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All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript 11/3/2016

Guests: Adam Schiff, Cornell Belcher, Wayne Barrett, Dave Zirin, Jason Johnson

Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: November 3, 2016 Guest: Adam Schiff, Cornell Belcher, Wayne Barrett, Dave Zirin, Jason Johnson



DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Stay on point, Donald. Stay on point.

HAYES: An unprecedented escalation five days out.

TRUMP: The FBI agents say their investigation is likely to yield an indictment.

HAYES: The Republican nominee marshaling lies and law enforcement leaks to attempt a comeback.

Tonight, the state of the race and new reporting on how the Trump campaign is using the FBI to try to win the White House.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR: We got a couple things up our sleeve.

HAYES: Then, as Duke debates --

DAVID DUKE, LOUISIANA SENATE CANDIDATE: Just watch what`s happening to Mr. Trump.

HAYES: -- the president escalates.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you accept the support of Klan sympathizers before you are president, you will accept their support after you are president.

HAYES: Plus, the incredible irony of Melania Trump.

MELANIA TRUMP, WIFE OF DONALD TRUMP: Our culture has gotten too mean and too rough.

HAYES: And, it has happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Cubs win the World Series!

HAYES: The sweet escape of a victory 108 years in the making.

And ALL IN starts right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They did it! They did it! They did it!


HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. With just five days until the election, Donald Trump`s entire closing argument now rests on criminalizing his opponent Hillary Clinton. And agents within an arm of the nation`s highest law enforcement agency, the FBI, appear to be helping him. If there`s any doubt that FBI director James Comey`s announcement of new Clinton-related e-mails would be exploited for political purposes, regardless of his intent, check out this new ad released today by the Trump campaign.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary Clinton is under FBI investigation again after her e-mails were found on pervert Anthony Weiner`s laptop. Think about that. America`s most sensitive secrets unlawfully sent, received, and exposed by Hillary Clinton, her staff, and Anthony Weiner? Hillary cannot lead a nation while crippled by an investigation.


HAYES: OK, almost all of that either isn`t true or is grossly misleading or can`t be possibly be known at this moment -- or is contradicted by the FBI`s own official findings back in July. Trump has gone from vowing to throw Clinton in jail if he`s elected, to arguing it doesn`t really matter who the voters choose next week. Clinton simply cannot be a legitimate president.

And now a faction within the FBI appears to be helping him make the case. Since Comey`s disclosure last year, there`s been a flood of competing leaks from within the bureau, some apparently meant to benefit one campaign, some the other.

Among the leaks, anonymous sources told "The Wall Street Journal", the FBI had begun a probe of the Clinton Foundation more than a year ago to determine whether financial crimes or influence-peddling occurred related to the charity. According to new reporting today in "The Journal", that investigation started in summer 2015 based on claims made in the highly partisan book, "Clinton Cash", by conservative author Peter Schweitzer. The story goes on to describe rank and file agents` frustration after FBI supervisors and DOJ prosecutors declined to pursue the probe much further.

Continuing the counter leaking, "The Guardian" reports today, based on FBI sources, that all those damaging leaks stem from deep antipathy to Clinton within the bureau. The FBI is Trumpland, said one current agent.

Another story today from "The Daily Beast" today describes various ties between the Trump campaign and the FBI, focusing on the former head of the bureau`s New York office, now a Trump supporter. The author of that story will join me coming up in just a bit.

Now, this is not the first evidence we have seen of a deep affinity between Donald Trump and law enforcement in general. He`s been endorsed by various unions representing different law enforcement agencies, including the nation`s largest police union, the Fraternal Order of Police, and we`ve seen officers land in hot water for mixing their power with politics. Officers in San Antonio recently got in trouble after wearing "Make America Great Again" hats while in uniform on duty to escort Donald Trump from the airport. And we told you about the police union president in Massachusetts, the guy on the right there, who had to apologize for fake- arresting a fake Hillary, also in uniform.

Now it appears FBI agents are turning to Fox News to push their agenda.


BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS HOST: Breaking news tonight, two separate sources with intimate knowledge of the FBI investigations into the Clinton e-mails and the Clinton Foundation tell Fox the following. The investigation into the Clinton Foundation, looking into possible pay for play interaction between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Foundation, has been going on for more than a year. The Clinton Foundation investigation is a, quote, "very high priority". They describe the evidence that they have as, quote, "a lot of it" and there is an avalanche coming every day. These sources said, yes, the investigations will continue. There`s a lot of evidence. And barring some obstruction in some way, they believe they`ll continue to likely an indictment.


HAYES: OK. This is a remarkable thing that happened and then Fox host Bret Bair walked back the claim of a looming indictment somewhat this morning. But the upshot is no less disturbing.


BAIER: That`s not the process. That`s not how you do it. You have to have a prosecutor. If they don`t move forward with a prosecutor with the DOJ, there would be, I`m told, a very public call for an independent prosecutor to move forward.


HAYES: According to NBC News chief justice correspondent Pete Williams, Baier`s reporting is bogus. There is no investigation to speak of. But sure enough, by this afternoon, that report was already loaded on to the teleprompter as part of Trump`s sub speech out on the campaign trail with a few extra embellishments.


TRUMP: They say the federal bureau that it`s likely to yield a very, very serious charge or an indictment. I`m just saying -- that`s what the newspapers are saying. That`s what the reports are. Hillary Clinton has engaged in far-reaching criminal conduct, and in an equally far-reaching criminal cover-up. She is likely to be under investigation for many years. And also it will probably end up, in my opinion, in a criminal trial.


HAYES: OK. No, sir. He said the newspapers are reporting the report. That`s not true. There`s a single report which was walked back and has been debunked by our own Pete Williams, who I trust on this stuff.

And that`s the new threat Trump and his allies are now making to Clinton and her supporters and the country at large. Elect Hillary Clinton and we`ll take down her whole administration. Heck, the whole functioning government.

Earlier today, right here on MSNBC, Republican operative Dallas Woodhouse brought a pair of handcuffs to an interview, calling them, quote, "Clinton inauguration jewelry". Today, GOP congressman Bob Goodlatte, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, wrote a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch, asking her to preserve all documents related to the DOJ`s Clinton probes, presumably for investigations of their own.

And Congressman Mike McCaul, chair of the House Homeland Security, has become the latest Republican to float the I-word, impeachment.


REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R), TEXAS: Assuming she wins and the investigation goes forward, and it looks like an indictment is pending, at that point in time, under the Constitution, the House of Representatives would engage in an impeachment trial. It would go to the Senate and impeachment proceedings and removal would take place. I would hate to see this country being thrown into a constitutional crisis because of Hillary Clinton`s behavior.


HAYES: I`m joined now by Congressman Adam Schiff, Democrat from California, ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

And, Congressman, first I want you to respond to your colleague, Congressman Mike McCaul saying that, a constitutional crisis, which seems as much a kind of threat or a promise as it is a description of what would ensue. And already talking about impeachment. I mean, it is remarkable.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D), CALIFORNIA: Well, it`s really breathtaking. And I think what you`re seeing, Chris, is what we have seen on display for the last several years, and that is the GOP in Congress is really not a party of ideas anymore. It`s not a party of legislation. They can`t agree among themselves. So they`ve become the party of investigation and the party of gridlock.

And even before there`s an election, they`re saying that basically they`re going to continue just what they have, even if there`s no basis for it. That`s just what they do. And I think this will I hope have an impact on candidates down ballot who don`t want to see that kind of gridlock, that kind of obstructionism, that kind of try to take down the president at any costs kind of a Congress that we`ve had with the GOP leadership.

But I think it all gets back to the fact that the GOP is at war with itself, and the only thing to agree on these days is to have endless investigations. I served for two years on the Benghazi Select Committee, which after $7 million of taxpayer finding, found nothing about Benghazi that we didn`t know from the other eight investigations. And now the Republicans are just promising more of that.

HAYES: You know, I want you to comment a bit on the FBI, because I have to -- first of all, I wantto distinguish between Comey`s actions, which, you know, people think that was the wrong or right judgment, but in terms of his motives, let`s put those to the side.

To me, the much more worrisome thing about the FBI and its integrity, frankly, is these warring leaks coming out of the bureau. I mean, this is -- you can`t run an election with the people entrusted with confidentiality in pursuing high-profile investigations going on, you know, anonymously talking to reporters to try to pursue a political agenda. It`s madness.

SCHIFF: You`re absolutely right. And I think you do distinguish the two. In the case of Director Comey, I think this was a terrible error in judgment to inject the FBI into the race effectively with the publication of this letter. The DOJ policies against talking about pending or ongoing elections -- excuse me, investigations around election time are there for good reason. They`re designed to ensure fairness to the subject of the investigation and also to keep the FBI out of political campaigns.

But following that, we have seen something even more disturbing. And that is you`re seeing FBI agents apparently willing to go to the press, to leak, to try to have an influence on the election.

I worked with the bureau for almost six years as an assistant U.S. attorney in Los Angeles. The vast majority of agents are very professional, among the best that I ever worked with. But those that are leaking right now need to understand they are doing lasting and incalculable damage to the FBI. They are damaging the FBI`s credibility and its reputation, and that is really hard to repair once it`s been damaged.

HAYES: And I would add the institutional integrity of American democracy, frankly.

Congressman Adam Schiff, thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

SCHIFF: Thank you.

HAYES: Joining me now, my colleague Joy Reid, host of "AM JOY" right here on MSNBC, and Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher.

And I mean, I really -- I find this stunning and worrisome. And again I want to be really fair here. Like, there was someone leaking about the Manafort preliminary inquiry the other day.

JOY REID, MSNBC HOST, "AM JOY": They shouldn`t be doing that.

HAYES: They should not be doing either, which seemed like tit for tat. It`s like OK, well, you were going to do this and we`re going to do that. And you`ve got this situation now where the sort of domino of Comey coming forward, the parade of leaks, and now Donald Trump running ads and just saying -- after months of lock her up, I mean, they`re basically saying it doesn`t matter what happens on Tuesday.

REID: Yes.

HAYES: We`re going to put her in jail. That`s the election.

REID: This is banana republic territory. Adam Schiff is very urbane and nice man; I think he was very gentle about it. This is not democracy.

Let`s review. The FBI can take your freedom. They have incredible power over you.


REID: We now have a cell essentially within the FBI allied with Rudy Giuliani, who was Hillary Clinton`s opponent for Senate in 2000. When what did she run on? What made law enforcement mad at her? She came out and publicly denounced the murders of Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond, incurring the hatred of New York law enforcement.

Now you have elements of the New York-based FBI determined to lock her up. And they aren`t just talking about it or using their one vote, which they have like anybody else. They can be Republicans if they want. They`re taking a hack book, which is financially related to the CEO of the Donald Trump campaign -- Peter Schweitzer runs a fake sham foundation that was begun by Steven Bannon.

So you have the financially connected CEO of the Republican presidential candidate connected to a book that agents then used to launch an investigation. Which they can do against anybody, by the way. They can investigate you based on a sham book and intend to put you in prison. And then they`re colluding with Republican members to say we`re going to take this sham investigation -- we don`t care what Comey says. We`ll put her in prison for being the opponent of our preferred candidate for president.

HAYES: It is -- it seems like a fundamental breakdown in just the sort of --

REID: It`s not democracy.

HAYES: Yes. I mean, Cornell, you know, you`re a pollster. And so there`s this question, right, about what this is doing to people. And I think largely the polling evidence suggests that this doesn`t change anyone`s mind -- Comey`s, you know, actions or et cetera.

What it does appear to me clearly in the polls is that this gives Republican partisans what they probably were looking for already to come home.

CORNELL BELCHER, DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER: It emboldens them. And it`s really sad because this is part of a continuum actually that we see, that I would argue started with President Obama`s election. And I argue that in my new book.

But it`s a continuum where you have people who are willing to use whatever means they have to really undo what the majority of Americans now are saying you want to do. When they sat around in Washington before President Obama was elected and decided that they were going to block everything he tried to do in order to make him a failed president, and then went about doing that. When you had Senator Mitch McConnell talking about the No. 1 priority in the Senate was to make Barack Obama a failed president and a one-term president. When you have Senate Republicans right now talking about, you know, an indefinite block of Supreme Court nominees by Hillary Clinton, you have people throwing a temper tantrum and trying to undo the will of the American people because they`re not getting their way. It is a frightening place in democracy.

When we hear the FBI in collusion with partisan Republicans -- you know, Joy, you are right. I mean, it is sort of, you know, banana republic kind of things. And the moderate swath of voters in this country, you know, they have to step back and take -- and take control of the situation. If you`re a moderate, middle of the road voter, and you`ve been voting Republican, you`ve got to think about sort of what`s going on in this -- going on right now in this country and in these congressional districts that they`ve gerrymandered. You`ve got to think about whether or not you have to take a break from voting Republican, seriously, in order to stop this from happening.

HAYES: Yes, I just want to -- two things, quickly. One is, look. I mean, the point here is there`s a process and it should be -- right? I mean the sort of integrity of law enforcement`s really important. And, you know, if there were -- you know, some smoking gun criminal evidence, they should pursue that. Right? I mean, that should be the case. It`s the breakdown in the sort of chain of command that`s so worrying.

The other thing I think is, you know, we have someone from the Trump campaign on the record talking about their voter suppression efforts. That`s then sort of been walked back. But it strikes me this is part of that. They basically said to Democrats you can go -- you can win, but we`re going to impeach her. We`re going to block her. We`re going to hang her up in investigations. So maybe it`s not worthwhile to vote.

REID: This is the -- it`s the -- so with the Barack Obama, you had the sort of defenestration of politics. We`re going to make the presidency not worth having. You can be president; we`re not going to let you be president. We`ll stop you from doing anything.

HAYES: Right.

REID: Because we run this country. We don`t care who the president is. We don`t care who voted for you. We run this country no matter who you are.

With Hillary Clinton, this is the criminalization of politics. Remember, Donald Trump campaign is rife with people from the Clinton wars. David Bossie`s in there. Citizens United is about Hillary Clinton. Remember, it is about trying to use --

HAYES: The 20-year war.

REID: It`s a 20-year war. You`ve got Kellyanne Conway`s husband, veteran of the Clinton wars. You`ve got this cabal of people who, OK, you want to be the Clinton cabal? But you can now have the FBI help you do that?

HAYES: Yes, that is the -- that is the worrisome factor.

REID: That isn`t America.

HAYES: Joy Reid and Cornelle Belcher, thank you both. Appreciate it.

OK, don`t go away. Up next, the incredible details reported by Wayne Barrett Joy was just alluding today about the active connections between Rudy Giuliani and the pro-Trump agents within the FBI. Wayne Barrett is here after this two minute break.



GIULIANI: But I`m going to be in Texas tomorrow, then I`m going to go to Nevada, Colorado, and come back through New Hampshire. And I`ll do my own campaigning so there won`t be the 10,000 that he gets but maybe I get 2,000 or 3,000.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, then call us from the road. Beause we would love to hear from you how things are --

GIULIANI: And then I think he`s got a surprise or two that you`re going to be hear about in the next few days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, Rudy Giuliani.

GIULIANI: I mean, I`m talking about some pretty big surprise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I heard you say that this morning. What do you mean?

GIULIANI: You`ll see.


GIULIANI: We`ve got a couple things up our sleeve that should turn this around.


HAYES: Huh. One of Donald Trump`s top surrogates, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, brought up umprompted some, quote, "pretty big surprises" in the works just two days before FBI direcotr James Comey sent his bombshell letter to Congress detailing the discovery of new e-mails that may or may not pertain to Hillary Clinton`s private server, ones that they had not viewed.

Now, new reporting suggests Giuliani may have been hinting about that revelation two days before it became public because of Giuliani`s connections to the New York FBI office and one former FBI official in particular. The investigative journalist Wayne Barrett broke the story today in a piece for "The Daily Beast" titled "Meet Donald Trump`s Top FBI Fanboy".

And Wayne Barrett joins me now. Wayne, tell me about this sort of what your reporting found and who Jim Kallstrom is.

WAYNE BARRETT, INVESTGATIVE JOURNALIST I`m out here in our neighborhood, Chris.

HAYES: Good.

BARRETT: Or as you like to call it, Cub Land.

HAYES: Yes, that`s right.

BARRETT: But James Kallstrom was the head of the FBI office in New York for a number of years, and it was a number of years ago, but for many reasons he has maintained enormous ties with FBI agents, particularly in the New York area. He had a TV show called "The FBI Files" that was on air until 2006. And he runs a foundation that is called the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation. And it`s the Marines that are in any FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies are part of it, so he has a continuing stream of relationships with FBI agents.

As does Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani`s law firm, at least the one he`s been with for many years -- he just left it this year -- is Bracewell. It was called Bracewell Giuliani, and they represent the FBI agent association of 13,000 members. And Rudy has been intimately tied with that organization for a number of years. So they both have legions of FBI relationships.

I want to make it clear. I have known a lot of FBI agents in my life. Some of the best people I have ever known.

HAYES: Absolutely, yes.

BARRETT: They actually invited me to go to Quantico. I spent two days there talking to the public corruption agents across America. And, you know, I think, you know, Joy Reid just said it`s a cell. I called it "the fifth column" within the FBI. I certainly don`t want to disparage the agency itself or the vast majority of agents. But there are some that I think are clearly violating guidelines if not laws in these open conversations.

I do want to go back, Chris, to your prior discussion, because you really have to parse what Bret Baier said on Fox, and because it`s just being constantly misrepresented. He did not cite FBI sources.

HAYES: That`s right. Sources close to the investigation or familiar with the investigation.


HAYES: That`s right.

BARRETT: Yes. And if you look at Devlin Barrett`s stories in The Wall Street Journal", that big long one, 22 times in one piece he cited "people familiar with the investigation".

HAYES: Excellent and important point.

BARRETT: Yes. Now, as an investigative reporter, if I can call somebody a FBI source, I do it. If I can call somebody a law enforcement source, I do it. Makes the story stronger. But when you`re citing people familiar with the investigation --

HAYES: Good point.

BARRETT: -- 22 times, we have no idea who is saying what to who. Could be Rudy.

HAYES: Right.

BARRETT: Rudy is a person familiar with the investigation. Could be Komstroff -- Kallstrom, I`m sorry.


BARRETT: You know? or could be --


HAYES: It could be any number of people attenuated from the actual -- that`s a really good, important clarifying point.

I mean, your point in the piece is that you`ve got these -- you got Giuliani, you got Kallstrom. And we should note that it`s Kallstrom`s foundation, the one that you just mentioned, is the one that got the $1 million donation from Donald Trump that he had pledged when he skipped that debate, which he then never wrote a check for until "The Washington Post" called him and asked him about the money. The next day he wrote them the check. That`s to that foundation, which is what Jim Kallstrom runs.

BARRETT: Yes. And he`s known Trump for 40 years. He says that himself. I described in detail from his own mouth the nature of the relationship over many, many years. And he goes on the air and calls the Clintons a crime family.

Now, the FBI has five units in the city of New York in that very office that investigate real crime families. For him to use that kind of wording, I mean, that is just -- it`s calamitous for an FBI agent who has held the titles -- and he was assistant director --

HAYES: He was up there.

BARRETT: -- of the FBI. Yes. To use that kind of language, it`s just completely beyond the ken. And, you know, they`ve both have gone on the air, Rudy a couple of times and Kallstrom endless times, citing FBI agents. Kallstrom even cites FBI agents involved this investigation, which of course would be a violation of guidelines at least and maybe a violation of law for them to be talking to people who are openly partisan.


BARRETT: Kallstrom formally endorsed Trump on Fox News. Giuliani is his No. 1 surrogate. I think he`s more involved in the campaign than Mike Pence.

HAYES: Yes. Well, Wayne Barrett, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it, Wayne.

BARRETT: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: Be good.

All right, still to come, a judge calls the process for challenging voters` registrations in parts of North Carolina, quote, "insane". More on that ahead.



HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He retweets white supremacists and spreads racially-tinged conspiracy theories. And you better believe he`s being heard loudly and clearly.

Just a few days ago, and I want you to hear this because this has never happened to a major -- to a nominee of a major party. Just a few days ago, Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the Ku Klux Klan. They wrote their endorsement under the slogan of his campaign, "Make America Great Again."


HAYES: Right now, Hillary Clinton holding a rally with Bernie Sanders in North Carolina. Earlier today at another rally in the state, she brought up the nod Donald Trump just got from "The Crusader", the newspaper that bills itself as, quote, "the premier voice of the white resistance."

Last night in Louisiana, former KKK grand wizard and current Republican Senate candidate, David Duke, participated with five other candidates in a debate in an empty auditorium, having qualified by garnering at least 5 percent support in a poll.

Outside the debate which was held at Dillard University, a historically black university, protests raged over the inclusion of Duke, who during a debate saiid Hillary Clinton should get the electric chair, complained that Jews dominate the media and international banking, and claimed, quote, "we`re getting outnumbered and outvoted in our own nation."


DUKE: The truth is that anybody who stands up in this country, tells the truth what`s happening to our country -- we`re losing our country. Anybody who does that is going to be a target of the media, just like Donald Trump.


HAYES: After receiving Duke`s endorsement in the primaries, Trump eventually disavowed him, though he initially refused to do so. Today, Eric Trump went so far as to say Duke deserves a bullet. But Donald Trump himself has been extremelyy slow to distance himself from white nationalists. And it`s important to remember he chose Steve Bannon as his campaign CEO, a man who described his website Breitbart as, quote, "the platform for the alt-right", which is what white nationalists try to call themselves when they`re trying to be politically correct.

Campaigning for Clinton in Miami this morning, President Obama suggested that Trump won`t change if he becomes president.


OBAMA: Who you are, what you are, does not change after you occupy the Oval Office. All it does is magnify who you are. All it does is shine a spotlight on who you are. If you disrespected women before you were in office, you will disrespect women as president. If you accept the support of Klan sympathizers before you are president, you will accept their support after you are president.


HAYES: As November 8 approaches, the gloves are clearly off for President Obama. Tomorrow, with four days until the election, we will air an exclusive interview with the president when he sits down with Al Sharpton. You will see it here first. Be sure to be here for that.

When we come back, a voter suppression tactic in North Carolina a federal judge described as "straight out of 1901". We`ll tell you what it was next.


HAYES: The presidential race is exceedingly tight in North Carolina where early voting is now under way. Polls show Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton separated by just a tenth of a percentage point. This week, the NAACP filed a lawsuit alleging that three North Carolina counties had illegally removed thousands of voters from the rolls in a process that disproportionately targeted African-Americans.

Yesterday, a federal judge presiding over the suit said she was, and I`m quoting, horrified by the removals, saying the process hearkens back to an era of few safeguards. This sounds like something that was put together in 1901, said Judge Loretta Biggs, adding it looks like a cattle call the way people are being purged.

The Justice Department`s now said it agrees with the NAACP allegations. Today the DOJ announcing it was sending elections monitors to four counties in North Carolina.

Earlier this year, of course, the 4th circuit court of appeals struck down a 2013 voting law in North Carolina finding the law`s provisions targeted African-Americans with almost surgical precision.

Joining me now, Morgan State University professor Jason Johnson, politics editor at The Root. And Jason, you know, I recall back in 2000 there was a voter purge of voters in Florida famously in which this same tactic was used, a piece of mail sent. If it`s returned you any reason, then you can go and contest the person. A lot of times it`s returned because someone voting with their grandmother or something like that.

But this is a -- the wording of the federal judge today was very strong.

JASON JOHNSON, MORGAN STATE UNIVERSITY: And it has to be, Chris, because this is a step back back for all American citizens. I mean, the process by which a letter being sent to your house can somehow eliminate your right to vote, that`s kind of like if I knock on your door three times and you don`t answer I can assume it`s abandoned and I can take your home. That`s not how our laws are supposed to operate.

But I think what`s key here also is this. This is what happens because we have lost the pre-clearance element of the Voting Rights Act. And until congress does something about that, we are going to see these ind of shenanigans throughout the south and throughout the United States as long as elections go on.

HAYES: And you also -- I think on top of that, you do have now two parties in this era of sort of, you know, polarization. One party, the Democratic Party, wants to maximize -- make it as easy for as many people to vote as possible, whether that`s out of principal or pragmatism, you can say, and the Republicans feel the opposite. They want it as restricted as possible.

Here`s the Alabama secretary of state Jon Merrill explaining why he doesn`t want automatic voter registration. Take a listen.


JON MERRILL, ALABAMA SECRETARY OF STATE: These people fault, some of them were beaten, some of them were killed because of their desire to ensure that everybody that wanted to had the right to register to vote and participate in the process. I`m not going to cheapen the work that they did. I`m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that`s too sorry to get up off the rear end to go to register to vote.


HAYES: To be clear, he`s saying the heroes and murders of the civil rights movement in the state of Alabama who guaranteed the franchise for that state`s black citizens, in their name he won`t have automatic registration.

JOHNSON: Yeah. You know, the bizarre use of Martin Luther King`s name and civil rights heroes by the Republican Party has always amazed me. I mean, Martin Luther King seems to have justified everything that the GOP wants to do.

But here`s the larger issue here. This idea of preventing people from voting, it is not just about targeting African-Americans and preventing the poor and everything else like that, it prevents us from having a funcatinoal and responsive government. When you make it difficult for people to vote, they can`t vote on levies, they can`t control their school system. They can`t get actively involved.

So, when Republican Party members, and occasionally Democrats -- mostly Republicans -- make it difficult to vote, they make it difficult for them to do their own jobs. And that`s what`s so disappointing about this.

HAYES: And let me be clear, I live in a state in New York that`s been controlled by Democrats for a long time or has a lot of Democratic control, where the Democratic Party doesn`t want a lot of people voting because they want low turnout in elections so they have high leverage if they can turn people out to the polls and then it`s for pragmatic reasons, for crassly political ones, but it also wounds self governance.

Anyone that`s invested in that should think about getting into another line of work, is my opinion. Jason Johnson, thanks as always, your time tonight.

JOHNSON: Thanks, Chris.

HAYES: Still to come, 108 years in the making, The Chicago Cubs make world series history. It could not come at better time. Much more on that ahead. But first, tonight`s Thing One, Thing two starts after this break.


HAYES: Thing One tonight, Donald Trump is notorious for his Twitter insults. The New York Times even compiled a running list of every person, place and thing he`s insulted on the platform just since announcing his candidacy for president in June of 2015.

Toward the end of October, the tally stood at 282. Governor Pataki couldn`t be elected dog catcher if he ran again, so he didn`t. Governor Perry failed on the border. He should be forced to take an IQ test before being allowed to enter the GOP debate.

Don`t like Samuel L. Jackson`s golf swing. Not athletic. I`ve won many club championships playing for charity.

The worst show in Las Vegas in my opinion is Penn Jillette. Hokey garbage. New York show even worse.

To reiterate, that`s not 282 tweets, 282 different entities that Trump has directed his insults at, at least.

On Twitter, Thing Two tonight, want to guess what kind of terrible and unacceptable behavior Melania Trump just announced she`ll focus on if she becomes first lady? The answer in just 60 seconds.


HAYES: It is rare to see anyone involved ion a presidential campaign as genuinely surprised as Melania Trump was by her husband last week.


MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP`S WIFE: I might join him. We will see.

DONALD TRUMP: She is actually going to make two or three speeches.


DONALD TRUMP: And I will tell you...

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: Made some news right there.

DONALD TRUMP: Oh, it is. It`s -- she amazing when she speaks. She is an amazing public speaker.


HAYES: Definitely seemed like that was the first time Melania Trump heard about any of those speeches, but it`s kind of hard to back out when those plans are announced on national TV. So today, she gave her first solo campaign speech in Pennsylvania where she outlined one of the main focuses of her work should she become the first lady.


MELANIA TRUMP: Our culture has gotten too mean and too rough, especially to children and teenagers. We have to find a better way to talk to each other, to disagree with each other, to respect each other. We must find better ways to honor and support the basic goodness of our children, especially in social media.


HAYES: That -- this is not a bit. I mean, Melania Trump wants to focus on cyber bullying even though her husband is known for weaponizing Twitter, bashing at least 282 different people, places and things in just the last 18 months by that The New York Times tally.

Now, we know from Gabe Sherman`s reporting that Trump`s campaign manager Kellyanne Conway uses Donald Trump`s avid cable news viewing to get through to him, quote, as a way to communicate with him is to go on TV to communicate. So, maybe Melania Trump was really trying to reach an audience of one.

I wonder if he got the message.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s the 0-1. This is going to be a tough play. Bryant, the Cubs win the World Series! Bryant makes the play! It`s over! And the Cubs have finally won it all!


HAYES: And with that moment, the Chicago Cubs beat the Cleveland Indians last night in one of the most dramatic games in any sport you will ever see. More than 40 million people tuned in to watch these two teams end one of the longest championship droughts in major league history. And after four and a half hours and a 17-minute rain delay, the cubs celebrated their first World Series win in 108 years.

That`s their first since the Model T Ford first went into production and since the Ottoman Empire fell. This morning, the internet was flooded with stories of Cubs fans celebrating, stories about the generations who have come and gone during a century of heartbreak and disappointment. There are the fans who took to the Sheffield Wall at Wrigley and wrote tributes to their loved ones who were never able to see their Cubs win a World Series. It was a rather extraordinary story of a man who drove from North Carolina to Indiana to watch the game with his dad who died in 1980.


UNIDENITIFIED MALE: I told my dad -- I mean, we kind of had a pact that when the Cubs, not if, when the Cubs got into the World Series, we`d make sure we listened to the games together.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He dropped the ball. He was called out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look, dad. Here`s your son. He`s keeping his part of the bargain, setting up camp in the military section of Greenwood Forest Lawn Cemetery.

We asked Wayne if he thinks big Wayne is up there following the game with him.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: Knowing him, no. He was a hell raiser, baby. He was a hell raiser.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: Enjoying a little heaven tonight.


HAYES: And there was a grand dad who had waited 81 years for this moment which was shared on Twitter.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s the 0-1.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They did it! They did it! They did it! Oh god! Oh I can`t believe it! I can`t believe it!


HAYES: The Cubs World Series win marked a culmination of talent, hard work, foresight and a little bit of luck. It also signaled, if only briefly, a respite from this stressful and deeply polarizing election or the sweetest escape. Joining me now is Dave Zirin calls the sweetest escape.

And joining me now is David Zirin, sports editor of The Nation, host of the Edge of Sports podcast. I mean, I`m biased because I`m a huge Cubs fan, so I was very invested in this World Series. But as the series went on, it did feel like a nation that is -- has had their eyes glued to one thing, which is this campaign which is deeply divisive and polarizing and ugly and sometimes just days of sexual assault details.


HAYES: That this was like exactly what everyone needed at this moment.

ZIRIN: You know, Chris, this was a nightly catharsis. It was a nightly vacation. It was a nightly spa treatment from what`s been one of the most depressing stretches in my political life, certainly. And as we say, it`s been such a stressful election period, we know what we`re talking about. We`re talking about the extreme toxicity that`s been injected by Donald Trump into the national life. And to have this as a break from that has been beautiful.

And I want to talk about a little bit about why it`s so beautiful.

You spoke a little bit about the 108 years since the Cubs last won a title. And, you know, there have been a lot of good jokes about that like the last time the Cubs won a title, the People Magazine`s sexiest man was Adam and these are funny jokes.

But if you go back 108 years and really think about what the world was then, just the sports world, the NBA Champion 108 years ago was nobody, because there was no NBA. The NFL champion, there was no NFL, so nothing there. The NCAA football champion was Penn, not Penn State, Penn.

You know, it was such a different world from a sports perspective, yet baseball has this capacity. And I`m paraphrasing James Earl Jones`s speech from Field of Dream, but it`s this capacity to link us to the past, but also make us feel optimistic about the future. And there are so few things in our national life that have the capacity to do that.

HAYES: I totally agree with that. It`s like -- there`s something about baseball because it`s been around so long, this sense of continuity, the sense of history. You`re sharing something that people have been sharing for a century and has changed with the country so when Dexter Fowler led off that first game of the World Series and took the first pitch, he was the first black Cubs player to appear in a World Series because back in 1945 when the Cubs were last in the World Series, there were no black Cubs players.

I mean and so you have this transformation of this game, but this sort of continuity, too. And also I just -- last night, I mean, people complained so much about the pacing of the series, which I get. These games are way too long. Back when the game was invented they go about two hours. Last night was four-and-a-half hours thanks to a rain delay.

But also just the suspense. You know, the catharsis you`re talking about it built up what that catharsis was, because the game moves so slowly these days.

ZIRIN: Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. But that`s part of what made it so beautiful because the entire nation pretty much watched this game. The ratings last night were off the chain. These were 1986, you only have three channels and a computer is the size of a refrigerator ratings.

HAYES: Right.

ZIRIN: That`s how many people were tuning in.

And when you have baseball as a shared national experience, I would argue it`s very different than anybody say watching the Super Bowl and getting loaded and having parties and it`s sort of almost like this bacchanalia, this celebration of excess. While last night was a celebration of suspense. It was a celebration of catharsis, of release. Certainly not for Cleveland fans, but I got to tell you, like, I`m not even a Cubs fan, but by the end of this series, every pitch, every foul ball, I mean, it was killing me. It was killing me.

I can`t imagine what it was like for you.

HAYES: I will tell you this, I am a Cubs fan and it was -- there was a moment last night when I turned to my wife, I said, I am going to have a heart attack and then i was like I, no, no, I don`t mean hyperbolically, I don`t mean I am going to have a heart attack as a figure of speech, I mean, literally I am going to go into cardiac arrest, physically.

And the other thing I`ll say is -- you`re saying, you were not -- this series I became a Cleveland Indians fan in a certain way. I was in awe of the unbelievable resilience of this team that lost two of their starters, starting pitchers, who just every time came back and back and back and even last night they`re just an incredible team.

ZIRIN: I would make the case that the Cubs are better than the Indians on paper at almost every single position.


And how tight they...

ZIRIN: And it`s remarkable.

HAYES: Dave Zirin, all right, thank you for joining us, man. Appreciate it.

ZIRIN: Thank you.

HAYES: Coming up, I had a moment last night where I almost turned off the game but, but I learned an important lesson. What I realized, that`s next.


HAYES: I will admit there was a moment last night when I lost hope, when my mood got so dark it almost blacked out my vision, after Rajai Davis hit a probable two-out homerun while choked up on the bat, against the hardest thrower in baseball, to bring the Indians back in the bottom of the eighth with two outs and tie the game. I thought, well, this is it. We`re going to lose.

We were in a Cubs bar in Brooklyn along with my wife, dad, brother and aunt, and hundred others packed in like a rush hour subway car. It was so hot inside that bar, the sound system shorted out and one of the TV`s kept overheating and turning off.

When the rain delay started at the end of the ninth inning, I told my wife we should go home so I can process the inevitable loss away from the crowd. We called an Uber, which took forever to come. And I told my dad I was leaving.

OK, he said, you sure you want to do that?

I don`t think I can take the loss here, I said.

Come on, Christopher, he said. Myth of Sisyphus. IT`s the struggle that matters.

The myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus is my dad`s favorite essay. And it`s about, well, how you find meaning in a meaningless world. Camus considers the inner life of the Greek mythic figure Sisyphus, condemned for eternity to roll a rock up a hill only to have it roll back down and have to start again.

And how, Camus asked, can we find joy or meaning in a world that`s so reliably deals us disappointment, cruelty and heartbreak?

The key, he writes, is to focus on the struggle itself. The effort of the push, not the final accomplishment.

It`s a pretty great guide for a life of work in social justice like my dad, or education like my mom, or organizing like my brother, or politics, or broadcasting for that matter, where you can`t control what your ratings are on any given day, or baseball where Cubs coach Joe Maddon has emphasized all year the game is fluky and it`s best to focus on process and not on outcomes, because sometimes you play well and you catch a bad break and lose.

As Kate and I waited for the Uber to come, the grounds crew rolled out the tarp in Cleveland. The Cubs were, unbeknownst to me huddling in a room under the stadium, and there Jason Hayward, an incredible right fielder, who has had a terrible, one might even say Sisyphian year, rallied the team.

Let`s not get down. It`s a new ball game. Lets go out there and win this.

Sure, the rock had rolled back down the hill, and Kyle Schwarber lead out the tenth inning with a single. I said to Kate, let`s cancel the Uber and stick around.

We went back inside and watched the most glorious inning of Cubs baseball in history.

But here`s the thing, as joyous as that moment of victory was, as amazing as I felt this morning, I kept thinking what my dad said, the fact is even if they had loss that game, as heartbroken as I would have been, it still all would have been worth it, honestly.

The last lines of that Camus essay are, "the struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man`s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy." Or, translated into Cubs lingo, wait until next year.

And it turns out as surreal and ecstatic as it is to celebrate a Cubs team that doesn`t have to say that for the first time in 108 years, wait until next year, keep pushing that rock no matter what, is a pretty damn great way to go through life. Thanks to the Cubs for teaching me that.

That is ALL IN for this evening. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" starts right now. Good evening, Rachel.