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Texas, Arizona "pause" reopenings TRANSCRIPT: 6/25/20, All in w/ Chris Hayes

Guests: Ruben Gallego, Richard Besser, Nancy Pelosi

JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: And that does it for me. I`ll be joining Lawrence O`Donnell on "THE LAST WORD" a little bit later tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern, so be sure to tune in for that. But don`t go anywhere, "ALL IN" with Chris Hayes is up next.


CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Tonight, on ALL IN. National emergency, the pandemic crisis is getting worse and the President is moving to kick Americans off their health insurance.

JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I cannot comprehend the cruelty that`s driving him to inflict this pain on the very people he`s supposed to serve.

HAYES: Tonight, record numbers of new Coronavirus cases. How states announcing a pause on reopening. Then another shocking death in police custody caught on tape in Tucson. Three North Carolina officers fired after their racist rants were caught on tape. And I`ll talk to Speaker Nancy Pelosi about tonight`s big vote on police reform.

Plus, the new battleground polling that should frighten President Trump. Nate Cohn of the New York Times will break it all down when ALL IN starts right now.


HAYES: Good evening from New York, I`m Chris Hayes. We are in the midst of a national outbreak again, this time even more widespread than the outbreak we went through back in March and April. And the president who got bored of the virus and decided to sacrifice public health for the sake of the economy and his reelection, may not end up succeeding with any of it.

In Arizona, where they`re experiencing one of the worst surges in the country, probably the worst, a record number of patients were hospitalized yesterday, and cases continued to climb with 20 percent testing positive. Governor Doug Ducey announcing today the state is on pause and admitting the worst is yet to come.


GOV. DOUG DUCEY (R-AZ): This is Arizona`s first wave, and this will not be our last wave. We expect that our numbers will be worse next week and the week following in terms of cases and hospitalizations.


HAYES: The largest hospital in Texas had 100 percent capacity in its Intensive Care Unit today as the state hit a new record high of nearly 6,000 cases. California set back to back records this week from the most daily new cases of COVID, and hospitalizations are surging there as well up 32 percent over the last 14 days.

Florida recorded more than 5,000 new cases today for the second day in a row marking its second-highest daily increase. And those states Florida, California, Texas, Arizona, those are just the big ones everyone is focusing on right now. But Alabama for instance, Alabama also just set a record high for most new cases in one day, over 1,000.

Arkansas saw a surge in both cases and hospitalizations over the last 24 hours. Today in Mississippi, there were nearly 1100 new cases nearly doubling yesterday`s total. In fact, the top health official in the state of Mississippi says he is "absolutely terrified we`re going to overwhelm health care system.

New cases are now increasing in 29 states. That`s more than half the country going in the wrong direction. And so, even in states that were proud or boastful about opening early, like Texas where Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick said older people would be willing to die in service of the economy. Look at what`s starting to happen.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott announced today he is pausing the state`s reopening which is really a notable step from someone who has staked his political reputation on opening up Texas for business. The governor also signed an executive order today suspending elective surgeries in four counties, including Dallas, to make sure there are enough beds available for COVID patients.

And as we have been noting for months, no amount of cheerleading from any governor, no amount of economic reopening is going to make people do stuff if they don`t feel it`s safe. If you don`t believe that, just look at this. Look at restaurant reservations in Houston. See that over there in the end where it takes a nosedive over recent days? That`s because there`s an outbreak in Houston. That`s without any government action or closing anything back down. They didn`t close the restaurants. People stopped going to them.

Of course, that makes sense. We saw this the first time around. People change their behavior before official lockdowns even started. You cannot force people into an unsafe situation in the midst of an outbreak. There`s no economy when you have a virus out of control. We have already learned this lesson. And now apparently, we have to relearn it.

Private Sector actors are starting to make their moves in response. Apple is reclosing 14 stores in Florida it had opened in addition to 18 stores that already closed across Texas and several other states where cases are rising. Disneyland announced that they`re reopening scheduled for July 17 has been pushed back indefinitely.

Even the most socially distance sport you could imagine, golf, has players now withdrawing from a tournament after players and caddies both tested positive. Now the Republican Party is still pushing for an in person indoor convention in Jacksonville, Florida, despite most of the city opposing it. But do you really think that`s going to happen if cases continue to grow at the rate they are now in Florida for weeks to come?

We have the worst response in the world to this pandemic, except for maybe Brazil. This is a picture, a picture of our failure. We went down a little bit. We started to get it under control under tremendous sacrifice that you made, and we all made together as citizens and civil society, and it was squandered by our leadership, and we`re going right back up again. All of that sacrifice, all of that pain and suffering, all of that staying indoors, they threw it all away.

It`s not just that though. It`s not just the President has botched this from the very beginning. He has actively made it worse. And today, today with a pandemic, that is sickened two million of our fellow Americans, we`re more likely 10 times that number according to new estimates from the CDC, a pandemic has killed over 120,000 Americans and counting day by day, that has overwhelmed our healthcare system, that sent our doctors to the edge of nervous breakdowns, inspired fear and anger and anguish and mourning, today the President`s trying to rip away health care coverage from millions of people.

The Trump administration was expected to file brief by today`s deadline asking the Supreme Court to declare the Affordable Care Act illegal.


BIDEN: If Donald Trump has his way, those who have complications from COVID-19 could become the new pre-existing conditions. Some survivors will experience lasting health impacts like lung scarring and heart damage. And if Donald Trump prevails in court, insurers would be allowed once again to strip away coverage, jack up premiums simply because of the battle they survived in fighting Coronavirus.


HAYES: Now, at the crisis level right, putting aside moral considerations. Just politically, do you think it`s a good idea to try to take everyone`s healthcare away, change the fundamental structure of American healthcare in the midst of a pandemic?

Well, the President`s failure is not going unnoticed by the American public. More pulling out today from New York Times shows him heading right now as of this moment towards a historic blow-out loss, losing in states he carried in 2016 like Arizona, the state that`s looking worse and worse for Republicans. And it cannot be helping that the republican governor there is now overseeing what is pretty clearly the worst outbreak in the country.

I`m joined now by Democratic Congressman Ruben Gallego of Arizona who`s calling on his state`s Governor Doug Ducey to deployed the Arizona National Guard to assist with testing. Congressman, thank you so much for taking some time. Tell me about how things look in your state from your perspective.

REP. RUBEN GALLEGO (D-AZ): It look horrible from my perspective. I have families that are waiting six to 10 hours to have COVID test. I have some damage are driving two hours to Phoenix to try to get a COVID test. These are the people that were called essential workers that were forced to go back. The people that worked in groceries, that worked in restaurants, people that worked in our meat factories, meat plant factory, and we`re essentially forced out.

And now you have a double whammy of them being infected, or them not being tested. And at the same time, we have an administration is trying to take away any chance they have to affordable health care. It`s just -- it`s a travesty. I can`t believe it`s happening.

And then you have a governor that basically has shown no leadership, if anything has caused it to go even further south because he just wanted to make sure that Donald Trump had a strong reopening for his economy and not worried about the public health problems of Arizona.

HAYES: You know, the testing, we`ve gotten -- I`ve been hearing a lot of stories about testing in Arizona and one thing is we -- you know, testing capacity in the country has expanded extremely rapidly over the last you know, several weeks, right? It was it was terrible. It`s grown quite a bit.

But one of the things we`re seeing is that if there`s a mismatch between supply and demand, like, my understanding is, it`s not easy to get a test right now in Arizona. Is that -- is that the case?

GALLEGO: It`s not. And we actually went through a pretty strong shut down that was forced upon this governor, but he finally did it. And instead of properly planning the whole time, you know, to get us ready out of this to, you know, slowly phase it in and actually bring testing online, he rushed us open. And this is what happened.

You know, we have a saying in the Marine Corps. Piss poor planning produces piss poor performance. And the performance here, unfortunately, is that we`re going to lose a lot of lives. And by the way, I`d like to point out the reason this even hurts more specifically for me, is that this is my district, and the zip codes with the lowest income in the country -- in the state, I should say, have the highest growth in COVID-19, and that`s that.

That`s because those are the people that went out and worked essential workers, were forced to work around other people without masks because there was no mandate, no leadership from this government, no leadership from this president, and then went back and affected their families. And those are largely poor Latino families. And that`s on Governor Ducey, and that`s on the president of the United States.

HAYES: What is the masking situation? The governor has not put it in a mandated mask and there have not been local ordinances until he reversed himself, showed up at a press conference with a mask, allowed local ordinances. I mean, the mask at this point is essentially the moonshot. It`s the only -- it`s kind of the only thing we have. If we can get to 100 percent mask compliance, maybe we can -- we can avoid the worst of what might be coming. What does that look like in Arizona right now?

GALLEGO: Well, where it is actually being implemented, it is being enforced, and I`m very proud of Arizona for going out there and largely doing it. But the governor took the coward`s way out. He essentially said we`re going to let the local city councils and mayors make those decisions, knowing that the Democratic mayors of the city will largely take the hit, but at the same time avoiding the ire of a lot of these big urban areas that are controlled by Republican city councils. That`s not responsible.

People come back and forth between these cities, they work in different cities, they eat in different ways. And the fact that he`s not willing to take the political courage that he needs, the step that he needs to create a full mask mandate really is, you know, it`s essentially a bad move, right. And it`s a lack of leadership and the lack of courage from this governor, and it`s largely due because he`s taking cues from the -- from the president.

You know, today he had this very dramatic press conference about how he has decided this is going really sideways. Well, where was -- where was he two days ago? Two days ago, he was in a crowded area with the President of the United States without a mask mandate being enforced inside that area.

So you know, his crocodile tears aren`t working anymore. He needs to step up and be a leader and not just try to put on these you know, performance art that he tries.

HAYES: Final question for you, Congressman. I mean, we showed that data from Houston. We see that behavior. People do take -- you know, have a rational sense of risk here. I mean, there -- in your district, are there restaurants open up? Like people are going to -- are people going to bars? Is that still happening?

GALLEGO: In certain areas there, there certainly was that attitude. This governor opened up right before Memorial Day. So right before Memorial Day, in Scottsdale, one of our tourist areas of the state, we had packed bars and clubs. And because technically they serve food at these clubs, they were open -- they`re able to operate.

There`s no social distancing. There`s no enforcement by the city of Scottsdale, there`s no enforcement by the Department of Health Services. It was -- it was ridiculous and there was a lot of outbreak that occurred from that. So in some other areas, in my downtown area, I`ve seen a lot of restaurants that have been very safe inside not to reopen or open with social distancing guidelines.

But at the end of the day, we`re basically going to have to go at some point through either a formal shutdown or informer shutdown. And we all warned the governor about this. We actually said that this would be extremely dangerous. But if you don`t control the public health -- the public health problem and force a quick opening, you`re going to end up creating a second shutdown where it`s going to be even more devastating to the economy, because then nobody would trust the government when it said it`s time to go back out. This government failed us. The President failed us.

HAYES: Congressman Ruben Gallego, of the state of Arizona, we`re all thinking about you and pulling for you in your state there. Thank you for your time tonight.

GALLEGO: Thank you.

HAYES: Now, for more in the state of Arizona, let`s turn to Dr. Richard Besser, the former Acting Director of the CDC. And they`re -- you know, doctor, there`s something that`s just excruciatingly both tragic and maddening about this, which is that the CDC developed guidelines. Those guidelines were then ignored by the president. He urged states to open up. Many of the states opened up -- opened up in defiance of the guidelines. And now here, we are with an outbreak.

I mean, does this look -- I guess, does this look as bad to you right now numbers wise in trajectory as it looks to me and as it sounds when I read the numbers off?

RICHARD BESSER, FORMER ACTING DIRECTOR, CDC: You know, Chris, what really concerns me is this clash of messages where you hear every public health leader in the nation talking about this being early days in the pandemic, that the steps we take as individuals in terms of wearing masks and handwashing and keeping six feet apart and staying home when were sick, that these things really, really matter. That what we do as a society in terms of helping to protect essential workers, and making sure that everyone has a safe place to quarantine if they need to. That`s the message from public health.

But some political leaders are out there saying the opposite, that there`s nothing to worry about, go back to work, go back to your social life, that this is overblown. What we do now as a society will determine how many people lose their lives over the course of this pandemic over the course of the fall. The curves look really frightening.

And when I see the national numbers, I very quickly want to -- want to dive down into the local numbers, because that`s where you`re going to really see who`s getting hit the hardest. What we`ve seen in the pandemic, so far, Black Americans, Latino Americans, Native Americans dying at rates that far exceed their percentage of the population.

And if we`re not looking at the data, not just at Arizona at the high level, but break it down, looking at city, look at neighborhoods, you look and see who`s not getting access to tests and what`s happening there because that`s really heartbreaking because you`re going to see disparate impact in each of those communities.

HAYES: One -- there`s a piece in Stat News today, which does great coverage of this about the sort of the kind of human impulse towards denial that everything is going to be fine and how powerful that is and how the slow fuse of this virus takes advantage of that. And it really does someone today screenshotted a front-page New York Times and said it feels like April, again, that there`s this deja vu feeling which we remember how slow it was, you know, through February and March, we know community transmission was happening, that fuse burn for a long time.

And then the virus was on us and we were in the midst of a catastrophe, a national shutdown, and healthcare systems melting down. And it does feel like we have recreated this. You know, in the Memorial Day and then a week later, it was fine. Two weeks later, it was fine. Three weeks later, it`s fine. And then suddenly, it`s not fine.

BESSER: You know, one of -- one of the real challenges there is that we`re not hearing from CDC every day in terms of, well, what normally happens in the pandemic. Because in a pandemic, what you`re going to see is in some states at one time it`s getting -- they`re going to get hit really hard, and then things are put under control and public health measures are followed, and then another area, things will pick up and then you`ll have to implement measures there.

And so, what we`re seeing around the nation, and we saw New York, New Jersey, the area that I`m in, get hit really hard early on, but some states not hit -- get hit at all. And instead of hearing from public health officials who said, just wait, it`s going to come, you have to be ready, you have to collect data, you have to be sure that your essential workers are protected. Instead, you`re hearing a lot of messages of this is overblown. It`s not going to happen here. And what we`re seeing now is it`s happening there.

HAYES: Final question for you. The President has done two events in the last week. He went to Tulsa, Oklahoma inside a larger arena, indoors, unmasked, at a megachurch in Yuma, Arizona. We have reporting now that members of his Secret Service have been quarantined, that there`s advance staff that that had tested positive and that members of Secret Service are quarantined. What kind of message does that send to the nation when you`re trying to get a unanimity, a consensus message about public health measures?

BESSER: I mean, it`s so important that people understand the risk of a mass -- of a mass gathering, pulling people together from all over the country into one place even with masks. You know, I worry, Chris, that people put too much faith into a mask, that you can wear a mask and do anything. That`s not true.

It adds a little protection, but you still need to have social distancing and hand washing. You still need to be keeping six feet away. You need to make sure -- you know the pieces that really worry me is that for so many people in America who are tested positive, and their contacts, they don`t have the ability to isolate safely at home.

And we`re not supporting public health, we`re not seeing the federal dollars coming down to ensure that everybody can isolate or quarantine in a safe way so that one case in the community doesn`t lead to another outbreak that overwhelms our healthcare system and puts our health care workers and other essential workers at such great risk. We can do this if we unite as a nation. We can overcome this.

HAYES: Well, Dr. Richard Besser, thank you so much for your time tonight.

BESSER: Thank you. Thanks very much.

HAYES: Next, one month after the death of George Floyd, the House is voting right now on a new police reform bill that bears his name. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi joins me on tonight`s big vote and more after this.


HAYES: Right now, as I speak, the House is voting on a new police reform bill, the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. The bill was named for George Floyd, the 46-year-old black man who died one month ago today after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck in plain view of people recording with their phones for nearly nine minutes.

The act being voted on by the House would ban the use of chokeholds and some no-knock warrants at the federal level and encourage state and local governments to do the same. It create a national registry to track police misconduct to keep -- help keep offenders from just moving to new job after new job, something that happens quite often.

Crucially, the bill would end qualified immunity for police officers, a legal shield from personal liability while on the job. The second piece of major legislation the House has passed in the last six weeks or so including a multi-trillion-dollar Coronavirus rescue package known as the Heroes Act, though that bill has not been taken up in Mitch McConnell`s Senate.

Joining me now is a person who engineered the passage of both those bills, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Do you have -- Speaker, do you have any hope that this -- if it passes tonight, would move, be taken up by Mitch McConnell, particularly after Democrats filibustered the Republican version of police reform in that chamber?

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): Well, first of all, thank you for presenting some of the provisions of the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. Yes, as we speak, people are voting. When I leave here, I`ll go there to vote, and to gavel the passage of that important legislation.

Also, what we voted tonight was the republicans put forth, the Senate Bill. 100 percent of the Democrats voted against that toothless bill with so many shortcomings. A few Republicans have voted with us on that. But this is a historic day for us one month -- one month since the sad death, eight minutes 46 seconds, I can`t breathe. We`ll never forget that.

And since then, hundreds of thousands of people in the streets, day in and day out, week in and week out saying, enough is enough. That`s what George Floyd`s brother said when he came to testify at the Judiciary Committee. That we would hope, as Lincoln said, public sentiment is everything, that the Republicans will catch the spark of the public sentiment in our country where people overwhelmingly support the provisions of this legislation and think enough is enough of the brutality.

We don`t pay every police officer, first responder with the same brush, but we do need to correct the behavior of those who would engage in brutality as they`re supposed to be protecting the people.

HAYES: When you say enough is enough, I know the complaints about the system run wide and deep, and they vary from place to place. But, you know, there are some who say this isn`t enough, that this particular piece of legislation wouldn`t have, for instance prevented officer Chauvin from kneeling on the neck of George Floyd. Do you see this as the beginning of a longer march in terms of reforming public safety in America?

PELOSI: Well, I do think that we need to do more. This addresses police brutality. And I`m so pleased that it has the support of Eric Garner`s mother, Tamir Rice`s mother, John Crawford`s mother, those who have lost their lives because of police brutality. We have some other issues that we have to deal with. But in terms of justice in policing, this goes a long way down the road, and it is very effective, and it gets the job done.

Again, I hope that public sentiment will change the minds of some in the Senate. Because to do nothing -- well, let`s be hopeful. Let`s hope that the Senate -- we passed our bill. It`s bipartisan. Some Republicans voted for it. In the Senate, it`s time for them to sit down together and pass -- prepare a bill that can pass the Senate. They haven`t done that so far. And in the house, we have rejected overwhelmingly, unanimously and with Republican support the Senate bill earlier this evening.

HAYES: Obviously, the other --

PELOSI: But it`s interesting because some of the anger is also springing from other injustices that need to be addressed. And one of them is the disparity of death in the Coronavirus, and the Coronavirus pandemic. To have -- we have in the Heroes Act that you mentioned. The answer, testing, testing, testing.

We don`t have a vaccine or we don`t have a cure. God willing, we pray that science will get us that soon. But we do have an answer, to test, to trace, to treat, and to isolate. At the same time, as what`s just suggested, wear the mask, wash your hands, isolate, keep your distance so that -- so that we can kill this virus.

And at the same time, I`m a temporal marker, at the same time, as we`re in a pandemic, the president isn`t going to be in the Supreme Court today, Republicans are already there to overturn the Affordable Care Act to take health care away from over 20 million people, the benefit for pre-existing conditions, not to prevent people from having access because of pre- existing condition. 130-140 million families affected by that. The President is trying to take that away today in the middle of a pandemic.

Just to bring it to this point. If you don`t believe in science, and you don`t believe in governance, you have the tragedy that we have, a pandemic that has grown in ways that it should never had grown.

HAYES: So you -- in the House today, you`re going to pass this Police Justice Act.


HAYES: You have passed the Heroes Act and you`re proposing expanding actually the ACA subsidies to make premiums cheaper for folks.

PELOSI: On Monday.

HAYES: And here`s my question for you -- on Monday. So here`s my question for you. On May 15th, when the Heroes Act -- Heroes Act passed, which is money for state and local governments crucially, and for beefed up testing and tracing, basically Republicans said it`s DOA. And more than that, we don`t need another package. We think we`re on the downward slope. I think we`re in the clear here.

It`s six weeks later. Do you sense that the trajectory of the legislative openness is changing there because we`re all watching this outbreak happening and it looks terrifying? And we`re also watching millions of Americans are going to lose unemployment bonus checks starting in July. And it seems like there should be some urgency, but I`m not sure there is. Do you have conversations with folks on the other side that maybe we`re going to move towards something?

PELOSI: There is urgency. The urgency is that at the end July, the unemployment benefits will expire. The urgency is at the end of June, state and local governments are going to have to balance their budgets, the urgency is that when McConnell says we want to pause, rent payments don`t take a pause, food on the table need doesn`t take a pause, all of these things have to be addressed. And to their peril, Republicans will ignore this.

I just want to tell you this one thing before I have to go preside to gavel down the bill, in the Heroes Act, you mentioned one part of the testing, tracing, you mentioned another part with the unemployment insurance and the direct checks that are needed. The secretary -- the secretary of the Treasury even has admitted that there needs to be another bill. The chairman of the fed has said we really are going to have a bigger, bigger economic hit if we don`t have another package.


PELOSI: We know that. They have to come to the table.

But remember this one thing, and I told you this before and I`ll say it again, in the first part, the first pillar of our bill, the Heroes Act, to salute our heroes, our health care workers, our first responders, our transit workers -- food, sanitation, teachers, teachers, teachers -- all get paid by the public -- many get paid by the public sector, state and local government -- in that part of the bill, go to and look up where you live, where you may have grown up, where your parents may live, any place in the world where you went to school, look there and see how much -- how many resources are going to that state, that little, that county and you see all that money that`s going to help them pay for their Coronavirus outlays and their loss of revenue for Coronavirus. Look at that. It`s dazzling.

And then understand this, it`s one-half of what the Republicans did with their tax scam to give a tax break to the high end 83 percent of the benefits going to the top 1 percent in our country, adding $2 trillion to the national debt, this is half of that and it is a stimulus that will help grow the economy, pay our workers, meet the needs of the American people.

HAYES: You have to go, finally and quickly before you do, yes or no, are you in negotiations with the White House actively right now on another piece of legislation for rescue?

PELOSI: There are -- let me say it this way, the best way to negotiate with the administration is in the public domain, that`s how we were able to pass a Mexico-U.S.-Canada trade agreement, that`s how we were able to keep governments open with our appropriations bill, that`s how we were able to pass four Coronavirus bills in a bipartisan way.

You remember when we were doing the more recent one, Mitch McConnell was like, never, no way am I doing what the Democrats are suggesting, and he ended up doing it.

HAYES: So you are negotiating in public?

PELOSI: Yeah. Well, we`re not negotiating in public, the public will be weighing in on this. And now I have that honor, and I salute the Congressional Black Caucus, Karen Bass, Jerry Nadler, the chair of the Judiciary Committee, and so many people who made this very historic day possible for the congress and for our country to make a difference as we honor George Floyd and his family. Thank you.

HAYES: Thank you.

PELOSI: Bye-bye.

HAYES: Thank you, speaker. Appreciate it.

Still to come, stunning revelations today, North Carolina police officers caught on tape talking about slaughtering black people in a rant filled with violent threats and racial slurs. That story next.


HAYES: As we have watched these street protests night after night in the continued uprising against systemic racism and police brutality, it`s hard not to keep thinking about something that I`ve seen on a bunch of protest signs in many different cities, imagine all the many terrible things that have happened that just weren`t caught on camera, particularly when we see disturbing stories like what just happened in Wilmington, North Carolina, which we only know about basically through sheer fluke, because a sergeant conducting an audit stumbled onto a video that had been accidentally recorded by a Wilmington police officer, and the police department, to its credit, told the public what they found.

In the video, three long-time veteran Wilmington officers who had been on the job since the late 1990s, think about that, decades on the force, are heard saying some truly violent and racist things, with one of them flat- out calling for a race war.

This is a police officer who has been there for decades, quote, "we are just going to go out and start slaughtering them F`ing N-words. I can`t wait. God, I can`t wait."

The officer adding that a civil war is needed to, quote -- and I quote him here -- "wipe them off the F`ing map. That will put them back about four or five generations."

All three officers have now been fired for misconduct.

The city`s new Police Chief Donny Williams making the announcement yesterday.


DONNY WILLIAMS, WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA POLICE CHIEF: When I first learned of these conversations, I was shocked, saddened and disgusted. There is no place for this behavior in our agency or our city, and it will not be tolerated.


HAYES: That was his first day on the job, one of his first actions as the head of police in that town.

Now, there are so many ways this is disturbing, they`re basically uncountable, but most striking to me is the resonance and meaning of these violent racist words in this particular place, Wilmington, North Carolina, it is a city that is in many ways a perfect representation of the trajectory of racial injustice in America, because back in the late 1800s, after the Civil War and in reconstruction, Wilmington was a thriving fairly well integrated town racially, that was thanks to the post-Civil War project of Reconstruction, which used the federal government to actively seek to integrate free men and women as full citizens, to give them rights and more.

And then came what was arguably the only pure coup d`etat in U.S. history, when a white supremacist mob violently wrenched power overthrowing the city government, killing at least 60 African-Americans, slaughtering them, wrenching power back with terrorist white supremacist, fascist violence to regain white supremacy, a key moment in the destruction of this nation`s project of racial equality and reconstruction.

And the system those racists built that is a system upon which we now stand to the point where in the 2020 Wilmington police officers are fantasizing about a race war where they can shoot black people that would put black Americans back about four or five generations, back to what happened in that same city.

And in the decades following the 1898 coup, the racist who seized power, well they took a kind of victory lap, they erected statues, Confederate statues, to celebrate their victory, to send the message to the people they had killed and slaughtered and beaten out of power that they were in control. But last night, last night two of those statues came down on the order of city officials.

We are now at a moment we are seeing things brought to light that were buried before, at least some of us are seeing things that were brought to life and buried before. Many Americans have been seeing it the whole time.

And the city of Tucson, there is another new recording that will make your blood run cold. That`s next.


HAYES: Tonight in Tucson, Arizona, the chief of police has offered his resignation in the wake of a truly horrifying body cam footage, which shows the death of a 27-year-old Carlos Ingram-Lopez in the custody of the Tuscon Police Department.

On April 21, officers responded to a call from Ingram-Lopez`s grandmother. She was alarmed her grandson was drunk, yelling -- running around the house naked. The video we`re about to show you is very disturbing, it is shot from the vantage point of a police officer holding Ingram-Lopez`s face down on the ground. And while no choke holds, blows, strikes or knees to the neck were used, it goes on for 12 minutes as Ingram-Lopez begs for water and cries out for his grandmother.


CARLOS INGRAM-LOPEZ, TUSCON RESIDENT: Could you please give me some water?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Just relax, all right? Relax. Relax.

LOPEZ: OK. Could you give me some water? Could you give me some water? Please, dude.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Negative force. We just need a blanket. He`s on something.

LOPEZ: Oh, I can`t breathe. Could I please have some water.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Calm the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) down. Tranquillo! Tranquillo!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All over your hands...


HAYES: And he goes on for another six minutes like that with him being berated by the officers begging for water, calling out for his grandmother.

Carlos Ingram-Lopez died more than two months ago. And this video wasn`t released until just yesterday. According to the police chief, the footage was held up due to an administrative investigation. And despite being briefed the day after the death, the chief did not view the footage until later.

The medical examiner ruled his death as cardiac arrest, a combination of cocaine and intoxication and physical restraint. But the New York Times points out that many departments have trained officers that people held facedown in what is known as prone restraint are more likely to die suddenly, because they have difficulty expanding their chest to bring in air.

The three officers involved resigned last Thursday.

Joining me now is a lawyer for the family, Eduardo Coronado.

Mr. Coronado, can you tell us what the family wants to see happen here, given this horrible, horrible tape that has now been released, the Tuscon police chief offering to resign and the mayor rejecting it, as far as I understand? The three officers have resolved. What does the family want to see happen?


So justice, obviously. We don`t, at this point necessarily know what justice is other than a thorough investigation. And just to point out the mayor did offer his resignation. The family authorized me to connect with the mayor and let the mayor know that -- those were not the wishes of the family, that was not the request, nor the wishes of the family.

But we did not have access to the video until yesterday, so we are trying to digest the video ourselves. Even though we have been requesting all that information since the 22 of April, we did not get the video until yesterday.

But it`s very disturbing and obviously the family is grieving and distraught and even more so now after watching the video yesterday.

HAYES: What was the family`s understanding of what happened on that night and the cause of his death?

CORONADO: The family`s understanding at the beginning was that -- that Adrian (ph) passed away, Elian (ph) passed away because he supposedly had an enlarged heart. That obviously has changed in their understanding, obviously, since watching the video.

We did get a police report, but the police report, even if done correctly - - and I have no reason to believe that it wasn`t -- it just doesn`t bring it home until you watch that video. And until you hear him until you hear Adrian (ph) say I can`t breathe. I need water. And although you said that the officers did not have their knee of their -- on Adrian`s (ph) neck, they did have their knee on his back, and the report that I get their internal report says that there was two officers who got -- had their knee on Adrian`s (ph) back, on the prone position for approximately 12 minutes.

And Adrian (ph) not being able to breathe, again, those words that usually are lot of these victims of this treatment, the same words, "I can`t breathe." So far from the video that we`ve seen he yelled out those words approximately three times. One was very clear, the other two were not as clear.

HAYES: I want to just say how sorry we all are and offer our condolences to his family. It`s an awful, awful video to have to watch. Eduardo Coronado, a lawyer for that Ingam-Lopez family, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

CORONADO: Thank you. Have a good night.

HAYES: Next, Donald Trump is lucky the election isn`t being held tomorrow, because the new battleground polling from The New York Times would have him losing in an absolute route. Nate Cohen shows us where the president is losing ground after this.


HAYES: Every day we get more polling evidence to suggest that if the presidential election were held right now, and it`s not going to be, it`s going to be some months, and things can happen, but if it were held now, Trump would not just lose to Joe Biden, he would lose badly. He would get drubbed.

New battleground state polling released today by The New York Times and Siena College shows Biden with a nine point advantage across six key battleground states. If Biden wins those states, and all the states Clinton won, he would win the presidency with at least 333 electoral votes.

Here to walk us through the results, the guy who oversaw that polling, Nate Cohn, domestic correspondent for the Upshot at The New York Times.

So, Nate, let`s start with sort of the general characterization of the state of the race right now, based on your national and battleground state polling.

NATE COHN, THE NEW YORK TIMES: Not terribly close, Chris. We found the president trailing by 14 points nationwide, losing by 9 points across the battleground states, as you have said. That kind of margin indicates he`s probably trailing on the whole next tier of swing states, or at least in a highly competitive race, including Georgia or Texas, Ohio, Iowa that would certainly endanger the Republican hold of the Senate. And Biden would be in a position to win as many as 400 electoral votes.

HAYES: What`s driving this right now in the internals both in terms of, you know, what issues and what sort of sub-groups demographically are -- is leading to this result?

COHN: Right. So just starting with the issues, I think it`s very simple. In the last couple of months, American life has been shaken by new issues that didn`t exist six months ago -- the Coronavirus pandemic and the whole spate of issues surrounding racial justice in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd including these protests and the president`s handling of them.

And on these issues, voters have concluded that they think the president has largely failed. And as a result they have swung against the president in a sweeping manner. And there are -- it is difficult to answer your second question, Chris, about where his weakness is most pronounced. I mean, it`s everywhere. If I were to narrow it down I guess I could say it`s most obvious among white voters. The president has lost almost the entirety of his advantage among white voters in battleground states. And that`s even though these voters say they backed the president by a 2.5 point margin across the six states here.

It`s a broad loss among white voters, it`s among young voters, it`s among older voters, it`s among college educated voters, its among those without a degree, it`s in the cities and the suburbs and in the countryside.

HAYES: One thing that`s interesting when you think about the electoral college map is that, you know, you`re looking at the three states that sort of put him over which is the Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin -- you know, running the table in those three states. You guys have him down in double digits in all of those, but then as you said you start to think about where the electoral sort of battleground is, you expand out to places like Florida or North Carolina where you have Biden winning by wide margins. Those were states that Barack Obama carried in 2008.

And then you go to states like Iowa or Ohio, which seemed really far past the reaches of what a Democrat could win just because of the demographic changes and polarization of the country. And if you look at 538 polling average, you`ve got -- you know, those look like they`re close, too.

COHN: That`s right. And you know I note that Iowa and Ohio aren`t just states that seemed like they were going the opposite direction of the country, but I mean, Iowa voted for Donald Trump by 10 percentage points in 2016, and the idea that that state would be really competitive seems a surprise at first.

But, you know, Wisconsin voted for the president by a point last time and so did Pennsylvania and Michigan. So if Joe Biden is up 10 pints in the traditional Midwestern battleground states, then why shouldn`t it be a tied race in Iowa where he did win by 10 points last time?

In all of these cases we`re just talking about a broad across the board 10 point shift in the president`s direction among white voters, and that`s what all these states are about -- or rather in Joe Biden`s direction, excuse me.

HAYES: Right -- and the last frontier, then, are three states that Democrats have not won in a long time and Barack Obama didn`t win, that`s Arizona, Georgia and Texas. And Arizona, particularly, of the three of those, I mean, Arizona almost I think at this point you`d have to start to say at this point in Arizona that Joe Biden is favored to win there at this point. Would you say that?

COHN: I don`t see how you could reach a different conclusion at this point, frankly. I mean, the president has been weak in the Arizona polling from the start. He didn`t get 50 percent of the vote in 2016. The Democratic numbers on party registration have been steadily closing there. And we know that the president has struggled to win Republicans there.

So, you know, at the moment it would take a pretty significant shift in the race for him even to be considered a 50-50 proposition.

HAYES: Home state of Barry Goldwater, birthplace of the modern conservative movement, Arizona, it`s pretty head spinning.

Nate Cohn, thank you so much for making time tonight.

COHN: Happy to come.

HAYES: That is All In for this evening, the Rachel Maddow Show starts right now. Good evening, Rachel.