Show: MTP DAILY Date: October 28, 2016 Guest: Tim Ryan, Jim Morrill, Hallie Jackson, Jamil Smith; Jason Miller
CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST, HARDBALL: I think they are on phasing. It`s interesting how this sort of a parallel thinking about they want more. They want more information.
STEVE KORNACKI, MSNBC HOST, STEVE KORNACKI SHOW: OK. That will be "Hardball," 7:00 eastern here on MSNBC.
Again, very busy afternoon. Our coverage is going to continue on Steve Kornacki.
"MTP daily" starts now.
CHUCK TODD, MSNBC HOST: Well, if it`s Friday, how about this? We will find out what the FBI`s October surprise does and does not mean for this presidential election.
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TODD: Tonight, the FBI breaking news puts an exclamation point on the end of a horrible week for Clinton and the Democrats.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Perhaps finally justice will be done.
TODD: Plus, we mapped out Trump`s narrow path to victory from Maine to Colorado. And now North Carolina takes us through the looking glass of national politics.
This is "MTP Daily` and it starts right now.
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TODD: Well, good evening. Welcome to "MTP Daily." I am Chuck Todd here are election headquarters in New York City. We have less than 11 days to go until Election Day.
And now in the final stretch, a potential lifeline for Republicans up and down the battle, including Donald Trump from none other than FBI director James Comey, the breaking news today of yet another October surprise in a month filled with surprises.
New developments in the investigation to Hillary Clinton`s private email server. In a letter sent earlier today to Senate judiciary committee, the director of the FBI, James Comey, writes the following.
In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent ti the investigation. I agree that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps design to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information as well as to assess their importance to our investigation.
And that in suddenly is now in present tense, implying that the investigation in Hillary Clinton has been reopened. Multiple federal officials tell NBC News that these emails were found as part of an ongoing investigation into Anthony Wiener, the estrange husband of log time Clinton aide Huma Abedin. Federal prosecutors have been investigating Weiner for allegedly sexting with a 15-year-old girl.
Now, on her way to her event early this afternoon in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Clinton ignored questions from the press and then did not address the FBI issue at all in her remarks. We are expected to hear from Clinton again later this hour at a rally in Des Moines. Her campaign spokesperson Brian Fallon, by the way a former spokesperson at the justice department before he joined the campaign, spoke to my colleague Steve Kornacki last hour.
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BRIAN FALLON, CLINTON CAMPAIGN SPOKESPERSON: It boggles the mind why this step was taken with just 11 days to go. We are 11 days out from Election Day. We are several weeks into early voting in some of these states. More than 20 million people have gone to the polls. Many people are voting as we speak. And so, at this point it is incumbent on director Comey to fill in the blanks and provide more information about what prompted him to send this letter today. We are fully confident that at the end of this review, however long it takes, that there will be no conclusion drawn that would all have changed the outcome of the investigation that was wrapped up in July.
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TODD: So now after the Trump campaign accused the FBI of playing politics, you see there, that`s the Clinton campaign implying and wondering is the FBI playing politics here. If nothing else, Trump himself is casting all of this as a rhetorical victory.
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TRUMP: I have great respect for the fact that the FBI and the department of justice are now willing to have the courage to right the horrible mistake that they made. This was a grave miscarriage of justice that the American people fully understood. And it is everybody`s hope that it is about to be corrected. Perhaps finally justice will be done.
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TODD: But the real political loser here might be James Comey. He has been walking a tight rope on Clinton in this investigation for months. Nothing has been normal about this investigation. Nothing has been normal about how the FBI has conducted itself during this investigation. First, the right was limited him for not recommending charges be brought against Clinton. Though the left was upset at the time that in his announcement, he decided to lay out all the reasons why maybe he almost would have recommended prosecution. Now, of course, he has been under pressure from the right and he released extra information, things that you never see released in an FBI investigation, then of course today ends up angering the left.
So for someone who is trying to stay out of politics, he has found himself playing an outsized role in this campaign. In fact, just last night, FBI was one of the many institutions Trump himself was railing against. Literally, 24 hours ago, Trump was saying the following about the FBI.
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TRUMP: I think the biggest rigging of all is what happened with the FBI and the justice department with respect to Hillary Clinton because she is so guilty in so many different ways she shouldn`t be allowed to run for president. Right there the system is rigged.
It may not be as rigged as I thought. Right? I think they will right the ship, folks. I think they will right the ship. And they are going save their great reputation by doing so.
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TODD: So there you go, 24 hours does make a changed man in Donald Trump. But it`s too soon to know if today`s development is big or ends up being a pin prick. Either way we probably won`t find out until after Election Day. One thing is for certain right now, it has been a month of surprises and this week, the hits just kept on coming negatively for the Clinton campaign and for Democrats on the ballot.
On Monday, it was the news that Obamacare premiums would go up. Then WikiLeaks continue to release information from the stolen emails. The big release, a dug banned memo about the Clinton foundation. A long time Bill Clinton aide, we found out sort of gave a road map of how both President Clinton`s personal finances and the Clinton fund-raising are kind of entangled and then this, the exclamation point.
The beginning of the week, it was looking like Clinton could lead away sweeping Democrats in the control of the House and Senate in a week. And now, down ballot Republicans have never felt better or at least haven`t felt this good since August.
The Clinton foundation story is hard to follow. The Obamacare issue can`t be directly tied to Clinton. But this one, email server, FBI investigation, that is wholly owned by Hillary Clinton.
Let`s move to the investigation itself. NBC News justice correspondent Pete Williams has been working the phones all day on this.
And Pete, I guess -- are we going to hear more from the FBI before Election Day?
PETE WILLIAMS, NBC NEWS JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: As a formal matter, no. But here is what we are told. This was discovered when the FBI began to investigate allegations that former congressman Anthony Wiener was sending inappropriate text messages and pictures to an underage girl. Now, as you know, Wiener was married to Huma Abedin who was a top aide to Hillary Clinton when she was at the state department and continues to be a close advisor in the campaign.
What they discovered in looking at Anthony Wiener`s laptop, one laptops that he used to communicate with the young girl, they discovered that Huma Abedin also used that laptop. And that on that laptop were some emails between Huma Abedin and Hillary Clinton. So now they have to look at those emails and decide whether there is classified information in them. And if so, whether that changes the conclusion about whether a crime was committed here in using a private email server to transmit the information.
That`s the sum and substance of it, we were told. No conclusion yet about whether any of those documents and any of those e-mails contained classification information. That is all to be determined. This is at the very early stage here. So thousands of emails on the computer to examine. Now they have to go get court process to get the right to look at those emails. Because remember, this investigation of Wiener was focused solely on the texts that he sent to an underage girl. So now they have to go back and get legal process to take a wider look at these emails and begin that process.
You said earlier, this probably won`t be wrapped up before Election Day. Scratch probably.
TODD: Let me ask you this, Pete. You just gave all this information. Why was that in Comey`s letter to the Senate judiciary committee?
WILLIAMS: Well, the FBI has never publicly acknowledged that it is investigating Wiener`s texting and sexting. We reported that based on information that we have discovered, NBC News has, I should say. But the FBI has never disclosed that investigation. So in essence, they were following the rules of how they don`t discuss pending investigations and that`s I think the reason.
TODD: Is he aware of how now he may be having an outsized role in the election outcome?
WILLIAMS: Well, yes. Of course they are. They obviously thought about that, but they think that, you know, whenever something like this happens before an election, in any of these cases over the years, it`s always damned if you do, damned if you don`t is their view.
Having told Congress the investigation was more or less over and there was nothing else to look at and all that was left to do was administrating wrapping it up. Comey felt if he didn`t tell Congress now about this material, that after the election, people would say why didn`t you tell us before the election? Now, you know, you waited until afterwards to tell us. On the other hand he writes this letter before the election and they just felt there was no good way to do it. No good way and that he just should be transparent.
TODD: He, I think he has definitely figured out how to make everybody mad at this point, a partisans on both side.
Let me ask you this question here because you were saying they appear to be emails between Huma Abedin and Hillary Clinton. Huma Abedin had a security clearance. What could they find on here? I mean, essentially, they chose not to recommend prosecution in part, you tell me, but in part because they determined - well, everybody that was communicating on this insecure server at least had a security clearance. So what would change here? What could they find that would change things because I believe Huma had a security clearance, correct?
WILLIAMS: Well, if all that`s found on this laptop, first of all, assuming there are any emails between Huma Abedin and Hillary Clinton that contain classified information that went through Clinton`s private server, assuming that is the case, if all they do is find some more emails that contain classified information, then my guess would be and likely legal, he wouldn`t change anything because of the FBI`s conclusion that all the factors that were looked, the intent factor, the fact that everybody that was communicating had classified clearances. I would think if it`s just a member of them, maybe the sheer number might make a difference but if it`s just adding more, if it was x before and now it is x-plus something else, it likely won`t make a difference.
TODD: All right. Pete Williams, talk about the October surprises. And the drama that is campaign 2016. This is quite the plot twist.
Pete Williams, thanks very much.
And we bring the panel in. Rick Tyler, NBC News political analyst, former spokesperson for the Cruz campaign, Jamil Smith, senior national correspondent for MTV news and NBC senior politics editor Beth Fouhy.
Beth, you and I have covered the Clintons for very long time. In some ways, this feels awfully familiar. It`s sorted like there is it`s never - there is always something, just when it looks like they are going to have political success and something knocks them down and this feels that way. If you are in the Clinton campaign, how do you handle this?
BETH FOUHY, NBC NEWS SENIOR EDITOR: This has to be their ultimate nightmare. If Hillary Clinton could construct the nightmare, they could damage the campaign, this had to be it. The conflation of the email story and the Anthony Wiener sexting story. I listen to Pete describe how this came about. And the fact that Anthony Wiener is theoretically using a laptop to communicate with an underage girl sexting that also contains potentially classified information from Hillary Clinton. I mean, nobody could write this screen play and make it sound worse.
TODD: No. "House of Cards" would have been thrown out in the "House of Cards" routine.
The political impact feels like if you are a Senate Republican, I saw Richard Burr (ph) immediately put a statement. He is a member of the intelligence committee. It was a very professionalized statement but it goes on a tough reelection. You now have a closing argument, if you are a Republican, to say hey, you know, maybe this doesn`t change the presidential, but this could have a real impact on the ballot.
JAMIL SMITH, MTV NEWS SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, the question is if you are a Republican is can -- my opponent, you know, go forth trusting Hillary Clinton 100 percent. And I think that`s, you know, maybe a fair question to ask, but I certainly don`t think that, you know, if you are talking about the strictly presidential race, I think a lot of people made the decision. I mean, you know, there is just not that many undecided people yet. I mean, it is 11 days out and a lot of people have already voted. And they have already, you know, said, hey, Hillary Clinton is here. Maybe she has some professional, you know, either you want to call it scandals or inappropriate behavior, but you have Donald Trump who is just completely unfit for the presidency. I mean, I think, you know, when people look at what is actually on the ballot, I don`t think this is going to effect it all that much.
WILLIAMS: Rick, I still just - I mean, if you are James Comey, I mean, you have really just created your own political nightmare. And look, Hillary Clinton did this to herself. This private email sort of how channel, hard stuff. There is nothing the FBI has done here that seems to - it has made their -- he has tried to be a political and everything he has done has made him look political which I don`t think was obviously his intend.
RICK TYLER, NBC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, several things going on here. One thing I got to say that was really funny was the plane that Hillary Clinton was on the floor (ph) in Iowa, didn`t have Wi-Fi.
TODD: So they had no idea.
TYLER: So they had no idea. I mean, that just adds to it. The technical incompetence. And I know the feeling, right. The plane lands and your phone blows up. They are reopening the investigation. What?
Two, Trump had amazingly unrealistic expectations. He is saying that the FBI is going to fix this. Then they are going to correct everything you have done wrong and it`s a real problem. The FBI, everything they have done is extraordinary from they didn`t empanel the grand jury so they didn`t have subpoena powers. They are destroying states evidence. They are giving several Clinton senior advisers immunity and then dismissing the case in the, my God, I hope this press conference doesn`t come back to bite me.
TODD: Don`t forget the 302s which release after the fact which seem odd to do as well. Don`t forget that, too. I mean, nothing about it is normal.
TYLER: That was 16 letters to the congressional chairs and the minority leaders, right. Of course, those letters are going to be leaked. And basically, I mean, the FBI doesn`t want usually to investigate anything that is going to impact the election especially so close to an Election Day. That`s their policy. (INAUDIBLE). Two, they almost never discuss the ongoing election anyway which is why they never acknowledged the Anthony Wiener investigation at all. And now, as you say, he is in the middle of this as a political matter. But I have to say I think the impact is going to be marginal.
FOUHY: And here`s the thing, Chuck. One more thing. It seems to be the only thing that has brought both sides together in unanimity saying we need to know a little bit more for public -- .
TODD: John Cornyn put out a tweet going, why is this coming out 11 days before? I think his outrage was --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is he saying that?
TODD: Well, not now. And then he is going - well, Comey needs to answer that. I think some Republicans are wondering did you wait too late. And I think some Democrats are going, why did do you this?
FOUHY: Right. Their motivation is totally different --.
TODD: Either way. Exactly. I have to pause here because if I don`t go to break, my earpiece is going blow up in my ear. I promise, you - all of you are sticking around. Reaction today`s breaking news from the Trump campaign. And then later, we will hear from a Clinton supporter from Ohio. That`s all coming up on a very busy "MTP Daily" stay tuned.
TODD: Breaking campaign news today. Donald Trump says the candidate he is going to be wiring $10 million of his own money into his presidential campaign. And that wiring happened today, the news came just after final finance FEC campaign finance reports before election show that Trump was facing a bit of cash deficit in the final days of this race. Trump has just $16 million on hand compared that to Clinton`s $62 million on hand who are throwing the ten. That does cut into it a little bit. When you add in the candidate`s other fund-raising committee, the discrepancy does narrowed a bit. Team Trump has just over $67.5 million while team Clinton has $153. Again, add that 10 in there that will help you see that it is cutting it a little bit.
Those FEC filings also show that before today`s $10 million infusion, Trump had only given $30,000 to his campaign this month. Even with the new $10 million infusion, Trump has now given about $66 million to his campaign, most of it during the primary when he was funding and far short of $100 million. We are back with 60 seconds with a look at the last minute moves and what the Trump campaign thinks that today`s news will do to their chances to get to 270.
We will be right back.
TODD: Welcome back to "MTP Daily."
A busy day on the campaign trail. And you have one smiling candidate these days and that`s Donald Trump. So joining me on the set is Jason Miller, senior communications adviser to the Trump campaign.
We heard from Donald Trump. We heard from your candidate - by the way, welcome to the show. Just dive right in there. We heard from Donald Trump. Yesterday he thought the whole thing was rigged. Today, he feels better about it, but are you concerned that your candidate is overselling what the investigation might be? Why isn`t he just simply sticking to what has been reported.
JASON MILLER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR COMMUNICATIONS ADVISOR: Well, we felt pretty good for the last few days here. Mr. Trump is consistently been driving the message on repealing Obamacare, about cutting taxes, have been seeing the movement in the polls nationally and in a number of the battleground states.
So today`s development obviously was a, I think, a shock to everybody. But it really goes to what Mr. Trump has been saying all along. That there is a private Hillary Clinton and that there is a public Hillary Clinton. And the public Hillary Clinton doesn`t want to you see all the stuff that is going on behind the scenes. I think this FBI investigation which truly is a remarkable thing this late in the game for them to reopen an investigation.
TODD: And I wonder how do you feel about this? It`s interesting. I have seen reactions frankly from Democrats and Republicans all going what are you doing 11 days before with cryptic? Either tell us everything or tell us nothing. Where do you fall on this?
MILLER: Well, clearly, they found something. And that`s what we want to get to is --.
TODD: But do you think you need to get more out? Do you think it`s fair to the voter to just leave it out here like this or do you think the FBI needs to tell us everything before Election Day?
MILLER: We definitely think that FBI need to tell us what`s going on before the Election Day. People are voting. The election is coming up. People have a right to know who their representatives are and who is leading them in government. Clearly something big happened. This was not some small thing. Whatever they found and the fact it was with Huma and Anthony Wiener and Secretary Clinton, something stinks.
TODD: Yes. So 15 million people voted. Do you think this is fair to them?
MILLER: Look, the bottom line is we need to get the information out. And that`s why the FBI took the proper step. And it was good for them actually to go and, first of all, they should have brought charges the first time.
TODD: How do you know this? Why do you assume that? I mean, (INAUDIBLE), why you assume that?
MILLER: I mean, you had five people take the fifth in this investigation. You don`t take the fifth unless there has been criminality and something bod happened here, clearly.
TODD: That`s not what the fifth means.
TODD: You are leaping. Is that fair? You are leaping to a conclusion. You are saying everybody who took the fifth did something wrong?
MILLER: I got say in the house, five people from this investigation.
TODD: I have to say it didn`t look good, but are you not leaping to a conclusion?
MILLER: No, not at all.
MILLER: The American people deserve answers and need to know what`s going on. And again, it is not just -- this is the tip of the iceberg, Chuck. Look at the news yesterday with the $66 million that they are stirring towards Clinton, Inc. This is outright corruption where they are selling their office for personal gain. It`s terrible. We can`t have this, Chuck.
TODD: Let me ask you this. Donald Trump has put in $10 million. But there has been some concern with some people that support Trump that not enough Republican money has been helping Donald Trump. But instead, it is helping down the ballot. And now, some of that money is actually being used to say negative things about your candidate. Here is a new NRCC ad, a Republican ad paid for by the Republican Party in behalf of a Republican congressional candidate in Illinois. Take a look at them. I`m curious of your reaction.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bob Dold is rated one of the most bipartisan members of the Congress. And Dole is an independent voice who stood up to Donald Trump months ago.
BOB DOLD, INDEPENDENT VOICE: I think Donald Trump disqualified himself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bob Dold, a proven independent leader for Illinois.
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TODD: The national Republican Party is paying for an ad for Republican that trashes the Republican nominee.
MILLER: Donald Trump has never been the candidate of Washington. He is never going to be the candidate who is going to fight for Washington. He is fighting for the people for this trust.
TODD: Do you think that hurts you? Did you guys come up short?
TODD: Republicans essentially running against Trump, right. You got the situation in Utah, is that hurt -- do you feel like Republican candidates running against you in specific places hurts your ability to take maximum advantage of what`s going on right now?
MILLER: So that`s where I think you are wrong. The fact that right now, we have Republicans coming together. I saw Jason Chaffetz come onboard. So when he, quite frankly, had not been on board with Mr. Trump previously. We are seeing the number --.
TODD: Wait. He said he doesn`t endorse. He doesn`t support, but he votes. What do you count it? You count that as an endorsement?
MILLER: He knows what`s on the line. And Republicans, when they walk in there, even Republican who voted other candidates in the primary realize exactly what will happen if Hillary Clinton is in charge of Supreme Court picks, if she is increasing regulation, increasing taxes, making our country less safe, they are going to realize there is a -- this is a time of choosing, Chuck. And that`s why you see Republicans coming together and these battleground state. Numbers are looking really good. We are talking about Florida. And now, we are up four points in Florida in most recent surveys you saw.
TODD: It is interesting on the battleground right now but I`m curious on one hand you look, you guys, at Arizona. If you are in Arizona ten days before, someone say, my God, what is wrong with the Republicans? At the same time, Clinton campaign is sitting in Iowa and Ohio and Pennsylvania. They are clearly nervous about state that is normally in a winning ticket that you win. What do you make of the fact that both Arizona is in play and Democrats are concerned about Pennsylvania. Is this a different map?
MILLER: Well, it is a different map. It gives me the opportunity to talk about some other states where we are on offense. Not only we are on offense in Pennsylvania where we see the Clinton campaign spending heck a lot of time. Chuck, New Mexico is in play and Michigan is in play. We are going to win Iowa. The battleground --.
TODD: You are not on the air in Michigan. You are not in the air in New Mexico. Are you guys going to do that?
MILLER: There is real movement in the states.
TODD: And you guys are going to visit them? Are we going to see Trump and we are going to see the campaign activate?
MILLER: We already have it on the books for Michigan. We are looking at New Mexico. We haven`t made a formal announcement just yet, but you are looking where we are on offense. You look at Iowa. You look at the fact that New Hampshire and Maine too. These are, in fact, Mr. Trump is in New Hampshire and in Maine today and then in Iowa. So we are not getting enough credit for the fact that the Clinton campaign is playing defense on blue and purple states. We are on offense in blue and purple states.
TODD: I`m curious. A week ago, did you think this race was almost over? I mean, I`m just curious. A week ago, because it does feels like we are in a different place from a week ago. Did you think that?
MILLER: I want to tell you where you are wrong. Because Hillary Clinton is consistently had the ceiling in these battleground states where she keeps bumps up against maybe 42, 43, 44 percent. She can`t seem to break 45, you know, 46 percent.
TODD: And your guy struggles to break 40 in some of these places.
MILLER: But Hillary Clinton spend a couple hundred million dollars attacking Mr. Trump. She is the defector incumbent running for Obama`s third term. Everybody knows.
TODD: So you believe undecideds will end up go to your guy?
MILLER: Right. And we look at the makeup of the undecideds and they spew more heavily Republicans. So we felt good as folks are making their decisions. And they are watching this. Things like today`s news can`t give them a shot at confidence. In fact, that`s probably going to have --.
TODD: Speaking of today`s news, doe the candidate write more than a $10 million check if you need it?
MILLER: I will leave that to Mr. Trump.
TODD: Jason Miller, thanks for coming on. Good to see you. Stay safe on the trail, sir.
MILLER: Thanks, chuck.
TODD: So breaking news out of the Supreme Court. For the first time, justices will hear a case on the controversial issue of transgender bathroom access. The court will decide whether schools must follow federal guidance allowing students to choose a bathroom. The case is expected to come up in the next term, this term actually. The decision could impact also that HB2 bathroom law in North Carolina. Question is, how many Supreme Court justices are going to hear the case, eight or nine?
Up ahead, we will look at how all this is playing out in the battleground states, biggest races, including the most important battleground state of all, North Carolina. Stay tuned.
CHUCK TODD, "MEET THE PRESS DAILY" SHOW HOST: Welcome back for more now on today`s breaking news that the FBI will be reviewing new evidence that is related to the investigation into Hillary Clinton`s e-mails. I`m joining now by a Hillary Clinton supporter, Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio. Congressman Ryan. How are you, sir?
TIM RYAN, U.S. REPRESENTATIVE FOR OHIO`S 13TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: Good, Chuck. How are you doing?
TODD: I want to get your initial reaction. I`m good. I want to get your initial reaction to what the FBI said today and whether you think it was an appropriate action that they took.
RYAN: Well, I think there wasn`t a whole lot of explanation, you know. It was kind of like dropping a grenade in the middle of the room without any reason why or any explanation why. So, that`s where I think the concern comes in is give us a little more detail and now we are finding out if it`s something to do with Anthony Weiner which I don`t know exactly what the connection is there. But I`m thinking if nothing was found after this thorough investigation that you`re probably not gonna find anything related.
TODD: Let me give you that information. Apparently, it has to do with a laptop that belonged to Anthony Weiner that Huma Abedin, his estranged wife, did use to communicate with Secretary Clinton via e-mail. So, I just want to give you that.
RYAN: I`m just -- my own analysis is this is gonna be a very thorough investigation in which Secretary Clinton was completely vetted on this. And no charges were brought. There we are. So, you know, I think the timing is on, if anything.
TODD: Are you -- are you satisfied with how the FBI handled this?
RYAN: You know, that`s not for me to judge. We are 11 days out. I think our job now is to continue to do what we have been doing when it comes to the campaign, you know. But obviously, I thought when -- when Comey made a decision and both sides of mad, you got to respect what he has done, you know. Even if you may not like it or you may not like some aspects of it, you got to respect what he has done. And so, you know, this is part of the judicial process, if you will.
And while it`s very inconvenient, you have to respect it. But the bottom line is it`s not gonna change anything in this election. Trump is gonna run and tweet and tell his supporters about this. The Clint people are gonna continue to support her. And most people are gonna roll their eyes. And it`s gonna just be another story about e-mails. And they`re gonna stop paying attention. And the election is gonna go forward.
TODD: It has been -- it has been a rough week of headlines. If you are a democrat running down the ballot, the Obamacare premium news and more on the WikiLeaks including a very detailed memo about how president -- former President Clinton earned his money on the Clinton foundation and then now this. Do you think this hurt democrats` chances down the ballot to make inroads in the house and the senate?
RYAN: I don`t think so. You know, I`m considered myself a news junkie, and you obviously are as well, but most people in Youngstown, Ohio, Chuck, are not paying as close of attention to this as we are. They`re working. Their kids are playing flag football. They have lives outside of this that they pay more attention to.
And I think they are coming to make their decision on whether or not they think Donald Trump is stable enough to be the president of the United States versus Hillary Clinton with all of her experience and education and all of her life`s work. That`s ultimately how they are gonna make that decision.
And it`s coming down to that. Can be one Donald Trump to have his finger on the button. And the answer ultimately is gonna be no. But we got to do the groundwork work here in Ohio and get our people out to vote.
TODD: You did remind it is flag football playoff weekend in Arlington, Virginia. I can tell you that. My son`s team is a little bit of an underdog. Let me ask you this, Congressman Ryan. You brought up Youngstown. Donald Trump is doing perhaps better than Barack Obama in some parts of Ohio -- better than Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is doing a lot better than Mitt Romney in parts of Ohio. There clearly are Obama-Trump voters. How do you explain it?
RYAN: I think initially, Trump touched upon a couple of issues that resonated with people on trade and income inequality. But what happened and I think you seen Hillary move four or five points in Ohio just in the last week or so is the message that I`ve been bringing and Senator Sherrod Brown has been bringing and our friends in labor and the progressive groups down in rank and file.
We`ve talked about what Trump`s business dealings have really been like. So while there was an initial flirtation with Trump, you are seeing the numbers move because they are realizing he outsources and ships the products in from China just like he says he`s gonna help us with. He has not paid building trade workers, plumbers, pipe fitters.
In fact, I`m going to AFL-CIO (ph)right now in Boardman. There will be a thousand building and construction trade union members there. Their equivalents in Atlantic City never got paid by Donald Trump. That message is starting to get out. And so while there was an initial flirtation with Trump, this message is getting out and Hillary Clinton`s numbers as you have seen in the last week or so have moved significantly in Ohio.
TODD: I`m curious with all the stuff that came out via WikiLeaks, has it given you a progressive pause that maybe she is not as devoted -- she is not set in stone for instance against TPP as she said?
RYAN: Well, not at all. I am not the least bit concerned. I think Hillary Clinton is gonna be as progressive as the current political structure meaning house and senate will allow her to be. She will push it as far as she can. And when it comes to trade, we got to create a new trade model.
We`ve seen what happened in Northern Ohio, down the Ohio River and down the great lake states and other places in the in the south as well. Tennessee, Alabama, other places. We need a new model and so we need someone like Hillary Clinton who is very progressive I think in her life`s work as dictated to create this new model. Someone who can actually sit down and go through the details, you know, that has an attention span longer than 30 seconds.
That`s gonna be important when we are trying to write the new trade deals and what they look like with labor, with environment, and some of these other standards. I am not the least bit concerned of anything that I`ve seen that would question my commitment to Hillary Clinton or question her commitment to these progressive values. Not at all.
TODD: That`s crazy that you think there should be nuance discussions on policy when you guys are writing and I`m shocked. Congressman Tim Ryan.
RYAN: There are few of us left, Chuck.
TODD: I hear you. Congressman Tim Ryan, I appreciate you coming on. Thanks very much.
RYAN: Thanks. Go Tribe!
TODD: There you go. All right. We will be watching. There is more on the e- mail story. We`ll have that just ahead. And of course if it`s Sunday, it`s "Meet the Press" this Sunday. We will check in with the Trump campaign and their last minute efforts. We will see how they can turn the presidential race around if they can and if there is time. Stay tuned.
TODD: Every cycle there is one super battleground state, in 2016, that state is North Carolina, the epicenter of the culture wars. In presidential race, North Carolina is essential in almost any path for the White House for Donald Trump. Presidential and vice presidential candidates have made eight stops in North Carolina just since Sunday.
Then of course in senate race which can determine which party controls the entire chamber next one. Let`s just say this one is highly dependent on the presidential race. For better or worse, Senator Richard Burr hit the campaign to Trump in the last month. Like he said at a rally on Saturday, there is not a separation between me and Donald Trump. And finally, there is that gubernatorial race in North Carolina which perhaps surprisingly is widely insulated from the presidential campaign.
The republican incumbent is still in trouble there. Race for the day, theme of the election is HB2, that so called bathroom bill signed by republican governor Pat McCrory in March. Governor is taking fire from civil rights groups and the North Carolina business community after company`s halted expansion in the state over the law. But does Pat McCrory got a little bit of an image rehabilitation during the cleanup after hurricane Matthew.
Joining me now on the state of the campaign in North Carolina is Jim Morrill, political reporter for the Charlotte Observer and of course an authority, probably the best authority of North Carolina politics these days. Jim Morrill, welcome back to the show, sir.
JIM MORRILL, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR THE CHARLOTTE OBSERVER: Thank you, Chuck.
TODD: So, let`s start very quickly. Before getting into the governor`s race, there was so much early voting in North Carolina and here`s this gigantic sort of October surprise headline. We don`t know how much detail behind it there is with the FBI. Is this -- is there enough votes that has not voted in North Carolina where it could change or something like this could change the outcome of where things are headed?
MORRILL: You know, it could, but I`m not sure it will. I think over a million people have voted already early. That should be about a quarter of all the people who are gonna vote. So it`s a pretty size and just today, the number of early voting sites across the states nearly doubled.
There is over 400 now and so what the democrats are saying is we haven`t even seen the democratic performance yet since a lot haven`t opened but they will and will be opened this weekend. So far, democrats have been under performing a little bit based on the registration. Republicans have been over-performing but I would expect that to change.
TODD: Interesting on that. Did you just say democrats are under-performing and republicans are over-performing because every analysis out there is giving the advantage to the democrats when you combine early voting and absentee ballots?
MORRILL: Well, I think that democrats will win the early voting race. They have for the last few cycles. Republicans do better obviously on election day. Democrats have to run up their numbers in early voting and the numbers that were -- that I`ve seen this morning said that democrats are a little bit below their numbers.
TODD: Interesting. What -- what is driving the political landscape in North Carolina more? HB2 or Trump-Clinton?
MORRILL: You know, I think both of those things are factors. Certainly, a lot of people -- most people are focused on the presidential race. You talked about HB2 and the supreme court. There are couple of things that happened this week that brought HB2 back to mind for a lot of people. One was that in Charlotte, there was a company that would have employed 700 people which decided to move to Richmond instead of Charlotte because of HB2. In Wake County in Raleigh, there is a republican legislator who said he would repeal HB2. He sort of broken ranks with other republicans. He has a very competitive district there.
TODD: Very interesting.
MORRILL: . and so he has run a race on repeal.
TODD: Last question here before I got to go. They were actually speaking of e-mails. I believe that your news organization and rally news observe together. It turns out that originally, the governor was against HB2 but went ahead and signed it. That was the words of the governor`s council. Does that help or hurt Governor McCrory?
MORRILL: Well, I think that would hurt him a little bit. I think that would hurt him with people who wanted HB2 and defended HB2 because it showed that he was not necessarily all in favor of it even though he did sign it. The council said that the governor fought it with the republican legislators unsuccessfully.
TODD: But he won`t get any benefit from those who want it repealed?
MORRILL: I don`t think so.
TODD: Interesting. Jim Morrill, I got to leave it there. It has been a busy day. I appreciate your time. North Carolina, you are the epicenter. We have been following you very closely. We will have much more on today`s Clinton e-mail news and how voters are reacting to it just ahead.
TODD: Donald Trump has been trolling Anthony Weiner about e-mails for sometime. We will explain after the break. That`s coming up in "The Lid." We`ll be right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to find out what`s going on. It`s alarming because, you know, with these two candidates, we`ve never had anything like this before, with this much dirt being slung both ways. So, I`m very interested to find out what the Department of Justice has to say with this investigation.
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TODD: Time for "The Lid." That was a Hillary Clinton supporter in Florida today, basically hitting the pause button on early voting, wanting more information. Rick Tyler and Jamil Smith are back, joined now by Hallie Jackson, my colleague who covers the Trump campaign. So, Hallie, I`ll let you fire in. We`ve heard from Jason Miller. We know that they believe this is the best thing to happen to them.
HALLIE JACKSON, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: The greatest thing ever.
TODD: Ever at this point. You know, it is interesting to me, Trump -- maybe you stumble into good luck. Trump has actually been trolling Anthony Weiner for a year on this issue.
JACKSON: Right, right.
TODD: Take a listen to what he said last July about this.
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DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PARTY NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT OF U.S.: Why are they giving Hillary Clinton briefings? Because it`s going to get revealed. I mean her number one person, Huma Abedin, is married to Anthony Weiner who`s a sleazeball and a pervert. And I`m not saying that -- I mean, that`s recorded history, right? I don`t like Huma going home at night and telling Anthony Weiner all of these secrets, okay?
(END VIDEO CLIP) TODD: Well, that isn`t what happened. We now know it`s a laptop that belongs to Anthony Weiner that she used to e-mail with Hillary Clinton.
JACKSON: But you remember when the first time he said this, Chuck? I do because I think I was there. It was a backyard event in the primaries in New Hampshire or Massachusetts a year ago. And it was memorable because he was talking about Huma Abedin and he pronounced it the way he did there, Uma, and he was very vigorous in it and reporters were kind of looking at each other like "wow, this is a different campaign."
How long ago that seems, you know, now, but this is a line that he has been pushing for such a long time. And I think his campaign -- it feels very validating now and I think you saw that in some of the comments that he made in New Hampshire earlier this afternoon when he said, maybe the system isn`t that rigged.
TODD: It may turn out be be what Pete (ph) describe it as more of the same, trolling Anthony Weiner in there, and you know some voters are thinking, why do the Clintons surround -- why do they end up surrounded by some of these guys. Is she going to get judged by the people she keeps company with or Huma keeps company with?
JAMIL SMITH, MTV NEWS SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You have Trump calling him a sleazeball and a pervert. I mean, he should know, frankly. You have a guy that republicans have nominated that is alleged to have done a lot of the same things -- maybe not necessarily sexting with a 15-year-old girl.
SMITH: There`s a reason.
TODD: That is a horrendous thing.
SMITH: But some of the allegations that have been thrown at Donald Trump`s way, you know, frankly should have him pretty silent about the content of this investigation. Maybe the one thing that they can exploit is the fact that you can`t maybe trust Hillary Clinton, and I think we saw that with that Hillary Clinton voter in Orlando. But I think, you know, really to get into the details and the muck is not good for him.
TODD: Rick, this is what you wonder here, does Trump overplay a hand? You think he already has? RICK TYLER, NBC NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, but that`s typical. Look, it is the greatest thing that ever happened to their campaign. And, you know, the Clintons have had a terrible week, they`ve had a horrible week, and it`s one thing after another. But somehow he defeats the week. So if you`re a Trump supporter and you`re excited, let`s hope that he can stick to a message and let`s hope that he can use this. It`s a great thing. It reinforces Clinton`s worst vulnerability.
TODD: Hallie, the only thing that makes me question, it tells me, I think of the race was before today, sometimes it`s how enthusiastic one side is to grab on to a headline is a tell of how much they were -- there`s something about how quickly basically the entire republican party jumped on this. Wonders like, oh, my God, they need a lifeline and maybe they got it but they were looking for one badly.
JACKSON: And they think this is one. Within an hour of this news breaking we heard from almost every republican leader.
TODD: Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell.
JACKSON: The list goes on. Trump went on.
TODD: Donald Trump says something controversial, those guys are cricket.
JACKSON: He`s 20 minutes early for this rally. He came at 1:40 just to be able to talk about this and capitalize this.
TODD: By the way, Barack Obama is late.
TYLER: It`s about the down-ballot races because this is a lifeline for them and this is actually a good messaging that if Hillary Clinton is elected, we`re gonna need something to counterbalance Hillary Clinton and that is.
SMITH: I then say hey, this is a preview of how a Donald Trump administration would handle news like this. We don`t know all the facts, we don`t know the details, and yet they`ve gone and made their own conclusions.
TYLER: But he`s going to pivot.
SMITH: Right. 11 days, right?
JACKSON: We don`t say the "P" word.
TODD: You don`t say the "P" word anymore.
TODD: I think the "P" word is one of those words. It should be ostracized.
JACKSON: Banned forever.
TODD: From political lexicon anyway. Three of you, I appreciate very much. Rick, Jamil, Hallie, all of you, go back to work. After the break, what they`re doing for Halloween at the White House. Come on, we have to have a light moment here, right? Keep it right here.
TODD: Last thing tonight in case you missed it, the White House is doubling as a haunted house for Halloween. Teddy Roosevelt is spooking folks in the grand foyer while Abigail Adams with her arms outstretched eternally, hangs laundry apparently in the east room. Of course today`s White House tours are getting entertained by actors, but over the decades, visitors, staff members and even sitting presidents from Taft to Reagan have reported strange noises, unexplained phenomenon and ghost sightings. President Abraham Lincoln has the most common apparition.
Of course, most recently, I think Abraham Lincoln was killing vampires, I think, on behalf of moviegoers, as a former president. Enjoy Halloween. We will see you on Halloween, but first - With All Due Respect starts right now.
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