Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: November 5, 2016 Guest: Kelly O`Donnell, Jacob Rascon, Josh Barro, Christina Beltran, Michael Moore, Robert George, Erin Gloria Ryan, Christina Greer
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC ANCHOR: It is now 9:00 p.m. on the east coast. Just three days to Election Day. Who is counting at this point, right? At this hour, we`re tracking live campaign events around the country as the candidates and their surrogates begin the final push to get their voters to the polls.
Hillary Clinton just wrapped up a get out the vote concert with Katy Perry in Philadelphia. A major Democratic stronghold in Pennsylvania, one of the few battleground states with no early voting.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump is stumping for votes tonight in Reno, Nevada. A state where early voting which ended last night appears to have given Democrats the edge.
MSNBC`s Jacob Rascon live at the Trump rally in Reno and NBC`s Kelly O`Donnell at Clinton`s get out the vote event in Philly. Kelly, let`s go to you first. What`s the scene like there?
KELLY O`DONNELL, NBC NEWS: It`s been a night of rock `n` roll and patriotism mix together. Just a short time ago, Katy Perry, who has been one of the most prominent, sort of celebrity supporters of Hillary Clinton. She did a concert here. The crowd is still here milling out.
They have the confetti canons. It`s a full kind of pop event evening. As you point out, this is a get out the vote rally because Pennsylvania does not have early voting. We`ve been talking for weeks now about all of the statistics of Americans around the country who have cast their ballots but not in Pennsylvania.
Hillary Clinton was also here. She spoke tonight. The former secretary of state, Madeleine Albright. There was also a little nudge for some of the local Pennsylvania candidates and office holders. And this is about trying to get what seemed to be core supporters to do their part on Tuesday.
HAYES: Kelly, hold on one second. I want to go to Jacob Rascon in Reno because something appears to be happening at the rally right now. Jacob, what`s going on there?
JACOB RASCON, MSNBC: You`re looking at people who are running out of the rally, and to be honest, it`s not clear why that is. It appears there might have been a fight. Some sort of fight right next to where the podium was. If we swing the camera back around, swing it around toward the podium over here --
HAYES: We got it. We got that shot.
RASCON: If you have the shot --
HAYES: We have a closer shot.
RASCON: Secret Service -- it looks like the fight may still be going on. You had Secret Service who jumped down, and they`re still -- they`re still, as you can tell, they`re still telling people to get back to get back.
I was facing the camera preparing for the live shot when Trump left the stage. I don`t know how -- what that looked like or how exactly that happened, Chris. But we saw probably a couple hundred or more people darted out of this place immediately once the Secret Service jumped down and started telling people to get back.
From my vantage point, I`m not able to see what, if any, fight that we`ve heard is going on is going on. I`m not sure if you could see this -- not only looking at Secret Service, it looks like Guard members or somebody was --
HAYES: Yes. We can see them, in cameo and helmets and sort of full sort of full military gear.
RASCON: I don`t know if you can see this as well, but there is a member of the media who is trying to get a shot. I believe he`s from CNN and Trump supporters are not allowing him to go through. They`re pushing him, yelling at him. Somebody just grabbed his camera. I`m watching them yell at him, grab his camera, and push him.
HAYES: That`s --
RASCON: This is going on about 50, 60, 70 feet from where the fight, or whatever that was, was going on in front of the podium, Chris.
HAYES: Now, Jacob -- so we`ve got some disturbance near the front. Secret Service jumping down off the stage after the candidate had left. People streaming out. You said dozens maybe as many as 100 Secret Service saying get away. We`ve got Secret Service. We can see them with the ear pieces.
We`ve also got what appear to be National Guardsmen who are there. Then we don`t know what that disturbance was, right? You didn`t -- it`s not like you heard anything specific that indicates what the disturbance was.
RASCON: No. I didn`t see it. Right now you`re hearing the big loud boos from the crowd, as it looks like the Secret Service and others are escorting whoever made the disturbance out of the rally. I`m trying to look to see -- I don`t know if you are looking at the same shot I am, but I`m looking at somebody in a black sweater who is being escorted out.
This is the person. He has been escorted out by several officers and other police and Secret Service. He is somehow involved, but, again, Chris, as I was facing the camera and so were a lot of the folks right next to me, we didn`t see what started this below the podium.
HAYES: Jacob, so we just -- just so folks know. That gentleman who has been escorted out, it appeared to be as a white gentleman with a shaved head and a jacket. Hoody jacket or a jacket with a hood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody! Your next president of the United States --
RASCON: Donald Trump. Donald Trump has -- after he left the stage -- now he hasn`t come back on to the stage. The reason that this was such a big deal, whatever it was, was because it was so close to the podium. As we`ve said, we don`t know exactly what happened, but we know that it happened right in front of the podium -- Chris.
HAYES: OK. Jacob, we have the tape that I want to roll of whatever incident just happened there. I want you to stand by and let`s take a look.
HAYES: Right. So clearly a scary moment there. You had the candidate, Donald Trump, at the podium. Clearly a disturbance of some sort. The nature of which we do not know at this point. Down close enough to the podium. Secret Service coming out grabbing the candidate, bringing him back stage.
Several Secret Service folks jumping off the platform down into that front area where we saw the disturbance. You can see there`s genuine concern there. I mean, that`s -- that does not happen every day on the campaign trail.
It`s happened -- it`s happened a few times. Probably I can count on one hand the number of times we`ve seen that in this campaign season. Hillary Clinton a few times with protesters. Donald Trump once at a rally in an airport hangar where someone came running at him, and he had Secret Service run out.
So this is not routine what you are seeing right there. Some kind of disturbance. Possibly a melee. Possibly a fight. Possibly just, to be honest, it could -- protester that was loud, but was close enough that the Secret Service got really scared and you can see people down flowing back away from the disturbance, for very understandable reasons.
Secret Service comes down. A few minutes after that you`ve got the National Guard, I believe it is, although I do not have that confirmed, but certainly a gentleman wearing military style gear and camouflage and helmets coming out and patrolling the crowd.
Now, Dan Scavino (ph), who is the sort of warm-up act for Donald Trump, he is the social media manager. He just came out. You are watching a replay, of course. Just so you know. That`s tape on the left there. Live on the right.
Dan Scavino, who is the warm-up act for the Trump campaign, just came out and said nothing is going to stop this movement, and the future president of the United States will be back out in a few minutes.
So that indicates I think that the Secret Service does not think there is a threat, obviously, to the candidate. Jacob, do you have any updates on what`s going on there?
RASCON: Chris, in fact, all of the traveling press at this point have left. I`m supposed to be part of the traveling press, but what that tells me is that he may not come back on stage. We don`t -- somebody on the microphone saying President Trump, we love you.
HAYES: There he is.
RASCON: OK. He is here.
HAYES: Let`s just -- let`s take this for a second, Jacob. I want to see - - let`s just see what he says here.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you very much. Thank you. Nobody said it was going to be easy for us, but we will never be stopped. Never ever be stopped. I want to thank the Secret Service. These guys are fantastic. They don`t get enough credit. They don`t get enough credit. They`re amazing people.
So let`s get back to repealing the defense sequester. Right now it doesn`t sound that exciting, but it`s very important. We`re going to rebuild our badly depleted military. That means brand new modern aircraft, naval air station, and you know what I`m talking --
HAYES: So that is -- that is Donald Trump that`s come back out. As you can tell, clearly Secret Service getting the clearance. That makes me think this disturbance there most likely was probably either a fight or a protester.
Not something that worries them from a security standpoint. Obviously the candidate would not be back out there if there was even a little worry about him.
I want to bring now -- Jacob Rascon will monitor and do some reporting as we find out what exactly the situation is. I want to bring in now John Ralston. The legendary John Ralston, who has been basically live tweeting the vote totals of the state of Nevada, in realtime.
He`s in Reno. Reno, I believe, is Washo County. Am I getting that right? OK, where do things stand with early voting? Apples to apples 2016 and 2012 after the close of it last night in what was a pretty remarkable scene if you want to describe it.
JOHN RALSTON: The scene last night, let me get to that first. I`ve been doing this for a long time, as you know, Chris. I think legendary is just a synonym here for old.
HAYES: That`s right. You picked up on the euphemism. I`ll just use old next time.
RALSTON: I appreciate that. Listen, I have never seen anything like this. You had at a Mexican supermarket thousands of Hispanics vote. Hundreds were in line at once, and they have always kept the polls open until the last person in line can vote, and it seemed that the line just kept going and going and going. It ended up at that market.
It`s called Cardanis Market that about 2,000 people voted. The Democrats ended up increasing their lead in Clark County, Las Vegas, by 11,000 last night, 1,000 of it just at that one site there, and I just think it was almost a celebratory atmosphere from what I can tell.
So where are we after early voting? We are very close in raw votes to where we were in 2012. The Democrats in 2012, they have a lead in Clark County of about 71,000 votes. It`s upward of 72,000 now.
Now, I should say turnout is slightly down and relative to the population because there`s about 150,000 more voters in Clark County, 200,000 in the state. The raw vote total is really what matters here, Chris.
And the fact that they built up a firewall, again in Clark County and that Trump is almost surely by any extrapolation down by double digits in Clark County. It`s going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to win the state.
HAYES: I just want to note that in Reno, Nevada, where Donald Trump is speaking after that scary, he`s just back on prompter. The Jacob Rascon report is back. It does appear the all clear has been getting that very hairy moment, which is disturbing. Quite disturbing.
It has now passed, and obviously Secret Service fields OK about what happened. I`m sure we`re going to get the story. John, one more question, I guess, is if they`re following the mathematical procedure, basically the math that won them 2012, and, again, they beat their polling average by about four points. What would have to happen on Election Day for things to go sideways for the Democrats?
RALSTON: Yes, that`s the right question, Chris. If you look at the models, if you look at the fact that it probably at least two-thirds of the vote is in 70 percent voted before Election Day. You would need the Republicans, number one, to totally juice the turnout more than it`s ever been done before, and also, probably Trump has to win.
Well, listen to this. Based on the numbers by at least ten points on Election Day to win the state if, indeed, it`s even close to what the turnout patterns have been. That is almost impossible, which is why you hear him in Reno right now.
A little earlier complaining about voter fraud and complaining that they kept those polls open so late. They know the score in Nevada, Chris, and it`s not good for them.
HAYES: I`m trying to find the quote. I think you were watching this live. It was -- was it the county chairman or the state chairman for the Nevada - -
HAYES: The state chairman of Nevada GOP who said they kept the polls open last night so those people could vote. Do you feel free? Am I getting that right?
RALSTON: I think he said a certain group.
HAYES: A certain group.
RALSTON: Yes. Of course, you know, those people -- it`s the same euphemism, right?
HAYES: I want to make sure I`m quoting precisely. So a certain group could vote and then I think he said do you feel free at the end of that riff, if I`m not mistaken?
RALSTON: Yes, that`s exactly right. By the way, a close friend of the chairman and person who has been the political director of the state Republican Party now working as the chief poll watcher for the Trump campaign showed up at that supermarket. I referred to it at the end and started complaining about people being allowed to vote.
HAYES: All right. John Ralston, thank you for that. I want to go quickly back to Jacob Rascon in the room with Donald Trump in Reno, Nevada. And after that scare there, what`s the latest, Jacob?
RASCON: I`ll make it really fast. This time the traveling press is really leaving. As you saw, he was taken off the stage and Secret Service agents and others jumped down and grabbed one person who appears to be a protester. That person also surrounded by a lot of the supporters.
That person escorted out and because a lot of people didn`t know what was going on in the crowd they left, a couple hundred at least I would say. The traveling press initially told to leave, but then Trump came back on stage and said nobody said it was going to be easy, but no one will stop us.
And then he continued on and now the traveling press is really leaving, which means he`s almost finished.
HAYES: All right, Jacob Rascon, good luck getting with them. I want to say one more thing. NBC`s own who has been doing tremendous work all throughout this. She said the crowd immediately started turning on the press. Get the f out, liar, scum all shouted as everyone tried to get a sense of what happened.
That anger, that uncertainty, that fear about that scary moment all immediately put on the press. Jacob reporting that A CNN person was trying to get a camera, had his camera taken away.
That gives you a little bit of a taste of where the anger immediately goes when you get a shock in the room like that. There`s much more to come tonight, including documentary filmmaker, Michael Moore, who joins me ahead. Stick around.
HAYES: Joining us now Josh Barro, senior editor for "Business Insider" and an MSNBC contributor, and Christina Beltran, associate professor at NYU, author of "The Trouble With Unity."
We should talk about what we just saw before anything else because that was a scary scene. Let`s just see it there. That`s Donald Trump moments ago in Reno hustled off stage by Secret Service because there`s a disturbance at the front of the room.
Secret service hopping down. Armed folks coming out. The traveling press being led out. It`s unclear possibly for their own safety because we know from our reporter the crowd turned on the press. They turned on the CNN person trying to get a photo.
They started yelling at the press about 100 people left because they didn`t know what was happening. One individual as far as we can tell escorted away. There`s been a few moments -- real scary -- there`s that one where the guy rushed Trump who was unarmed, but there`s been some scary moments.
JOSH BARRO, SENIOR EDITOR, "BUSINESS INSIDER": Well, then more broadly the atmosphere that Trump has created his campaign events for over a year, and the mess in Chicago, that required him to cancel the event. There`s a protester getting punched.
HAYES: Several protesters have been punched.
BARRO: I`ve never seen a political campaign like this in the United States, and it makes me think about something Ross wrote in one of his columns. If you are worried about civil unrest after Donald Trump loses, imagine the civil unrest after he wins.
Both because this environment that he creates among his supporters and this rage that builds up in the crowds and the intense opposition he draws from his opponents and the way that he riles them up and creates situations where they end up fighting with each other.
I think it`s very scary and I think it says something scary about what would happen if he was president.
HAYES: It`s a good point. We should be clear, like, we -- people in the press cover campaigns all the time. They go to all sorts of venues all the time. I have to say I have been at Trump rallies and been treated incredibly well by folks.
Have been happy to talk to me and have had no problem whatsoever, but, you know, there is nothing quite like that atmosphere that`s been created in these rallies particularly for protesters and for members of the press.
CHRISTINA BELTRAN, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, NYU: It`s really interesting. The spectre of violence that has haunted this entire campaign is just really a visceral feeling.
HAYES: I think that`s probably why everyone got so freaked out in that moment.
BELTRAN: We`re all kind of waiting to feel like it`s going to continue happening. I think what`s really interesting if you think about what happened today with Latino voters at the Cardinis Market is it`s so interesting all these different sort of spaces of public gatherings. People are getting together in these collective spaces and they`re doing very different things.
HAYES: Yes, it`s interesting to juxtapose this image here, if we have it with the images of Cardinis, which was the polling location, the Mexican grocery that`s in Clark County that was massive turnout last night. That was kept open.
You know, a little bit of, like, the photo of this and a photo of that rally in Reno and it`s like a little bit of sort of the two Americas that are --
HAYES: -- that have been the fault lines really of this campaign --
BELTRAN: And it`s really interesting who gets named as violent subjects and dangerous and criminalized subjects, and where sort of civic embodiment is happening or people are kind of collectively gathering to become and enact their citizenship in this powerful way. There`s something interesting about the quote about this moment of what does freedom feel like? What does it feel like?
HAYES: It`s a line of the state chair. You know, we`re seeing -- we`re seeing Donald Trump go to more states in the last few days than we normally typically see. Hillary Clinton won`t be going back to Florida. She`s basically going to hit Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania --
BARRO: New Hampshire.
HAYES: New Hampshire, that kind of circuit. A few of them she`s going -- she could be in more than once. Here we have him in Reno. He is going to Minnesota. Yes, there are two ways to interpret that, sign of strength, sign of what the heck are you doing?
BARRO: No. It`s just throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks. He is going essentially everywhere over the next few days. It doesn`t seem strategic at all. I don`t understand the choice of going to Minnesota.
It`s not a state that he`s played in at all before and then he`s here in Nevada where about 70 perce]]]]nt of people have already voted. The reason that Hillary is focused on these few states is] that she`s focussing on states where there`s very little early voting.
Not just Pennsylvania, but Michigan has very little early voting. New Hampshire has very little early voting. So she`s going where there are people who definitely -- when you turn people out on Election Day.
And so one of the questions has been why is she focussing on so much on Michigan? That wasn`t a state that was thought of to be in play. People are somewhat concerned about soft black turnout in Michigan.
And so a lot of people look at that and say the Clinton campaign is nervous. They`re having to protect the state that they weren`t even supposed to really have to defend.
On the other hand, you can look at the map and say so much voting has already happened in Nevada and North Carolina and Florida. So there aren`t that many places where you can really go and do a lot of valuable get out the vote.
So the more optimistic Clinton case is that Michigan, they need to win Michigan and probably will win Michigan. It`s one of the few places where they can go and really haven an effect.
HAYES: I`m thinking about early voting as something that I feel like there is going to be a massive Republican push against after this election. It clearly is -- Democrats have figured out a way to get voters who might be marginal propensity voters. Voters who are on the edges to get them to use that extended period of time to try to get them in the polls, and something tells me given that quote that the state chairman that we might see --
BELTRAN: Yes, it`s an amazing story that increase voter turnout is actually a threat to the --
HAYES: Right. Like you`re sitting there looking at -- you`re sitting there looking at lines and you are thinking to yourself, man, we don`t want that.
BELTRAN: Yes, I mean, I think it`s really going to show this whole question of, like, what it means to talk about voter fraud and why that language of voter fraud has really been about voter empowerment. We don`t have a voter fraud problem. We have a voter turnout problem in this country.
So it`s going to be really interesting to see how the very act of those people voting is already a sign that this is an illegitimate election?
HAYES: Yes, that was the first thing that Donald Trump in that rally, I would say, you are seeing it disburse. It has disbursed without incident further to what we saw. As far as we can tell it`s one individual. We will obviously keep you posted on the updates of what happened, but so far it appears everyone is safe, everyone calm, everyone OK after a very, very scary moment there.
Josh Barro, Christina Beltran, thank you for joining me and thanks for your patience during all that. Don`t go anywhere. Michael Moore joins me right after this break.
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TRUMP: Folks, while we`re at it, great --
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HAYES: All right. That happened just a few moments ago. Probably about 50 minutes ago in Reno, Nevada, in the middle of a Donald Trump rally that was happening there. It appears security, Secret Service, local police ended up taking one gentleman away. Afterwards we`ve got some video of that, it`s been loaded online, and then after that the crowd got real riled up directing a lot of that anger at the press, shouting, yelling at the press, and trying to confiscate the camera of a CNN cameraman.
And then Donald Trump came back out. So the all clear was given. It appears to have just been a protester who got loud, but he was very close obviously to that stage.
Joining me now Michael Moore, new film "Michael Moore in Trump Land" is now available on Amazon and iTunes. I want to talk about Michigan and millenials.
First, you have been in a lot of situations where you are in front of a lot of crowds, and a thing happens, and there`s that moment of fear.
MICHAEL MOORE, FILMMAKER: Yes.
HAYES: Like is this going sideways?
MOORE: Yes, that has happened to me on a number of times. Yes. It`s not a good feeling, but you know, I have been fortunate to have very good security, and here I am still talking to you.
HAYES: There`s always this -- we always have this confidence which I think is largely an earned confidence. Thank God that we -- we conduct our politics no matter smeared in a non-violent fashion for the most part, I mean, particularly when you compare to like place where political violence is extremely routines.
But there`s always something about the way that we`ve gotten so -- the way our politics have gotten so fraught that it makes it feel ominous in a way it didn`t feel before. Maybe that`s just me, but I think --
MOORE: We know the country we live in. It`s not just the political season. We live in a country where there are 300 million guns in people`s homes. Now the good news, according to "The Washington Post" a couple of weeks ago, was that only 3 percent of the American public owns one-half of the guns.
HAYES: It`s more and more guns in fewer and fewer hands.
MOORE: Correct, but that is nine million people owning upwards to 150 million guns.
HAYES: Yes, that is great.
MOORE: So that`s the country we live in. We`re always aware of it and are conscious of it, and we live with it. We deal with it. It will get better. It will get better.
HAYES: Donald Trump is in Nevada. The president of the United States, Hillary Clinton, a few other surrogates are going to Michigan. I`ll talk about your home state.
MOORE: Bill is going to Michigan.
HAYES: And there`s sort of two theories, right, that Josh Barro is just spelling out. They`re locking this down because it`s one of the places that doesn`t have early voting, and they can productively go there, but then there`s folks you I think are worried about Michigan.
MOORE: I have been warning people for months about Michigan. What I call the Brexit states of the rust belt. That it would get close, it would tighten up like this. This is not surprising to me that it may be in somewhere near a virtual tie.
And that they are all going there on Monday, the last day of the campaign are spending it in Michigan. The warning signs have been there for a while. First of all, Hillary couldn`t even win the Democratic primary. She`d lost to Bernie.
Secondly, there were 130,000 more people that showed up on primary day in March that voted Republican over the Democrats in a Democratic blue state, all right? I mean, there was a real --
HAYES: The Republican governor obviously, and a very --
MOORE: A Republican governor, there is a Republican legislature, yes.
MOORE: And nine -- I think nine of 14 members of Congress are Republican thanks to gerrymandering. So yes, this is -- this is something I have been worried about for a long time. Now, the good news is that one of the candidates is going to actually do something to help the people in Michigan.
And the other candidate is using them, and conning them saying he is the man of the people, the "billionaire." I mean, we all of us in Michigan -- I live there, I vote there. We`re all doing what we can do in the next, you know, 50 hours to make sure Michigan stays blue.
HAYES: It`s funny because I remember talking to -- I`m trying to think who it was. I talked to Mitch Stewart, who is the battleground states director for the Obama campaign. It was fairly early in this campaign and one of the things he said, says we over-performed in Michigan because of the auto rescue and Romney`s opposition to it. It was real stark there --
HAYES: -- for those voters because Barack Obama had done the auto rescue, and Mitt Romney, you know, essentially drop dead, it`s a mistake. He thought that it was going to be a lower margin this time around because it was artificially high around that issue?
MOORE: Right. Because Obama used to say, you know, we killed Bin Laden, but we saved Detroit.
MOORE: They never saved Detroit.
HAYES: General Motors -- Bin Laden is dead.
MOORE: Now, Detroit, I mean, a lot of good things are happening in Detroit, and things are improving and have improved, and the Obama administration has been there to help.
MOORE: You go to parts of Detroit now in the midtown area. There`s, like, virtually zero occupancy. You can`t get -- if you want to start a small business in midtown, you can`t do it because it`s all full. These are -- there are good things happening. My main concern, though, are young people and Bernie voters that they understand -- Bernie won the state of Michigan.
MOORE: So I`m going to play -- you have a part about millennials. Let`s play that if we`ve got it.
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MOORE: They didn`t create climate change. They didn`t send the troops to Iraq. Millenials didn`t cause the Wall Street collapse. Why is it on them to fix our (inaudible) situation that we`ve handed them? I mean, seriously.
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HAYES: I like that because I do think sometimes there`s a little bit of this. There`s, like, oh, these dumb millenials. They need to get it together and stop being so woolly-headed. They really did get an unbelievable mess not of their own making, really objectively.
MOORE: Handed. Right. Now it`s like you millenials have to save us on Tuesday. No, you don`t. But what I do want to say --
HAYES: Save yourself.
MOORE: No. You see, we kind of know now. We know how African-Americans - - the majority of African-Americans are going to vote for Hillary. The majority of Hispanics are going to vote for Hillary, right?
MOORE: The majority of women are going to vote for Hillary. All these groups we know how they are going to vote. The one group that is still up in the air are millenials. Not between Hillary and Trump.
HAYES: Right. We know they hate Trump. They will not vote for Trump.
MOORE: It`s between Hillary and not voting or Hillary and voting for Jill Stein.
HAYES: Or Gary Johnson.
MOORE: Not in Michigan. So that`s -- so that`s what -- what I say to millenials is do what you want to do, do what you think you should do. Let me tell you something, you hold the power now for the next three days. You are the most powerful political group demographic in this country.
And if you show up in record numbers for Hillary and she wins, the headline on Wednesday and Thursday is going to be it was the millenials that put Hillary Clinton in the White House and the power you will have for the next four years because you`re the ones that did this. You`re the ones that did this.
HAYES: This is a really good point because I was having this thing -- this feeling last night as I was watching. You know, we`re starting to get some numbers about Latino turnout that particularly in Florida and Nevada looks like it`s exceeding expectations. Still don`t know if it they`re cannibalizing votes, et cetera.
I had a thought. Wouldn`t it be a hilarious end result if Donald Trump`s candidacy ends up inspiring enough Latino voting that they become such a powerful voting block that then Democrats have to really, like, deliver for them.
HAYES: That`s kind of the way things work a little bit. If you are --
MOORE: That will happen.
HAYES: If you are a key group and you can`t be taken for granted and you want reform, you incur debts.
MOORE: This will happen for Hispanic-Americans if this -- and it will happen for millenials.
HAYES: You already saw a little bit with the college stuff. There was a bidding war. There`s a competition in the best way for those votes.
MOORE: Right. I live in a town that`s not a college town in Michigan.
MOORE: And in the primary it went 70 percent for Bernie, 30 percent for Hillary. This is -- I mean, I`m telling you. Bernie voters need to feel great because we won 22 states, we moved the candidate to the left to adopt two-thirds of his positions, and if the Democrats get the Senate, the head of the Senate Budget Committee is a guy called Bernie Sanders, a socialist in charge of the budget.
HAYES: Which is the case he has been making around the country as he crisscrossed for Hillary Clinton. Michael Moore, a pleasure. Come on by any time. No cubs game on tonight.
We have much more to come, and the latest on that scene in Reno tonight. Thank you.
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TRUMP: Folks, while we`re at it, great --
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HAYES: All right. That was a scene in Reno about 35 minutes ago. Donald Trump was addressing a rally. There`s a disturbance very, very close to the podium. You can watch Secret Service rushing in. One man was taken away. We`ve got some video of him being led out by police and other security forces pretty well armed there.
You can see it I think as he comes through on this video, which is just uploaded, and the crowd -- the crowd, by the way, in this -- in the audio are alternating between booing yelling at him and yelling praise and thank you to the security forces that are taking him away.
That`s him right there. You can hear the crowd booing him, and you can hear in the audio crowd saying God bless you and such. The law enforcement officers who are taking him out. We still don`t know what the heck happened, frankly. It could be the case as he was just loudly yelling protest stuff.
If there was any violence whatsoever, if he was just a loudly disruptive protester who happened to be close enough to the podium that Secret Service and law enforcement got worried understandably.
Joining me now Christina Greer, associate professor for Political Science, Fordham University, Robert George, member of the "New York Daily News," editorial board, moved over from the "New York Post," and Erin Gloria Ryan, senior editor with "The Daily Beast."
People should check it out because it is hilarious, and it`s also been completely over used this campaign cycle. Well, I guess, I mean, you play that footage, I feel like we should talk about that.
ROBERT GEORGE, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS EDITORIAL BOARD: Yes. We don`t know exactly what happened there. I will say, though, we should keep in mind not the last time, but one of the previous times that Donald Trump was in Nevada is when this crazy British guy who had a gun, you know, tried to rush the stage.
HAYES: He did not have a gun. He tried to grab the gun. He tried to grab the gun of a law enforcement officer.
GEORGE: You`re right. You`re absolutely right.
HAYES: Because there`s mags, right? Secret Service events, you can`t go in with a gun. He tried to grab one.
GEORGE: He tried to grab it. So I think it`s smart for them to, you know, be, you know, exercise a lot of caution in that --
HAYES: Absolutely. Part of it -- part of the theme of the dumpster fire oral history is just the unremitting darkness of this campaign.
ERIN GLORIA RYAN, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE DAILY BEAST": Yes, yes.
HAYES: There`s something -- I think part of why we get so freaked out and obviously any time you see a Secret Service huddling a candidate -- it`s terrifying. There`s just been such darkness and ominousness hanging over the campaign for so long.
RYAN: Right. I think you`re totally right, but you know, also this is an outbreak of violence in a campaign characterized by violence and encouraging violence and discussing violence and talking about confronting opponents and opposition with violence. It`s sort of like being surprised about violence at a Trump rally.
It`s as if like I put all the ingredients to make a pie, and I mix them up and put them in the oven in the appropriate pie formation, and I turn the oven on, and in 45 minutes I came back, and I said what is this pie doing here? These are things that are all leading.
GEORGE: In fairness, though, we did have, you know, the Wikileaks leak that suggested that some of the Democrats were actually taking advantage of that to try and stir up some --
HAYES: Let me just be clear. I want to be clear here. Can we show that photo again so I can tell folks what that is? That`s the clearest photo we have. In terms of what Erin was saying, it`s clearly been the case that there`s an atmosphere that`s been created by these rallies.
I think largely by the candidate himself and those around him. Obviously there are some folks who are looking to start stuff. The footage suggests there might have been some of that. The other thing is this individual -- maybe there`s no violence. It may have just been f you, Donald Trump, and he might have been close enough.
CHRISTINA GREER, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, FORDHAM UNIVERSITY: If you are a person of color or a person that they perceive as sort of not what a typical Trump supporter should look like, you are also under attack. I mean, he could have said -- he could have said something negative to Donald Trump or he could have been perceived as being an enemy.
GEORGE: Last week, remember, we had the black Donald Trump supporter --
GREER: Who was called a thug and kicked out.
GEORGE: He was yelling because he was trying to get the attention of Trump, and they thought that he -- they thought that he was screaming --
HAYES: A protester. They took him out.
GEORGE: The Secret Service person -- recognized him as a regular. He said you`re allowed to be here. He said, you know, they`re getting a little bit antsy, so for your own safety, we better take you out.
HAYES: And Trump called him a thug from the podium. We also had just to cover all the bases here. We also -- there was a Trump event in which a black Trump supporter hit a white protester.
GEORGE: Yes, exactly.
RYAN: I lose track of all the different things.
GEORGE: It`s a uniter not a divider.
GREER: Chris, the larger issue is, as Erin said, this is now a culture of violence that he has bred.
HAYES: I want to be clear not to, like -- we don`t know what the story is. I don`t want to -- we don`t know enough to know what happened here.
GREER: But we do know that he has violent protests.
RYAN: And it`s not to blame him. It`s just not surprising that things break out.
HAYES: And that`s part of what`s been terrifying. We got three days left. We`re going to tell you definitively who will win right after this break. Come back.
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TRUMP: We are going into what they used to call Democrat strongholds where we`re now either tied or leading. We are going to Minnesota. We`re going up to Minnesota, which traditionally has not been Republican at all and we are doing phenomenally. We just saw our poll.
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HAYES: All right, Donald Trump bragging about one of the blue states. Christina Greer, Robert George and Erin Gloria Ryan. So they`re going to Minnesota. Are you from there?
RYAN: I grew up in like Miniscosin (ph), the border region in between --
HAYES: I didn`t know that state. Yes, it`s a little silly to me that he`s going to Minneapolis, St. Paul. He just in O`Claire, (ph) Wisconsin earlier this week, which is -- it`s a college town in a blue county on the top of a stack of blue counties in the western part of the state of Wisconsin.
It`s a little baffling. I don`t know what he`s doing. I don`t know what he thinks he`s going to gain from going there except for the media market of Minneapolis, St. Paul.
HAYES: Yes, it`s interesting that he`s doing this because we were talking earlier about -- I mean, look, if early voting trends hold in Nevada and Hillary Clinton were to win Nevada, the path to 270 gets very narrow indeed.
And Virginia and Colorado. It appears that way. Part of this sort I`m going to Michigan, I`m going to Minnesota, appears to be like you need to break out of the narrow path you have and hope that a huge polling happens maybe.
GREER: This is a spaghetti strategy right now. The polling says because I`m so great. He`s just throwing things at the wall for the final three days just to see what sticks. His path is looking less and less likely especially because we`re seeing such great turnout in early voting and hopefully -- unfortunately, you know --
HAYES: We`ll see.
GEORGE: It`s true in Nevada. Florida is a little bit --
GREER: I don`t know necessarily know if people feel in their hearts that they love Hillary Clinton, but there`s a lot of fear as to what the republic will look like November 9th if he`s elected. And I think that is mobilizing especially people of color and people who are sort on the lower end of economic spectrum.
RYAN: You know what his move to go to Wisconsin, to go to Minnesota, to go to Michigan kind reminds me of? It reminds me of in the town hall debate, how Trump was sort of looming behind Hillary in this very odd attempt to intimidate her. Like a creepy guy at a bar who is mad you won`t talk to him would treat you. I think that this is looming behind Hillary in the blue states thinking it is going to make a difference.
GEORGE: Hillary is sort of closing is a little bit unusual as well. You know, going to Michigan which seemed to be locked down for her for a while and then sort of the kind of shoring up in Pennsylvania as well. It could just be that they`re trying to -- because those states don`t have early voting --
HAYES: This is the explanation they get.
GEORGE: It is the explanation, but it`s hard for us to read the tea leaves exactly. That should be the one cautionary moment we should take from this.
HAYES: I mean, at this point, I think the idea -- I don`t think it`s crazy to go to these upper Midwest states for this reason. They`ve been under polled. So the polling out of them isn`t that great. If he`s going to pull off some surprise, the surprise is going to be a reliable over performance amongst his core of essential non-college whites.
If the polling is missing in some systematic way, there`s a whole bunch of those voters in that area. If the polling is missing, that is kind of the place to find them.
RYAN: I think that`s a little bit of chasing windmills at this point.
GREER: At this point especially because we`re three days out. So, you know, the issue with Trump is that he hasn`t really had a strategy. I think the fascinating thing to see on November 9th is to see -- in the 21st Century with a candidate who is a "celebrity," in quotes, but who understands the media and is very much a 21st Century.
Can he pull off the surprises and really make us rethink polling, rethink how we`ve discussed poor people, poor white people, immigrant voters and all these other demographics.
GEORGE: Just to try and keep all of us humble here, we are talking about Donald Trump standing for election on Tuesday where -- with an absolute chance of being the president of the United States.
HAYES: Could not -- believe me. That is my point.
GEORGE: Stay humble.
HAYES: The man is three days away from possibly being the most powerful person in the world. Christina Greer, Robert George, Erin Gloria Ryan, we leave you with that thought on Saturday night.
That does it for us tonight. I`ll be back Monday night with a final live edition of ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES before the election.
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