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The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 11/25/15

Guests: Jonathan Alter, Michael Steele, Chris Whipple, Jesse Jackson, CraigFutterman, Laura Haim

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s very good. RONALD REAGAN, LATE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Charlie, its future, I would have pardoned him. (LAUGHTER) (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, do you intend to pardon them on Thanksgiving Day? REAGAN: Him? (LAUGHTER) (END VIDEO CLIP) RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: It was Reagan. President Ronald Reagan avoiding talking about the Iran contra mess, makes a joke about a Thanksgiving presidential pardon for a turkey that`s going to live anyway. And that tape confirms the actual origins of the presidential turkey pardon, and I know, I`m sorry, you are sick of hearing about it. But tell me that wasn`t the best new thing in the world. Tell me that wasn`t it! Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, that does it for us tonight, we`ll see you again very soon, now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell. Good evening, Lawrence. LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: Rachel, you`re so wrong, we`re not sick of hearing about it. You could -- (LAUGHTER) If you need another five minutes, that was fantastic. That was great -- MADDOW: The Iran contra scandal -- O`DONNELL: Yes -- MADDOW: Gave birth to the turkey pardoning thing. I know -- O`DONNELL: The question couldn`t have been more relevant. MADDOW: Happy Thanksgiving Lawrence, thanks for -- O`DONNELL: Thank you Rachel. MADDOW: Thanks -- O`DONNELL: Jesse Jackson will join us from Chicago to discuss the murder case against a Chicago police officer. But first, Ohio Governor John Kasich`s now long-shot campaign for president has officially become the anti-Trump campaign. With this new ad targeting the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would like anyone who is listening to consider some thoughts that I paraphrased from the words of German Pastor Martin Niemoller. "You might not care if Donald Trump says Muslims must register with their government because you`re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump says he`s going to round up all the Hispanic immigrants because you`re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump says it`s OK to rough up black protesters because you`re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump wants to suppress journalists because you`re not one. But think about this. If he keeps going, and he actually becomes president, he might just get around to you, and you better hope that there`s someone left to help you. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: The video comes one day after a pro Kasich Super PAC released an ad in Ohio and New Hampshire mocking Donald Trump. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He`s not a war hero -- FRANK LUNTZ, POLITICAL CONSULTANT: He`s a war hero -- TRUMP: He is a war hero -- LUNTZ: Five and a half years in the -- TRUMP: He`s a war hero because -- LUNTZ: Yes -- TRUMP: He was captured. If Ivanka wasn`t my daughter, perhaps I`ll be dating her. (LAUGHTER) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop it -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my God -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So weird. TRUMP: I have a great relationship with the blacks. I have -- I`ve always had a great relationship with the blacks -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The blacks -- TRUMP: Well, I just don`t respect her as a journalist. You know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her - - wherever. Somebody`s doing the raping, Don. I mean, you know, what, it`s -- I mean, somebody`s doing the -- just women being raped. Well, who`s doing the raping? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The belt moves this way, it moves this way. TRUMP: How stupid are the people of Iowa? (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: And the "Wall Street Journal" reported last week that a group called Trump Card LLC is attempting to unite donors from rival camps to launch a campaign against Donald Trump. Joining us now, Michael Steele, former Republican Party chairman and an Msnbc political analyst and Jonathan Alter, Msnbc political analyst and columnist for "The Daily Beast". Max Boot has tweeted -- Max Boot is a conservative member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He`s tweeted, "Trump is a fascist and that`s not a term I use loosely or often, but he`s earned it." Jonathan Alter, the attacks finally coming at Donald Trump. JONATHAN ALTER, COLUMNIST, DAILY BEAST: Yes, I think, you know, we`ve all been predicting that he was going to deflate like a Macy`s day balloon, you know, after Thanksgiving. They can now actually might start happening. There`s quite a bit of time between now and when these caucuses and primaries get going and plenty of time for him to deflate. And I think you`ll see him beginning to deflate in December and then by the time the Iowa caucuses come around, I`d be real surprised if he`s still the frontrunner. Stranger things have happened, and he`s defied all the pundits until now. But one thing that`s important to understand is that, he`s under the mistaken impression that these poll numbers are what determines who wins. O`DONNELL: Yes -- ALTER: And we covered it -- you and I have covered -- O`DONNELL: Yes -- ALTER: These caucuses in particular for many years, it`s organization that determines it. I haven`t seen a lot of signs that he`s got a great ground game going in Iowa to bring all these people to the polls, to the caucuses. They have to spend two hours there. And that`s something that Ted Cruz and other candidates are much better set up to do right now in Iowa. O`DONNELL: Yes, and he seems to think that 30 percent of the Republican vote wins the presidency. And Michael Steele, as we know, 30 percent is less -- that number is less than 15 percent of the general population of voters. What about these ads, Michael? Do you think they will be effective at this point in shaking that 30 percent of Republican voters who are currently attached to Trump? MICHAEL STEELE, FORMER CHAIRMAN, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: No, I don`t think it will shake or move that 30 percent that`s attached to him. What it will do for the remaining 70 percent is to begin to coalesce and think well clearly about who they think can appropriately challenge him. And quite honestly, Lawrence, whether the -- you know, the flashback, the throwback, the crashing, the screaming and yelling that comes from Donald Trump once that happens. And so, I know a number of the campaigns have been talking about coordinating some of their efforts in that regard. There are Super PACs that are talking to Super PACs about opportunities to sort of pincher move on Donald Trump. All of this in a concerted effort, to Jonathan`s point, is leading up to that window in January where folks begin to really settle down and they do not want Donald Trump in a position, in a poll position quite honestly going into Iowa, New Hampshire in the first couple of weeks of February. Because if he does, if he`s apt to come in, you know, even if he doesn`t win Iowa, if he comes in second or third, he has enough momentum with him relative to everyone else that that could really propel him down the road much further than folks want him to be. O`DONNELL: Robert Costa reporting in "The Washington Post" that party`s donors are just sitting on the sidelines on this. "Many of the party`s financiers and top strategists are sitting on the sidelines. Many are reluctant to spend money against Trump after watching others fumble as they try to handle his counter punches. Others citing past elections remain confident that the race will eventually pivot away from him early next year." Michael Steele, where do they get that confidence that this will pivot? (LAUGHTER) I mean -- and what about -- what about them sitting -- STEELE: I`m laughing, that should tell you how confident they should be, right? -- O`DONNELL: What about them sitting on the sidelines? I mean, I thought this was one of the functions of Super PACs, is that, they can take actions -- STEELE: Yes -- O`DONNELL: Against a candidate that a campaign for candidate would have trouble doing, taking those actions directly against another candidate. STEELE: And that`s absolutely right, and that`s exactly the point that was made in Robert`s piece -- is, you know, suddenly, is that the campaign is not going to spend their hard dollars. That means the dollars they get directly from donors on going after Donald Trump. That is -- that is a full (INAUDIBLE) and there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. In fact, that`s what the Super PACs are there for, they can go up on TV, they can go into print, they can hit the internet in a way that the campaigns don`t want to -- not that they can`t. But they don`t want to because that`s dollars directly out from their bottom line. So, you won`t see that. As I said before, there are some efforts to sort of not coordinate, but you know, are you doing something? Are you doing something? To see who is out there to respond to Donald Trump, but it will not be coming from the campaigns directly. O`DONNELL: All right, let`s listen to what I think is Donald Trump`s biggest lie and the one that is probably going to cost him more trouble than any other lie he`s told. And that was the one he told Saturday night in Alabama about seeing thousands of people doing something that they did not do and that he did not see. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey city, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: "The Washington Post" editorialized that that was a lie, they used the word lie finally, and the "New York Times" called it a lie. And Jonathan Alter, the "New York Times" issued this challenge to the media. "History teaches that failing to hold a demagogue to account is a dangerous act. It is no easy task for journalists to interrupt Mr. Trump with the facts, but it`s an important one." And as we`ve seen, and I mentioned this last night, that the way these TV interviews work for Trump is that he says something insane and false like that. The interviewer then does not say that`s a lie and stop the interview -- ALTER: Right -- O`DONNELL: Over the lie. The interviewer says, in this case George Stephanopoulos Sunday morning, the police reports don`t corroborate. That`s the best he can do. Because up until now, that has been the polite liturgy of Sunday morning on political chat. You don`t sit there -- ALTER: Right -- O`DONNELL: And call the liar a liar. You have to find more subtle language. Have we reached the point where we have a candidate who is such a wild and uncontrollable liar that he is using the rules of Sunday morning TV against the hosts and basically trapping them in their inability to call him a liar. ALTER: Yes, so, the big problem has been that, that Trump has been great for ratings. O`DONNELL: Yes. ALTER: So none of these hosts want to alienate him, they`re fearful that he won`t come back on their show -- O`DONNELL: And he won`t -- ALTER: He won`t -- O`DONNELL: If you call him a liar, he will -- ALTER: So -- O`DONNELL: Never come back -- ALTER: That`s right -- O`DONNELL: They all won`t -- ALTER: So, they have to decide, it`s a moment of truth for journalists. They have to decide what`s more important, preventing a demagogue, a racist, a liar from being potentially the Republican nominee for president, or maintaining the ratings and their access to this demagogue and liar. So this is where real principle comes in. And it`s extremely important that journalists do their job. They haven`t been doing it, not only on that case, but you know, when he talks about deporting 11 million people, that requires a police state to do what his policy calls for. You have to go door to door and grab people in the night the way they do in police states. No, I haven`t seen any reporter really pressing him on that. They tend to back off, they don`t follow up, he`s very intimidating, other candidates have found this. So, the -- it`s also incumbent on the other candidates to do this. They have to show in their own political interests who is the alpha male. Is it going to continue to be Trump? If it is, then he will win the nomination. Somebody, and maybe it`s John Kasich or somebody else has to figure out a way to push him off the top of the hill. That person will likely be the nominee. The fact that nobody is willing to do this right now doesn`t speak very well of those candidates. O`DONNELL: Michael Steele -- ALTER: Right -- O`DONNELL: The thing that the "New York Times" is urging, which is basically for the interviewers to interrupt him when he lies and call it a lie the way the "New York Times" has, that is ugly TV. I`ve -- STEELE: Yes -- O`DONNELL: Had my moments of it, I hate it when you get into that kind of shouting match with the guest when something -- it goes out of control. It is ugly to watch, and so -- STEELE: Yes -- O`DONNELL: I understand everyone`s aversion to it. But it seems to me that the TV interview, that Trump TV interview now has become a forum in which he exploits the rules and the rules of politeness and very much exploits that desire to have him come back on the show. STEELE: I think you`re absolutely right there. And I think there`s also the difference that he`s taking advantage of between network television and cable television. Which is much more of the wild west, if you will, the way hosts like yourself and others really don`t -- you`re not, you know, your first thrust is not ratings. Your first thrust is the interview, it is actually getting to the nub of the conversation where there are all these other considerations that come into play. And once the guest knows that, they do have a tendency and ways to take advantage of that. And I think you`ve seen that played out with Donald Trump in dealing with the networks, the Nbc`s and the "Abc`s" and "Cbs`". Less so on cable, if you -- if you watch his, you know, his, you know, feelings with Fox for example, there is that -- he`ll push but not -- but so far because he knows that audience is an audience he ultimately needs and cannot tolerate that audience being, but so mad at him. So, he does know how to go a little bit easy. I`ll apologize to Megyn Kelly or whatever. O`DONNELL: Yes, but never do Megyn Kelly show because he`s afraid about how tough those -- STEELE: That`s right -- O`DONNELL: Questions will be. Mike Steele and Jonathan Alter, thank you very much for joining us tonight, have a happy day tomorrow, happy Thanksgiving -- STEELE: Happy Thanksgiving, man -- O`DONNELL: Thank you. Coming up, Jesse Jackson joins us to discuss the murder charge brought against a Chicago police officer and all 12 CIA directors, those who are still living are participating in a documentary that airs this Saturday on "Showtime". The man who put that project together will join us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN & TELEVISION HOST: I want to take this time to mention something I`m thankful for -- Donald Trump. (LAUGHTER) TRUMP: I was the one that predicted Osama Bin Laden was trouble -- did you read the book? It says Osama Bin Laden! COLBERT: Yes, Trump predicted that Osama Bin Laden was threatening America all the way back in the year 2000, the same year Bin Laden was linked to the bombing of the USS Cole. And only two years after Bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya, and only seven years after Bin Laden was implicated in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. That`s spooky. It`s like Trump has some kind of fifth sense that lets him see what`s in newspapers and on TVs. (LAUGHTER) (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Up next, there are 12 former directors of the CIA, 12 who are still alive, still with us and they all have something to say about America`s war on terror, that`s next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: President Obama met with his national security team at the White House this morning, after the meeting, the President said this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Right now, we know of no specific and credible intelligence indicating a plot on the homeland. So, the bottom line is this, I want the American people to know entering the holidays, that the combined resources of our military, our intelligence and our homeland security agencies are on the case. They`re vigilant, relentless and effective. In the event of a specific credible threat, the public will be informed. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: A new documentary takes a look inside the war on terror, including a look back. "The Spymasters - CIA in the Crosshairs" premiers Saturday at 9:00 p.m. Eastern on "Showtime". The film includes interviews with all 12 living directors of the CIA. Joining us now is the executive producer and the writer of the "Spymaster", Chris Whipple. Chris, what was your biggest discovery in the course of doing this documentary? Surely, you went in with a set of expectations, a lot of surprises, a lot of confirmations of what you already thought. What was the biggest surprise? CHRIS WHIPPLE, WRITER & EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, THE SPYMASTERS: It`s -- you know, it`s hard to choose. A lot of surprises. One of the -- one of the stunning things I think that we`ve discovered is the extent to which every CIA director makes life and death decisions on the job. I think it was a huge surprise to Leon Panetta, who had been around, he`s been White House Chief of Staff, Congressman. He had no idea that he was going to become a kind of a battlefield commander. He tells -- O`DONNELL: But what is an example of a -- I think of the CIA director as somebody who basically goes to the White House and reports, here`s what we know, decisions, tactical decisions are made by people other than the CIA director. WHIPPLE: Not true. O`DONNELL: OK -- WHIPPLE: Here`s a perfect example, and it`s a riveting story that Leon Panetta tells moment by moment. He is at the funeral for one of his CIA officers in Arlington cemetery when he gets word that they`re having a crosshairs of a drone over Pakistan. A major terrorist who was responsible for the suicide bombing at host, killing seven CIA officers. Panetta calls the White House, they have a conversation, and as Panetta puts it, the problem was we had women and children in the shot. O`DONNELL: Yes -- WHIPPLE: Ordinarily, when you have women and children in the shot, you don`t do it. The White House said to Leon, this one is on you, Leon. He said great, you know -- O`DONNELL: They hand-back the decision to him -- WHIPPLE: They said, as Leon put it to us, they said this one -- this one - - you`re going to have to make a judgment here, Leon. He goes, great. I`m going to have to be -- I`m the one who is saying the hail Marys here. Panetta, devout Catholic, fingering his rosary beads, saying his hail Marys, makes that decision to take the strike and take out this terrorist, knowing that women and children were in the shot. O`DONNELL: And did that -- what did they get as the result? What was the after report on -- WHIPPLE: The after report is classified and you know, as you know, the very existence of the lethal drone program has never been acknowledged by the CIA. Panetta did tell us that they got the terrorists, this was a very bad guy, but that there was collateral damage. O`DONNELL: Yes, and so -- and he knew he was going to take that on. What -- the CIA, our intelligence apparatus in general has missed some of the biggest things that have happened on their watch. They did not predict the collapse of the Soviet Union. They never went to the President and said hey, we can track it, four years from now, the whole thing is going to collapse. Or ten years from now or four months from now. They missed the Islamic bomb. They missed Pakistan getting a nuclear weapon. Basically, they read it in the paper. These are probably the two biggest things to happen on their watch. WHIPPLE: And they completely -- they completely blew it on weapons of mass destruction -- O`DONNELL: Yes, I beg -- yes, sorry to leave that out, yes -- WHIPPLE: Right -- O`DONNELL: Yes -- WHIPPLE: Two pairs of -- O`DONNELL: Creating yet what may be our most misguided war. Certainly the most misguided war of the 21st century. WHIPPLE: There`s an existential struggle going on within the CIA right now over the mission of CIA. Bob Gates would say, for example, that if you allow yourself -- if you allow the agency to become seduced by covert paramilitary operations, and it`s never been as paramilitary in its history as it is now. You pay a price for that. And the price that you pay for that is in your analysis. Gates says imagine how different history would be if we hadn`t gone into Iraq. We missed completely the North Koreans building that reactor in Syria. The Israelis had to tell us about that. That stuff we used to be good at. So, you can pay a price when you -- when you focus too much on -- O`DONNELL: If -- I`ve met some of them, talked to some of them, very impressive, some of them are not very impressive. But if you could pick one of these 12 to go back in there today and do the job, who would you pick? WHIPPLE: Wow, that`s a great -- O`DONNELL: Who impressed you the most, in other words? WHIPPLE: That`s a great question. Panetta, I think he`s impressive. Let me answer it in a slightly different way. The most interesting, complicated character -- and this is a Shakespearean cast of characters -- O`DONNELL: Yes, it is -- WHIPPLE: I think it`s David Petraeus -- O`DONNELL: Yes -- WHIPPLE: George Tenet -- O`DONNELL: Yes, Michael Hayden, fascinating guy. WHIPPLE: Michael Hayden, it`s a fascinating cast of characters, and I would say that Tenet might be the most interesting because -- and the most Shakespearean -- O`DONNELL: Certainly the most troubled -- WHIPPLE: Consider what -- (CROSSTALK) You consider what -- (CROSSTALK) Happened on his watch -- O`DONNELL: Yes, he was the one with the slam dunk on weapons of mass destruction, all right. Chris Whipple, thank you very much for joining us tonight, I really appreciate it. The documentary is the "Spymasters" and it premiers this Saturday on "Showtime". Coming up, Laura Haim has been a critical part of our coverage of the attacks in Paris. She`s here in New York City tonight, she will join us on set, a rare onset appearance for Laura. She will get tonight`s last word. But first, the protest in Chicago after the release of the video showing 17-year-old Laquan McDonald being shot and in the view of the prosecutors, murdered by a Chicago police officer. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: We`ve just obtained new video tonight showing Laquan McDonald just moments before he was shot and killed by a Chicago police officer. The new video shows Laquan McDonald passing a Burger King just before officer Jason Van Dyke started firing at him. Tonight, a second night of protest is underway in Chicago after police released that dash cam footage yesterday, showing what prosecutors are calling the murder of the 17-year-old Laquan McDonald by Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke. Hours before the release of that tape, officer Van Dyke was arrested and charged with first-degree murder. The video of the shooting, the dash cam video is graphic, we showed it to you last night that morning. It shows Laquan McDonald, holding a knife, was a three-inch blade as he`s walking in the middle of the road and veering away from police officers. There he is, veering away from them as they step toward him. Officer Van Dyke then emptied the magazine of his semi-automatic 9 millimeter handgun, firing 16 shots. They all hit Laquan McDonald. Tonight, President Obama released this statement on Facebook. "Like many Americans, I was deeply disturbed by the footage of the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Laquan McDonald. This Thanksgiving, I asked everybody to keep those who suffered tragic loss in our thoughts and prayers and to be thankful for the overwhelming majority of men and women in uniform, who protect our communities with honor. And, I am personally grateful to the people in my hometown for keeping protests peaceful." NBC`s Stephanie Gosk joins us now from Chicago. Stephanie, what is the situation there? STEPHANIE GOSK, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Lawrence, the good news for the city of Chicago tonight is that these protests have remained small and peaceful. We were out among the protesters tonight. At the most, there were 100, 150. That group has now dwindled significantly. What was interesting about it tonight is how much leeway the police gave them. I mean, they were walking up and down Michigan avenue, the magnificent mile. They were at times shutting down some major intersections at this city during rush hour, but there was very little containment of them. And, that is in part because of the size of the group, but also you got the sense being among those officers that the idea was to keep this as non- confrontational as possible, and it certainly remained that way. But there are anticipating a much larger protest on black Friday. And, this street behind me will be filled with shoppers. The idea among protesters is to stage this larger demonstration at a time when the city will feel it most and have an economic impact, so that their voices are heard. This video was released right before the holiday. Obviously, that is going to have an impact on the people that are going to participate. People probably going home for Thanksgiving. But, there is an effort obviously to stage a larger protest on Friday. O`DONNELL: Stephanie Gosk from Chicago, Michigan Avenue. Thank you very much for joining us tonight, Stephanie. We are joined now by Reverend Jesse Jackson, Civil Rights Activist and the President and founder of the Rainbow Push Coalition. And, also with us, Craig Futterman, clinical professor of law at the University of Chicago. He argued and won the case that released that police dash cam video to the public. Reverend Jackson, I want to get your reaction to -- really a year of what you have been watching in Chicago on this from the time of this incident, which is now 13 months ago, taking over a year to get to that point yesterday, where these murder charges were filed and when the prosecutors announced the charges to support them. Publicly in her press conference, she simply cited one eyewitness and this dash cam video that we have seen. She could not have described a simpler case, a simpler murder case. And we have been left bewildered about what took 12 months for her to get to at this point. Is there any better understanding of that in Chicago tonight? REV. JESSE JACKSON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST AND FOUNDER OF THE RAINBOW PUSH COALITION: No, there is not. You know, there were 16 shots and 13 months. And, while the killing officer was a murderer and assassin, doing crime, what about the cover-up. How early was it known who all saw the tape? Clearly, if a decision was made to give a $5million hush money deal, that is very suggestive. Also, while he -- into the 16 shots, he was about to reload, and the police stopped him, secondly. So, what was in his bloodstream? What was in his mind? And, thirdly, the other police who were there, they did not stop him. They did not arrest him. And, we are finding out about them only because the lawyers for whom we share tonight have through a freedom of information act dug up the information. We would not even know tonight. And, that is why 75 percent of all these murders in Chicago are unsolved, police corruption. That is why we want the chief to go when a special prosecutor and federal oversight may put this department under a federal investigation, because it is so rife with racial injustices. 450 killings this year so far and 2,700 shootings, and no apparent relief in sight. O`DONNELL: Craig Futterman, how long did it take you from the time you filed this case to yesterday, getting the release of that video? CRAIG FUTTERMAN, CLINICAL PROFESSOR OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO: It has taken a long time, Lawrence. This fight has been long and hard, but the judge expedited this. And, expedited this as quickly as possibly reaching the spinal ruling. I mean, this is the case as the reverend said, began with the horrific murder. We have all seen the video followed by file lie, showing the lie, and then a cover-up and -- cover-up all by secrecy. So, you have then immediately after this horrific murder -- and one thing that has been left out about it that I think is really important, that the video does not completely show because there is no audio. When we talk to witnesses and we talk to at least a couple of witness, who were there and who saw this, where they say also, after he fired the first couple of shots took the boy down, he paused. There is a pause. You cannot hear that pause in the video because there is no sound. We do not know why there is no sound, because there is supposed to be sound in the video. And, then he unloads another 13 or 14 shots into the boy`s prone body, until the clip is injured. Next thing it happens is the code of silence, the lie. The lie that is told to the press. The lie that is told to the public that this boy lunged at him with a knife, shot him once -- shot him once in the chest, in self-defense, when the boy is coming after him. We know that is a lie. And, then there is silence. And, not just silence, but there were witness -- The witnesses who where there were told to get out of there. The witness -- One of the witnesses who said stop shooting refuses to leave. She is brought to the police station and she tells -- she reports that she is intimidated there and told that she did not see what she saw. And, then finally, there is a disruption of the evidence. And, so the question about this cover-up as well is, not just what is happening with this one officer, but what is going to happen to all the folks who participated in this cover-up and how far does that cover-up go? O`DONNELL: Craig, let me ask you, as a legal matter, could a cover-up have survived if you -- If you had not been able to obtained this video the way you did? Was there any other legal avenue where this video was inevitably going to have to come out? There was not a civil case because they settled the civil case without them bringing one. So, the family, normally would have subpoena power through a civil case to get it. That have already disappeared. But, in this investigation that the prosecutor was doing, would it inevitably led to the release of the video whether there were charges or not? FUTTERMAN: No. And, certainly, there were no charges brought. And, this is the real fear. So, someone within the city confidentially was so troubled by this, they came to me. And, they said, "This might gets what under rug. You need to speak out about this. You need to do something about this." And, the reality in Chicago is that, we have averaged one police shooting a week. A police officer has shot somebody one time a week, an average for the last 30 years. 75 percent of those folks are African-Americans. When I read the first press article that came out about this, my eyes glazed over it. And, that is how just immune we have become to people being shot and killed, and particularly black people being shot and killed by police in Chicago, and it is the same story. And, the story is someone came after me with a knife, feared for my life. Someone came after me with a weapon. I shot them and I shot them once. People hear that story every day. No one since 1968, not a single police officer since 1968 in Chicago has ever been criminally prosecuted when they have been on duty and shot someone. That is almost 50 years. REV, JACKSON: You know, Lawrence. FUTTERMAN: And, shootings happen one time a week. O`DONNELL: Go ahead, Rev. Jackson. REV. JACKSON: Reasonably, if I asked by the White House Conference on violence and urban policy, Chicago does not make the top ten citizens per capita in this killing. The guns and drugs and jobs out, police is overwhelming us. I mean this kid also was a ward of the state. This kid had a very tough life and was about to turn the corner. And, those police who were accomplices, as it were, who were witnesses, it is important to see what their report says. We see the leadership in Charleston, South Carolina, when nine were killed and the Governor Nikki Haley moved and the mayor of Charleston gave me the convene leadership and they went on to tear down the wall -- the confederate flag. Here, the police chief is certainly implicated and weakened -- the state`s attorney is weakened. And, there is yet no attempt to remove the wall that stand between people and justice. We really want a full scale immediate fairly -- of this police department. Out of 12,000, there may be 40 blacks in significant positions out of 12,000. O`DONNELL: Reverend Jackson, if that dash cam video had malfunctioned that night, if there was no video of this event with all your experience and all your lifetime in Chicago, knowing how things operate there, if there was no video of this event, would there be a murder charge against this officer tonight? REV. JACKSON: Probably, no charge. We really knew very little about this until it was revealed by my counterpart here and the researchers. And, if this were a quote, unquote, "Gang banger shooting another gang banger," he would have been indicted very quickly and the rest of the jail. But, the police have this way of covering for each other in ways that cover up their credibility. Can you imagine 75 percent of the murders are unsolved? You have got recycled murderers walking the streets in this city. And, downtown is able to see it as them versus us? That is why on this coming Friday, there will be a major march down Michigan Avenue saying, "It is one city with one shared obligation to resolve this crisis." O`DONNELL: Reverend Jesse Jackson and Craig Futterman, thank you both for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it. FUTTERMAN: Thank you so much, Lawrence. REV. JACKSON: Thank you. O`DONNELL: Thank you. Coming up, what was it like inside the Bataclan Theatre the moment that gun fire erupted in Paris. The band that was playing there did an exclusive interview with Vice News. We will bring you part of that interview. But, first, an NBC News investigation. We will show a dangerous security lapse at major airports in the United States. (MUSIC PLAYING) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: In the aftermath of the Paris attacks, the Belgium Government is stripping or blocking security clearances of Brussels Airport employees, who have ties to anyone, who has traveled to Syria. That is according to "The Wall Street Journal." Newspaper reports it is part of the Belgian Government`s efforts to contain a security threat posed by Islamic Extremists in that country. Now, an NBC News investigation raises questions about insider threats at American Airports. Here is NBC`s Tom Costello. (BEGIN VIDETAPE) TOM COSTELLO, NBC CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At JFK Airport today, business as usual at the employee entrance at terminal 4. Select airport workers swipe their secure electronic keys, entered a pin then walked right in. Unlike passengers and crew members, no I.D. checks, no metal detectors, no explosive scans, no bag checks. It is the same routine that was captured here on cell phone video last January. No checkpoints inside either except for the random TSA and airport police checks. Nationwide, only Miami and Orlando airports fully screen every worker every day. Surprisingly, the nation `s airports decide for themselves whether to screen employees. But, an airport police union says it is a dangerous security gap. Three years ago, it wrote the TSA, urging mandatory screening for all airport employees at the biggest airports including TSA officers. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MARSHALL MCCLAIN, LOS ANGELES AIRPORT PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION: When are we going to learn our lessons from the past? When are we going to be proactive rather than reactive? (END VIDEO CLIP) COSTELLO (voice-over): Homeland Security recently called for fewer airport access points and more random employee screening. After the Metrojet bombing in Egypt, security experts are warning against radicalized employees with access to airports and planes. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: Most airport workers who go to work every day are not screened, does that need to change? JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: We are evaluating whether more is necessary right now. That is something that I and TSA have been focused on as recently as today. (END VIDEO CLIP) COSTELLO (voice-over): The problem, many airports complain they cannot afford the manpower to screen every employee every day. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) COSTELLO (on camera): Tonight, JFK Airport terminal executives are not responding to our calls for comment, but the TSA says the airport does do background checks and does conduct random pat downs and bag checks but it is not every employee, but it is not every employee and it is not every day. Tom Costello, NBC News, Washington. (END VIDEOTAPE) O`DONNELL: Up next, members of the band that was playing at the Bataclan tell their story of what it was like during the Paris attacks. (MUSIC PLAYING) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: The band playing at the Bataclan Concert Hall where 89 people were killed during the Paris terror attacks is speaking out for the first time. Vice founder Shane Smith sat down with that band for an exclusive interview. The full interview is now available on Here they are -- here is Sean London, the sound engineer. He is talking about his encounter with one of the gunmen at the start of the attack. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEAN LONDON, SOUND ENGINEER: People started dropping to the ground, injuries, death, you know and then also running. There is nowhere to go, so they basically ran into me, towards me, and jumped down below my console. And, I was still standing up and I could see the gunman. And, he looked right at me and he shot at me, he missed. And, he hit my console and buttons went flying everywhere. Like the console caught a shot. And, that is when I went instantly down to the ground and we all just huddled. And, I think he thought I probably got hit because I went down so quickly and everybody else around was injured. There was blood all over. He stayed there and continued to shoot and shoot and slaughter and just scream at the top of his lungs Allah Akbar, and that is when I instantly knew what was going on. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: You can see Vice founder Shane Smith`s exclusive interview with the band in its entirety on Coming up, Laura Haim joins me with how the Paris attacks are affecting the next election there. (MUSIC PLAYING) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: We are looking at the live video from Chicago of a demonstration. Police have just intervened a very small group of people. There might be an arrest or two occurring there, but it is a very small group. Most of the people have walked away calmly from that location. Not a very large assembly of police officers there responding to it. Most of them on bicycles. In fact, the police officers who were there. So, there may be one or two arrests there. Nothing serious. If there is anything worth paying attention to beyond what we are seeing, we will go back to it. We will be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: And, now tonight`s LAST WORD and it will be a French last word. For all things French, we turn to Laura Haim. She is the White House Correspondent and U.S. Bureau Chief for Canal Plus. This began with the Charlie Hebdo attacks when we were looking for guests to talk about it that night about what happened. I told everyone here that I wanted to hear from as many French voices as possible and suggested finding a reporter for a French News Organization in Washington. Probably, someone assigned to cover the White House. And, so that night, Laura made her first appearance on this program, which was actually her first appearance on American cable news. And, she join us now tonight here in New York. Laura, great to see you, great to have you in the studio. LAURA HAIM, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT AND U.S. BUREAU CHIEF FOR CANAL PLUS: Merci. O`DONNELL: You are an audience favorite, and so we decided to allow the audience to ask you a few questions tonight. And, we got them on Facebook. And, one says -- first one, William Ridgeway, "How long do you expect the increased security measures to last in France?" HAIM: At least until February. O`DONNELL: Uh-huh. HAIM: Because this set of emergency is until February -- February 24th, so there is going to be a lot of delays in the airport when you are going to travel. There is going to be a lot of different measure, which are going to involve a lot of people coming to France during Christmas. We do not know what is going to happen and France is still threatened. O`DONNELL: The second question from Facebook is how is this going to affect -- let us see, Kathleen Williams, basically, wants to know how is this going to affect the elections that are coming up. And, specifically the issue of the hostility in France to immigrant groups to Muslims in particular and areas of France, how is that going to play it? HAIM: That is an excellent question. Because the next story is about the regional election. The first strongly is on December 6th, who is the far- right, Marine Le Pen. There are a lot of anti-Muslim speeches at this moment. A lot of hate. Possibly, the French President is trying to take care of that. We do not know if he is going to succeed by United Nation. People are extremely worried, and this is a test for the unity of the nation on December 6th. O`DONNELL: Does Le Pen promised more action than Hollande is already proposing? HAIM: Yes, Le Pen, he wants to build a lot of walls and Le Pen wants to reject a lot of Muslim people in our own countries. Le Pen has a very xenophobic speech. O`DONNELL: Shut off any refugees coming in? HAIM: Yes, absolutely. It is very similar to what is happening in the American Presidential election. That is why it is so interesting to compare the speeches about what is happening in France at this moment, who is the far right. What is happening in the United States, who is the Republican Party. You find a lot of similarities, a lot of semi-expressions. And I think there is going to be really interesting to see it on December 6th and then after that, it is two weeks of elections, Le Pen is sitting with her message. O`DONNELL: Now, you established in the White House Press Conference that Francois Hollande has no intention of sending in ground troops to Syria. Is there any difference between Le Pen and Hollande on the issue of how they would militarily go after the Islamic State? HAIM: Yes, absolutely. And, what is interesting about Hollande, that is why I think the question yesterday was relevant was, no ground troops. But, the Americans have troops in a way, in Syria with special forces, you know. The French do not have special forces. So, now, Marine Le Pen and a lot of French politicians on the right side want more military action. And, again, they come back to decide, yes, this is exactly similar to what is happening in the United States with the Republican Party. Francois Hollande so far is the negotiator in chief. He wants to give things. He wants to unites the nation. It is still our own nation, which is grieving. Tomorrow, people are going to bury their loved one. It is moment of unity on something, which is deeply touching about that. They want French people to put a French flag in the window. And, you know, we do not have -- us, the French, the symbolic of what you have in America with the American flag. Here in America, people -- when there is something going on, they puts the American flag. Tomorrow in France, we are going to put the French flag. O`DONNELL: Let us have the last word be your French pronunciation of your first name, which is different than the way you have Americanized it. HAIM: Laurence. O`DONNELL: Laurence. HAIM: Better! O`DONNELL: It is the same as mine. HAIM: I know that is why when I came to the United States, I said "OK, now I am Laura." O`DONNELL: All right. That is tonight`s LAST WORD. Up next is whatever is up next. END