers to African-Americans as looters, he makes their generalization, and still tries to ask for our vote at the same time.

Hillary Clinton has 86 percent of the African-American Trump, because we know Trump. We have history with him which from his discrimination, which was cited by the Department of Justice, by his calls and his attacks on the Central Park Five. He is running a racist campaign, and quite frankly, it`s probably high tide that we have suspicion that Donald Trump is a racist himself.

This after all, this is the man who questioned President Obama`s citizenship. And not only has he attacked African members, he`s attacked other groups as well. The Khan family, Latinos, Jews, so it`s really incredible. If he were concerned about African-Americans, he would not have gone to Milwaukee and he would have accepted the invitation of the NAACP to come and speak in their convention as all presidential candidates traditionally do.

O`DONNELL: E.J. Dionne, he couldn`t bring himself to tell the truth about where he was. He said repeatedly in the speech, right here in Milwaukee.

E.J. DIONNE, THE WASHINGTON POST: Yes, I was really struck by exactly the same thing. West Bend is a town that`s one percent African-American, and yet, here he is giving this pitch. At least in theory, this pitch for the African-American vote.

It`s interesting. There was a piece in the "New York Times" I think yesterday where Republicans had done out reach for Republicans to the African-American said, you have to do the bare minimum and he`s not even doing that, Donald Trump.

And so, I guess, that`s what he thought. He thought was doing -- but he probably was doing something else which is, when was giving a classic pro- police law and order pitch often compared to Richard Nixon, very much a Roger Ailes kind of pitch and by casting it in terms that`s it appealing to the African-American vote. He`s trying to protect himself from charges saying he`s really appealing to a backlash vote.

So, he`s either trying to double that one percent he`s gotten in the polls, or he`s using this as cover.

O`DONNELL: Rick Wilson, he couldn`t bring himself to refer to what`s coming up as a presidential election, what he called for, and I haven`t heard this in Republican boilerplate before, what he called for was, quote, "peaceful regime change".

RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: You know, he has great affinity for dictators and a great affinity for authoritarians. And I think people ought to look at that as a red flag and he looks at his election, because he`s trying to rev his people up saying the election is going to be rigged and stolen. He wants to make this predicated about the evil establishment that`s all out to get him.

And he`s trying to get his folks in a frame of mind where they look at this thing as something that`s been stolen from them and he wants them out on the streets, you know, doing the same kind of things he`s decrying tonight. And, look, he`s the guy who`s divided the country from the very beginning of this campaign and that`s no different.

He`s starting to call this regime change is delegitimizing the democratic process that we`re engaged in right now. And that`s classic Trump. He doesn`t have an affinity for the Constitution, or for the republic, or for the democratic process in any way. He would love to be crowned, he would love to have the crown set on his head on a thrown in Washington, because that`s what he sees himself.

O`DONNELL: Charlie Sykes, your reaction to the speech and how it will play out there in your state of Wisconsin?

WILSON: I may have a slightly different perspective, because, you know, I`m right here. My wife`s family is from West Bend. They spend a lot of time there. I`m in Milwaukee right now. It is, obviously, that he would give that speech.

Let`s give him a little bit of credit, that somebody wrote him a speech that had some outreach to the African-American community and you ought to give him some credit for that. However, having said that, I`m guessing that African-Americans in Milwaukee will look at that speech and ask them, why did you give that in West Bend? Which is a great town, but it`s 1 percent white, 1 percent African-American.

And secondly, where`s the substance? There`s some things in that speech that sound critique of problems in Milwaukee, and I kept waiting for, was there an idea, was there a solution, was there a proposal, anything?

In fact, you know, when he started that eight minutes on law and order, given what`s happened in Milwaukee, my reaction was that`s going to play well with the southeastern Wisconsin conservative base. He was hitting all the right notes. Somebody had prepped him well, somebody had given him some information and I was waiting for, and therefore I`m going to do what and there was nothing.

So he had -- he scored some points I think here in southeastern Wisconsin, you know, with the conservative base. But in terms of the African-American vote, I mean, the fact that he`s sort of reading this and he`s going through the motions, people have been paying attention. They`ve been watching. Voters in Wisconsin are very, very savvy.

And I think they`re going to look away and say what we`ve got some rhetoric, some words, but nothing much behind those words.

O`DONNELL: Well, when you watch a each with something like this and you actually give credits while it`s going on who Republican speechwriters who wrote some of those before including Giuliani`s speech so forth, so I had that advantage as we were listening.

Mark Thompson, thank you very much for joining us tonight. We`re going to take a break. We`ll be right back.



TRUMP: I`m fighting all of us -- all of us across the country are fighting for peaceful regime change in our own country. The media donor political complex that`s bled this country dry has to be replaced with a new government of, by and for the people.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now for an exclusive interview is Garry Kasparov. He`s a former world chess champion and the chairman of the Human Rights Foundation. He`s the author of "Winter is Coming".

Garry, I was thinking of you. I know you`re watching it. You`re scheduled to talk about Paul Manafort and all that money in Ukraine and what`s going on with those ledgers. When I heard Donald Trump say what we`re hoping for is peaceful regime change in a country where that has never been an issue and we don`t call presidencies regimes.

What was your reaction to that?

GARRY KASPAROV, CHMN, HUMAN RIGHTS FOUNDATION: I`m a little surprised. Trump keeps blasting Washington insiders. It seems to me he wants to replace Washington insiders with Kremlin insiders. I don`t want to interfere with, you know, is domestic debate when I look at his suggestions for foreign policy, you know, and his affinity to dictators like Putin or Chinese regime, I have no doubt that the man has no respect for the republic and republic`s foundation.

O`DONNELL: And given what we now know about this report of ledger being found with $12.7 million assigned to the name of Paul Manafort and that`s in cash. As you read those stories and the evidence as it unfolds, does that sound like, whether Manafort actually got this money or not, does that sound like they were doing business in your place of Ukraine at the time?

KASPAROV: If you call it business, yes that is typical for Ukraine, for Russia. This is the way Putin`s cronies have been offering. They have no respect for the law. They believe if you`re win, you`re strong. If you`re strong, you`re right. That`s the way, you know, dictators think.

And Trump keeps talking about extreme vetting, and my question is, how about vetting your on own campaign manager. And I don`t know what is worse, Trump failing to Manafort, or he knew that he was in Kremlin`s payroll and didn`t care.

O`DONNELL: Yes, it`s -- given what we now know and what was obvious about Paul Manafort before he joined the Trump campaign, it`s kind of hard to believe that Donald Trump wouldn`t have known something about what Paul Manafort had been doing in Ukraine.

KASPAROV: We heard Trump`s recommendation for foreign policy and that`s much in line with Putin`s agenda. Trump is looking at sort of grand bargain with Russia, with China. He wants to turn back to a time when big power is decided for smaller countries and Trump wants to ignore all international agreements and arrangements made since Harry Truman.

O`DONNELL: E.J. Dionne, this speech, tonight, was dubbed "law and order speech", an echo of Richard Nixon, and there are reports that Roger Ailes is now consulting or offering some advice to the Trump campaign. And Roger Ailes` experience in American politics goes all the way back to the era of Richard Nixon.

DIONNE: I was feeling Roger Ailes at a lot of points in that speech. There was a really harsh line, "my opponent would rather protect the offender than the victim", and Roger Ailes has played this not only for Richard Nixon but go back to the Willie Horton campaign that he ran for George H.W. Bush against Michael Dukakis. That was very much a campaign where crime was used.

And again, it`s -- he talked about African-Americans, but it`s a pitch that`s usually used to get white working class voters and white voters generally. So, yes, I really felt the spirit of Ailes tonight.

O`DONNELL: And, Rick Wilson, Nixon was subtle compared to Donald Trump. He said tonight, Hillary Clinton is against the police, even Nixon would not have gone to that line.

WILSON: Well, Donald Trump he`s not known for his subtlety and that`s partly he doesn`t have the intellectual capacity to do subtlety and to do subtle messaging. And secondly, because he does recognize, good con man does, that his audience wants to hear that just read me all the time. They want a pure diet of Donald Trump, I mean, for them, Rush Limbaugh is too much of a soft accommodationist. They want the pure Trump all the time. So what in their minds if it`s an ever declining circle, smaller and smaller number of white working class voters?

O`DONNELL: Rick, we have a point of disagreement. I don`t think he`s a good con man. I think he`s a bad and obvious con man, and he gets caught every day.

Rick Wilson, Charlie Sykes, Gary Kasparov, thank you very much. E.J. Dionne, thank you for joining us and staying through that speech. Really appreciate it.

DIONNE: Good to be with you.

O`DONNELL: MSNBC`s live coverage continues now with Ari Melber -- Ari.