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The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 06/18/15

Guests: Tom Davis, Rosa DeLauro, Reverend Michael McBride, Reverend FreddyHaynes

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina is in police custody. 21-year-old Dylann Roof was arrested after a traffic stop in Shelby North Carolina earlier today. Shelby is roughly 245 miles north of Charleston. Authority say Roof was cooperative during the traffic stop, and they believe he acted on his own. Roof has already made his first appearance in court. He wave council and wave extradition. Dylann Roof was previously arrested in South Carolina on drug and trespassing charges. Earlier today South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley reacted to the shooting. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GOV. NIKKI HALEY (R) SOUTH CAROLINA: We woke up today, and the heart and soul of South Carolina was broken. And so we have some grieving to. And we`ve got some pain we have to go through. Parents are having to explain to their kids how they can g to church and feel safe. And that`s not something we ever though we`d deal with. Having said that, we`re a strong and faithful state. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: The details of last night`s shooting are simply chilling. Authorities say the gunman went to the Emmanuel AME Church and sat among the worshippers during a Wednesday night bible study, which is not uncommon. After roughly an hour, he opened fire on the gathering. Earlier today the Charleston Coroner`s office released the names of the nine victims, among the dead was the church`s pastor Reverend Clementa Pinckney. Reverend Pinckney was also a South Carolina State senator and a rising star in South Carolina politics a real community leader. He was a beloved member of the community and knew President Obama, Reverend Pinckney`s cousin knew people at the bible study. She spoke to reporters and described the scene. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SYLVIA JOHNSON, REV. PINCKNEY`S COUSIN: The suspect came to the church and asked for the pastor "Where is the pastor". They showed them where the pastor was, he sat next to my cousin Reverend Clementa Pinckney for the -- throughout the entire bible study. At the conclusion of the bible study, from what I`m understand they just start hearing a loud noises just ringing out. And he had already wounded the suspect, had already wounded a couple individuals, including my cousin Reverend Clementa Pinckney. I spoke with one of the survivors, and she said that he had reloaded five different times. Her son was trying to talk him out of doing the act of killing people. He said "I have to do it", He said "You rape our women and you`re taking over our country and you have to go". (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: The South Carolina state legislature paid their respects to Reverend Pinckney today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have come though this morning to honor one as I mentioned in my earlier prayer, who has such a fond husband, such a fond can`t even get the tense right. A fond presence here in the chamber -- that booming voice coming from one of the gentlest men I`ve ever known in my life. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: A black cloth was placed over his desk in the state Senate and a prayer was held at the beginning of today`s session. Federal state and local officials are working this case the Department of Justice is opening a hate crimes investigation into Wednesday night shooting. For more let me bring in MSNBC reporter Craig Melvin who is on the ground and has been reporting all day from Charleston, South Carolina. Craig, great to have you with us tonight. This has been certainly a gut-wrenching day for everyone across this country. As we see another shooting unfold and we go through the anguish of all of this again. Craig, tell us what can you tell us about the apprehension of the suspect. This was quite -- and an intense manhunt and certainly a coordination of effort. What happened? CRAIG MELVIN, MSNBC REPORTER: It was intense, but it was also very quick, I mean, if you think about the fact that the shooting happened about a half block more I`m standing right now shortly after 9:00 last night. And the 21 year old was in custody shortly after 11:00 a.m. -- he was taken in Shelby, North Carolina. Shelby is about 40, 45 miles East of Charlotte. It`s about 4 hours again from where I am right now. He was in -- driving a Hyundai, he did not resist arrest. And he was pulled over because the officer said there was something strange about the car, but no chase (ph), no shootout or anything like that. A short time ago he made his first appearance there in Shelby, he waived extradition which means you will be returning to Charleston, hope (ph) challenging that. He also waived counsel as well, at this point. So, what the question right now Ed, is how long it is going to take for him to come back to Charleston. We don`t at this point where he`s going to be spending the night at there in Shelby, or whether he`s going to be returning tonight. Investigators told me that they have conducted what`s called an initial interview. They obviously asked some of the obvious questions, but they have not spent the kind of time that they would like to spend with them. So that`s happening in Shelby, North Carolina, let`s go to Columbia, South Carolina right now, the capital city. That is where I`m told right now investigators are conducting another search of sorts. This is where the 21-year-old suspect lived. It is unclear whether investigators are looking at his parent`s house or just his dad`s house, but that house has been roped off, there`s crime scene tape around that home. Investigators tell me they are combing through it for any evidence, any signs, any indication as to why someone would commit such a heinous crime. They`re also, while they believe he acted alone, they`re looking at right now specifically whether he had spend time in certain chat rooms on message boards, whether he was part -- as in part of underground hate community. These are all of the things that investigators are looking at right now as they try to piece some sort of motive together. SCHULTZ: Craig Melvin reporting tonight from Charleston, South Carolina. Thanks so much Craig. Let`s turn now to South Carolina State Senator Tom Davis. Senator Davis, good to have you with us tonight. You knew Reverend Pinckney very well. Tell us about your friend. SEN. TOM DAVIS, SOUTH CAROLINA: I did know him very well. I have known him for about 14 years, back when I was Chief of Staff of the governor and he was new to the Senate. And then I was elected to the Senate in 2009. And he`s been a colleague of mine for the past seven years. He and both represent portions of Jasper County and portions of Beaver County, which are in the lower part of the state. And we worked together closely on a number of matters, one of which would be the development of a new ocean terminal in Jasper county that will help the entire region. He and I worked together on that for several years, most recently, just a month or so ago in the wake of another tragedy, I worked with him in regard to passing a body camera bill in South Carolina. You`ll recall that Walter Scott was shot eight times by a law enforcement officer in the back. In the wake of that shooting Senator Pinckney took the well of the Senate. And in a way only he can, brought meaning and sense to what everybody was feeling in that chamber. He talked about we were in the Easter session, the Christians season of Easter and about how Thomas did not believe that Jesus had risen from the dead until he put his hand in Jesus` side. In Clementa Pinckney said that when we heard that Walter Scott had been gunned down and he`s words was six, seven, eight shots in the back, and then left to lie on the ground as if he were game, he then said, many of us did not believe that until we saw the picture and then when we saw the picture we also said we believe. And he went ahead and made that passionate speech and got that bill moving. But what`ll always remember and what I said today in the chamber of the Senate, was just how he was able to rise above the raw emotion of the time, the hurt, the pain, the anger, refocused our attention and he ended what he said by saying this, "We pray for the family of Walter Scott. But we also pray for the family of the law enforcement officer that shot him down because our savior teaches us to forgive and love our enemy". And that`s the kind of person that Clementa Pinckney was. He had a booming voice and a gentle heart as our Senate Chaplain said "He had a love of people". And politicians sometimes are able to feign that they like people, they pretend or act -- very few politicians genuinely, truly love and enjoy people. And Clementa Pinckney was one of those. You could tell that he cared about people. It didn`t matter if you`re Republican or a Democrat, black or white, male or female, young or old it didn`t matter. He cared about you. He looked you in the eye, and you knew that he was thinking about you and cared what you had to say. He`s going to be tremendously missed in the Senate today. I mean, to a person in that Senate, it shocked us to the core. And listening to the tributes that were given to him, all together fitting capped off by a unanimous resolution in the Senate to posthumously have his portrait done and hung in the chamber of the Senate, so that senators forever more can look upon that gentle, decent man and as he urged us to do in the wake of Walter Scott`s shooting, take this moment of grief and tragedy, to find something good out of it, and make ourselves better. And I think that`s going to be our challenges in the days ahead to make sure that Senator Pinckney`s message resonates with us that we do dig down and seek to do things better. That we do things in regard to criminal justice reform that was a passion of his. That we do things to better the lives of all South Carolinans and what he used to say to me, and I came into the Senate and I was a freshman in 2009, and I had pretty good set of beliefs, a core set of belief as we all do. But what he said to me was, you know, Tom in order to be a good senator, of course you have to have your convictions, and of course you have to have your beliefs. But what you also have to do, it`s vital that you do it, is understand somebody else`s point of view, and understand that they represent 103,000 people just like you do. And that they have beliefs and values that are a product of their experiences in their life, that are every bit as legitimate as yours. And that to be an effective legislator does not enough simply to have a core governing philosophy, you have to have that, but have you to have the ability to listen to others and the empathize and to put yourself in somebody else`s shoes. SCHULTZ: Yeah. DAVIS: And that`s a lesson I`m going to take away from this. And as many people in the Senate said today, we`re not going to let his death be in vein and we`re going to endeavor going forward to continue pushing for racial justice, for criminal justice, for the things he was passionate about. SCHULTZ: Yeah. DAVIS: Because we`ve got work to do. Weren`t perfect people, everybody -- we`re an imperfect society. And we can`t forgive that fact. We can`t forget that a lot of individuals are less advantaged than us, didn`t have the advantage that we have and that they look at the world through different eyes And what he said in the wake of Walter Scott being shot, let us have new eyes to see, so that we might understand. Let us keep open minds, let`s lift up our hearts and I was just tremendously moved by that, and in fact right after he gave that speech, after Walter Scott was shoot. I ran upstairs and asked my secretary to get that clip off TV, have that clip immediately posted online and sent out to all my constituents and then I went home that night to my wife. And I said, "I want you to watch this seven minute clip of this man speaking, because this is what a South Carolina Senator should be". This is a South Carolina standing there in a moment of grief, and tragedy, and anger, and uplifting our hearts and tying it to scripture and ending with extremely positive message. And I just said to my wife at that point in time, I just pray something I`m able to communicate in that way. I pray that I`m able to take. SCHULTZ: OK. DAVIS: Things that are out there, importance facts and to persuade people and to lift them up the way Senator Pinckney did. And that something you`re born with this a gift. And it`s a tremendous loss for our Senate. SCHULTZ: South Carolina State Senator Tom Davis, we certainly appreciate and respect your heartfelt testimony tonight, about your friend in this tremendous losses country in the state of South Carolina. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. The country needed to hear what you just said. Joining me now is Jim Cavanaugh he an MSNBC law enforcement analyst. Jim, what are the next steps in this investigation, how is this all going to unfold? Obviously trying to come to some understanding as to why this happened. What do we know about the suspect? JIM CAVANAUGH, MSNBC LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well Ed, he`s got his motive all over his clothes, he saying it to the survivors, he`s proud of it, his motive is just the most baseless hate. You know, from the white hate side of the underworld. I mean, it`s obvious who he is and what he wants to d do. As far as the investigation, he was armed when he was arrested Ed, so we have to see is that the murder weapon? I`d say likely it is. He probably kept it. So, this case is getting tighter and tighter as they search his house, his computer is going to be covered up with the hate websites, he`s inspired by all this talk, and he`s probably Googled and searched the AME Church too. You remember this guy was from Columbia, which is a different city in Charleston. It`s a couple hour drive to Charleston. He went to the church specifically and asked for the pastor specifically. So, you know, it Harkins (ph) back to me to dynamite Chambliss target in 16th Street Baptist Church where there was leaders in the civil right community as well back in the 60s. So this guy targeted and he`s probably talked about it, whether or not he has co-conspirators, I`m not saying that`s the case. But he certainly inspired by the hate movement, white hate. SCHULTZ: Jim Cavanaugh MSNBC Law Enforcement Analyst, thanks for your time tonight. I appreciate it. Coming up, President Obama`s powerful words in the wake of the Charleston, South Carolina shooting. We`ll bring you his remarks and reaction ahead. And later, the House has passed a standalone Fast-Track bill, and it`s headed to the Senate, the House`s latest move could leave workers without a safety net. We`ll have all the details coming up. Stay with us. You`re watching the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SCHULTZ: President Obama reacted to last night horrific shooting in Charleston, South Carolina. We`ll have his full remarks when we come back on the Ed Show. And there were other news. We`ll have an update on today`s Fast-Track vote in the House of Representatives. Stay tuned, we`ll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SCHULTZ: And we`re back on the Ed Show on MSNBC. Tonight, President Obama addressed the horrific events in South Carolina earlier today. Less than 24 hours after the tragic event, the President used his platform to address the epidemic of gun violence in this country. Here`s the President`s statement in its entirety. PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Good afternoon, everybody. This morning, I spoke with them as Vice-President Biden spoke with Mayor Joe Riley and other leaders of Charleston to express our deep sorrow over the senseless murders that took place last night. Michelle and I know several members of Emanuel AME Church. We knew their pastor, Reverend Clementa Pinckney, who, along with eight others, gathered in prayer and fellowship and was murdered last night. And to say our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families, and their community doesn`t say enough to convey the heartache and the sadness and the anger that we feel. Any death of this sort is a tragedy. Any shooting involving multiple victims is a tragedy. There is something particularly heartbreaking about the death happening in a place in which we seek solace and we seek peace, in a place of worship. Mother Emanuel is, in fact, more than a church. This is a place of worship that was founded by African-Americans seeking liberty. This is a church that was burned to the ground because its worshipers worked to end slavery. When there were laws banning all-black church gatherings, they conducted services in secret. When there was a nonviolent movement to bring our country closer in line with our highest ideals, some of our brightest leaders spoke and led marches from this church`s steps. This is a sacred place in the history of Charleston and in the history of America. The FBI is now on the scene with local police, and more of the bureau`s best are on the way to join them. The attorney general has announced plans for the FBI to open a hate crime investigation. We understand that the suspect is in custody. And I`ll let the best of law enforcement do its work to make sure that justice is served. Until the investigation is complete, I`m necessarily constrained in terms of talking about the details of the case. But I don`t need to be constrained about the emotions that tragedies like this raise. I`ve had to make statements like this too many times. Communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. We don`t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. Now is the time for mourning and for healing. But let`s be clear. At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn`t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it. I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now. But it would be wrong for us not to acknowledge it. And at some point it`s going to be important for the American people to come to grips with it, and for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively. The fact that this took place in a black church obviously also raises questions about a dark part of our history. This is not the first time that black churches have been attacked. And we know that hatred across races and faiths poses a particular threat to our democracy and our ideals. The good news is I am confident that the outpouring of unity and strength and fellowship and love across Charleston today, from all races, from all faiths, from all places of worship indicates the degree to which those old vestiges of hatred can be overcome. That, certainly, was Dr. King`s hope just over 50 years ago, after four little girls were killed in a bombing in a black church in Birmingham, Alabama. He said they lived meaningful lives, and they died nobly. "They say to each of us," Dr. King said, "Black and white alike, that we must substitute courage for caution. They say to us that we must be concerned not merely with who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced the murderers. Their death says to us that we must work passionately and unrelentingly for the realization of the American Dream. "And if one will hold on, he will discover that God walks with him, and that God is able to lift you from the fatigue of despair to the buoyancy of hope, and transform dark and desolate valleys into sunlit paths of inner peace." Reverend Pinckney and his congregation understood that spirit. Their Christian faith compelled them to reach out not just to members of their congregation, or to members of their own communities, but to all in need. They opened their doors to strangers who might enter a church in search of healing or redemption. Mother Emanuel church and its congregation have risen before, from flames, from an earthquake, from other dark times, to give hope to generations of Charlestonians. And with our prayers and our love, and the buoyancy of hope, it will rise again now as a place of peace. Thank you. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: President Obama, his full statement at the White House today. After the break, I`ll get reaction to the President`s comments. I`ll be joined by MSNBC Joy Reid and Professor Michael Eric Dyson and more development in today. Stay with us. We`ll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SCHULTZ: And we`re back on the Ed Show. You just heard the President`s comments in the wake of the tragedy in Charleston, South Carolina. Many other national figures are now reacting to Wednesday`s shooting, at the Emmanuel AME Church. Hillary Clinton who was campaigning yesterday in Charleston expressed her condolences to the families of the victims and called for the incident to spark a national conversation. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HILLARY CLINTON, FRM. U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Nine people, women and men cut down at prayer. Murdered in a house of God. It just broke my heart. That of course is the last place we should ever see violence, but we shouldn`t see it anywhere. In order to make sense of it, we have to be honest. We have to face hard truths about race, violence, guns and division. How many innocent people in our country from little children, to church members to movie theater attendees, how many people do we need to see cut down before we act. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: Senator Bernie Sanders also commented on the horrific shooting in Charleston, South Carolina. He said the Charleston church killings are a tragic reminder of the ugly stain of racism that still taints our nation. The senator said that in a statement. This senseless violence fills me with outrage, disgust and a deep, deep sadness. To be noted, Senator Sanders was scheduled to be in Charleston, South Carolina for a campaign event Sunday night and he has since canceled that appearance. For more, I`d like to bring in MSNBC National Correspondent Joy Reid and also with us tonight, Professor Michael Eric Dyson MSNBC Political Analyst of Georgetown University Professor, good to have both of you with us tonight. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Thank you. SCHULTZ: Well, we`ve heard from President Obama and we`ve heard from two other big politicians in this country, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Joy, what is the conversation in the wake of yet another tragedy that we have seen? It just seems that this country just does not know how to deal with gun violence to make things any better. JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Ed. And, you know, what, interesting is the framing of the three people you just discussed. Because it sort of bifurcated conversation, where the President really led with this issue of gun control, or if Hillary was more new once and kind of really co-mingled it most directly with the issue of race, because these are two things that are happening at the same time. And I think what`s interesting for both of these Democrats as well as for Bernie Sanders, is which side do you go at first? Do you go at the idea of racial and intolerance? Do you go at the idea of the degradation of a place of worship, a storied place of worship, and a place that is important as an icon to African-Americans or do you go at the gun control route? And I think you`re seeing the Democrats, particularly the President really sort of push the pedal on the gun control aspect of it, But I can tell you that out in the social media world, out among people who`re just talking about this. Yes, this is a gun conversation, but it is very much a race conversation too, and it will be interesting to see if we go further in that direction. SCHULTZ: Michael, I think the President showed tremendous leadership today, we have to talk about this. Even it`s -- a time of mourning and a time of healing as the president said, were you surprised at how strong his comments were on gun violence? DYSON: I was surprised and disappointed that the President obscured the obvious racial dimensions that begged relief and address, here is -- if you look at the descending order of greatness of new answer there (ph), Bernie Sanders talked about the ugly stain of racism, Hillary Clinton who talked about race, guns violence and division and then President Obama who by the way, Martin Luther King, Jr. talked about this. But then he talked about hatred across the races. The question is Ed. When will this President finally see that he doesn`t have to run from his race or run from blackness which are obviously there, and tethered to the issue of gun control and violence in this country, he must use his bully pulpit to excoriate those forces that are demonizing all Americans citizen, in this case who happen to be African-American. When a young man goes into a church and says, "I`m here to kill black people," the president cannot pretend this is an issue of gun violence, because if that man had a knife, he would have tried to kill the people with a knife. It doesn`t matter the implement. Although, of course it makes a big difference in terms of our gun control issues. SCHULTZ: Yeah. DYSON: It matters, the hatred in his heart to do away with these human beings. And I think again what we need is upfront leadership that articulately addresses the issues at hand that shows how they converge together, not separate them in a kind of bifurcated or if you will schizofrantic (ph) existence SCHULTZ: Well, I think leadership is getting people to speak up. And of course today was a day of tremendous emotion down in Charleston, South Carolina and throughout the state and country. Here is South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn speaking at today`s prayer service. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) REP. JAMES CLYBURN, (D) SOUTH CAROLINA: If people of ill will in our society make a much better use of time than the people of good will. I`m here today, to beg you. When you leave these hallowed halls and go back to your respected communities, wherever they may be, please break your silence. Speak up. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: Joy, your reaction to Congressman Clyburn? REID: Yeah. And, you know, Jim Clyburn has a long history in the civil rights struggle, going back to when he was a young man. And if you remember that he lives in a state that has a history of racial violence that is akin to that of states like Mississippi and Alabama, the state that launched the civil war. And by the way a state where the confederate flag still flies over a monument on the capitol grounds. A lot of African- Americans including the head state (inaudible) NAACP, noting -- when I spoke with him earlier today that is the fact, that you have a governor who, you know, almost came to tears talking about these families, and you could see her emotion was genuine but at the same time, the confederate flag still flies over the capital there. SCHULTZ: And I find that totally (ph) amazing. REID: Yeah. SCHULTZ: I find that amazing. If this does event doesn`t change. I don`t know what will. Michael Eric Dyson, your thoughts on that. DYSON: Well, look, it is reprehensible that we have flying, not only a statement of unadorned, you know, racism but of course, a rejection of loyalty to the nation. The confederate flag are celebrates those who want to secede from the nation. So the true Americans, those of us who want to stick her, stay here, figure out a way to move forward. And this is where I embrace what president Obama said today, that together we can move forward to address these issues. But we have to analyze... SCHULTZ: Yeah. DYSON: ... the illness first before we can observe and offer a remedy. And I think that`s why it`s important. SCHULTZ: I know. DYSON: If we take in aggregate what Obama said, what Sander said and what Hillary Clinton said. Then we have the possibility of addressing the ill that is before us, and bringing a remedy to fore. If we rush too quickly to forgiveness, of we rush too quickly to let`s heal, and if we rush too quickly to let`s get over in this. What are we getting over, what is the illness, and will it strike again? That`s the harm we do in trying to engage in. SCHULTZ: Yeah. DYSON: What Gore Vidal called the United States of Amnesia, it is time we reject our citizenship and that amnesia, and that we stand up and tell the truth about what`s going on in this country. SCHULTZ: Professor Michael Eric Dyson, Joy Reid, great to have you both with us tonight. I appreciate your time on this horrific subject. No doubt. Still to come, Fast-Track gets a second chance in the House of Representatives. We`ll have reaction to today`s trade vote. That`s coming up next, stay with us. HAMPTON PEARSON, CNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m Hampton Pearson, with your CNBC Market Wrap. Stocks rise across the board, the DOW jumps 180 points, the S&P adds 20, the NASDAQ climbed 68, hitting a record high. The number of Americans filing for first time jobless claims, fell more than expected last week, claims dropped by 12,000 to 267,000. Consumer prices posted their biggest increase in more than two years, due to rising prices at the pump. And shares of Fitbit surged in their trading debut. Stock closes up a whopping 48 percent today. That`s it for CNBC, first in business worldwide. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Obviously the South Carolina shooting is focal point of our coverage tonight here on MSNBC and on the Ed Show, but there is other news that we want to get to tonight. And we`ll come back to the shooting in a moment. The House took up trade promotion authority today. Fast-Tract narrowly passed in a House vote on a standalone bill. The vote was 218 to 208. President Obama now has the trade authority he desperately wanted. Fast- Track authority was not tied to Trade Adjustment Assistance during today`s vote. There`s no guarantee workers well get help after a bad trade deal. Speaker Boehner says a TAA is still a possibility. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: And I`m also confident that the Senate considers both TPA again and Trade Adjustment Assistance as part of the preferences package that hopefully will be back here as soon as next week, so we can move both of these to the President. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: Boehner wants Democrats and others in Congress to trust him assistance to workers. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi isn`t buying it. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you predict that TPA and TAA will both be passed by both Houses? REP. NANCY PELOSI, (D) CALIFORNIA: I can`t predict that. I don`t see a path for TAA. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: Republicans by and large oppose help for workers. They believe its welfare and will add to the deficit. In the past President Obama has said he will not sign a trade bill without Trade Adjustment Assistance. A House Democrat who met with President Obama claims the President says "He will sign Fast-Track even without the workers aid program". Democrats now relying on Speaker Boehner and McConnell to get Trade Adjustment Assistance might be a long throw. The process now moves to the Senate where the fate of trade is uncertain. A separate vote on TAA could happen next week. For more on this let`s turn to Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut. Congresswoman, good to have you with us. REP. ROSA DELAURO, (D) CONNECTICUT: Thank you so much Ed. Good to see you. SCHULTZ: What happened, how disappointed are you that this unfolded the way it did today? DELAURO: Oh well, look, this is what happened today is that the House threw procedural ploys send to Hail Mary past to the United State Senate. And there is no certainty a trade promotion authority, Fast-Tract without Trade Adjustment Assistance will pass. So its fate is uncertain and there is a moment -- at this moment a path to yes on is this effort. So, we will fight another day. So this is as you said it was a narrow vote in the House of Representatives. And all through gimmicks and procedural ploys et cetera. But I believe that those supported, you know, the Fast-Track. Also maybe they don`t understand what is that stake? And that is. SCHULTZ: OK. DELAURO: This issue has always been about jobs and wages and with the evidence that what the current trade agreements have done to American workers. And Democrats stood strong today. SCHULTZ: You`re confident that. DELAURO: Continues to be overwhelming opposition. SCHULTZ: So, you`re confident that there`s another day to fight, and this isn`t a slam dunk yet for those that want this to go through? DELAURO: Absolutely. And the fate of the Fast-Track is very uncertain. SCHULTZ: OK. Congresswoman, I need to ask you about today`s unbelievable horrific tragedy down in South Carolina. DELAURO: Right. SCHULTZ: You come from a state of Connecticut where young children were gunned down in an elementary school and nothing really was done about gun violence on this country on the legislative level. The President came out and addressed it today and reminded the country that this doesn`t happen in other countries with the frequency it does in America. What`s your response at his hour to what has unfolded? DELAURO: Well, firs of all Ed, our hearts are heavy with the lost of nine men and women, human-beings who where at player in then who lost their lives. You mentioned at Newtown and Sandy Hook, where 20 innocence were slaughtered. Six adults killed, another place that is supposed to be safe and our schools and our churches. And it is an issue of violence has got to be addressed, and whatever the causes bring one to this, we have to have an examination of why this is occurring. And be serious in our resolve to look at a the federal level, the kinds of legislation that can address this issue, while at the same time examining the cause, they will go together in order to prevent these kinds of efforts this horrific act to happen again. And what we can`t do is every time one happens. We say we have to focus on it. And we don`t really focus on it. So they continue to have it and there`s a loss of life and families lives turned into turmoil. SCHULTZ: Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro, I appreciate your time tonight on the Ed Show. Thanks so much. DELAURO: Thank you. SCHULTZ: Still to come on the Ed Show. The Charleston community mourns the loss of nine members at a prominent black church. I`ll speak with faith leaders about the community can, rebuild, rebound and move forward. You`re watching the Ed Show. We`ll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SCHULTZ: Still to come on the Ed Show at MSNBC more reaction to the tragic events in Charleston South Carolina. Right now, we`re waiting for the suspect in the shooting, Dylann Roof to be transported back to South Carolina. You`re seeing the plane waiting to take him. Stay tuned. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) SCHULTZ: And we`re back on the Ed Show. Official have classified the massacre inside of one of the nation oldest black church`s as a hate crime. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, there are 19 known hate groups in the state of South Carolina. At this hour it is unknown whether the suspect Dylann Roof was part of a hate group. One of the victims of last night shooting was South Carolina States Senator and Reverend Clementa Pinckney. Here`s a clip of the late Reverend speaking inside the church back in 2013. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) REV. CLEMENTA PINCKNEY: There are many people who say why would you as a preacher, why would you as a pastor be involved in public life? And I`ve already said it but I`ll say it again. Our calling is not just within the walls of the congregation, but we are part of the life and community in which our congregation resides. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: And finally tonight I`m joined by Reverend Michael McBride, director of the PICO National Network live free campaign, also with us tonight Reverend Freddy Haynes, at the Friendship-West Baptist Church. Gentlemen we`ve only got a couple of minutes left and so I just would like to remind our audience again that life is so fragile and this ugly event has reminded us of that again. You first Reverend McBride spiritually, what is the path forward for the community? We`ve only got a couple of minutes left. So I just would like to remind our audience again that life is so fragile and this ugly event has reminded us of that again. You first, Reverend McBride spiritually, what is the path forward for the community? REV. MICHAEL MCBRIDE: Well, our condolences go out to Emanuel and all the family impacted. I think the way forward has to be an act of responsibility. Abraham Joshua Hassell (ph) says few are guilty but all our responsible. We must reclaim and prophetic tradition that gives us the right analysis that reminds us that white supremacy and racial terror is not a stranger to our country or to our communities. And this must embolden us into move beyond platitudes beyond just isolated analysis of ongoing events, but challenges to go deeper into our resources of faith and offer a hope and a pathway forward that is about action, that is about honesty, but that is also about telling the truth. You know, this has been a part of many solutions moving forward or we are just deluding ourselves. And so this weekend we`re calling on congregations all across the country to join us in what we`re calling current (ph) events to preach, to pray and to act. We have resources there. We`re going to be meeting on Wednesday evening next week to do teaching and congregations. You can visit our sites for more information at to, but this is what we must do if we`re going to be successful. SCHULTZ: OK. Reverend Haynes, your thoughts at this hard hour. REV. FREDDY HAYNES: I can hardly concur Martin King at the funeral of the four little girls in Birmingham, Alabama said "We`re in the concerned just with who killed these girls but what killed these girls. And as Reverend McBride as so well said. We must have an honest analysis of the lingering legacy of racism in this nation and white supremacy. And when we look at what at killed these worshippers on last night, we won`t have more of the who that continues to bring about such domestic racist terrorism that continues to affect and infect these yet to be United States of America. SCHULTZ: Reverend Michael McBride, Reverend Freddy Haynes. I appreciate your time on tonight on the Ed Show. Thank you for your prayers and your leadership in your community. This is the time when this country certainly needs it. And this horrific shooting that has taken place down in Charleston, South Carolina is another stark reminder that this free country still wrestles with gun violence and we have at this point no real solutions to how to curb what the President talked about. Incidents like this happening on just too frequent of a basis as compared to other nations around the world. That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. END