Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: November 14, 2016 Guest: Keith Ellison, Jess McIntosh, Jonathan Greenblatt, Nihad Awad, Bill Moyers
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"ALL IN" with Chris Hayes starts right now.
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on ALL IN.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Do I have concerns? Absolutely. Of course, I`ve got concerns.
HAYES: The president meets the press.
OBAMA: This office has a way of waking you up.
HAYES: As the president-elect hires a purveyor of white nationalism to lead his White House.
Tonight, the bipartisan backlash to Donald Trump`s biggest hire.
Plus, in an ALL IN exclusive, Congressman Keith Ellison announces his intention to run the DNC. And he joins me for his first interview tonight.
Then, former Clinton campaign spokesperson Jess McIntosh in her first interview since the election, and White House veteran and journalism icon Bill Moyers, on what lies ahead in Trump`s America when ALL IN starts right now.
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HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.
Today, as I have every day since Donald Trump`s victory, groups of Americans took to the street in protest.
This is the scene in Los Angeles, site of one of several student walkouts that took place across the country.
Meanwhile, in Washington, President Obama held his first news conference since Election Day. The president striking a relatively positive tone while also suggesting the president-elect is in for a wake-up call.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This office has a way of waking you up and those aspects of - is positions or predispositions that don`t match up with reality, he will find shaking it up pretty quick because reality has a way of asserting itself.
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HAYES: Trump is poised to enter the White House with zero experience in the government or the military, the first time in this nation`s entire history. During his meeting with the president last week, a source tells NBC News, Trump asked how many White House staffers he could replace and was surprised when President Obama told him it is his job to replace everyone.
In his remarks today, the president repeatedly urged Trump to send "signals of unity" to groups he offended starting with his staffing decisions where Trump has already taken a massive step in the opposite direction, naming as his Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor, Steve Bannon, the former chief of Breitbart News, a Web site that has become an online home to white nationalism.
Discussion -- decision has generated a furious backlash and later in the show we will have the heads of both the Council on Arab Islamic Relations and the Anti-defamation League here to respond.
Trump who famously told NBC`s Chuck Todd last year that he gets military advice from, quote, "the shows," seems to be looking to fill many top people to pose with people he has seen on FOX News. Among those he`s reportedly considering for high-ranking positions, FOX National Security Commentator, Richard Cornell, FOX Contributor, Laura Ingraham and FOX Commentator, John Bolton.
Bolton, a proponent of a very aggressive military posture in behalf of the United States across the globe, is said to be a leading contender for Secretary of State.
Last year, Bolton (INAUDIBLE) headline, "To stop Iran`s bomb, bomb Iran."
Trump has tapped three of his children, Ivanka, Eric, and Don Jr. to run his business empire, an arrangement he falsely calls a blind trust. Now, NBC News has learned that Trump is exploring the possibility of getting top secret security clearances for all three of those children. Potentially giving them access to the nation`s most closely guarded secrets at the same time they seek to grow the family fortune.
All of this is happening as democrats seek to pick up the pieces after last week`s disastrous showing at the polls.
Today, Representative Keith Ellison formally launched his bid to become the next chair of the DNC with strong backing from among others, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer.
Many are pointing to this clip from last July as a central plank of Ellison`s resume for the job.
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KEITH ELLISON, DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE OF MINNESOTA: All I want to say is that anybody from the democratic side of the fence who thinks that -- who is terrified of the possibility of President Trump, better vote, better get active, better get involved because this man has got some momentum, and we better be ready for the fact that he might be leading the republican ticket next --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know you don`t believe that but I want to go on --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry, I laughed.
ELLISON: We had Jesse Ventura in Minnesota win the governorship. Nobody thought he was going to win. I`m telling you, stranger things have happened.
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Joining me for his first interview since formally entering the race for DNC chair is Representative Keith Ellison of Minnesota. Congressman, it`s great to have you here.
ELLISON: Thank you, Chris.
HAYES: I think -- I think -- let`s start here. I think people are looking at this position to head the DNC as the kind of first concrete step the Democratic Party is going to take to understand what happened last week and to reverse its fortunes.
Why do you want to lead the DNC and what is your vision for that -- for that institution?
ELLISON: You know, Chris, I believe that every American should know that the Democratic Party is there for the working men and women of this party. The Democratic Party is the vehicle for people to reach their hopes, their dreams, to be able to live a good, quality life and have an inclusive society.
You know, the fact is that -- you know, we did -- what we saw, I think, is a -- is a table flip. People outraged because of stagnant wages for quite a long time, feeling like they have not been heard, feeling like the folks with the money put that money in to politics and kind of took the attention away from them as citizens of our country.
Well, you know, I believe we`ve got to return that focus right back to the working man and woman of this country, affirm the idea of better wages, affirm the idea of the right to bargain collectively on the job, affirm the idea of having a clean environment.
You know, these are the things that are core values and that`s where I want to take the Democratic Party.
HAYES: It`s interesting to hear you say that because, as you know, better than anyone, there`s this roiling debate happening among democrats and different writers and progressives about what happened --
HAYES: And different theories for it. What I`m hearing from you is a kind of economic populism argument. I mean, what I`m hearing from you is that you feel that the Democratic Party -- I don`t know if you mean the Clinton campaign specifically - essentially lost its core economic message. Is that the critique?
ELLISON: You know, let me say this. If you look at the numbers in the last election, President Obama actually won a larger number of white working-class voters than voted for Hillary Clinton. So, if it`s -- if it was simply some sort of racial backlash, then that is an unlikely outcome.
I think what happened is that Trump did appeal to negativity, had a negative campaign, calling her crooked Hillary, which was -- and sometimes negative campaigning can work. That`s why people spend money doing it.
And so, unfortunately, they have been trying to tarnish Hillary Clinton for a long time and her good record, her excellent record of service just wasn`t able to break through in the last week of that campaign, and I think that`s pretty much what happened.
HAYES: So there`s a deeper -- there`s a deep -- there`s the question of the campaign in terms of the presidential, right, but there`s a deeper question and it has to do with this sort of states across the industrial Midwest that flipped including almost, shockingly, your State of Minnesota.
ELLISON: But it didn`t.
HAYES: It did not.
But it came voided -- you -- if I gave you truth serum, you`re going to tell me you thought it would be that close?
ELLISON: No, I did not think it was going to be that close, but I will tell you that in my district, the Fifth Congressional District, we got over -- we got 250,000 votes out and because of that we helped keep our state blue -
HAYES: Let me -- let me ask you -
ELLISON: But they did -- they did -- they did a good, you know --it was tougher than I thought it was going to be.
HAYES: Let me ask you this, though, because of -- because of the kind of district you represent, which in some ways is an urban district, it`s a heavily democratic district, what do you say to people who say someone who represents a heavily blue urban district is not the right person to be -- have their finger on the pulse of the kinds of districts, say your colleague Colin Peterson`s district in the western part of the state that he won -- that Trump won overwhelmingly, is not the kind of person to have their fingers on the pulse of the kinds of districts democrats would need to win to win back the house, the kinds of places that the democrats would need to win back the Senate and the White House.
ELLISON : Well, let me tell you, I go out to the Seventh Congressional District of Minnesota all the time, sit down with people, diners, talk with folks and have a great relationship with Colin. He`s a very good friend of mine. I go down to Iowa, Wisconsin, I`m born in Michigan and go there frequently.
I think I got my finger on the pulse of what democrats and Americans more importantly want from their government, which means that everybody -- the thing that unites all of us is everybody wants to make a good living and I think when you see a Trump candidacy and now president-elect, trying to use differences of religion and race to divide people, you know, sometimes that can work in the short term. But I believe a message of solidarity, and economic opportunity, and prosperity is going to win out, and that`s what the Democratic Party stands for, and that is where we`re going to have our focus.
Voter turnout, strengthening the grassroots and making sure that every working man and woman knows the democrats are on their side.
HAYES: I want to ask you, criticisms coming from a number of different directions. And the first is the GOP, the Republican Party put out an op- ed file on you, essentially accusing you more or less of just being a real -- a lefty. You want single payer, voted for the progressive budget which would have raised taxes. Your positions are too far to the left and extreme. What`s your response to them?
ELLISON: My response is that, you know, there`s absolutely no democrat at all that would be acceptable to them. They focus --
HAYES: Fair point.
ELLISON: Right. They focus --
HAYES: They`re not going to put out a statement saying we applaud the DNC.
ELLISON: I love this guy. That`s not going to happen.
So you know, I don`t think their criticisms can be taken seriously. They basically specialize in trying to run down people`s character. That`s their main political weapon, is character assassination.
And I`m going to tell you, you know, we`re going to be fighting back to make sure that the focus is on the people, is on the people and their quality of life, not them and their character assassination machine.
HAYES: Howard Dean, of course, former chair of the DNC who says he`s a friend of yours, a supporter of yours.
ELLISON: Great guy.
HAYES: At the congress, I know you guys have a good relationship. He basically made a very practical kind of logistical argument, he`s running for DNC chair that it`s just an impossible job to do while you`re sitting member of congress. Take a listen.
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HOWARD DEAN, FORMER DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: Look, I like Keith Ellison a lot. I went door to door with him for his very first election. I think his politics is great. I like him.
I don`t believe you can have this job and have a seat in the congress or -- in or the Governor`s office. And this job is 80, 90 hours a week. You can`t do both.
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HAYES: What do you say to that?
ELLISON: You know, the real issue is vision. Where are you going to take the party?
My vision is to focus our attention on strengthening the grassroots, put our priority on voter turnout and to campaign, you know, 365 days a year, and then talking door to door with people in their neighborhoods and in mixed communities.
I have a work ethic that people who know me know that nobody is going to outwork me. I`m going to be tireless working all the time and I`m going to be making sure that the message gets to the people.
Plus, let me tell you this, Chris, this is not a job just for one person. We`re going to raise and inspire millions of people. Millions of people all over this country.
Anybody who thinks that this is just one guy who is going to do everything, it`s not true. My vision will be to empower people across the grassroots and that`s why I got support of folks, you know, who are DNC members, four party chairs from all over this country supporting me already because they know I`m going to be making them -- putting them -- helping to empower them to strengthen people in their state, their county, their precincts. That`s the real point.
HAYES: Let me ask you -- let me conclude on this.
You`re one of two practicing Muslims in the United States Congress. You are looking at a president-elect who has called to ban Muslims from the country and who just installed as basically his top -- one of top two people in the White House, Steve Bannon, who, you know, runs a Web site that`s warned of Obama importing Muslims, who has trafficked in all kinds of very ugly and gross stereotypes.
I mean, what is your reaction to the announcement about Steve Bannon?
ELLISON: Well, you know, personnel is policy, right? I think Elizabeth Warren said that.
When you appoint certain people, you`re telling us what your administration is going to be about. And all I have to say is this. We are going to come together.
We`re not going to let these people divide us and conquer us. We`re not going to let them divide the black from the white, from the Latinos, from the folks born here, folks who came here, different religions, we`re all unified. We`re one America and we`re going to come together and we`re going to rebuild that ladder of opportunity for everybody.
We`re going to make sure people have real security, social security, economic security and we`re going to make sure that folks know that the Democratic Party is on their side. And any of this divisive stuff to break us apart is not going to work because we`re going to be on the case and everybody all over this country is going to understand that, you know, when we say liberty and justice for all, that means all. No exceptions.
HAYES: All right. Representative Keith Ellison, thank you for your time tonight. I really appreciate it.
KEITH ELLISON: Thank you, Chris.
HAYES: All right. Still to come, the iconic journalist, Bill Moyers with his reaction on the election of Donald Trump.
And next, an on the record insider account of what went wrong in the Clinton campaign, former spokesperson, Jess McIntosh, sharing her thoughts for the first time here with me after this two-minute break.
HAYES: As democrats look for a way forward, Hillary Clinton and the people in her orbit, many who have long dominated the Democratic Party, are sifting through the data to try to find the cause of this historic loss.
A few hours ago, Hillary Clinton called up house democrats, sources on that call telling NBC News, she thanked her supporters, emphasizing a need to analyze what happened. Not a call with donors over the weekend, Hillary Clinton cited the unprecedented intervention of the FBI as a decisive issue.
"There`s a lot of issue reasons why an election like this is not successful. But our analysis, that FBI Director James Comey`s letter raising doubts that were groundless, baseless, proven to be, stopped our momentum."
That sentiment was echoed in an internal Clinton campaign memo with polling data that said, "There is no question that a week from Election Day, Secretary Clinton was poised for a historic win, but in the end late breaking development in the race proved one hurdle too many for us to overcome."
Speaking to us for the first time since the election, about the campaign, Jess McIntosh, Director of Communications Outreach for Hillary Clinton`s Campaign and a friend of the show. It`s good to have you here. Thank you for your time.
JESS MCINTOSH, COMMUNICATIONS FOR CLINTON CAMPAIGN DIRECTOR: Thanks for having me.
HAYES: How do you understand what happened last week?
MCINTOSH: It`s tough. Obviously, it`s been a really hard week.
I have been incredibly heartened to see how quickly the activist base mobilized to talk locally, how do we protect our neighbors who are in more jeopardy than they were before because of this, what can we do in the immediate sense we lost the grander war and I think that speaks to an amazing resilience and also the fact that we won the popular vote.
There were more people who voted for Hillary`s positive, inclusive vision for America than voted for Trump`s and even more that didn`t come out at all.
But I think any conversation that talks about what happened without talking about sexism and racism is going to be missing a really large point of 2016.
The fact that that woman, that supremely qualified, talented woman and that campaign which worked harder than, I mean, all -- every winning presidential campaign is wonderful. This one was run like that. We were in every state doing everything that needed to happen.
The fact that that operation and that woman couldn`t beat that man and that operation, which was basically non-existent, means that we have so much more work to do.
HAYES: Yeah. Where does that leave you in terms of how you think about building off of it, right?
So, I think we should just be clear, this has been the line I`ve been using that it`s like if you lose a basketball game by one point, you can look at the last shot.
HAYES: Which is the James Comey letter, and then you look at all four corners and you can identify he missed two free throws in the second quarter. Like there`s a million things to determine the outcome.
MCINTOSH: And I think -- and I think the James Comey letter -- I mean, obviously everything she said today was correct. I think that the James Comey letter was one of those things. We had so many one of those things, variables, we had the Russians hacking the personal g-mail account of our campaign chair. We had -- I mean, the DNC WikiLeaks, there was the Comey letter. There is one unifying variable of this campaign, which was we were running a woman.
MCINTOSH: That has not happened before.
HAYES: And my understanding, from my conversations with the Clinton folks, right, is that there`s a certain demographic. Everyone sort of comes up with their demographic path to victory, and in some ways the demographic bet was there`s going to be some demographics on which she underperforms that will be made up for ones in which she over performs. And one of those was women, particularly republican women, white women, we should be clear women of color overwhelmingly voted for her and have overwhelmingly voted for every democratic presidential candidate.
HAYES: But she, among white women, didn`t do any different than essentially Obama in 2012, a point better.
HAYES: How do you make sense of that?
MCINTOSH: I internalized misogyny as a real thing, and this is a thing that we have to be talking about as we go through and see --
HAYES: What does that mean, though?
MCINTOSH: My guess is it looked -- the president said it the best during this whole campaign. We as a society react poorly to women seeking positions of power.
We are uncomfortable about it, and then we seek to justify that uncomfortable feeling because it can`t possibly be because we don`t want to see a woman in that position of power.
We need to, as we -- as we go through this numbers, as we figure out exactly what happened with turnout, it seems to be white college educated women. My guess is that breaks down married/unmarried. My guess is it breaks down older/younger.
But we have work to do talking to those women about what happened this year and why, why would -- why we would vote against our self-interests.
HAYES: So here`s my question, though. I mean, there`s some part of me that knowing the way politicians think --
MCINTOSH: -- that if the takeaway is that sexism was one of the driving forces behind this defeat --
HAYES: -- there`s going to be this temptation to be like, "Let`s just run a man." I mean, you and I both know how politicians think.
HAYES: It`s like look, if that`s true and that`s the path of least resistance, like, we tried that, it didn`t work.
I remember talking to a lot of folks in 2012 -- Barack Obama --
MCINTOSH: But it would just see another self-reinforcing sexist mechanism. Because we didn`t say, well John Kerry didn`t work, well John Edwards didn`t work, well Michael Dukakis didn`t work. Let`s run all of these women. Clearly that`s the way to do it.
So the idea that we would suddenly say in this case in this one variable, clearly that was the problem. I think we have to look a lot more holistically. We have to look at the role of the media played in normalizing this stuff. We have to watch really carefully, how Steve Bannon is covered if he takes over a chief White House Strategist role.
I mean, this is a man who speaks spells violent misogynist rhetoric on his Web site, who is a white supremacist, who enables a hate movement and he is coming in to the White House.
Seeing him be portrayed as something like an outsider, maverick type can`t possibly sit well with any of us. So, we`re fighting in increment now but we`re still fighting.
HAYES: All right. Jess Mcintosh, thank you so much for making the time. I really appreciate it.
HAYES: It`s good to have you here.
Coming up, the man who boasted his Web site gave the Alt-Right a platform is now as Jeff saying Donald Trump`s top strategist in the White House, tonight.
The Anti-defamation league and the Counsel on American-Islamic Relations are denouncing Trump`s hiring of Steve Bannon, and both groups join me ahead.
HAYES: Across the political spectrum today, there were condemnations of president-elect Donald Trump naming Steve Bannon as a Senior Counselor and chief White House Strategist.
Of course, prior to be named Chairman of Donald Trump`s presidential campaign, Bannon was Executive Chairman of Breitbart, which he himself described this way, "We`re the platform for the Alt-Right. "
"Alt-Right" is a term for those who believe in white nationalism but don`t want to call it that.
Just two weeks after a (INAUDIBLE) white supremacist killed nine African- Americans at a church in Charleston, Breitbart featured this headline, "Hoist it high and proud, the confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage."
And let`s not forget headlines like these, "Why equality and diversity departments should only hire rich, straight white men." Europe`s rape epidemic: Western women will be sacrificed at the alter of mass migration."
And the site published an editorial by Dutch nationalist, Geert Wildeers, titled "Let`s lock the door to Islam."
That`s a mere sampling. Breitbart routinely traffics in racism and xenophobia and hatred of women.
"The solution to online harassment is simple, women should logoff." And, "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy."
There`s never just Breitbart content that would be indicative enough. Raising questions about Bannon`s beliefs.
Bannon`s ex-wife claimed as part of a 2007 divorce filing, that he said he didn`t want to send their children to a school with Jews.
Mary Louise Piccard said in her statement, June 27th, 2007, in a court filing, the biggest problem he had with our Archer -- that was the school they`re considering -- is the number of Jews that attend.
Bannon, through a spokesperson denied it. In Trump`s campaign, of which he was chairman, didn`t always push back against the anti-Semitism that became entwined with the Trump phenomenon, particularly online.
White supremacist, David Duke said, Bannon, "has really been right on about a lot of issues facing European-Americans. He`s really talked about them and supported in the right -- in some ways, the Alt-Right."
Bannon`s ascension to a role that will make him one of the most powerful people in the country and on the earth has brought an avalanche of criticism an outrage from democratic leaders but also from republicans, like Governor John Kasich`s adviser, John Weaver who tweeted, "The racist fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the oval office. Be very vigilant, America."
Independent presidential candidate and conservative Evan McMullin who tweeted "Will any national level elected GOP leaders condemn Donald Trump`s appointment of anti-Semites Steve Bannon to Senior White House role."
Among the groups, that have condemned the choice, strong words, from the Anti-Defamation League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the heads of those organizations join me next.
HAYES: The announcement that Steve Bannon will now serve as a Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor in president-elect`s White House has met with widespread condemnation.
The Anti-defamation league calling it, "A sad day when a man who presided over the premier Web site of the "Alt-right," a loose-knit group of white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists, is slated to be a senior staff member in the people`s house."
And the Council on American Islamic Relations urged Trump to reconsider, pointing out that the appointment of Steven Bannon as a top Trump administration strategist sends a disturbing message that anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and white nationalist ideology will be welcomed in the White House.
Joining me now, the CEO and national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt. And Jonathan, are your concerns about the allegations of his wife in the divorce filings, something I should say that Bannon has denied, or the website he ran, or both?
JONATHAN GREENBLATT, CEO, ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE: Look -- Chris, thanks for having me.
I`m not going to get into gossip and talk about he said/she said. What we`re focused on is what we know. And what we know is that under Steve Bannon`s leadership, Breitbart emerged as the haven, the platform, if you will, of this loose knit band of white supremacists we call it the alt- right.
HAYES: What do you see -- what message is being sent in this appointment, from your perspective?
GREENBLATT: Well, it`s a good question. You know, I think on both sides, this is a tense moment in this country. We`ve not only seen demonstrations, sometimes descend to violence across the nation, we`ve seen an uptick in hate crimes and bias incidents all around the country -- anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, racist, homophobic. So in this moment where we`re seeking middle ground, when the president-elect talked about bringing the country together, appointing Steve Bannon drives a divisive message that even though it`s the People`s House, not all people are welcome.
HAYES: I want to read you something that the head of the -- the chair of the American Nazi Party said today pleasantly surprised by Bannon`s appointment. "Perhaps The Donald is for real and is not going to be a controlled puppet directed by the usual wire pullers, and does indeed intend to rock the boat. Time will tell."
That`s the American Nazi Party basically saying this sends us a message that this president might be more in line with our values than we thought and we`re encouraged.
GREENBLATT: Well, you could tell an awful lot about someone in life not by what they say but by their friends, by the people whose company they keep, by the people who support them and we`ve seen the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and white supremacists of all different shapes and sizes exhalting over the naming of Steve Bannon.
And I think this is the issue, right. I can`t speak to the president- elect`s intentions, I can only talk about the outcomes. And this seems to embolden the extremists, and that`s what we find so problematic.
HAYES: What do you say to those who say, and I`ve raised this with other folks who say, look, Jared Kushner is -- obviously he`s Jewish and devout, Ivanka is a convert. Joe Pollack, who is a Jewish writer over at Breitbart wrote a piece defending Bannon saying it`s ridiculous to call him an anti- Semite. What do you say to folks who say this is libel, essentially, and you don`t -- you know nothing of this man?
GREENBLATT: Look, all I know are the facts. And the facts show us that like some of the headlines you quoted earlier, Breitbart is a cesspool of birtherism, racism anti-Semitism, misogyny, literally it`s like the Pandora`s Box pulled wide open.
So, I don`t -- you know, it`s hard to say why this is happening. All we can focus on are the results and the results are bringing in toxicity into our political conversation and we think at the ADL, we`ve been monitoring extremism for more over 100 years. Intolerance like this has no place in the public square, certainly not down the hall from the Oval Office.
HAYES: Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti-Defamation League, thank you, sir, appreciate it.
And joining me now is Nihad Awad. He is the executive director of CAIR, Council on American Islamic Relations.
Mr. Awad, your reaction to the naming of Steve Bannon?
NIHAD AWAD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CAIR: Well, as our previous guest said, it is shocking, especially since we hear the statement from President-elect Donald Trump on Sunday on "60 Minutes" saying that he would like to move the country forward, he would like to unite Americans. And the first thing we see is that he appointed someone who is not going to bring Americans together, he`s going to divide Americans further. And because of his not only rhetoric, but the fact that he presided over a news website that denigrates women for using birth control or accusing Jews for having conspiracies against the United States and through banking and so on, attacking African-Americans and also attacking American Muslims, attacking immigrants.
These are the wounds that have been inflicted on our nation in the past many months in an ugly campaign. And now America needs not to see further division. We need to heal the nation and we need to work together.
So for a country as big as ours, as diverse as ours, and as divided as ours, we need personnel in the White House who will advance and reflect the values of diversity, equal justice, equality. And I don`t see Muslims, Jews, blacks or women around the table if Steve Bannon is in the White House.
HAYES: The FBI released a report today on hate crimes for last year. And we should note this is during a year that both featured an election and several attacks on the U.S. that were later claimed by ISIS or by folks who pledged loyalty to is, some of the context for what happened in 2015. But there are shocking statistics, 67 percent jump in offenses against Muslims. We`ve heard anecdotal and it`s hard to get empirical numbers on attacks attacks in the days after the election. How concerned are you?
AWAD: Very much concerned. And I get calls from parents and I get calls and text messages on behalf of children from parents and community leaders. There`s a widespread concern, not only in the past 18 months, but even after the win of Donald Trump of the election last Tuesday.
So we see an uptick in hate crimes and acts of vandalism, women accosted on college campuses. And so there is fear, also our community is resilient. We`re not going to resort to fear, and we`re not going to be intimidated. This is our country. We`re going to stay here and we`re going to hold the president-elect Donald Trump to the highest standards in defending all Americans and all of those residing in accordance with the U.S. constitution.
HAYES: Final question, given that we`ve seen swastikas and attacks on Muslims, we`ve seen the alt-right express its venom both for Jews and for Muslims, is this a crucial moment for cross-religious solidarity for Jewish people and Muslim people?
AWAD: Absolutely. We have a lot in common and this -- why this country is great because it brings all people together and also we have great faith traditions -- Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and the followers of these religions can bring shining examples not only of America itself, but all of these faith communities. So why this is a challenge it can be an opportunity to bring our communities together on common ground and to fight for justice but also to uphold the values which made this country great and we celebrate.
HAYES: Nihad Awad, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Still to come, I`ll talk with journalism legend and White House veteran Bill Moyers covering Donald Trump and what to expect from president-elect. That and more ahead. But first, tonight`s Thing One, Thing Two starts just after this break.
HAYES: Thing One tonight, for six straight days protesters have taken to the streets in many cities across the country to voice their opposition to Donald Trump. And one of their rallying cries has been that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote despite losing the electoral college.
But as first reported by Mediaite, when you search Google for final count 2016, pretty standard search following last week`s presidential election, the very first news result is a website called 70 News. And it takes you here, a page with a tropical looking pool, the tag line sharing news that matters to you. And a real stunner of a headline, Trump won both popular and electoral college votes.
Why is 70 News leading Google news searches about who won the popular vote in last week`s presidential election? That`s Thing Two in 60 seconds.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: Forget the press, read the internet, study other things, don`t go for the mainstream media. Most of them good news, fortunately most of them won`t be around for very long, in my opinion.
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HAYES: Forget the press, read the internet. And if you believe what Donald Trump said on the campaign trail, you might believe this. The website that comes up first in Google searches about who won the popular vote, leading you to 70 News, an alleged news website with a headline declaring Donald Trump won the popular vote.
If you haven`t heard of 70 News, you`re not alone. It appears just to be a WordPress site someone set up to kind of sort of look like a news website with a few news categories slapped on top.
The first of which is Hillary`s health. As Mediaite reported, the supposed popular vote number it cites appear to come from a Twitter user that goes by Michael. In other words, the whole thing is entirely and completely bogus, a sign that the flood of fake news has permeated Facebook during the election extends to Google News as well, essentially beating the search engine`s algorithm.
Google said today it is looking into the matter. And contrary to the fake report on 70 News, Hillary Clinton is indeed winning the popular vote by a sizable margin, almost 700,000 votes, which is currently larger, the popular vote margin, of President John F. Kennedy and approaching the margin from Richard Nixon`s first win in 1968.
And Clinton`s popular vote lead is only expected to grow. Just 93 percent of votes have been counted, a majority of uncounted are in New York, California and Washington, states Clinton won handily. When all is said and done, Clinton might end up with a popular vote margin that is not too far off the much maligned national polling numbers.
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OBAMA: Michelle and I want to offer our deepest condolences to Gwen Ifill`s family and all of you, her colleagues, on her passing. Gwen was a friends of ours. She was an extraordinary journalist. She always kept faith with the fundamental responsibilities of her profession, asking tough questions, holding people in power accountable and defending a strong and free press that makes our democracy work.
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HAYES: She was, as one of her colleagues put it, a standard bearer for courage, fairness and integrity. And tonight, reporters and political figures alike are paying tribute to the life and work of the great veteran journalist Gwen Ifill.
Ifill, the beloved and admired co-anchor of PBS NewsHour, moderator of Washington Week, died today following a battle with cancer. The daughter of a Methodist minister, she began her career as print journalism in Boston and then Baltimore at a time when few women of color were working in newsrooms, let alone covering politics and public affairs.
As The Washington Post reports, she recalled getting letters from readers brimming with racial slurs, and in return, receiving a shrug from less than understanding editors.
She worked for The Washington Post and The New York Times before joining NBC News in 1994 as chief congressional and political correspondent, and in 1999 Ifill joined PBS, moderating the vice presidential debate in 2004 and again in 2008, and in 2013 Gwen Ifill, along with journalist Judy Woodruff were named co-anchors of PBC NewsHour. The all-female team was a first for network television. That milestone was not lost on Ifill who told The New York Times, when I was a little girl watching programs like NewsHour, I would look up and not see anyone who looked like me in any way -- no women, no people of color.
I`m very keen about the fact that a little girl now watching the news when they see me and Judy sitting side by side, it will occur to them that`s perfectly normal. It won`t seem like any big breakthrough at all.
Gwen Ifill, journalist and trailblazer was 61-years-old.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Violence rules, predator/prey, that never changes.
UNIDENITIFIED MALE: I`m in a situation where I can`t run from, but my whole time in the streets, that`s all I`ve ever been doing is fighting so I`m looking like I`m in a place where I always trained for but just didn`t know it.
UNIDENITIFIED MALE: The sad part is, the alternative to violence is more violence.
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HAYES: The documentary is called Rikers. It focuses on the experience of men and women formerly detained in one of the most notorious jails in America. Veteran journalist Bill Moyers is the film`s executive director. It`s my great pleasure and honor to welcome you here now. Thank you for being here.
BILL MOYERS, FILMMAKER: Good to be with you.
HAYES: I want to start with the film, which in many ways I think segues to where we are at this moment in America, it`s about this human rights disaster in many ways that is just off the tip of queens in New York City. Why did you want to be part of this film?
MOYERS: I wanted to put a human face on the statistics and stories in the print press that were coming out about the culture of cruelty there. This was 15 to 16 months ago. And to raise the question, is this how, no matter what the offense is, we want to treat people? What does it say, all of the stories that have been told, powerful investigative reporting, what does it say about our society as a civilization and as a democracy?
And I don`t appear in the film. We interviewed these men and women at length and they tell their story in their experience and their own voices.
HAYES: You know, it`s a place of great cruelty institutionally. The thought I had watching it, and I watched it after the election was here we`re sitting and talking about blue America and red America, racism and this is in New York City. This institution is created by the mechanisms of the state of one of the most, quote, liberal places in the whole country.
MOYERS: Oh, yeah, right here in -- two miles from the financial center, from our media center, from the theatrical center and we`re oblivious to what is going on.
It`s a little bit like what happened at Abu Ghraib. Oh no, we don`t torture, we don`t mistreat prisoners of war and then Abu Ghraib came with those photographs of American soldiers sitting on top of those bodies. And it happens right here. I mean, there`s 7,500, 8,000 men and women out there right now as we speak, you know, 80 percent of them have not been convicted of a crime.
MOYERS: 40 percent of them are suffering from some sort of mental illness. And we`ve all been oblivious to it.
HAYES: I want to ask you about -- you`re someone who has been part of politics. You`ve been in the White House. You`ve been a journalist. I mean, what is your reaction to what happened in this country last week?
MOYERS: Well, it`s very complicated, because I think there were many tributaries that flowed in the river that ran to the gulf. Many of them.
I think essentially we`re right to say there was this great concern out there that many people missed about inequality and the growing gap between the 1 percent and everybody else. I think it was a whitelash. I think 48 percent of the country, the voters of the country, were trying to push back against the triumph of women finally getting a woman president and against the people of color, the changing nature color of the country. I think there was a big pushback there.
And I think the press for too long enabled Trump to get away with lies that became beliefs in the minds and hearts of people across the country, his followers. And I think the two parties in Washington had been rotting for a long time. Although, if Trump has his way, he`s going to restore the party in Washington because it`s going to be a party of insiders once again.
A year that began in the Republican Party, and the Democratic Party, as an uprising of the people is going to end as the triumph of the power brokers.
HAYES: I want to focus on one thing you said about the media`s role in this because I think it`s something a lot of people have been talking about. And obviously there`s no media right, there`s a million different outlets.
MOYERS: No, you`re in the media, I`m in the media, Bill O`Reilly`s in the media. Rush Limbaugh...
HAYES: As are -- as of now, fake new sites that appear on Facebook that don`t even have the kind of pretense to factualism.
But one thing that struck me was, if you look at the editorial boards of the American newspapers, and if you looked at the coverage of our sort of tent pole papers, Washington Post, New York Times, they were quite critical. They did report out...
MOYERS: In time, they really did.
HAYES: And yet it -- whatever trust there may be between those voices of authority and a large swath of American voters has entirely gotten eroded.
MOYERS: When I was growing up a long time before you came around, the saying was, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets his shoe tied. Now a lie is ten times around the world before you even get out of the bed and put the shoe on.
The Facebook, Twitter, the speed of communications today, it`s hard for lies. It`s hard for a squad of lies to get catch up with a battalions -- of a squad of truth to get caught up with a battalion of lies. And that`s one thing we`re overwhelmed with. If it`s the Niagara Falls in the body politic of this country, just bringing toxic poison into the system.
HAYES: You worked for the White House, right?
MOYERS: Four years.
HAYES: And right now I think there is this question about the strength of American institutions, liberal institutions, the strength of a kind of restraining set of norms embedded throughout the federal government from the civil service all through the national security sphere to restrain any impulses that might fall outside the boundaries of what we consider American constitutional democracy.
Having been in that White House, how confident are you about that?
MOYERS: Not at all. I mean, and I have to be frank and say that part of this gap between fact-based journalism and untrue journalism began with the credibility gap of the Vietnam War, the continuing insistence on putting a good face on what was going bad out there and then Watergate deepened it. And we`ve never -- and Reagan`s very fluent ability to deceive and misrepresent.
It`s entered into the body politic, it`s entered into our arteries. And governments, all governments lie. There`s a new documentary out about that right now. And our defense against those lies is crumbling, because you know what is happening to newspapers. Newspapers are in really serious financial trouble, not enough revenue to report the investigative journalism that needs to be done and this medium, our medium, television, your medium and mine, is infused with entertainment so that an entertainer becomes more believable, in fact, in the minds of people out there than the truth teller.
And so I`m not optimistic, you know -- I said to a friend of mine on Wall Street how do you feel about the market? And he said I`m optimistic. And I said why do you look so worried, then? He said Because I`m not sure my optimism is justified. I want to believe that the truth will come out, but I don`t really believe it is going to any time soon.
And the great danger of Bannon being in the same metaphorical room right outside the Oval Office with the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, you`re (inaudible) establishment with the ideology, you`re putting a propagandist, and one who is not truthful, a tabloid publisher is going to be the senior adviser to the president of the United States.
You showed some editorials in your previous segment of the headlines on Breitbart`s white website. The one that really roiled me said, Gabby Giffords -- the congresswoman who was almost killed by a gunman -- Gabby Giffords, the human shield for the gun control movement.
I mean, how can these people be so, so brutish, so cruel, so insensitive to what that headlines suggest, I don`t understand it.
HAYES: Yeah. I mean, I think that there`s a sort of -- the sheer indecency is part of the schtick. And there`s a question about whether that wears thin with the American people or not.
MOYERS: And we`re going to have to honor, fund, and support the truth tellers. It`s going to take independent journalists, because newspapers are in trouble. We`re going to have to find a way to support independent journalists who dare to tell the truth.
HAYES: Bill Moyers, it`s such a great honor, it`s a pleasure. Come back any time.
HAYES: Whenever you want.
MOYERS: All right.
HAYES: Great to have you here. The documentary is called Rikers. It premieres tomorrow night on WNAT in New York. We`ll stream on the website Rikersfilm.org as well.
That is ALL IN for this evening. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" starts right now. Good evening, Rachel.
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