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All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript 10/27/2016

Guests: A.J. Delgado, Rick Wilson, Charlie Pierce, Michelle Bernard, Joshua Green

Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: October 27, 2016 Guest: A.J. Delgado, Rick Wilson, Charlie Pierce, Michelle Bernard, Joshua Green


HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Is there anyone more inspiring than Michelle Obama?

HAYES: North Carolina roars for Hillary and Michelle.

MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES: She is absolutely ready to be commander in chief on day one, and, yes, she happens to be a woman.

HAYES: Tonight, the unprecedented scene as the first lady lights up the campaign trail for Clinton. Plus, the new Bloomberg report on the Trump campaign`s, "voter suppression operations." As they now concede their candidate is losing badly.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump.

HAYES: Then, another accuser comes forward as a republican reverses his repudiation.


HAYES: Democrats raise fears of a constitutional crisis if Hillary wins. And Donald Trump`s October surprise.

TRUMP: She`s actually going to make two to three speeches.

HAYES: When ALL IN starts right now.


HAYES: Good evening from New York, we got some "BREAKING NEWS" as you can see right there, that is the plane for the vice presidential nominee of the Republic Party, Mike Pence. That is the campaign plane which just few minutes ago landed in LaGuardia and skidded off the runway. There are about 30-plus folks inside, everyone is safe and fine, but a scary moment. The plane skidded off the runway, an alarm was put out. As you can see, emergency personnel there evacuating the plane, as both the campaign staff that travel with Indiana Governor Mike Pence, as well as the traveling press that covers him, including some of our own, were on that plane when it hit the runway and apparently skidded off in the rain. We are now awaiting, hopefully, some more word, but as of now, it sounds like everyone was fine, and believed there were no actual injuries during that event.

We`re hoping to get a confirmation of that. We do have confirmation, at least early confirmation, that no one was hurt in any severe way. I do not know if we have made contact with the governor, himself, the vice presidential nominee, Mike Pence. Obviously, a little bit of a chaotic scene there on the runway on LaGuardia on this very windy and cold and stormy night here in New York City. Jeb Hensarling, of course, the congressman from Texas, who apparently was traveling on that plane on the financial house - Financial Services Committee. We believe that everything is fine and we`re going to get an all-clear and NBC producer Vaughn Hillyard who was on that plane is with us. Vaughn, what happened?

VAUGHN HILLYARD, NBC NEWS PRODUCER: I`m with - I`m with the campaign.

HAYES: Yup. Vaughn, what happened?

HILLYARD: Hey there, am I live, you guys?

HAYES: Yeah, you`re live.

HILLYARD: You got to tell me - I`m live. OK.

HAYES: You`re live, buddy. You`re live.

HILLYARD: We`re on the tarmac here at LaGuardia. The plane had a - had a tough landing. This isn`t the first time this plane has had a tough landing. But the flight was actually delayed by about two hours and in the plane that we`re going through the - going through the clouds, it hit the ground, and we started to skid. You just felt skidding. And the plane started to swerve to the right, and then there was sort of some bumping and then the plane stopped. I - as I said, this isn`t the first time. This is the 10th campaign plane, he`s been flying on this plane for three-plus months now, this isn`t the first time that the plane has had a - had a rougher landing. It`s become, I guess, almost sort of a joke, get ready for the landing. But obviously, the conditions were a little bit more difficult here in New York City tonight.

And we`re going to zoom in, and that is Karen Pence, that I believe you`ll be seeing. I think we`re on a little bit of a delay, but that is Karen Pence getting off the plane there. But then the plane swerved off and - we need to - OK. Hold. We need a shot of the governor. So we`re being taken away from the scene here. You`re going to see the governor here in a few moments. We`re being led away, but the plane slid off, everybody got up. There was no -- to be clear, everything flew around and flew forward, but the situation was not in which anybody was being thrown around. The governor got up quickly and he walked -- and he walked back to the back of the plane. Actually was making sure that everybody was OK. And even kind of gave some fist bumps in the air, just as, you know, everybody`s OK, everybody`s safe. But he is making sure that everybody was OK. And that`s - we didn`t actually realize that we were totally off of the runway when this happened. But it wasn`t until we started to see the lights, the ambulance -- or the fire trucks all out there. You can see the response. We`re just kind of going on with this at this point, you guys.

HAYES: Yeah.

HILLYARD: But the governor was OK. Mrs. Pence is on the plane, Karen Pence, the First Lady of Indiana, as well as Charlotte Pence, their oldest daughter who travels frequently with the campaign. Campaign staff, the Secret Service, who takes about up 10 rows and about 8 members of the press, and then, they brought up the stairs and obviously we just got off - I think who we saw earlier when the feed started coming in, you saw mud streaks, and we are - we`re being - we`re (INAUDIBLE) sorry. OK. So, we`re being taken away from the scene here.

HAYES: Vaughn, it was a - it`s basically - can you tell me, obviously, the governor and his wife and their daughter, it`s -- them, staff and press, is that basically who`s on that plane?

HILLYARD: Yep, that`s who`s on the Pence plane. He had a stop -- he was coming from Fort Dodge, Iowa, landing for a fund-raiser which we`ll see whether that happens. There was going to be at Trump Tower here this evening. And the flight - and I think actually, we sent some video a little bit earlier of the governor playing football on the tarmac, because of the weather conditions. I`ll let you, guys, handle what the actual weather, and whether what the situation was, but we are able to see here -- I`m going to actually go over here to the right, and you can see how close we are. Again, I think our video is on 20-second delay here, but you`ll see how close to the road we are over here on the right side. And literally, it`s inside of the grass.


HILLYARD: I don`t know if you guys are seeing that now.

HAYES: Yeah, we can now.

HILLYARD: But wait - and you see -- actually, I`m going to zoom in here to where the fence is. And you didn`t - you don`t - it`s actually pretty remarkable now. We`re just coming to grips with kind of looking at this to how close we were to -- how close we were to the road over there.

HAYES: That plane is pretty far off that runway.

HILLYARD: Yeah. It`s in the grass there, which I guess the impact of the plane created mud, which is the mud marks that we are able to see when we were - when we first got off of the plane there, but everybody -- I`m pretty sure I`ve still got - I`ve still got - I still have bags up on the plane. The Fire Department came and said, "Please, everybody, just get off the plane now." We were trying to establish a shot here. Again, we didn`t even realize honestly what happened right when it happened, but the governor got up immediately, made sure Secret Service, made sure the press was OK. I think we got the shot. We see him back over here. Sorry. It`s a little - and I may even have some raindrops up against the camera here.

HAYES: Vaughn, where were - where were you guys - where were you guys coming in from?

HILLYARD: We were coming in from Fort Dodge, Iowa, where he had a campaign event. We had about a two, three-hour flight. And so, we`ve been in the air for a little while. And we knew the storm was in here. He was already delayed for the fund-raiser, it was supposed to start earlier this evening here in New York City. Yes.

HAYES: And were there - were there announcements made, obviously you guys had no idea what was happening, felt the impact, didn`t quite realize the skid. Did anyone say anything about what was happening as it happened?

HILLYARD: Absolutely. And, you know, I`ll be honest, I had my phone out and was recording a fellow reporter was sleeping, and because it`s not abnormal to have these hard impacts, we were - we`re recording it, but then I literally turned it off, because I thought we were fine. And then suddenly we slid off, but everything, phones, water bottles, about two seconds after the landing, suddenly everything just shot forward. My seatbelt wasn`t fully tightened and I flew forward and was obviously caught by the seatbelt, but you realize pretty quickly that after skidding there - the part was that, it took the sharp right turn after about maybe four or five seconds, took a sharp right turn, and then maybe three seconds later, we came to a dead stop, which obviously the plane when you`re on the tarmac, you`re on for a little bit of while there, and - yes. Yeah. So, you can see that the governor is there right now. Mrs. Pence, Karen Pence, the first lady, was getting off the plane. We saw Charlotte Pence earlier, their eldest daughter. But he`s traveling with several campaign advisers. You just saw him get some photographs with some of the Fire Department here. Again, to be clear, there`s no injuries, everybody was fine, but as we zoom back out over, you`ll see here where the plane is, compared to -- and the response, we saw those lights immediately. And I was actually hearing that there was originally reports since we were on the plane, somebody had said that they heard there was a report that a plane had gone off the runway but not realizing that that was the plane that we were on. Again, this is the plane that the governor has been riding since July. It`s a 737. Those of us who ride on the Pence plane like to think that it`s a nice plane, but I`m not sure when this guy will be getting back up and going again. But we`re going to fast forward here, you`re going to see more staff and fire department getting off the plane.

HAYES: Vaughn, you had said that you guys had some bumpy landings on that plane. Am I recalling correctly, the captain of the -- the man who had piloted the Pence plane early on was replaced at some point, is that right?

HILLYARD: That is -- yes. We`ve actually had several pilots. I`m not sure the extent -- I know what you`re referring to, but I`m not sure the extent. There`s pilots that rotate in and out that fly this 737, the campaign plane. They`re good folks. I`m is not sure, to be perfectly honest, who was piloting this time around. The governor, though, did say when he came back to the back of the plane that they were able to see inside the cockpit and there was actually mud on the front window, which was our first indication that we were, in fact, definitely off the runway, because the governor, himself, came back and said that there was mud, but I do not know the extent to which this pilot - and I - and I don`t want to jump to any conclusions, but -

HAYES: Of course.

HILLYARD: -- the plane, this isn`t, you know - and obviously this is a specialist, who`s been a commercial airliner, but I don`t think - this is not just a one-time thing. It`s been happening in the past.

HAYES: Will you just tell me right now - we`ve got some images of first responders, I think, because obviously there`s police, there`s firemen, there are Secret Service, of course. There`s the Secret Service staff that travels with the governor at all times. About how many folks are in that detail?

HILLYARD: With the Secret Service detail? There`s probably about 15 of them that are on the plane.


HILLYARD: Again, at the front of the plane, there are about four -- three, four rows -- yeah, four rows in which campaign staff including the governor, Mrs. Pence and Charlotte Pence, their daughter, ride on, and then behind them is about eight rows of Secret Service and then behind them is where the press sits. And as you see, I mean, this is a -- it looks like a pretty standard plane, two seats on each side of the rows. And, again, immediately the governor got up, made sure that everybody was OK. But, yeah, no, this was probably about 30, 40 people that were on the plane.

HAYES: And that`s -- and so, it`s actually not that huge a staff the governor a traveling with at this point.

HILLYARD: No, no. The governor is traveling -- so the governor, Mrs. pence, Charlotte Pence, adviser Mark Schwartz, Michael Glassner who was an original from the Trump campaign was on the plane today. He typically does not travel with the Pence campaign, but his lucky day. Today`s the day that he jumped on the plane. As well as Mark Schwartz and Michael Glassner, you have Marc Lotter, the press secretary for the governor, you had Jordan Karem, who is their travel director, Bobby (INAUDIBLE) who is their tour lead, and Zach Bauer, who is a special adviser and body man for the governor. That`s pretty much his core -- the chair of the (INAUDIBLE) campaign (INAUDIBLE) was not on the plane, but is (INAUDIBLE) we`re 11 days out, he was doing a New York City fund-raiser tonight and then he`s going to be leaving tomorrow. He`s actually doing -- he`s actually going to be on, if I may promote, he`s going to be on "Morning Joe" tomorrow morning, as well as CNBC`s "Squawk Box." So, we`ll be hearing more from him tomorrow, I`m sure. But that`s the - it was poor contingency. They`re also now seeing - you`re seeing the airline attendants that are there, that are going out here. Hold on one second. I`m going to turn down my audio. Sorry about the -- we`re trying to operate the camera. I don`t know if I did some -


HAYES: Vaughn, I`m going to let you - actually, I`m going to let you go and -


HAYES: -- keep that camera because just so folks know, Vaughn right now is multitasking. He`s operating the camera that you`re seeing as he`s talking to me. And at the same time, I`m going to let you try to - try to maybe get some more information and hold that -- the pool camera there. I`m going to bring in NBC`s Tom Costello, who I believe we have on the phone at this moment, just to give a sense, obviously, the details of what exactly happened here, we are still trying to track down. How often does something like this generally happen, Tom?

TOM COSTELLO, NBC/MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, listen, having a plane coming in, I`m watching the video come in as well, you know, they`ve clearly got a very rainy, difficult weather night there in New York. And whenever you`re coming in on a landing, and keep in mind, a 737 is going to come in somewhere in the neighborhood of 155 miles per hour or so, assuming this is a 737-300. And LaGuardia already is known as a - as a challenging airport when you -- whenever you come in for a - for a landing because it`s right there, as you know, sitting right on the water. And so, when you are dealing with coming in at 155 miles per hour in a rain-slick runway, these things can happen. You know, we get reports of planes off the end of a runway, across the country. I`d say probably almost once every week or two, somewhere in the country, and it happens so often, you know, we just don`t even -- it doesn`t even make news very often, because for the most part, they slide into the mud and nobody is injured, and you have a lot of people asking questions about how this happened. And what will happen now, of course, is you`ll have both the FAA and probably the NTSB, but surely the FAA will take a look at exactly what happened in the cockpit, how fast was the pilot coming in, did he or she hit that runway early enough, or did they hit it too late? And as a result, didn`t have enough runway space at the end? But the chances are -

HAYES: Did we lose tom there? Sounds like we may have lost Tom on the audio there. That`s live footage right now from the runway, if you`re just joining us outside in LaGuardia airport, where the charter plane, the 737 that flies Governor Indiana Mike - Governor of Indiana, Mike Pence, of course, the Republican V.P., just skidded off the runway during a rough landing. You can see there, the plane up in the upper-left-hand corner of that screen, that grassy field there is where the plane ended up stopping not too far from the fence that marks the end of the airport. So a pretty scary landing for the folks, 30-plus that were on that plane that includes the governor, his wife, their daughter, Charlotte, as well as about 15 Secret Service and about a dozen members of the press corps including our own Vaughn Hillyard who at this moment is directing that camera amidst the somewhat chaotic and rainy scene on the runway there in LaGuardia. Let me bring in A.J. Delgado, Trump campaign senior adviser. Well, very happy everyone`s OK.

A.J DELGADO, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISER: Absolutely. All`s well that ends well, but certainly a scary situation. I mean, this kind of makes you realize how much Governor Pence, and all candidates, really, put themselves out there, including even their safety with this constant travel. It`s a - it`s a grueling schedule that they all have, including even Secretary Clinton.

HAYES: Yeah. It is, the amount - the amount of travel that goes on to a modern campaign is pretty remarkable. Generally, campaigns have, you know, large chartered planes like this one, a 737. This is not an island hopper or something like that. These are significant pieces of aircraft that they use to get around. There`s a huge sort of almost kind of traveling universe. I`m sure you`ve been -- you`ve been on Trump Force One, of course.


HAYES: And, you know, there is this sort of weird mobile village that kind of grows up amidst the campaign with everyone from people from all different vectors, campaign staff, the candidate, Secret Service, press, everybody sort of thrown into very intimate quarters and they spend a lot of time together.

DELGADO: Right. It`s a motley crew kind of entourage and with stakes that are very high. So, it`s an interesting experience on these planes. That`s for sure. And especially tonight, just glad to see everybody`s OK.

HAYES: Vaughn Hillyard, I believe, has a little bit more information. Vaughn, you there?

HILLYARD: Yes, I am. We`re here at -

HAYES: So what`s going on now?

HILLYARD: Yeah. So, our shot here, we are the marine -- we`re getting - we`re getting out of the -- we`re leaving the marine air terminal, so the motorcade is now leaving. Mike Pence is no longer going to his fund- raiser. The motorcade here has taken off, so Mike Pence is no longer going to the fund-raiser. We just talked to Mark Lauder, a spokesman, he said, yes, there were no injuries. He said that Port Authority is looking into it, everybody was on scene quickly. Now, you`re going to get a shot here in which this is -- we`re now being taken away. I think we`re going to be following the motorcade here. Are we going to be following the motorcade? No. So, Mike Pence -- we`re not sure exactly now where he`s going. We`ll work on getting that information, but he had originally, a fund-raiser for this evening planned. They said that they are going to reschedule the fund-raiser. It`s going to be at Trump Tower. I know that we had a camera actually there waiting for the governor once he arrive, but he`s no longer going. I guess, after all of this has taken place, the campaign says they`ll reschedule it.

HAYES: I think that probably makes sense. All right. Vaughn Hillyard who did incredible work tonight. Thank you, Vaughn, for all of that. I`m glad you`re safe, I`m glad everyone`s safe. Looks like you are pulling out of the airport there from what I can tell from that live shot in the back of that car. So, Vaughn, thank you very much. We are going to take a short break. We`ll be back with much more. Don`t go anywhere.


HAYES: All right. As you just saw at this hour, the plane for vice president nominee, Mike Pence, Republican Party, skidded off a runway in LaGuardia on a very windy and rainy night. Thank goodness, as far as we can tell and confirm, there were no injuries, everyone`s OK. The Governor of Indiana, his wife, their daughter, their Secret Service detail, had headed off in a motorcade. Where, we do not know, but they`ve canceled a fund-raising appearance that he was scheduled to make tonight at Trump Tower.

Now, at this hour, Donald Trump, his running mate, is about to start his third rally of the day in a crucial Battleground State of Ohio, with Election Day now just 12 days away. Earlier, Trump claimed momentum in the race saying polls now show him with leads in Battleground States across the electoral map.


TRUMP: We don`t want to take it for granted, but we are winning in a lot of states. I have to say, the media now, they`re going wild. The media`s going wild because they`re saying, you know, this guy`s winning in Florida? He`s winning in North Carolina? He`s winning in Iowa? He`s winning in Ohio?


HAYES: The media isn`t quite saying that. Well, a rash of new polls suggest the race has tightened slightly, in recent days Hillary Clinton continues to hold the lead over Trump nationally, and a clear lead in enough Battleground States at this moment to put her over the top. The adjusted national polling average at Nate Silver`s FiveThirtyEight, shows Clinton with about a six-point lead over Trump overall. Its adjusted state polling averages show Clinton with leads in all four of the states Trump mentioned although the race is effectively a dead heat tied in Iowa and Ohio. Crucially in Pennsylvania, a state Trump desperately needs to win, he`s down more than six and a half points in FiveThirtyEight`s adjusted polling average. While the race is tied in Arizona, a state that should be a lay-up for a republican presidential nominee, in addition to refusing to admit publicly he`s down, Trump is now suggesting Clinton`s policies are so bad, maybe you shouldn`t even have an election.


TRUMP: And just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump, right? What are we having it for? What are we having it for?


HAYES: In case it wasn`t clear from the context, that was a joke. While the candidate daydreams of that, his staffs is grappling with the picture they face in the real world. In a blockbuster new piece in Bloomberg Businessweek, Josh Green and Shasha Issenberg report that Trump`s San Antonio research team spends $100,000 a week on surveys and has sophisticated models that run daily simulations of the election. As a result, Trump`s staff knows he`s losing, badly. "Nate Silver`s results have been similar to ours," says Trump digital director, Brad Parscale, "except they lag by a week or to two because he`s relying on public polls." The Trump team`s plan to catch up reportedly involves using targeted Facebook posts and other means to attack Clinton in order to depress turnout amongst three groups she used to win by big margins, idealistic white liberals, young women and African-Americans. A senior official in the Trump campaign described this effort by telling Bloomberg, "We have three major voter suppression operations under way." What he seems to be talking about there is negative campaigning to depress turnout, not what is commonly called voter suppression. With Clinton by her side in North Carolina today, Michelle Obama lambasted the Trump camp`s effort to depress turnout, which she said included Trump`s claims, the election is rigged.


M. OBAMA: That`s how we move forward as a nation. If Hillary doesn`t win this election, that will be on us. It will be because we did not stand with her. It will be because we did not vote for her. And that is exactly what her opponent is hoping will happen. That`s the strategy, to make this election so dirty and ugly that we don`t want any part of it.


HAYES: If Trump does lose this election, don`t expect him to go away quietly. Bloomberg reports by Election Day, Trump`s campaign expects to have captured 12 million or 14 million e-mail addresses, contact information including credit card numbers for 2.5 million small dollar donors who together will have ponied up almost $275 million. Trump`s loyal supporters could become the audience for a new media venture or perhaps the backbone of a third-party political movement. They could also force the GOP to conform to Trumpism instead of moving away from a candidate who lost. In the words of Brad Parscale, Trump`s digital director, "We own the future of the Republican Party." Joining me now, the co-author of that piece, Bloomberg Businessweek senior national correspondent Josh Green. Josh, what I found so fascinating about this piece is, to some extent, I think the story about the Trump campaign is they`re basically winging it, and this was a window into the fact that they may be winging it in certain ways, but there is also an actual organization there doing some of the stuff that campaigns typically do.

JOSHUA GREEN, BLOOMBERG BUSINESSWEEK SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, I mean, that was a real takeaway to me. I think the reason that they cooperated with this piece was that they were little miffed at the idea that their campaign is really no more than Trump and his Twitter feed and they have, in fact, built a pretty ambitious data operation down in San Antonio, they code-named it Project Alamo, and they basically showed off all the bells and whistles, which while it may not resemble a traditional campaign, has turned into a real monster small-dollar fund-raising machine, which is allowing Trump to build up this really valuable list, this audience of donors that conceivably can be transported over to Trump TV network or some new social media play, if he doesn`t win the election, or if he does win the election, you know, he`s got a big - he`s got a big list of supporters backing him up.

HAYES: Yeah, there`s a number of Bernie Sanders, sort of, ex-Sanders fund- raising and digital team folks that I know or follow on Twitter, and they have - they have basically looked at this operation being built in realtime, and they built an incredible operation, obviously. It`s what sort of powered that campaign in certain ways, and they say the metrics that they`ve hit in terms of the number of donors they have, the amount of money they`re able to bring in, is really remarkable in the short period of time they constructed it.

GREEN: You know, it really is remarkable what they`ve done, and I think the most interesting guy in the whole story is this guy, Brad Parscale, who we profile, who essentially is one of the most powerful people in the Trump organization. Crazy story. I mean, he used to build websites for Trump`s real estate properties and the Trump winery. And Trump trusts him, he likes him. You know, he gets a lot done. And eventually as various members of the Trump campaign, Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort got fired or left, you know, Parscale has wound up rising, getting more and more authority and really built this machine that is throwing off all these millions of dollars to the Trump campaign.

HAYES: It`s also interesting that he said to you, "Yeah, our numbers are the same as Nate Silver`s with a two-week lag." I mean, that was a sort of amazing moment of honesty and clarity.

GREEN: Well, they have built sophisticated data models. I mean, they have - they even hired this sort of Cambridge analytico which has real data scientist that know how to model the electorate. They`ve spent millions and millions of dollars doing this stuff. They haven`t really said this to the press, I think it`s one of the reasons why it`s so surprising, but look, if you put good scientists in a room and you use good polls and you crunch the numbers right, you know, you`re going to come out with I would assume a more or less accurate picture of the election.

HAYES: Right.

GREEN: And the numbers they showed us did not differ dramatically from the kind of numbers you see from good public forecasters like Nate Silver. The only point that the Trump people made was, look, we`re out there every night making thousands of calls in all these Battleground States.

HAYES: Right.

GREEN: We see this happening in realtime.


GREEN: Where a lot of these public guys, you know, have a two-week lag.

HAYES: Yes. Everyone who works inside campaigns thinks public polls are incredibly pa say because they get the data every night in realtime. Josh Green, thanks for your time tonight.

GREEN: Thank you.

HAYES: I want to check in now with NBC`s Hallie Jackson who`s at Trump rally in Geneva, Ohio where Trump is about to take the stage, and I understand Trump called Governor Pence to just check in and make sure everything was OK?

HALLIE JACKSON, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, that`s our understanding there, Chris. He was in the motorcade, he landed in Cleveland basically at one of the airports in the city, it`s like a 50-minute drive to Geneva, Ohio, where we are now. And at some point on that motorcade, we are told by a spokesperson that Donald Trump called Governor Pence just to check in to make sure everyone was OK. He said he was obviously happy that everybody was safe. So, that is sort of what you might expect from the top of the ticket with the running mate when an incident like this happens, an incident that obviously is now creating a ripple effect for travelers. Frankly, potentially including us, Trump typically would land back at the FBO at LaGuardia airport after his rallies and that is where we were set to head tonight. So, we`ll see how that unfolds. He is about to take the stage if I`m listening behind me correctly. I think his music is about to begin. I wouldn`t be surprised if he mentions what happened at the top of his remarks, Chris. And that is something that we are watching to see, as music flares up and Donald Trump walks on the stage right now. Chris?

HAYES: All right. All right. Hallie Jackson in Ohio. Thank you very much. Joining me now, republican political strategist Rick Wilson, senior adviser to third-party candidate, Evan McMullin`s presidential campaign and conservative columnist, A.J. Delgado, who`s a senior adviser to the Trump campaign. Thank you for your patience there. I`m glad that everybody is OK at LaGuardia. Rick, what do you think of this quote, "We own the future of the Republican Party"?

RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Well, look, the Republican Party has pretty sold itself lock, stock and barrel to Donald Trump and so they do in a way. But if you`re talking about the Trump demographic owning the future, it`s not a very long future since they`re about 65 years old median. So I`m not convinced that they completely control the future.

I think what we`re going to see is the Republican Party at the end of this, if Trump crashes and burns as it looks like he will, the Republican Party is going to -- a faction of it will split off and say, we needed more Trump, more Peppy the Frog, more alt-right, more white supremacy. There`s a fraction that`s going to say Donald who, what? They`re going to pretend he never existed and hope that they can just skate out of it.

And I think there`s a growing number of conservatives who are following folks like Evan Mcmullin who are looking at a future where a conservative center right third party that gets rid of the legacy code and the negative stuff that has accrued around the Republican Party, moves forward into the future.

So, I think you`re looking at a Republican Party crackup in a lot of these scenarios.

HAYES: All right. Donald Trump taking the podium right now. Let`s take a listen for a second.

TRUMP: And you`ve got thousands and thousands of people standing outside trying to get in. It`s amazing. It`s amazing.

And you know, when I came over, I was just watching the television, I watched one of the commentators say that we have a few thousand people here. A few thousand. You know what a few thousand people, that means 3,000 people. He said we have a few thousand people and I said, oh, these people. Forget it. This is not a few -- to me, a few thousand is 3,000. This is no 3,000. This is 13,000 or 15,000, but this is no -- this is 20,000 if we get them in. So we`ll try getting them in, but let`s start, right?

Thank you, everybody, for being here. In 12 days, we are going to win Ohio and we are going to win back the White House. Believe me. About time.

HAYES: Thought he might say something about the plane there, but big crowd there in Ohio which we should note is a state that he is sort of one of the states that he`s outperforming right now, looks like he`s outperforming Mitt Romney in 2012. It`s very tight there.

A.J., your response to what Rick said.

DELGADO: Well, I have to say as a Latina, I find the mention of (inaudible) any element of white supremacy in the Trump movement to be ridiculous and offensive.

Somebody in her 30s...

WILSON: I can show them to you.

DELGADO: That he mentioned -- well, I find the age you mentioned saying the average Trump supporter is in their 60s to also be ridiculous. This is what they do, because they can`t beat us on the issues, so they attack us...

WILSON: Except for you know research...

DELGADO: With the same old tired Democratic talking points of racist, ageist, whatever it may be.

The bottom line is, we do own the Republican Party. Brad Pascal, our secret weapon on our campaign, tremendous guy, when he said that he`s absolutely right. The Paul Ryan style of conservatism, the George Bush style of conservatism of being pro-war, pro-amnesty, pro-tax cuts only for the rich, which is maybe what Rick likes is dead. Thank god. Thanks to Donald Trump.

Look at Paul Ryan`s favorability numbers across the country. That conservatism is dead.

It`s now the Trumpian style of conservativism. Thank the lord.

HAYES: Rick, I`ll let you respond on just two little things, one is that the tax cut plan put forward by Donald Trump is actually more skewed to the rich than...

DELGADO: No, it isn`t.

HAYES: Than George W. Bush. It is.

But, and the second thing is...

WILSON: Yes, it is.

HAYES: I just want to distinguish between two claims, right, which is that if you`re a Trump supporter you are there for a racist or white supremacist which I would never say, which I don`t think Rick would say, and the fact that of the people out there that are racist and white supremacist, they`re overwhelmingly and very publicly supporting Donald Trump.

DELGADO: No, that`s not true.

And can we talk about the real issue?

WILSON: No, A.J., it is true.


WILSON: The people on the white supremacists all-right movement in this country have flocked to Donald Trump like...

DELGADO: Rick, as someone who doesn`t have a job right now, my good friend who`s a veteran, who doesn`t have a job right now, and stays home taking care of his father with Alzheimer`s, because they don`t have the money to find the proper care for him, do you really think he wants to watch this show, and see us bicker about who has two white supremacist Twitter followers, versus...

WILSON: Here`s a simple way to do it. Decry them. Denounce them.

The fact that David Duke and the alt-right have flocked to Donald Trump and that Republican leaders...

DELGADO: And this makes a difference in the average voters` lives how? Can`t say.

WILSON: ...failed to step up and consistently denounce the fact that Donald Trump -- this is...

DELGADO: He has denounced David Duke dozens of times.

WILSON: He appeals to these people. The dog whistling never stops from Donald Trump to these people. And the fact of the matter is this is a guy...

DELGADO: So being against illegal immigration is dog whistling according to them? This is how ridiculous the discourse has become, Rick.

WILSON: This is a guy who is feeding these people with a nod and a wink every single day. This is a guy who constantly denigrates women, Muslims, minorities of all kinds in a host of different ways.

And as Chris said, I`m not saying that every person who supports Donald Trump is a racist, that`s absurd. But every racist you turn over -- every time you turn over a rock and find a racist, they have a red MAGA hat on, OK.

There is not a -- there`s not a coincidence here.

HAYES: Let me ask you this about how folks are feeling inside the campaign. I mean, he`s talking right now about -- he watches a lot of TV, Donald Trump. Have you notice that? He watches a lot of cable news.

DELGADO: He enjoys being informed. That`s to his credit. He`s a voracious reader and he watches cable news.

HAYES: But there`s obviously sort of this perceptual thing. All campaigns, every campaign I`ve ever covered up until the day you`re there - - I`ve been with candidates who are down 40 points saying we`re going to win, we`re going to shock the world, like that`s just part of being a campaign. No one goes around 10 days being like, oh, we`re getting our butts kicked.

DELGADO: It does happen. People...

HAYES: I mean, no, no. People do come -- I guess my point is, like, there`s an interesting HuffPo, like you guys feel you are prepared, how would you characterize the race? Tied, close, Donald Trump is winning?

DELGADO: We`re winning in the key that I care about: Florida. So I would say -- I wouldn`t even say it`s a dead heat. I would say we`re slightly ahead.

HAYES: There`s one poll out today that had you up 2.

DELGADO: If you said it was a dead heat, I would say that`s fair. It`s anybody`s race right now.

HAYES: Rick, do you think -- how much does what happens on election day matter to the validity of that statement about we own the future of the Republican Party? Which is to say if Donald Trump wins, obviously, that`s one scenario, if he outperforms Mitt Romney or if he underperforms John McCain, does that -- does the range of options here matter in terms of what ends up happening to the Republican Party?

WILSON: You know, I don`t think it does, Chris, because Donald Trump`s brand is so deeply offensive to so many Americans that I think that, look, Republicans ran campaigns against Democrats for 40 years using Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter as sort of the demons out there, they represented the worst of liberal excess, et cetera.

Democrats are going to have Donald Trump to hang around the necks of Republicans because the Republican leadership in this country has failed again and again and again to hold Donald Trump to account, to make him conform to the values that the party claims that it represents, and to show some spine and backbone when this guy continues to do things that are profoundly offensive to women, to minorities, to Muslims.

This is a guy who`s -- he`s like a 360 degree offense machine. You can be -- this guy will attack people no matter who they are and that damage is going to spread throughout the Republican infrastructure because its leaders failed again and again to stand up and to stand for the principles that they claim the party represents.

HAYES: Do you think -- do you think it matters -- obviously if he wins, he becomes president of the United States, that matters a lot. Do you think it matters if he doesn`t win, what the non-win looks like?

DELGADO: No, we will win.


DELGADO: At the end of the day, Rick, getting back to what you said, though, about, look, maybe there is racists out there that wears a MAGA hat. There probably is. I won`t dispute that.

HAYES: I`ve encountered them.

DELGADO: The question who will actually benefit minorities more? They have to talk about things like this because they won`t beat us on the issues. Even with illegal immigration, it`s African-Americans who suffer from it most.

WILSON: You have no issues.


DELGADO:, anti-racist platform and policies belong to Donald Trump, not to Hillary Clinton.

HAYES: I will conclude -- I will conclude this by saying...

DELGADO: I think voters of color will have some sort of referendum on that that we`ll find out on election day.

Rick Wilson and A.J. Delgado, thanks to you both.

Donald Trump speaking in Ohio there. He has not mentioned the brush with runway that his running mate`s plane had at La Guardia, although everyone is safe. He`s doing his spiel there. And we will be right back.


HAYES: All right. as we just showed you moments ago, that`s the runway in La Guardia where the vice presidential nominee`s plane skidded off. Donald Trump speaking right now at a rally in Ohio, a state that is a dead, dead heat.

And joining me now is the Senator Sherrod Brown, a Democrat from Ohio. He early voted a couple of days ago with his wife, Connie Schultz.

And senator, before we get to Ohio, and also some important business taking place in Cleveland and Chicago, you had a close brush, yourself, you got into a car accident a few days ago. It sounded like it was scary. And I have to read the tweet after this -- your car accident. "Thanks for caring and concern. Doing fine. Grateful to PARA police, medical staff and my Jeep made with American steel by union workers in Toledo."

And I have to tip my cap for being on message in your response to a car accident.

SEN. SHERROD BROWN, (D) OHIO: Well, I also said better to happen to me than Corey Kluber, so somebody`s going to get hurt, that week, it`s better me than the Indians` Cy Young winner so I mean, you take one for the team.

I know you`re a Cubs fan. And I know everybody in America feels sorry for the Cubs because it`s been so many years. But Chicago wins basketball, they win NBA, they win NFL, they win -- I don`t know if they win hockey or not. I don`t know much about hockey.

HAYES: So much winning, your head will spin.

BROWN: But you guys just -- you know, the White Sox won 10 years ago. I mean, really. So, it`s Cleveland`s turn, man. Back off.

HAYES: You guys won. You guys had an amazing win last year for that city which I think you could palpably feel how incredible it was when we were there this summer.

The Cleveland Indians are playing great baseball in these playoffs. I am very excited.

I will be at Wrigley on Saturday night. So, I`m excited about that.

Now, let`s talk about your state. This is a heavy lift. It`s really interesting going through data, looking sort of getting in there. You`re seeing this interesting thing happen in this race where you got a state like Virginia where, you know, two cycles ago people said Democrats in Virginia, I can`t believe they`re going to win Virginia,

Democrats now, Hillary Clinton, they`re up by sizable portions. It is absolutely neck and neck in Ohio right now.

BROWN: Yeah, Virginia, actually -- I believe Virginia both in `08 and `12, I think the margins for President Obama were larger in Virginia than Ohio. Ohio has gone -- I mean, Ohio almost always goes with the winner.

Hillary is going to win Ohio. The polls are very close now. I can see two things happening. I can see union members who might have flirted with Trump a little bit are coming around to vote for Hillary. I`ve spent a lot of time in union halls, a lot of time talking to workers, and union activists are talking to their co-workers that also belong to the union and are not yet there and are moving toward Hillary.

The other thing that`s happening, a lot of young people that may have thought about Gary Johnson in July and August and September are now realizing that, one, he doesn`t really represent what they believe, and second, they understand that how important it is so vote for Hillary against Trump.

So she`s going to win the state. It`s going to be not as -- it`s going if to be closer than maybe Virginia, and certainly Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and Michigan. But she`s going to do well here.

HAYES: You know, it`s amazing when you look at how these -- when you look at county breakdowns in a state like Ohio where Democrats have enormous margins in major metropolitan areas. They then have to sort of fight to keep that margin in rural areas, particularly.

There was this moment on Fox News I wanted to play you in which it was sort of a cat out of the bag moment about what this is really about with Bill Hemmer talking to Sean Spicer. Take a listen.


SEAN SPICER, RNC: I`m looking at early voting.


You have good news in ohio.

SPICER: We do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: White share of the vote is up three points from four years ago, black share of the vote is down seven.

SPICER: Early vote is where Democrats do well. We do very well on election day, Republicans tend to show up. Democrats need to do very, very well.

HEMMING: I`m talking -- I`m talking about mail-in ballots, I`m not talking about in-person voting.

SPICER: I understand that.


HAYES: I mean, at one level it`s true, right, that is good news for the Republican Party, but it`s also sort of just remarkable thing to think about in the context of where we are in terms of an American democracy.

BROWN: Yeah, they -- I mean, it`s about suppressing the vote for this crowd.

Look at Texas. I mean, Texas, if you have a University of Texas student ID, that doesn`t get you a ballot, but if you have a concealed weapon permit, that does get you a ballot.

And look at what they`re doing in North Carolina and Ohio, the Republicans eliminated what`s called golden week.

HAYES: Golden week.

BROWN: The week you could both register and vote. It was created bipartisanly by the legislature, signed by Republican Governor Bob Taft who is really a real moderate, decent Republican. He`s not the right wing that they`ve all become, the right wingers they`ve become.

But they`ve clawed all this back. So in Ohio it is a shorter window, it`s a smaller window to vote early, but the -- they`re going to be there. I mean, Democrats are going to be there. People of color are going to be there. People that want to support Hillary are going to be there in early voting. And we will catch up and do better, if in fact -- I`m not sure of those numbers, if, in fact, we`re not quite doing as well as we were four years ago.

HAYES: That a key point for folks, that golden week wasn`t some like lefty plot by ACORN to win the state for, you know, for Democrats. I mean, was just this idea you could go register and vote at the same time, it was the same period of time and it was good for turnout. It was good for participation.

The Republicans in control of the state just got rid of that and they didn`t get rid of it with some, any argument about voter fraud, they just got rid of it.

BROWN: Yeah, and there was a case that went to federal court and then it was overturned after one of these registration -- one of these rollback, clawback on registration on opening up registration, a George Bush judge voted in favor of keeping the registration more open and liberal and an appellate circuit judge, circuit court reversed it.

But you`ve seen it, the secretary of state now in Ohio has purged hundreds of thousands of voters.

So we`re seeing this effort all over the country. As you know, Chris, as you pointed out on the show, first time in 50 years the Voting Rights Act won`t be enforced in states around the country and it`s clearly suppressing the vote.

And the only way they can win is to do that. They know that their ideas don`t work. Even if they had a better candidate, their ideas aren`t selling so they suppress the vote.

HAYES: All right. Senator Sherrod Brown, thanks for joining us.

Go, Cubs.

BROWN: Enjoy Saturday night.

HAYES: I will.

BROWN: But not too much, Chris.

HAYES: All right. We will have more. We got some more information about that hairy moment about La Guardia that happened earlier this evening with the vice presidential nominee`s plane. We`ll have more on that just after this break.


HAYES: All right. We`ve got an update from NBC`s own Vaughn Hilliard who took that footage on that plane on the vice presidential nominee, Mike Pence`s plane, after it skidded off the runway there in La Guardia.

And Vaughn, just let us know, what`s the latest?


So Mike Pence is headed back to his hotel for the evening. He had a Trump Tower fundraiser tonight that he is no longer going to, but he did call in to the people that were there. He was actually supposed to be there earlier in the evening, but because of the weather here in New York at La Guardia, the airplane was not going to be able to come into the airport and so he was already delayed, and obviously going off the tarmac made it a little bit worse.

But he called into the fund-raiser and talked to the people. And Hallie Jackson I know also reported that Mike Pence talked with Donald Trump in the motorcade back on the way to Manhattan. He is going to be in Manhattan overnight. He`s going to be doing some morning shows as well as on Morning Joe in the morning, or so is the plan now.

The campaign says that a new campaign plane is already on the way to La Guardia, which it will take off from tomorrow.

HAYES: All right, Vaughn, for folks who are just joining, can you just tell us again what happened on that plane?


So we were landing, and this is not the first time we`ve had a bumpy -- granted, we never gone off the runway before -- but we were flying into La Guardia, through the clouds, through the rain, plane. And we had a very sudden, rough impact upon landing, but then for about two, three seconds, it continued to go down the runway. At that point, it was kind of a sharp veer to the right, in which that`s the point where it really felt like we were swerving off the tarmac. And then there was a little bit of impact as we were going through the grass, which turned into mud, and that`s when we realized that we came to a very sudden stop and realized that we were in fact off the tarmac.

Fire trucks, ambulances quickly rushed to the scene, the lights went up and we could see how close, we saw some shots earlier in which you could see how close we were to the roadway. And that`s when it became real.

We`ve kind of taken it for granted rough impacts on the Pence campaign plane but that was obvious when you saw the road and the lights that this wasn`t a normal landing here at La Guardia.

HAYES: All right, Vaughn Hilliard, I am so happy you are safe. So happy everyone is safe. Mike Pence tweeting two minutes ago. So thankful everyone on our plane is safe. Grateful for the first responders and the concern and prayers of so many back on the trail tomorrow.

HILLIARD: They were there quickly.

HAYES: Yeah, Vaughn, you`ll be back on the trail tomorrow, I am sure. Thank you very much. And thanks for the great work you did taking that footage as well.

All right. So Donald Trump is in Ohio, Mike Pence traveling from Iowa back to New York. Meanwhile earlier today, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton on stage together for the very first time at an event in North Carolina. Here is what that looked like.


MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY: Hillary doesn`t play. She has more experience and exposure to the presidency than any candidate in our lifetime. Yes, more than Barack, more than Bill, and, yes, she happens to be a woman.


HAYES: Joining me now, Michelle Bernard, president and CEO of The Bernard Center for Women in Politics and Public Policy, my good friend and colleague Joy Reid, host of AM Joy right here on MSNBC and Charlie Pierce writer-at-large at Esquire.

Michelle, I want to ask you this. The gender gap we`ve seen open up, how much is that gender gap, because it seems like it`s working in both directions. It`s not only that Donald Trump has bragged about serial sexual assault and now been accused by 12 different women on the record. He used to run beauty contests, all sorts of things.

There`s also the first women nominee in major party history. How much of that wedge is each of those factors in your mind?

MICHELLE BERNARD, CEO, BERNARD CENTER FOR WOMEN IN POLITICS AND PUBLIC POLICY: You know what, it is -- it is really so hard to tell. I`ll tell you, from one day to another I change my mind.

You know, I would at first think that all of the things that we have heard come up about Donald Trump would push so many women towards Hillary Clinton, and we`ve seen that, for example, with Republicans for Hillary Clinton.

But when you look at Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton on the stage today and you think about the nation`s history from the first women`s rights convention in Seneca Falls in 1848 to women being able to get the right to vote, to be able to get equal credit, to get an equal pay act, to get the violence against women act, to black women feeling sort of lost in the conventional women`s rights movement in the United States and having to form their own organizations and here we have two first ladies, African-American, white, one running for the presidency of the United States, it is a historic moment. And I can`t imagine that women did not watch this speech today and think to themselves that they -- that this is an opportunity for them to be a part of history like they were with voting for Barack Obama in 2008.

HAYES: Charlie, Michelle Obama, I saw her give -- do an event in Nevada in the primary in 2008 and she was great. She has only -- you`ve been covering politics for a long time, like she is very, very, very good at this.

CHARLIE PIERCE, ESQUIRE: Yeah. I thought she gave the best speech at the Democratic National Convention by a couple of lengths. And that was a pretty good row of speakers there, including most of the people who were out there now operating as surrogates for the Clinton campaign, who if nothing else --the Clinton campaign if nothing else has the 1927 Yankees of surrogates, because I saw Elizabeth Warren at St. Anselm`s the day before and she tore it up.

But I think, you know, Michelle Obama, Ii did not see her that much during the 2008 campaign. She`s become a very good public speaker and a completely different one from her husband, which I find fascinating.

He`s -- I mean his -- she`s a little bit less poetic and a little bit -- she`s a little bit less jazz and a little bit more rock `n` roll than he is.

I mean the emotion is very close to the surface every time she speaks.

HAYES: I found -- I found her to be one of the most effective surrogates for exactly the reason Charlie identifies, Joy. There`s -- first of all, she`s in a unique position, the first lady always does. Generally they have high favorability. They`re sort out of the daily parry and thrust of politics, but her as the vouch -- as the person vouching for Hillary Clinton, there`s some -- what is it about her vouching for her that has the effect it does?

JOY RIED, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Michelle Obama, first of all, is a first for a lot of reasons. First ladies don`t do this. What she`s doing is not even what Eleanor Roosevelt did. And Eleanor Roosevelt was probably the most active first lady that we`ve had in politics our up until Michelle Obama. She certainly didn`t really do it in 2008 for a lot of other reasons. She was put upon by a lot of cultural baggage.

But what Michelle Obama did in 2008 was to take her magic wand and tap Barack Obama for black people. You know, I was doing radio back then. And a lot of African-Americans didn`t think he was authentic. His is Barack Obama. Black people see people with unusual names, but he had everything against him. They have the pedigree coming from, you know, not really Chicago, really Hawaii and an exotic figure in a lot of ways. And I know I was doing a show that had a mostly black audience who were more for Hillary than they were for Barack Obama.

And then Michelle came along, tapped him with her magic Michelle Obama wand and he seemed instantly authentic. She seems like your cousin. She seems like someone you know. She`s so real.

She`s now taken that magic and she has put that magic onto Hillary Clinton. She called her my girl. That was magic for Hillary Clinton.

HAYES: That is such a great point. And that history is so lost in many respects about what happened in 2008 and particularly down that South Carolina primary and getting there and her being able to sort of laying on hands role that she played then, reprising it now for Hillary Clinton.

REID: Absolutely.

HAYES: Michelle Bernard, Joy Reid and Charlie Pierce, thank you for staying with us on a somewhat hectic night. I appreciate it.

All right, that is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now. Good evening, Rachel.