Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: October 4, 2017
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HAYES: Good evening from New York, I`m Chris Hayes. At this hour we`re waiting for a press conference by the law enforcement in Las Vegas, Nevada and It has begun. We`re going to listen in to what officials have to say.
JOE LOMBARDO, SHERIFF, CLARK COUNTY NEVADA: Hello, everybody. That was a terrible response. So thank you for being courteous with the mic this time. Well, good evening. Obviously, I`m Sheriff Joe Lombardo with Clark County. This has been -- this will be one of many press conferences we have provided in order to provide the public information that is occurring. And then so the sequence of these events tonight, I will provide you some - - I will provide you a sequence of some updates of the investigation as we have moved forward since the last time we spoke with you. Any specifics or continuance of any global investigative leads that you need to be aware of, Special Agent Aaron Rouse will provide those, that information associated with that. OK? And then subsequently I will return to the podium, assist with some Q&A and then Commissioner Sisolak is available if you have any questions of the Commissioner. And then obviously we have Senator Dean Heller who wished to address the audience also.
So, President Trump, I think he was in town today. Yes, he was in town. And the reason why I bring up President Trump is nothing to do in fact with President Trump but to do with the Police Department. There was some concern because of his visit that investigations associated with this case would be delayed or hindered. And I`m here to assure you none of that occurred. There was a separation of personnel associated with first responders of the Harvest Festival event that took the opportunity to meet with Mr. Trump and he had the opportunity to congratulate them for their heroic acts. The investigators are directly related to this investigation, both on my department and the FBI were not part of that.
So I want everybody assured, there was no hindrance in continuance of the investigation. Return of property. There`s a lot of questions going on with that. And I wish I could provide you answers with that. We will try to post on lvmpd.com when as soon as we and advise victims when they can receive their personal property. We are still evaluating the crime scene. Until that completes, the property phase will not occur. So the best -- my understanding of where we`re at, we`re looking at four to five days. So I know that sounds troublesome but it`s important that we dot the I`s and cross the T`s as the evidentiary and possible prosecution in the future.
Injuries, injury numbers that we`re using today, 489. Of that 489, 317 have been discharged from the hospital. So the question is, Sheriff, you provided several different numbers associated with that all the way up to 527. Now, you got to imagine we`re disbursed across several hospitals, we`re relying on internal communication of the hospital to provide us accurate numbers. So that`s ever-changing. And additionally, hospitals receive patients outside of this event. So quite often -- hopefully not quite often, but often some of those patients were double counted or they were misconstrued as event injuries versus other injuries such as car accidents. So today, I`m comfortable on saying the injured number is 489. Deaths still remain at 59. I had told you 59 before plus one, being the suspect. That changed.
Today it`s 58 plus one, the suspect, 59. And it`s the same reason that occurred before as I explained. So hopefully you understand that. Nobody wants that number to go up and by the grace of God, it went down. So that`s a good night. So today I will provide you updates on the investigation of the mass shooting Sunday night, Route 91. More than 100 (AUDIO GAP) spent the last 72 hours combing through the live of 64-year-old Stephen Paddock to produce a profile of someone I will call disturbed and dangerous.
What we know is Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo, and living a secret life, much of which would never be fully understood. He meticulously planned on the worst domestic attack in United States history. As many of you already reported, Paddock rented a room at the Ogden Hotel in Downtown Las Vegas. This has been confirmed. OK? Reasons that ran through paddock`s mind is unknown but it was directly during the same time as life is beautiful. We have received -- recovered evidence from that location. We don`t know if it is evidence but we have recovered items and video evidence. And I don`t -- you know what? I`m using the wrong term. Evidence is not the term. We have recovered video from there to review Mr. Paddock`s actions while he was there. Now, it`s important for you to understand this was not -- the rooms were not rented by the Ogden. It was done through Airbnb by a private owner unknown to the Ogden.
So we have very great cooperation from the owners of Life is Beautiful and the Ogden and they`re in full cooperation. While we have already spoken to many people who had contact with Stephen Paddock at hotels and places he frequented, we still have more interview to conduct. Since Monday there have been many questions for us to release a timeline and today we have one. I want to point out the information previously reported on the time of the first shot was based on a cad report, that`s a computer-aided dispatch. That`s what we do for calls for service. So that report is dependent on who the -- you know, a particular person calling in on that time stamp. But what we have done through the review of body-worn cameras, we were able to pull it back to previously from 10:08 to 10:05. So Carlos?
So I`m going to give you the chance to review that, take photographs of it and I`ll walk you through each timeline. So at 10:05 the first shots fired by the suspect. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue. 10:12 first two officers arrived on the 31st floor announcing that gunfire is coming directly above them. 10:15 last shots were fired from the suspect through body worn camera. So if you`re looking at the math, ten minutes. 10:17 the first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor. 10:18 security officer tells the MPD officers he was shot and gives the exact location of the suspect`s room.
Now you notice a minute, delta there before they broadcasted it obviously they were in a conversation with the security guard immediately upon them exiting the elevators. Between 10:26 and 10:30, eight additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor and begin to move systematically down the hallway clearing each room and looking for any injured people. This -- they move this way because they no longer hear the gunfire of the active shooter situation. 10:55, eight officers arrived in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest the suspect`s room. So when I say nearest to suspect`s room, you can imagine the doorway of the hotel room, this stairwell, and this door access is approximately two to three feet away. 11:20, the first breach was set off and officers entered the suspect`s room.
They observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door that could not be accessed from their position. So, it`s a sweep and you have -- there`s -- you have a main area of the suite which is the living room, kitchen dining area and then on opposite ends of that is two bedrooms. I`m sorry. Where did I leave off? Somebody yell it out. OK. So if you do the math on that, all the way up to 11:20 from 10:05, we`re looking at 75 minutes. So young lady in the front with the red phone, you had mentioned 72 minutes, so now you see where those minutes came from. OK. At 11:27 a second breach was setoff allowing officers to access the second room and no one -- on one else was located within the hotel room. OK.
These are following extenuating circumstances as to why it may appeared that there was delay or undue delay in reaching the suspects. OK. The officers in the first strike team reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes which is phenomenal of the first shot being fired. When the officers arrived and confirmed the location of the suspect`s room, the gunfire had stopped. In accordance with their training, the officers retrieved a master key card from the entrance security guard and began to systematically clear each hotel room. So, imagine the elevator bank in the center, 150 feet down on a triplex hotel was the suspect`s room. So there`s several rooms along the way because no firing was occurring, they could not hear additional firing, they believed it was important to evacuate in case the suspect was barricaded.
While the first strike team did this, the second team made up of two K9 personnel, a SWAT officer and patrol officers navigated at numerous stairs wearing heavy tactical gear, carrying a large bag with tactical equipment and holding rifles in order to have a closer position to the suspect`s room. And that is within that stairwell in that doorway adjacent to the room I described previously. They attempted to secure the front doorway of the suspect`s room but as they entered into the hallway they could see the room service cart and readily apparent on the room service cart were cameras. So they pulled back and they waited for the approach of a full SWAT team. Keep in mind, this delay was not undue. It was purposeful and no shots were being heard by the suspect at this point.
Eventually, a plan was formulated, entry was made, suspect was seen laying on the ground, they encountered a closed bedroom door which was locked and they breached that door additionally and found no other suspect. Another investigative issue was cameras. Questions were presented about cameras and whether they were recording. We determined none of the cameras were recording. There was two cameras on the room service cart out in the hallway, there was one on the peephole of the front door and additionally, there was a baby monitor camera placed in the general family area of the hotel room. None of them were being recorded.
One thing I left out was the initial approach and they looked out in the hallway when they observed the cameras on the room service cart, it was obviously there were several rounds discharged through the door and through the blasts of the bullets through the door, you could actually see a weapon through those openings in the door but no suspect was seen. Now those rounds were the strafing rounds that he put through the door in order to shoot at the security guard. OK. The other thing I wanted to update you on is the search warrant of the suspect`s vehicle located at the Mandalay Bay. I had presented that there was ammonium nitrate recovered but there were several cases within the car that had not been searched yet at the last briefing I provided with you. So within those cases, there was ten one-pound containers of tannerite, two 20-pound containers of tannerite, and approximately 1,600 rounds of ammunition. So Carlos, can you put up the numbers?
So, tip line. This is an ongoing investigation. We can never not have enough information because we are continuing to run down leads and it`s important for us to get all of the information we can on Mr. Paddock. Because right now we`re trying to prove his intent or understand his intent and the history associated with this and whether or not he has any accomplices. So we asked people to still call into 311. If you`re out of state 702-828-311, and then the FBI, 1-800-CALL-FBI. And that is investigative and also for electronic media. If you`re able to call them, they will provide you the ability to download that online into their system. So at this point, I will provide you Special Agent-In-Charge, Aaron Rouse and he will walk you through some of the investigative steps we have accomplished jointly and where we`re at in that total investigation. Subsequent to that, I will come back to the podium for any Q&A and then we will have Commissioner Sisolak and Senator Dean Heller make comments. Thank you.
AARON ROUSE, SPECIAL AGENT, FBI: Thank you, Sheriff. My name is Aaron Rouse, I`m the Special Agent-In-Charge for the Las Vegas Division of the FBI. Before I begin, I just want to comment that on behalf of all of the FBI, specifically the Las Vegas Division, our sympathy goes out to all of the families affected by this tragedy. This is our community. It`s our community too. We live here. And we will get through this together. The FBI has had a great partnership, continues to have a great partnership with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department as well as our other state and local officials. To say that this investigation will take a while is not surprising. So there`s a lot of information that`s going to change over time as we determine more facts.
But this is what I can tell you. Our resolve is firm. We will get to the bottom of this, no matter how long it takes. The FBI has deployed over 100 personnel from across the nation to assist the Las Vegas Division in this investigation. This includes victim-witness assistance, EAP counselors, evidence technicians and technical assets. Not to mention additional agents to help cover leads. The information that the public provides us is going to help us solve this. But we must focus on facts. We cannot give in to conjecture and we cannot respond to every little Twitter feed that may indicate a theory. We need to focus on the facts. You need us to be right. You expect us to be right and we want to be right.
There`s going to be questions, I`m sure you`re going to have questions, about some of people that we`ve been talking to, maybe people outside of the United States. The fundamental trust of the American people and the FBI is based upon our discretion and how good would that discretion be if we were to provide information that they provided to us in confidence. This is about informing on an investigation, this is about resolving an investigation. So specifics regarding any individual contact cannot be answered. You need us, you trust us and the way we have that trust is by using good discretion about what we share.
Additionally, we have multiple leads all across the United States and all across the world. To our legal attache, determining the whereabouts and travel patterns of all the people involved in this investigation. And that list grows. A lot of the leads will go absolutely nowhere but we have to follow them and that`s going to take some time. Patience is going to be required of all of us. I know that we have the patience of the Police Department because we have a great partnership and we`re all interested in the same thing, resolving this issue fairly and factually. With that, I`ll turn it back over to Sheriff Lombardo.
LOMBARDO: OK. Happy to answer questions and please provide some decorum.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff?
LOMBARDO: Yes sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know you had the opportunity, the FBI (INAUDIBLE). We know that you (INAUDIBLE), we know you got access to his computers his cell phones and so forth. And while you`re not yet able to tell us exactly -- you know, specifically what you`ve found, let me ask you generally.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Through all of the information that you`ve so far arrived at, is there anything that gives you a sense as to what was going on with this man and what the motive might be, without saying what it is. Are you seeing anything that gives you a direction or any kind of an answer to that question?
LOMBARDO: Globally, no. I`m sorry to report no. Me personally but I`m not privy to the subsequent interviews that were conducted today. The FBI is not ready to disclose, for public consumption, what occurred in those interviews as of yet. Sorry for that answer. Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His family said to our attorney that during the course of her time with the suspect that she never saw her heard anything that suggested that he would carry out an act like this. You also said that you were looking for other people associated with (INAUDIBLE) information specifically that there`s a woman that you`re looking for to talk to that may have been associated with the suspect. Is that true? You also said in your comments --
LOMBARDO: Are you going to give me a chance to answer? Can you start from the beginning?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry. It`s about Ms. Danley about her comments to her lawyer that she had no idea what was going on.
LOMBARDO: I think any person put in her situation would probably answer the same way. But like I said, we`re not privy to the investigative leads that were obtained today. Mr. Rouse could probably give you some better clarification to that. I haven`t been briefed by the FBI on that interview as of yet. What was the other question, Sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said that you`re still trying to figure out whether he had any accomplices.
LOMBARDO: Right. Yes, we`re obviously going through that. It`s troublesome that this individual was able to move this amount of gear into a hotel room unassisted. It`s troublesome for the amount of stuff he had at both residences unassisted. So there`s people that know this individual. There`s people that can help us understand this individual. Because you know, interestingly enough, I read periodical today, earlier today. It was from an FBI profiler that didn`t understand this individual. Usually, there`s a telltale sign associated with these types of actions, you know, reclusive, a plethora of things associated with this mindset and we have not found that yet. So what could be more beneficial than to find people that are associated with him either by friendship or accomplice, and for us to determine that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
LOMBARDO: Yes, Sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two questions Sheriff. First, you mentioned in your comments he had a secret life. What do you mean by that?
LOMBARDO: Well, most of us -- not most of us. I don`t. I don`t live through social media. OK. There`s a lot of us that live through social media in today`s world. There`s a lot of people that are interactive in the public. There`s a lot of people that have workmates. This individual is retired. We found out that he has some real estate investments. Relationship wise it`s very hard to determine what has occurred in his life in the last decade or so. We do know that he has an wife -- ex-wife. She didn`t lead us to any knowledge. We know that everybody knows we talked to his brother. No knowledge was obtained. So anything that would indicate this individual`s trigger point and that would cause him to do such harm, we haven`t understood it yet. And I think it`s important for us to get there. And you have to be patient with us because this premeditation of this room, this is well thought out. So don`t you think the concealment of his history or his life was well thought out. And it`s incumbent upon us as professionals to figure that out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then besides what he did, that horrific act, are there any other signs of a mental breakdown?
LOMBARDO: I`m not aware. I personally have not been briefed on some of his personal background. I`m leaving that to the experts. And I haven`t been updated on that yet. So it`s going to be frustrating for you obviously. But you got to remember, and I`ve said it a hundred times. This is an investigation and we can`t be delayed by providing information that would delay our information or cause an individual to go underground. You know all that. Everybody in -- sitting before knows that. And I just need you to understand it. OK. It`s important for you to convey to the public we`re doing everything that we possibly can do to bring this to fruition. And I think we`re doing that and I ask you for your patience.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) of your investigation you discovered that perhaps Paddock might have been targeting another concert a week before the concert --
LOMBARDO: Yes I mentioned that he obtained a room at Ogden which is located in downtown at the same time that Life Is Beautiful was being conducted. Was he doing pre-surveillance? We don`t know yet. OK. This is all conjecture at this point. And that`s why it is important for us to have boots on the ground getting the answers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s information out there that the door to the stairwell, the 32nd floor was barricaded and possibly welded shut. Can you confirm whether that door was welded shut?
LOMBARDO: It was not welded shut but it was secured.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sheriff, have you determined whether he had visitors in his room while he was at the hotel?
LOMBARDO: No, not -- as of yet, no.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry, no -- not --
LOMBARDO: As of yet no. We haven`t been able to determine if there`s been anybody else in the room beside him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the tannerite in the car, does that lead you to believe that he might have been planning a bigger attack?
LOMBARDO: Speculation. I`ll leave you for your own free will on that speculation. But you know, it remains in the car for some reason. Ricardo? Ricardo?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there an estimate of how many rounds he fired and is there an estimate of how many rounds he didn`t fire found in the room?
LOMBARDO: No, just -- I`ll give you my personal preview. That will come out in the public space. No, the rounds haven`t been counted yet. There`s a lot of evidentiary recovered. Systems are taking in place prior to the recovery of the rounds. But there was well in excess of thousands of rounds still present in the room.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the leaked photos there was a yellow, what appeared to be a yellow note. Can you tell us anything about that?
LOMBARDO: No, I don`t -- I can`t recall.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A suicide note or anything?
LOMBARDO: No, it was not a suicide note. I`m comfortable in saying that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, where is Marilou Danley now and is she still a person of interest?
LOMBARDO: OK, everything to do with Marilou Danley I will have Special Agent Rouse address that. OK. If you have any questions outside of that, we can -- we can circle back on that. Stephanie?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is for Agent Rouse about Marilou Danley.
LOMBARDO: OK, we`ll circle back on that. You guys want to know how I know her name? She was eating lunch next to me today and introduced herself. She`s from Australia.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, do you know what caused him to stop shooting?
LOMBARDO: Very good question. No, I do not know. I don`t know if -- this is my assumption, only my assumption, and nobody has been able to dispel my assumption as of today. I believe because of his countermeasures placed in the peephole and in the hallway, he observed the security guard and he was in fear that he was about to be breached. So he was doing everything possible to figure out how he could escape at that point. His concern was personal concern versus what was occurring down below him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell us anything about what time he shot himself and can you tell us --
LOMBARDO: You know, I don`t have the answer to that question. Because that question has been presented and we haven`t been able, through the internal investigation of that, to pinpoint exactly if it was heard when he shot himself or did it occur in close proximity of entry. Because as you imagine, when they breached the door they used explosive devices. So did it occur in close proximity to the explosive devices and we lost it in the audible or did it occurred when we were trying to setup or team in the hallway.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- do you know when the security guard was separated from the other officers?
LOMBARDO: He was -- he was -- it was my understanding before I had said he had gotten separated, that was inaccurate. What had happened was, he was conducting an investigation based on customers calling in and he was personally attempting to locate what was occurring. He happened upon that doorway because it was ajar, which keyed his interest. But our officers were in close proximity, so as you can imagine, by the timeline there, as soon as they came out of the doorway of the elevator, he was there. So it happened in a matter of seconds.
LOMBARDO: Hold on, let me finish her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On the note, can you tell (INAUDIBLE) that note (INAUDIBLE) --
LOMBARDO: What note, the yellow paper?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
LOMBARDO: I don`t know. I don`t know. I haven`t -- I did a cursory review of the room but I haven`t been provided that information. But I know it was not a suicide note.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you believe he saw the security guard approaching, that might have caused him to stop shooting. If he hadn`t have seen the security guard approaching, do you believe the shooting would have continued?
LOMBARDO: No. And I`m comfortable on saying that no. And here`s why. Because the same action as the security guard would have occurred with our patrol officer --
SHERIFF JOSEPH LOMBARDO, LAS VEGAS METROPOLITAN POLICE: No. And I`m comfortable in saying no. And here is why because the same action the security guard would have heard with our patrol officer. That was approaching up there.
We had knowledge he was between 31 and 32, remember when you asked before we said 29 and 32, and then subsequently through that time it got called down to 31, 32, a knowledgeable customer, prior military said it was occurring directly above him, which subsequently the officers were doing their own checks, he was not aware of what that customer had said and they were conducting he was trying to pinpoint. So our officer had learned, because they had a security guard attached to them that they had recent information to the individual was on 32.
OK, so they would have encountered him shortly in that timeline, maybe 60 seconds. And I would assume the same thing would have occurred.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff we question about when he stopped firing and why.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Based on the assessment of the weapons he was there and using and access to, are any of these weapons jammed or inoperable or could he had continued firing without any problem if he had not possibly in the cameras --
LOMBARDO: He could have continued firing. Some of them were jammed but he could have continued firing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some were jammed?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many?
LOMBARDO: I don`t know the number by some. But he had plenty of fire power available.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any idea --
LOMBARDO: If you recall there were 23 weapons recovered, so.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And other who didn`t reached you --
LOMBARDO: Yes. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One last question on the weapons (INAUDIBLE). This guy had a 300 ground and about 500, 800 yards -- how many of these weapons he was using firing in with advance optics on (INAUDIBLE) how many scopes or anything else like that?
LOMBARDO: Just from my visual preview of the crime scene I saw at least three scopes. Most of them didn`t have scopes.
LOMBARDO: No from what I know of firearms pretty behind (ph) in scopes not marksmanship scopes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, was the security officers armed. And can you talk about his bravery.
LOMBARDO: I don`t know if he was armed. I don`t know the security profile at the Mandalay Bay. I know quite often some, security officers armed some aren`t, some supervisor is not regular -- I don`t know the profile at the Mandalay Bay personally. So I don`t know if he was armed.
But his bravery was amazing because he remained with our officers providing them the key pass to access the door and actually continued to help them clear rooms until our officer demanded that he go seek medical attention.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While injured?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, can you just --
LOMBARDO: Let him ask questions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The activities before the shooting that we`ve heard someone say gambling, do you know?
LOMBARDO: Yes, we are aware he was gambling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For hours?
LOMBARDO: I don`t know the timeline but we are aware he was gambling.
LOMBARDO: So reference, let me provide some clarification because I answer one of the other questions on accomplice. We did see he was gambling but we didn`t see another individual that appeared to be with him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What time was that?
LOMBARDO: I don`t recall ma`am.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, (INAUDIBLE) CBS News that (INAUDIBLE) weapons in October 2016, he bought some 33 riffle, are you looking into the possibility that there may have been some kind of a mentally issue, something that happened in October of 2016 that compelled him to purchase those weapons?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have you uncovered?
LOMBARDO: I haven`t -- I don`t have the information. I wish I could provide you. I don`t have it, but we are looking. We`re looking on that too, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You suggested that after he saw the security guard that his concern became himself, did you see any evidence that he planned to survive this or try to escape?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s that?
LOMBARDO: I can`t tell you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, just to clarify, the security guards and the officers came up to positively identified his location and --
LOMBARDO: I`m sorry start over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The security guard or your officers arriving that positively identified the location first?
LOMBARDO: It was the security guard. The officers had knowledge that it was occurring on the 32nd floor. They assumed that it was at the end of the hallway because the person that has called said it was apparently directly above him. So having this assumption, in fact so many other rooms but the security guard had confirmed it prior to their arrival.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And can you say more detail about the magnitude of the gunfire that he encountered when he got when he was spotted?
LOMBARDO: Yes, my personal observation, well over 200 rounds straight to hallway.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, --
[20:35:04] LOMBARDO: So it`s amazing that that security guard didn`t sustain additional injury.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, you commented that you believe he had a plan - -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have you determined that could have given you proof he had to escape --
LOMBARDO: That`s just a different way of asking the same question. I can`t answer that for you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sheriff, did the officers fire back at all?
LOMBARDO: No. No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, you mentioned accomplices. We`ve talked previously about Marilou Danley as a person of interest. Are there any other person of interest in this investigation?
LOMBARDO: Well, is there any other? No. Concrete? No. We`re looking at it this way, Ken, is there another one? No. And we`re determined to find out if there was. I mean, it`s important not to close this case until we run down everything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Should we ask the terrorist question --
LOMBARDO: Because look at this, I mean, you look at the weapon obtaining the different amounts of tannerite available, do you think this was all accomplished on his own, self value, face value? You got to make the assumption, he had to have some help at some point, and we want to ensure that`s being answer. Maybe he`s a super guy, maybe he is super hero -- not a hero, super -- you know, I won`t use the word. Maybe he`s super -- that was working out this out on his own but it will be hard for me to believe that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And to that do we need to ask --
LOMBARDO: And here is the reason why, put one and one together, two and two together, another residence in Reno with firearms, OK, electronics and everything else associated with larger amounts of ammo, a place in mesquite, we know he had a girlfriend. Do you think this is all self- facing individual without talking to somebody, it was sequestered amongst himself. I mean, come on focus folks, this types of investigations have been occurring in the last few years and we have to evaluate that. So hold off, I`m done, OK.
What I want you to do is give Aaron Rouse an opportunity to talk about Marilou. He may not have anything for you, OK, but I think it`s fair for you to ask him and then I would like to get to the Senator Heller and Commissioner Sisolak.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The car was --
LOMBARDO: I`m sorry?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was the car planted for him to --
LOMBARDO: Don`t ask me to make assumptions, please.
AARON ROUSE, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE, LAS VEGAS: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were asking, where is Marilou Danley now and is she still a person of interest in this investigation?
ROUSE: As I mentioned in my comments, you know, people rely on us for our discretion. If someone is assisting us in an investigation, if they`re being cooperative, that`s between us and them. Giving away the location of a citizen or somebody that is cooperating with us, is not in our best interest, it`s not in that person`s best interest, and so there`s a matter of their business, so I`m not going to comment on that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s not in federal custody?
ROUSE: We have no one in custody.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Special Agent Rouse. If I can ask the same question, without saying anything specific, after seeing his computers and speaking to Marilou, do you have any direction, any sense as to what may have been a motivate? Any sense, any evidence of anything?
ROUSE: So, as I mentioned to my earlier remarks, we like to deal with facts. So there is a great and everyone can have a theory but I need to deal with facts. The Sheriff needs to deal with facts. We`re reliant on that to do our jobs. So that`s what we`re going to focus on. There are number of working theories out there and we`re going to continue use those but we`re not going to publicize them because that`s not fair to anyone. We do not want to tint anyone unfairly. We want to make sure that what we have is accurate and you want us to be accurate. That`s what you expect of us.
ROUSE: We have found no evidence to this point to indicate terrorism. But this is an ongoing investigation. We`re going to continue to look at all avenues. We`re not closing down any doors. The best way to do an investigation, the sheriff will tell you this, I`ll tell you this, is that you don`t go in with assumptions, he`s not going to make assumptions as he just said, I`m not going to make assumptions.
We`re going in there following the facts. The facts will always lead you to your conclusion. But we hope very much so to be able to provide concrete information to the public about why this happened, because that`s what`s on everyone`s mind. Because to understand the why helps you deal with the tragedy that we`ve all faced and we`ve all faced it. So, believe me we want to know why.
[20:40:12] ROUSE: OK, I want to take this time to give the commissioner an opportunity to say a few words.
STEVE SISOLAK, CLARK COUNTRY COMMISSIONER: Thank you. I`m going to say some things that the Sheriff didn`t say. When you see these men and women in uniforms, and the men and women that don`t wear uniforms, a lot maybe (INAUDIBLE) I`ve notice, you got to tell them thank you, I mean what -- I`ve dealt with these folks, I`ve been working with them for the last three days. They are working on zero sleep. I beg of you to show some patience.
I`m hearing the same question ask, three, four, five times in different ways, speculation coming out at this group. These gentlemen deal exclusively in facts. They`re not speculating, there`s no conjecture here. They`re not dealing with theories, they`re dealing with facts. Their primary purpose and their goal is to conclude this investigation in a professional and accurate manner and I`m totally confident that they`re going to do that.
They are protecting the citizens of Clark County and the tourists that are here. They have made the city safe again. It is a safe place to come. We encourage that but I implore you please, please slow some patience and understand that they`re not going to deal with conjecture and theories that are coming up on social media. Thank you very much.
SENATOR DEAN HELLER (R), NEVADA: My words and comments are similar to what the commissioner just said in the important of patience. This horrific incident is less than 72 hours old. And the reason that I come to these briefings and this press conference is to listen to the sheriff and learn bit by bit what happened just a little while ago.
What I want to express is my gratitude to the sheriff, to the FBI, to the ATF and for everybody that is keeping us up to date to what is going on, briefing my office and myself. And I also want to express how grateful I am that the President of the United States came in today to expressed his sincere concerned for this community and understanding what this means.
I had a rare occasion to be at 30,000 feet with a couple of hours of face time with this particular President and we talked specifically about the heroes, the individuals, the deputies, the first responders and all that and what they were able to achieve in a very short period of time.
In my cellphone here I have numerous pictures of survivors from UMC and I express and shared those pictures with the President of the United States so that he could see some of the damages on what had occurred.
One in particular was a deputy, there was on the second day, I know we`ve heard the story, second day on the job. He was there. His father was actually at the event as a spectator when the shooting occurred, got hit in the arm and went to his chest. His name is Brady Cook (ph). And I shared the story with the President. President went up to the fifth floor of the UMC and had an opportunity to talk to this young mean and express his sincere gratitude for his strengths.
I also showed him a picture of a cellphone that had an apple phone that had a bullet through it. It was a therapist over at UMC. And that bullet went through her phone and hit her hand. She just had tissue damage, she fixed it herself. Went back to UMC and spent hours helping those that had come into the hospital. These stories were important for me to share with the President of the United States as he was coming into this valley and understanding the depth of the issue we had on hand.
But it wasn`t just that I also lobbied him on a couple of issues, one has to do with terrorist. Now, I didn`t lobby the President because it was important to me, I asked the governor what should I talk to him about. I asked the mayor, what do you want me to talk to the President about? I ask the sheriff, what do you want me to talk to the President about? And it had to do with these urban tourism funds that come out of homeland security, and how important it is that Las Vegas, the strip has the funding necessary to keep, not only citizens safe, but also those that are visiting this city.
It`s not enough that we have 2.1 million people that live in this valley but we have 42 million people that come in every year to visit. And I want to make sure the Las Vegas has the funding, tourism funding necessary to keep us safe, to buy the equipment that they need to be able to monitor and be able to follow up on the issues that they`re faced with on a day-to-day basis.
So my gratitude continues from everybody around the country. About 15 seconds ago I was sitting right behind. A cab driver that I used in New York City just sent me a taxi. We became friends on a ride but his message to a senator, myself, my family and all my drivers wanted to express our condolences of those touched by the recent weekend shooters. All our best. The cab driver from New York concerned about Las Vegas valley.
[20:45:16] So I am grateful for all my colleagues back in Washington, D.C. grateful for the sheriff, the FBI, the ATF, all the work that`s being done, the hearing has begun, but it`s been less than 72 hours, way one to go. Thank you very much for being here today.
LOMBARDO: All right, that will conclude today`s press conference. So, as a matter of moving forward I can`t give you a definitive time for tomorrow. I anticipate to these press conferences will stay at a maximum once a day because leads are changing that fast for us to address this group.
The one thing I wanted to talk to each and every of you in this room, thank you. Thank you very much. You have been very professional, you have not been overwhelming and I appreciate your candor and your ability to express exactly what occurred in the Las Vegas valley. So, thank you and hopefully you have a great night. Thank you.
HAYES: All right, that was quite a newsworthy press conference that was conducted there by the Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo and Special Agent Aaron Rouse in charge of Las Vegas.
I want to go through what we learned because we learned quite a bit. We got a clearer sense of the time line between when shots first are fired, I think around 10:05 if I recall that correctly. He flashed it up there. And when a security guard about 11 minutes after those shots are first fired, 12 minutes or so, a security guard, who works for Mandalay Bay, goes up and he hears where the shots are coming from and he`s fired at by the shooter, Mr. Paddock, Stephen Paddock, and he then encounters police who had come up. They had sort of identified that it was on the 31st floor from where the fire was being launched.
And they then proceed to clear everything, which takes a while. They clear the entire floor. They`re getting people out of there understandably.
Joe Lombardo says that 200 rounds, 200 rounds came through that door out into the hallway, that there was a video camera affixed to a room service cart that warned Paddock of the entrance into the hallway of the security guard who later conferred with police. That security guard, by the way, who did sustain an injury in the leg and continued to help police until police told him that he had to go seek medical attention.
That individual also it seems precipitated Paddock to stop firing, which is key, because it appears that the firing, as far as we can tell from the time line that was introduced today by Sheriff Lombardo, only lasted about 12 minutes, which really just to take a moment to imagine what could have happened had it gone on 20 or 25 minutes and how pivotal it was the entrance of that unnamed security guard into the scene. I think he`s actually -- his name has been reported in other press outlets.
A few other interesting tidbits. Sheriff Lombardo says that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, had a plan for escape. Obviously, that did not happen, would not elaborate more on that. Very little from the FBI about the questioning of the girlfriend of the shooter who came back from the Philippines today.
I want to bring now in -- and nothing crucially, crucially, crucially on motive. Nothing. In fact Lombardo essentially seemed to say we got nothing as far as I know. Special Agent Rouse was very tight-lipped.
Of course everyone is sort of trying to figure out and make sense of what could have, even in his perverse mind-set precipitated this.
Oh. One more important thing. It appears he did actually rent rooms in the Ogden hotel that overlooked another live music concert outside, a festival called "Life is Beautiful" that had happened, I believe, the week before.
There had been reporting indicating that Paddock had had rooms in the Ogden, possibly looking out on those concerts, that appears to be confirmed today by Lombardo. The purpose of that is unclear, whether he had planned to do this at that concert and then waited a week, or whether he was casing it or doing a dry run. None of that clear at this moment.
I want to bring in now Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts. He served four tours in Iraq as a Marine Corps infantry officer.
And congressman, you`ve been outspoken about your view about guns in the wake of this. But before we get to this, just you know as someone who served in a professional capacity as a -- in the armed services, I mean, the mind really reels at both the combination of the level of planning that went into this and the arsenal that was acquired and the way those two were brought together to bear on this massacre.
REP. SETH MOULTON, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: That`s right. I mean, he clearly knew what he was doing and knew what he intended. And the fact that he was able to get away with buying such an arsenal here in the United States is frightening. And that`s exactly what we have to change.
I mean, I`ve seen gun violence firsthand. I was in the infantry. And I know what this looks like, and it has no business on our streets, in our schools, and our concerts in the United States of America.
HAYES: You know, there was one detail that was -- that seemed to be confirmed by Lombardo, was that at one point he bought 33 weapons at a time, I believe, or at least in one short period of time in October 2016. There`s a broader question here about essentially the ability, the legal protections, the constitutional protections for a civilian to acquire essentially a personal arsenal.
MOULTON: That`s right. I mean the fact that that didn`t raise any flags or the fact that perhaps it did raise flags, but authorities weren`t able to do anything about it. I mean, that`s just common sense that we should be asking questions and stopping something like that from happening.
I mean, I don`t think you`ll find anybody in congress today who doesn`t support the Second Amendment. After all, we swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution. As members of congress, it`s the same oath that I swore as a United States marine officer, but this is about reasonable restrictions. In the same way that we don`t allow families to own tanks or land mines or grenades to protect their homes, we ought to restrict weapons of war from being on the streets, from people like this being able to buy an entire arsenal in a day.
HAYES: When you look at those weapons there, and they appear to be AR-15 style weapons that were then modified so that they could fire automatically. Apparently there were 12 of those. What goes through your head when you see those items?
MOULTON: That they belong with well-trained servicemen and women overseas, not on America`s streets.
I mean that`s just -- this is just what we`re talking about when we talk about reasonable restrictions under the Second Amendment. No one wants to take away the right of people to go out hunting, of sportsmen and women to be able to do marksmanship or shoot clay pigeons. That`s protected under the Second Amendment.
But we already have reasonable restrictions under the Second Amendment. We don`t allow machine guns, mortars, all sorts of weapons of war. And these are weapons of war as well. They should be restricted too.
And I tell you when I talked to Republicans on Capitol Hill today. Many of them agree, you know, we pass laws to prevent automatic weapons from being on America`s streets so that they wouldn`t have massacres like this. There have been ways that gun dealers have gotten around those laws. And we got to stop it.
HAYES: 1986, the ban on automatic weapons, 600,000 previous to that had been grandfathered in. But in this case it appears a legal device essentially modifying those semi-automatic weapons to fire automatically...
MOULTON: That`s right. And if you look at how the device is constructed, it`s purely to get around the letter to have law.
MOULTON: So, what I`ve been doing is I`ve been working with Republicans behind the scene, not just Democrats, but Republicans who want to make a change to this so -- unfortunately the Republican leadership is unwilling to even have a debate about this, to bring up these bills for a vote, but we`re hoping that through pressure now just from Democrats, but from Republicans as well that we can make this change.
It`s our responsibility as members of congress to make America safer. And these are common sense things. The majority of Americans support that we can do.
HAYES: All right, Congressman Seth Moulton, thank you for making time tonight.
Ahead, the secretary of state did not deny calling the president of the United States a, quote, "moron." How the president responded today and the future of Rex Tillerson after this quick break.
HAYES: Today, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson felt compelled to declare before the nation the president is in fact smart, following exclusive NBC News report that he called the president a moron, or possibly an f`ing moron, and threatened to resign.
According to that report, it fell to Vice President Mike Pence to convince Tillerson, who is fourth in line for the presidency, to stay on board and avoid embarrassing the White House.
Today, after and early morning tweet from the president, "Wow, so many fake news stories today. No matter what I do or say they will not write or speak truth. The Fake News Media is out of control", the secretary of state, who very rarely talks to the press, called a last minute news conference.
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REX TILLERSON, SECRETARY OF STATE: The vice president has never had to persuade me to remain as secretary of state because I have never considered leaving this post.
Let me tell you what I`ve learned about this president, whom I did not know before taking the office. He loves this country. He puts Americans and America first. He`s smart. I think it`s the most important element of the article is to reaffirm my commitment to this role that President Trump has asked me to serve and to dispel this notion that I have ever considered leaving.
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HAYES: The timing appears to have been no accident. As Tillerson was speaking, the president was on his way to Las Vegas on board Air Force One, which happens to be equipped with a lot of TVs.
But while the secretary of state disputed the gist of NBC`s reporting, he didn`t deny having called the president a moron.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you address the main headline of this story that you called president a moron, and if not where do you think the reports --
TILLERSON: I mean, I`m not going to deal with petty stuff like that. I mean, this is what I don`t understand about Washington.
I`m not from this place, but the places I come from, we don`t deal with that kind of petty nonsense.
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HAYES: Tillerson`s spokesperson, Heather Nauert, later said the secretary of state doesn`t use language like moron and didn`t call the president that name.
Later during a visit with doctors treating the victims of Las Vegas massacre, the president himself weighed in on the controversy.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Any response to Rex Tillerson?
TRUMP: Yeah. I am very honored by his comments. It was fake news. It was a totally phony story. Thank you very much.
It was made up by NBC. They just made it up. Thank you all. Total confidence in Rex. I have total confidence.
Thank you very much everybody.
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HAYES: Carol Lee is NBC National Political reporter, part of the team that broke the story on Tillerson today.
According to your reporting obviously Tillerson`s spokesperson denied the comment, a lot of denials today, a lot of accusations on fake news.
According to your reporting, what was the sort of participating incident that brought this crescendo?
CAROL LEE, NBC NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: There were several.
This goes back to the early parts of Tillerson`s tenure when he was trying to get staff of the state department, bringing in people, and he had disagreements with the White House.
There were early clashes with the president`s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, over certain foreign policies. Then there were clashes with the president over his foreign policies. We saw the president undermine him on Middle East policy in terms of how to deal with Kuter and the dispute with Saudi Arabia.
We saw the president get frustrated with him when he was pressing him to recertify the Iran deal. And then you move into July, and there were a series of meetings, including the one in after which he called the president a moron, where Tillerson was also frustrated, just with generally, with the way the president was handling his advice, and so this kind of came to a head then.
And then the president gives speech at Boy Scouts of America that`s very politicized and Tillerson is an Eagle Scout, former head of this organization, and that was very frustrating for him too.
HAYES: Yeah. First of all, before I get to that though, was it moron or f`ing moron?
LEE: It`s unclear. But you know -- it was definitely moron.
HAYES: The Boy Scouts -- there is reporting at the time -- it was strange moment. The Boy Scout speech happens, there`s sort of a reaction of shock from a lot of people. He takes this speech which is a Boy Scout speech and out there, very political, rails against Hillary Clinton if I`m not mistaken.
LEE: Talks about his own election.
HAYES: Talks about his own election. Tillerson is in Texas at that point and there`s reporting at the time that he was upset by it. Does that track with what you learned?
LEE: Right. Well it is more just around that time all of these things came to head.
And the way this worked out is Secretary Mattis and then Homeland Security Secretary, now Chief of Staff, John Kelly, were the ones who tried to convince Tillerson to stay.
He comes back to D.C. after that Boy Scout speech and he has a meeting with Vice President Pence whose role was a little bit role different. It was basically to say, you need to be more respectful of the president. You need to be on board with him publicly and if you have any disagreements you need to resolve them privately, and he gave him what was described as a pep talk.
HAYES: There was reporting today in The Daily Beast that there were people inside the White House that just hoped that Tillerson would quit today.
LEE: Well, the thing about Tillerson is if the president decides that he is going to distant himself, he doesn`t have a lot of supporters in White House, in congress or state department.
HAYES: Certainly not state where he is widely loathed.
LEE: Right. Exactly. So, it is hard to see who would rally to his side except maybe Mattis and Kelly, who were the ones who tried to convince him to stay.
HAYES: Alright. Carole Lee, thanks for your great reporting, your true, true news.
Josh Earnest was the White House Press Secretary under President Obama and is now an MSNBC political analyst.
What do you make of all this, Josh?
JOSH EARNEST, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Chris, it is a pretty remarkable set of circumstances when you have the state department spokeswoman coming out to read out a call between the secretary of state and President of the United States and she describes the call as good, and the fact that she described the call as good is newsworthy.
It was a pretty remarkable day.
HAYES: Okay, so Carole just mentioned something at the end of that that I want to sort of look at.
It is remarkable to me the amount of reporting there is, and the amount of almost taken for granted public acceptance of the fact that there`s this sort of people whose job it is to protect the country from the president.
So like, Mattis and Tillerson and Kelly, that they`re in this sort of alliance to restrain the country from the president, and then you have Bob Corker today, Republican senior senator from Tennessee, basically making that point, saying they stand between us and chaos.
EARNEST: He did make that point, Chris, and I think the other part of this is, here`s the thing that should not be lost in this reporting.
It is obvious that Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is incredibly frustrated by his job and by his boss. That`s why it`s not at all surprising to wake up in the morning and read the good reporting from Carol and her colleagues.
Look, Secretary of State Tillerson does have a responsibility and this was his job description going into the job. This is not a surprise. It wasn`t sprung on him at the last minute that he was going to work for someone who could generously be described as a neophyte when it comes to foreign policy thinking.
And here`s the thing, Chris, I`m not really sure that Secretary Tillerson has succeeded in trying to preventing President Trump from doing some bad things in the realm of foreign policy. He pulled out of the Transpacific Partnership, he is threatening to undermine the Iran deal, he pulled out of The Paris Climate Agreement, and he insulted our NATO allies on his first trip to a NATO meeting.
So, if Secretary Tillerson`s responsibility is to try to erect these guard rails and keep President Trump on track, I think it would be very difficult for a Secretary Tillerson and his defenders to point to much success that he`s had.
HAYES: Having covered the Obama administration, one of the things, and I would hear this off the record, there`s always friction between the agencies and cabinet members and White House. Always. There`s always a sense that the White House is micromanaging, natural sort of.
Where do you put this on that spectrum in terms of what we`re seeing in this administration as opposed to the one you worked in and previous ones.
EARNEST: Well Chris, this is particularly true when it comes to the secretary of state, and I can tell you from conversations I have participated in in the last few years of the Obama White House, that the Secretary of State, John Kerry in this case, was in a position to deliver bad news to the President of the United States on regular basis because the secretary of state is dealing with some really tough stuff.
So he was in a position to tell the president, look Mr. President, just to update you on the negotiations on the Iran, it`s not going well now, the Iranians are moving the goal post on us. Or, Mr. President, we are trying to complete this climate deal, but we need you to intervene with the Indians, and I know you have a bunch of other things on your plate, but we need you to call the Prime Minister.
That`s not a particularly pleasant conversation to have even under the best circumstances. So, this kind of tension and challenge that any secretary of state has to endure is not unique to Secretary Tillerson, but it`s clear he`s not handling it nearly as well as his predecessors did.
HAYES: Do you -- I`m trying to think how to phrase this. Do you think that people other than Tillerson who work for the president view him as a moron?
EARNEST: Well, look, Chris, there are a lot of people -- go back to what I was saying before, it is not a surprise to anybody paying attention that President Trump doesn`t really know what he`s talking about when it comes to foreign policy.
He hasn`t spent any time thinking about it. He doesn`t clearly understand the consequences of his words and his actions and its impact on our alliances. And in some ways, even its impact on our adversaries, and I have North Korea in mind here.
Setting aside the pejorative language that Secretary Tillerson didn`t deny that he used, it is not surprising to anybody who follows politics in either party or any branch of government that President Trump is not at all experienced or familiar or shows much intellectual curiosity in dealing with the complicated world he`s responsible for leading.
We expect the President of the United States to be the leader of the free world, but President Trump hasn`t spent any time thinking about it.
HAYES: Yeah, we should also put this in the broader context of just an unending daily series of quotes from White House officials anonymously that refer to the president as if he were in words of Michelle Goldberg, a malevolent toddler. What the words of White House officials, the picture they paint.
Josh Earnest, much appreciated.
EARNEST: Thank you, Chris.
HAYES: That is All In for this evening.
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