The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, Transcript 06/08/15

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: Now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell, good evening Lawrence. LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Rachel, so much screaming -- MADDOW: I`m sorry. (LAUGHTER) O`DONNELL: It was -- it was pretty great. MADDOW: I`m sorry, it`s just -- it`s terror, it`s pure terror, I`m going to stop -- O`DONNELL: I get it. MADDOW: Yes -- O`DONNELL: I get it -- MADDOW: Sorry sir, thank you -- O`DONNELL: Thanks Rachel -- (LAUGHTER) Well, this weekend, Scott Walker did his best to win the Harley-Davidson vote, and by now, you`ve probably seen the video that got a Texas police officer suspended for using excessive force against a 15-year-old girl. We have witnesses to that event. Joining us tonight including another girl who got police officer pushed in that video. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The officer on leave tonight after he was caught on camera -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A cell phone video shows a police officer pulling his gun on teenagers at a pool party. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rolled onto the scene literally -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it was as if out of control -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Renewing the debate over police and the use of force -- ERIC CASEBOLT, POLICE OFFICER: Get on the ground! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re not looking at Davenport situation, you`re looking at a bunch of teenagers at a pool party. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say in Iowa, if you build it, they will come. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator Joni Ernst -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gathered seven presidential contenders -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker hogged most of the attention. ALEX WAGNER, MSNBC: Not a sweater vest, but a leather motorcycle jacket -- SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: My mum was always terrified of motorcycles -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsey Graham is out this weekend too and made some really interesting comments -- SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: If Caitlyn Jenner wants to be a Republican, she is welcome in my party -- WAGNER: I feel like he is violating all kinds of Republican rules. (LAUGHTER) JON STEWART, COMEDIAN & TELEVISION HOST: Then there`s the -- what do you call it? The guy from "Family Guy". (LAUGHTER) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This past weekend was Barbara Bush`s birthday, that`s why Jeb Bush wasn`t there. BARBARA BUSH, FORMER FIRST LADY: My boy, I think he is brilliant. GEORGE WALKER BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I know that human being and fish can co-exist peacefully. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I assume you mean Jeb. BUSH: Right. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Republican Lindsey Graham is the only presidential candidate who went to Iowa this weekend to campaign for votes in California. Actually, he was campaigning for just one vote in California. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GRAHAM: Caitlyn -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes -- GRAHAM: Jenner wants to be safe and have a prosperous economy, vote for me. I`m into addition. I haven`t walked in her shoes. I don`t have all of the answers to the mysteries of life. I can only imagine the torment that Bruce Jenner went through. I hope he`s -- I hope she has found peace. I`m a pro-life traditional marriage kind of guy, but I`m running to be president of the United States. If Caitlyn Jenner wants to be a Republican, she is welcome in my party. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Lindsey Graham did not say which gender he thinks Caitlyn Jenner should be banned from marrying. No candidate who wants to re-fight the Iraq war more than Lindsey Graham. There is no candidate who wants to do that more than he does. Which is presenting quite a challenge to other Republican candidates. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some are out there like Lindsey Graham saying we should send ten thousand U.S. ground troops right now to Iraq to help with this fight. Do you favor that? GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R), WISCONSIN: No, I think we shouldn`t rule anything out, I think that`s a big mistake this president`s made here and elsewhere about saying how long we would go or how much we would invest? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you rule out a full-blown U.S. reinvasion of Iraq and Syria? WALKER: I don`t think -- I don`t think we should ever send a message to our -- to our foes as to how far we`re willing to go. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, you wouldn`t rule out a full-blown reinvasion -- WALKER: I would not rule out boots on the ground. I think -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m asking would you rule out a full-blown reinvasion of Iraq? WALKER: If the national interests of this country are at stake, here at risk in this country or abroad, that`s to me the standard of what we do for military engagement. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Iowa Senator Joni Ernst tells what she hopes to be her first annual "Roast and Ride" this weekend. The ride was from Des Moines to Boone with Joni Ernst on her 2009 Harley-Davidson Softail Deluxe. The only presidential hopeful who joined her was Scott Walker on a rented 2015 Harley-Davidson Road King. Scott Walker`s state of Wisconsin is the original corporate home of Harley- Davidson and remains of course the only location where Harley-Davidson`s engines are manufactured. Six other candidates joined Senator Ernst for the roast part of the program, which was of course a pig roast. While Scott Walker was in Iowa, back in Wisconsin, the state`s Democrats met in a 511-delegate convention where the results of a straw poll showed 50 percent of those Democratic delegates voting for a Democrat not named Clinton. Hillary Clinton got 49 percent of the delegates votes, Bernie Sanders got 41 percent, Joe Biden got 3 percent, Martin O`Malley got 3 percent, Jim Webb got 2 percent, Lincoln Chafee got 1 percent. Those have been the only names that the delegates had on their ballots. But four delegates wrote in the name Elizabeth Warren. Joining us now, Joy Reid, Eugene Robinson and Kasie Hunt who is just back from Iowa. And so the -- Marco Rubio, the loser of the Harley primary saying he is -- actually in his life never been on a motorcycle of any kind at any time? KASIE HUNT, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, MSNBC: He did admit that, he also said he`s more of a water-sport guy, he -- O`DONNELL: Oh -- HUNT: Has been on a jet ski in case you`re wondering, but no, his mother traumatized them as he said with motorcycles and he refused to -- O`DONNELL: OK, so that explains why he didn`t have a motorcycle until he was, like, you know, 18. The mother is in shock -- (LAUGHTER) Go ahead, come on, Eugene, I mean, you know -- EUGENE ROBINSON, COLUMNIST, THE WASHINGTON POST: If you`re going to run for the Republican presidential nomination, you really need to learn to ride a motorcycle -- O`DONNELL: Yes -- ROBINSON: It`s like -- oh, you know -- or at least claim that you -- O`DONNELL: Yes, what kind of American -- HUNT: Well, at least he`s not inauthentic, we didn`t call attention to claim that -- remember when Mitt Romney claimed he hunted frequently? O`DONNELL: Right -- HUNT: But you know -- ROBINSON: More (INAUDIBLE) says something -- JOY REID, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, MSNBC: When I heard -- (LAUGHTER) Marco Rubio say that all I could hear was sort of the sound of a -- of a thousand little beltway hearts breaking. Because there`s no one that the beltway loves more than Marco Rubio. They want him so badly to be Ronald Reagan, he`s just coming up like a C movie level at this -- O`DONNELL: Well, you know, as an owner of multiple Harley-Davidsons in my youth, I think I call it, I was very interested in your question to Scott Walker about his own personal Harley back home. Let`s listen to that. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) WALKER: Mine is a 100 -- excuse me, 100th anniversary edition, so you know on the -- so, it has a black stripe down the middle, and I have a few scratches on it, so I have a few stickers that look like bullet holes. But -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean -- WALKER: People always ask if they`re real -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right -- WALKER: And I tell people -- HUNT: Well -- WALKER: Yes, they were real I wouldn`t be here. (END VIDEO CLIP) (LAUGHTER) O`DONNELL: So, he`s a real -- he`s a real Harley guy -- HUNT: He`s not trying to paint himself -- O`DONNELL: He -- HUNT: As a -- O`DONNELL: He wasn`t faking it, he actually owns one. HUNT: No, he does actually own one. He started riding when he was a county executive in Wisconsin, one of his first political posts, he says he got the bug, and of course, I think you know, it helps politically to be -- O`DONNELL: OK, I personally could stay on the Harley thing all night. (LAUGHTER) I can show you pictures. (LAUGHTER) Well, but I guess we should move on to the adult -- fast one -- ROBINSON: Probably -- O`DONNELL: Of this. Joy, the Lindsey Graham moving out there in the zone where no other Republican rushed into. They just thought, you know what? I`m going to leave that one California vote to him. REID: Yes, I don`t understand what Lindsey Graham`s positioning is, like who is his constituency? Because he does seem to be trying to take the most unelectable positions possible. Now, within his party, the one thing I would give him is that when, you know, Caitlyn Jenner was Bruce Jenner, Bruce Jenner was a Republican. So he may not actually have to do much to sell Caitlyn Jenner because I do believe that he`s already got that vote or at least the party already has it -- O`DONNELL: And -- REID: In theory. O`DONNELL: And Eugene, he is leaning the debate on what we do in Iraq. And he`s all for -- ROBINSON: Yes -- O`DONNELL: Going back in with a minimum of 10,000 men, we`ll see how many we need from there -- ROBINSON: I see -- O`DONNELL: And then you see Scott Walker trying to kind of straddle this going up -- ROBINSON: Well, everybody else is trying to straddle -- I say -- O`DONNELL: Yes -- ROBINSON: God bless Lindsey Graham. I don`t agree with his prescription for Iraq, but he`s very clear, he says this is what we need to do, if you think otherwise, don`t vote for me. If you think -- you know, if you want to get out of Iraq anytime soon, don`t vote for me. I think that is an extraordinary thing. And actually, in extraordinary addition to the debate, because somebody is being honest about the option other than what President Obama is doing, right? With this kind of trying to muddle through -- (CROSSTALK) O`DONNELL: They should do it -- which one of these Republican campaigns is most reluctant to go into that zone Lindsey Graham has opened up, which is how many troops do you want to send back into Iraq? HUNT: Jeb Bush, I think. Just because if he weighs into this in a real way, I mean, obviously, we`ve heard him talk about whether Iraq was a mistake. They had to answer that question for days before they finally figured out how to get it right. But the moment he starts to walk down that path, I think one thing about Lindsey Graham, I think it`s a huge mistake to underestimate him. He`s an extraordinarily smart politician with a very good sense of the -- of the universe that he is living in. And he`s not out there on a limb saying this. I mean, yes, he truly believes it, but he also knows that`s where the party is. And I think it`s a dangerous place for Jeb Bush as he tries to first navigate the primary and then go on to a general election about -- against Hillary Clinton with a country that doesn`t necessarily want to relitigate this war. ROBINSON: I mean, it`s the first thing because we got these two Republican candidates saying really transgressive things in a way. Lindsey Graham over here and you`ve got Rand Paul over here. It`s a -- it`s a fascinating time to be a Republican, I imagine. REID: Most of them don`t have -- O`DONNELL: Yes, when Bernie Sanders had his big announcement, I found myself comparing him to Eugene McCarthy, maybe possibly it could turn out that way. In this straw poll in Wisconsin, Joy, it did. He "won", if you use the old Gene McCarthy versus LBJ math. ROBINSON: Yes -- O`DONNELL: He won with 41 percent of the vote holding Hillary Clinton to 49 -- HUNT: Yes -- O`DONNELL: If you add up the votes that did not vote for Hillary, it`s one-point more than did vote for her. That wasn`t a great showing for her. REID: No, and I think -- but early on, the people who were the most interested paying attention to this early on are going to be the more conservative Republicans and the more liberal Democrats. And definitely there is a market among liberal Democrats and very liberal Democrats for an alternative to Hillary Clinton, as hard as she`s trying to win over the left. I think when we get closer to the, you know, the nuts and bolts of the primary and people are trying to decide who can win a national election, you`re going to see something different. But this early on, this is an opportunity I think, for liberal Democrats, particularly those who are very fixated on the Wall Street issue to make their voices heard. Sort of the Elizabeth Warren -- ROBINSON: Yes, and -- REID: This -- ROBINSON: If I had a nickel for every straw -- Republican straw poll that Rand Paul -- REID: Yes -- (LAUGHTER) ROBINSON: I have quite a few nickels -- REID: Yes -- ROBINSON: I believe -- O`DONNELL: But -- HUNT: I mean -- O`DONNELL: Kasie, they know -- (CROSSTALK) Most delegates know we`re watching it, we`re going to report it -- HUNT: Yes -- O`DONNELL: And they know when they cast that vote for Bernie Sanders, they -- are they just -- is it -- is it -- is it the Clinton`s campaign belief that those people are just trying to send a message and they`re all going to eventually fall in line with the Clinton campaign? HUNT: I think that there is demand, if you look in the polling, there is demand among particularly white Democrats for an alternative to Hillary Clinton. Maybe they support her, but they want to see her have a race. But I just have to say, this reminds me so much of the Republican primary in 2012. Both the media and to a certain extent the base of the -- to a large extent, the base of the Republican Party really wanted somebody other than Mitt Romney. Anybody other than Mitt Romney, and I think it`s something similar here. I mean, at the end of the day, we all knew Mitt Romney was going to become the nominee. It was a question of how long that was going to drag out. I think it`s similar on the Democratic side this time. O`DONNELL: But Joy, this is a more serious band of candidates, these are all real people who have real thoughts about these issues. You don`t have any, you know, Herman Cain types in here. REID: Well, yes, I mean on the Democratic side, you have a lot of people who have absolutely no chance, I mean you`re not clear what their -- O`DONNELL: Right -- REID: Constituency is, you know, the former senator from Rhode Island comes to mind, but I do think when you look at Bernie Sanders, he is filling a void that Elizabeth Warren is absolutely not going to fill no matter how many times people ask her. And Bernie Sanders filled that void. What makes him interesting is that as you go into those first four important primary in Iowa, he could actually have an unusually large showing. Do we think he`s going to be here in a primary? It doesn`t appear so, but the problem I think Kasie touched on is that when you start to get to like South Carolina, Hillary Clinton`s constituency is also very strongly ethnic. And one of the things about the Bernie Sanders moment is that he doesn`t have a broad ethnic base beyond white, liberal Democrats. HUNT: Right -- ROBINSON: So look at New Hampshire. O`DONNELL: All right, we`re going to have to leave it there for tonight, Kasie Hunt, thank you for asking the Harley-Davidson questions, I would like to get -- HUNT: OK -- O`DONNELL: The complete motorcycle resume of every candidate out there. HUNT: Hey, we didn`t talk about Rick Perry. I got some great -- O`DONNELL: Yes, he -- (CROSSTALK) HUNT: So, get ready to -- (CROSSTALK) O`DONNELL: He was the only other one who was on a motorcycle -- (CROSSTALK) HUNT: He was the only other one on a motorcycle -- O`DONNELL: But he didn`t do the -- HUNT: Yes -- O`DONNELL: Big ride -- HUNT: He did a ride with veterans, actually, the bike that he rode belonged to a veteran who lost all four limbs in IED attack in Iraq. So, he had a very good -- they had several hundred people turn out to ride with him -- O`DONNELL: OK, he was on a different one, OK, we`re going to take a break. Coming up, that disturbing video of that police officer who trying to arrest a teenage girl -- there he is there, beating her. We`re going to be joined by one of the girls who you see in that video who was also pushed by that police officer, and also other witnesses to what happened there. That`s coming up. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: The longest-serving Republican speaker of the House of Representatives will make his first court appearance tomorrow. Dennis Hastert is charged with violating banking laws and lying to the FBI allegedly in a scheme to secretly pay someone $3.5 million to keep quiet about sexual molestation while Hastert was a high school wrestling coach. Coming up next, that Texas police officer is suspended tonight after that video emerged showing his reaction to kids leaving a pool party there. Two of the teens who were there will join me next. One of them was pushed by that police officer. That`s coming up. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: A one-man police riot broke out in McKinney, Texas, when officers were called to a disturbance at a community swimming pool party. Once again, cell phone video is the only reason we`re talking about this tonight. It`s the only reason we know what happened at the scene, beginning with one of the strangest police maneuvers yet caught on video. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s go, run! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Move! (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: That police officer was not tripped by anyone on the scene. He may -- he may have been tripped by a root or something on the ground under him, or he may have just decided to do a flip for dramatic effect as he began his rampage in that neighborhood. While other officers responded with calm dealing with the situation, Corporal Eric Casebolt, a ten-year veteran of the McKinney police force was completely out of control. Screaming orders that had absolutely no legal authority and detaining people for no reason with no legal authority and beating to the ground a 15-year-old girl because he didn`t like the sound of her voice. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, go -- CASEBOLT: OK, guys, I appreciate -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no more involved -- CASEBOLT: OK -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know -- CASEBOLT: Who was in it? -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who was involved -- CASEBOLT: There you go -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was just guys, it was that guy -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, sir -- CASEBOLT: Get on the ground! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Problem, sir? CASEBOLT: I told you, stay! Get your asses down on the ground! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s go right, did you hear, Brian(ph)? He`s one of the -- right, problem with the pink top -- CASEBOLT: Get on the grass! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but we`re hoping -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Think, you watch out -- CASEBOLT: Who won`t sit on the ground? Get your ass out of here. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t do anything -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No -- CASEBOLT: Get back here -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t even do anything, I was reading in here -- (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Georgio(ph)! Georgie(ph)! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can pass(ph) here, man -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jay! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, come on -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Getting out of -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s go, all right -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just got here -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, we just came to a birthday party, please -- CASEBOLT: We`ll figure out now -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, sir -- CASEBOLT: Right now, you stay, don`t make me -- with 30 pounds of -- damn gear on the sun because you all screw around out here? Don`t be standing there running your mouth, you`re going to go, too. Get out of here. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, let`s go -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t see my watch -- CASEBOLT: I don`t care, please -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have nerve -- CASEBOLT: You`re leaving now! You`re leaving now! You are leaving now! (CROSSTALK) Leave! UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is my home -- CASEBOLT: Get out of the way! (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t touch -- CASEBOLT: And get your ass gone! (CROSSTALK) Keep on running your mouth! (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right -- CASEBOLT: You`re what?! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeffrey, what the -- is going on? Because I feel -- I feel -- (CROSSTALK) (SCREAMING) (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Call my mama! (SCREAMING) Call my mama! Call my mama! Oh, God! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Reese(ph)! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes -- (CROSSTALK) CASEBOLT: What do you think? Hey (INAUDIBLE) -- (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, you all -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You all feel me, man -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK? But just chill off -- (CROSSTALK) CASEBOLT: You know what? I did -- (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not -- CASEBOLT: Plus, out of here -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s my -- that`s my cousin -- (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He pulled out his gun -- (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Abuse, you know that, right? CASEBOLT: Get out of here or you`re going too! (CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is crazy, man -- (CROSSTALK) CASEBOLT: You`re going to jail if you don`t knock it off. (CROSSTALK) (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Jahda Bakari and Jordan Gray who both attended that pool party and witnessed everything that happened there. And joining them is Maurice Gray, Jordan`s father. First of all, Jahda, you`re on that video that we just saw, we`ll show it again at a certain point. What -- first of all, tell us what happened at the party that created a situation where the police were called? JAHDA BAKARI, RESIDENT, MCKINNEY, TEXAS: During the party, we were kept there -- the worker that worked at the pool continued to come over to our group of people, the party, and asking us about the pool passes that we had and how many people were with one pool pass. Because apparently there was a rule that you could only have two people per pool pass, but we had never been told about that before because I`ve lived in Fair Grant(ph) for a few years and no one has ever abided by that rule before. So, we didn`t really believe the worker when he told us that you can only have two people. So after he came by the first time, we -- like, still were just having fun in the pool, and then he came back again and started asking us about -- talking to us about horse-playing. But then I told him, I said, you know there`s other -- there is the -- you see these white kids horse-playing, and then he continued to just ignore that and then continued talking to us about horse-playing. And then that`s when we started getting kind of upset because he was only coming to us about -- like the pool passes and everything. Then we asked him about how come he didn`t ask anyone else at the pool about their pool passes because most of the other people there were Caucasians. So then that`s when he went around and asked them about the pool passes. And that`s kind of how -- like it all began. And then, there also, then later on during the party, a group of black men were -- young men, were at the gate of the pool. And they were trying to get let in, but we didn`t know who they were and we weren`t with them at the party and everything, so we didn`t let them in and we told no one to let them in. So then, they went to the side of the pool and then started hopping the fence, and that`s when, like, some of the parents started complaining about it. And after we told them that we weren`t even with them, they still continued to -- guess, assumed that we were. So, that`s, like, the women that were -- like the parents that were complaining, that`s -- they called the cops and then that`s when the cops began coming. O`DONNELL: And Jordan Gray, when did you leave the party? Did you -- did you leave when that situation started to get out of hand? JORDAN GRAY, RESIDENT, MCKINNEY, TEXAS: Yes, once the situation started to get out of hand, I start to leave the party in a quiet manner. O`DONNELL: And Jordan, you were there with your mother, weren`t you? GRAY: Yes sir, I was there with my mother at the time on the scene. O`DONNELL: And Maurice Gray, your wife was there with -- I think, more of your children, not just Jordan, is that right? MAURICE GRAY, RESIDENT, MCKINNEY, TEXAS: Yes, it`s correct. She was there with five of my kids, ranging from 6 to 16. O`DONNELL: And you actually went to the scene once you heard what was happening there. Maurice, what did you find when you went to the scene? GRAY: Yes, basically, I actually noticed that my wife, she gave me a phone call while I was proceeding to home, and she informed me that she was already at a pool party and everything was working out fine. They had a DJ, you know, food, and they finally looked at -- when I got the second phone call, she informed me that police was there breaking up the pool party because unruly kids, they were kind of chasing down kids and trying to -- I guess get the situation at hand. O`DONNELL: And when you responded to the scene there after the fact, had you already seen video of what happened there? GRAY: No, actually, I arrived at home first, and I noticed -- my niece informed me that she was struck by an officer, and I just told her to get in the car. And that`s when we found out all the video at that time and the -- actually the other girl that actually was involved getting her face thrown to the ground. I met with her dad, and he was kind of a little bit distraught because this was the first that he heard about it and saw the video. O`DONNELL: All right, we`re going to take a break here, when we come back, Jahda is going to tell us about her encounter with that police officer who is now suspended. We`ll be right back after this break. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) O`DONNELL: We`re back with Jahda Bakari, Jordan Gray and Maurice Kit Gray, coming to us from Texas. Jahda, I want to show a video that you shot while this was going on. Let`s take a look at that. All right, we`re going to hold off on that. Control room`s not ready for that. I want to go back to the video we showed earlier, which shows you in it, Jahda. I think we`ve isolated a piece of it. If the control room has that one ready to go, we`ll take a look at that to see where you were positioned in relation to this police officer while this was going on. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) No sound on this? OK, that -- OK, that -- that`s -- that`s Jahda there in the bikini, the white bottom and the gray top. OK, we can come back here. (END VIDEO CLIP) Jahda, do you know the girl that the police officer grabbed and pulled to the ground and got on top of her. JAHDA BAKARI, WITNESS TO POOL PARTY CHAOS: I know of her. I just met her then, but I`ve heard about her. O`DONNELL: Yes. And so, what was she saying. What could you hear her say while that was going on. BAKARI: Well, while he was assaulting her, she was mostly telling people to call her mother. And she was saying, "Help me," like mostly cries for help. O`DONNELL: And that -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- when the police officer went after her, that he -- the only thing we can see on the video that makes him go after her is he doesn`t like that she is speaking. Was there any other thing that you saw that made him go after her. BAKARI: I honestly don`t believe that it was -- like, I don`t think there was any other reason because he was already upset from the beginning whenever someone would say something. Because he yelled at me constantly for talking as well. But, like, she was walking away, she was going. She was leaving like he told her to do. (END VIDEO CLIP) But then, he ran after her Because she was running her mouth. But you could hear her say, "Someone call my mom," when he grabbed her and put her back into the scene. O`DONNELL: And Jahda, what did the police officer do to you. BAKARI: When after he yanked her, I was like walking across the street, because I was standing at the scene -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- when my -- because my friend left her glasses in the pool area and we were waiting to go get them. And the police officer said -- told her to leave -- told us to leave. And then she said that her glasses were there. And he said he didn`t care. And then, that`s what -- and he said we needed to go home. So, I pointed in the direction of my house. And then he said, "No, go the other way." So, I still tried walking in the direction of my house so I could get home, like he told me to do. And then he used his, like, baton or stick or something and hit me in the arm with it. It wasn`t like a -- like a bash but it was like -- it was hard enough that I could have bruised from it. O`DONNELL: Maurice -- BAKARI: And then, -- O`DONNELL: Go ahead. BAKARI: What. O`DONNELL: Go ahead, Jahda. BAKARI: Oh, oh. So, like I started walking away. And I was halfway across the street when I turned around and I saw him pulled -- pull her, because, like I heard a lot of commotion going on, and I turned around, and I saw him pull her onto the concrete. And that`s when I ran back over. And then I tried reaching for her. I didn`t touch him. I reached for her to help her. And then he hit me in the face. O`DONNELL: He hit you in the face with his or -- BAKARI: Yes, with his hand. He punched me. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Maurice Gray, when you heard about this happening, and when you were collecting this information after the fact of what happened, what was your reaction, your personal reaction to this. MAURICE GRAY, WITNESS TO POOL PARTY CHAOS: The first thing, when I arrived home, I actually found about it, I actually put her back in the car and went around and I asked for the chief once I got back on the scene. And they told me there was no chief on the scene. The officer that was there, that was a supervisor. So, I took her mother that would came later. And they talked to the supervisor, but what`s kind of disturbing, we showed the supervisor the video, and the supervisor stated that, you know, there was nothing wrong that was done in the video. O`DONNELL: Jordan Gray, did you see any moment where that police officer was threatened by anyone. JORDAN GRAY, WITNESS TO POOL PARTY CHAOS: No, sir. I don`t see where he had been threatened by anybody in any case. O`DONNELL: And, you know, when I`m watching the video, Jordan, it doesn`t make sense to me how he decides to go after some people and not go after others. There are some people who he orders to sit down, and then others, he doesn`t. Did it make any more sense when you were there. JORDAN GRAY: It didn`t make any sense at all. It just seemed like the officer was very out of control when he was trying to handle the situation. O`DONNELL: Jahda Bakari, Jordan Gray and Maurice Gray, thank you all for joining us tonight. It`s been very helpful. Thank you very much. BAKARI: Yes, you`re welcome. MAURICE GRAY: Thank you. BAKARI: Thank you. O`DONNELL: We`re going to be back after a break. You will hear from Joy Reid, Eugene Robinson and Sherrilyn Ifill about their reaction to this. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) (Screaming) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TEENAGER: Someone call my mama now. (Bleep) (SCREAMING) (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: We`re joined now by Sherrilyn Ifill. She`s the President and Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and a professor at the University of Maryland School of Law. Back with us, Eugene Robinson and Joy Reid. Sherrilyn, I want to get your legal perspective of what happened there. But, in this last commercial break, we just had the most televisable discussion we`ve ever had during commercial break. Three parents looking at that video. And, as you put it, Sherrilyn, doing a slow burn. SHERRILYN IFILL, PRESIDENT AND COUNSEL, NAACP LEGAL DEFENSE FUND: It`s infuriating. It`s absolutely -- I tell you, I come to this as a civil rights lawyer, I also come this as a mom of three daughters. And I have not been able to collect myself since watching this video. Every time I see that man sitting on that baby and hear her crying for her mother, and his sense that he`s accomplished something, his sense that he has somehow controlled the scene by sitting on a 14-year-old girl, -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- it is nauseating. It`s sickening. And you`re watching somebody, a grown man out of control. He`s like the worst out-of-control school resource officer but fully armed, running through a crowd, doing this bizarre role like he`s a television private detective, yelling at these children and exerting a level of control that is completely disproportionate to the situation. The drawing of the gun moment is really important, Lawrence, because a, it`s a testament to how out of control he is. But it shows you how close many of our children are to absolute peril because it can go so quickly. Even his colleagues rushed over -- EUGENE ROBINSON, COLUMNIST, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Yes. IFILL: -- and grabbed him because -- ROBINSON: Yes. IFILL: -- they knew it was out of control, which is, maybe the good news of the story. O`DONNELL: Right. ROBINSON: Yes. IFILL: But that`s the reality. In that moment he`s drawn that gun, what could have happened. ROBINSON: Right. IFILL: Now, his colleagues come and grabbed him. But then, after they grabbed him, they go running off after the two young men. On what charge. On what lawlessness. What law did we see any of those children break. I don`t see them disturbing the peace. I looked at the statute, the local statute in McKinney, I don`t see them disturbing the peace. I don`t see them fighting in public. I heard that there was a fight between an adult and a child but I don`t see those people detained. (END VIDEO CLIP) I don`t see anything that constitutes an actual, you know, breaking of the law in some way that justifies even the young boys who are being held on the ground. One might say crowd control, except, if in fact there were too many children at the pool party, what you wanted them to do was leave, not sit and detain them and -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- hold them. ROBINSON: Yes. IFILL: You hear the boy saying, "Sir, we just came here to a party. Sir, we just -- we don`t understand what`s going on." But they must sit and they must be silent because he said so and he has a gun. (END VIDEO CLIP) Anyone who`s concerned about big government, anyone who`s concerned about, you know, lawlessness of the government, should be concerned about that video. O`DONNELL: Yes, Joy, Texas, this is the state where some of those people are panicked that, perhaps, the United States Army, which has been stationed in Texas -- (LAUGHTER) -- since it has been a state, -- JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. O`DONNELL: -- is there to invade. But they`re not -- they don`t seem to be outraged about this. But, to Sherrilyn`s point, it is nothing but luck. It`s nothing but luck that has us sitting here, talking about a situation where no one was shot. REID: Yes, actually, at that level of rage -- and you saw this a lot on social media when this broke. People were saying, the sad truth is that we`re all thankful that he, in the active level he was at, didn`t just fire his weapon. ROBINSON: Yes. REID: And I spoke with the father and also with the attorney of the young man that he pointed that gun at -- one of the two that he pointed that gun at. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) And that is what the father said, too, that he was thankful that he -- for the officers, for one thing, that they did sort of pull him back. Remember, he was their supervisor. So, when they took off after those two young men, it`s because he ordered them to go after them. O`DONNELL: Yes. He was the one with stripes on his sleeves. REID: Exactly. And the one young man who was charged, what he`s been charged with is evading and interfering with an officer. (END VIDEO CLIP) But he didn`t interfere with an arrest because no one else was arrested. Only him. And then, the other question becomes, will that then become the justification for pulling his weapon, that he`ll try to claim that the two boys somehow had him in fear for his life. These were children in swimming trunks and flip-flops. IFILL: Yes. REID: And we were talking, as you said in the break, as a parent who`s taken my children to a lot of pool parties -- the parents don`t typically stay -- and who`s thrown a lot of pool parties for my kids. And, normally, the parents drop the kids off as this has been an excuse to be without their kids for four hours. (LAUGHTER) And the parents leave. There`s usually one, two parents on site. And one quick thing -- in this case, there was a parent there. There were at least two parents there the whole time. The police officers don`t appear to have sought out those parents. The mom who threw this party for her two daughters -- one who`s 18 and one who`s a bit younger, I think 14 or 15 -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- was there and said that the police officers did not try to talk to her. She was the adult that was in charge. But the police officers went charging at the children. O`DONNELL: And, Gene, the fact that the kids were all in bathing suits makes this so much worse on every level. First of all, the suspicion level. There`s no mystery about what they have. ROBINSON: Exactly. O`DONNELL: It`s a 15-year-old girl in bathing suit. ROBINSON: Exactly. O`DONNELL: She`s got nothing. There is no way you way -- ROBINSON: There`s no -- O`DONNELL: You can look at them, you know they have nothing. ROBINSON: Right. There`s nothing there. O`DONNELL: Right. And then there`s this kind of horrible pornographic component of it when you see the way he`s treating her. ROBINSON: Yes. That`s awful. I mean, it is cinematic, this video, and it goes through this -- part of it is almost comic, the way he does the sort of role on the entry, -- O`DONNELL: Yes, if it stopped -- ROBINSON: -- like some sort of mad Inspector Clouseau, you know, expert in crowd megger (ph) or something. But, you know, when has there been a pool party where too many people didn`t show up, you know, on a hot day. I don`t know. I`ve never heard that pool party. When do you -- when do you charge into a situation like that with the attitude that he came, which was, you know, "I`m going to crack some heads. I`m going to establish some order around here," and, I guess, "by myself and shoot people if necessary." I don`t know. It`s just -- IFILL: How was this -- ROBINSON: How was this guy a police officer. IFILL: How was he trained. I mean, part of the training -- O`DONNELL: Well, the training means nothing. IFILL: Well, -- O`DONNELL: This is one of those cases to show you -- IFILL: He`s a trainer. That`s to say he`s a trainer. O`DONNELL: The training means nothing. IFILL: You`re absolutely right. You`re absolutely right. Because your job is to diffuse the situation, especially when you`re dealing with teenagers, right. He`s churning up at everything the teenagers were saying to him as though he`s at the same age they are. ROBINSON: Yes. O`DONNELL: Right, right. IFILL: And he`s running after them because he doesn`t like what they`re saying. O`DONNELL: Right, right. IFILL: This is out of control. REID: You know, we left out, very quickly, that the preceding event was that, apparently, there were adults who were unhappy with the racial composition -- ROBINSON: Yes, yes. Right. REID: -- of the party, and who called the police, and who even physically interacted, -- IFILL: Yes. REID: -- physically fought teenagers, adults. None of them were charged. O`DONNELL: Yes. We`re going to take a break here. Sherrilyn Ifill, Joy Reid, Eugene Robinson, thank you very much for joining this dispiriting conversation. I agree with you. When I first saw this thing, I didn`t even want to talk about it. I had a few days to think about it. Coming up, -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- if you judge parents by their children, Joe Biden should be judged very favorably. (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) The manhunt continues in New York State tonight for two prisoners who escaped from a maximum security prison over the weekend. Richard Matt and David -- (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) -- Sweat, both convicted murderers, escaped by using power tools to tunnel out of the Clinton Correctional Facility. Tonight, police surrounded a boarded-up building that is very close to the prison. But then, they left. Two separate law enforcement sources have told NBC affiliate, WPTZ, that they believed the getaway car that was supposed to pick up the escaped prisoners either came too early or too late, or possibly not at all. Police believe that the escaped convicts are on foot. Prison workers and contractors are being questioned. And the governor of New York thinks the man had help. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: Someone assisted them, at least, with equipment. Because if you`re talking about cutting through steel, the back plate of the cell, -- UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. CUOMO: -- was more than a quarter inch steel. You need a minimum of hacksaw blades to get through that. You`re then in a catwalk, that they had to go hundreds of yards. They went through a brick wall and then cut into a steam pipe. They had put dummies in the bed, like "The Shawshank Redemption." My speculation is, those dummies deceived the guards on several nights. Because they could not have done this in one day. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: Up next, a murder indictment for a killing by police. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) A North Charleston police officer has been indicted on a murder charge for the death of 50-year-old, Walter Scott. In April, Officer Michael Slager shot at Walter Scott eight times when he ran away after a traffic stop. The shooting was caught on video by a bystander. Michael Slager faces 30 years to life in prison if convicted. (END VIDEO CLIP) Up next, the moving words of a brother speaking of his brother. Hunter Biden`s first and last memory of his big brother, Beau, is holding his hand. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: For Beau, a cruel twist of fate came early. A car accident that took his mom and his sister, and confined Beau and Hunter, then still toddlers, to hospital beds at Christmas time. (END VIDEO CLIP) O`DONNELL: In his eulogy on Saturday of Joseph Robinette Biden III, who was always known as Beau, President Obama quoted the Irish poet, Patrick Kavanagh, saying, "Let grief be a falling leaf at the dawning of the day." With that leaf falling once again on the Biden Family, Beau Biden`s little brother, Hunter, rose Saturday to celebrate his big brother`s life. Hunter`s first and last memory of his brother is holding his hand in a hospital. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HUNTER BIDEN, JOE BIDEN`S YOUNGER SON: The first memory I have is of lying in a hospital bed next to my brother. I was almost three years old. I remember my brother who was one year and one day older than me, holding my hand, staring into my eyes, saying, "I love you, I love you, I love you," over and over again. And in the 42 years since, he never stopped holding my hand. He never stopped telling me just how much he loves me. But mine wasn`t the only hand Beau held. Beau`s was the hand everyone reached for in their time of need. Beau`s was the hand that was reaching for yours before you even had to ask. That is my brother`s stories. That is his story. There are so many people in this church today, across the country, who have a legitimate right to say, "Beau Biden was my bestfriend." He was the bestfriend any of us ever had. Someone once said, "Don`t wait to make your son a great man. Make him a great boy." From the time we left the hospital 42 years ago, my dad spent every moment that he possibly could with us. No event was too small. No event was too great. We traveled with him up and down the state, across the country, around the world. We went to thousands of speeches, chicken dinners, debates. We rode the train with him for thousands of miles. We went everywhere with him. We just assumed it was normal to want to be with your dad more than anyone else in the world. He held so many hands -- survivors of abuse, parents of his fallen brothers and sisters in uniform, victims of violent crime in his beloved City of Wilmington. That`s my brother`s story. There are thousands of people telling those stories right now, telling the same story about when Beau Biden held their hand. My only claim on my brother is that he held my hand first. And, as it began, so did it end. His family surrounding him, everyone holding onto him. Each of us desperate, desperately holding him, each of us whispering, "I love you, I love you, I love you." And I held his hand, and he took his last breath. And I know that I was loved. And I know that his hand will never leave mine. END