Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: October 13, 2016 Guest: Michelle Goldberg, Joshua Green, Steve Cortes, Lisa Bloom, Charlie Sykes, Josh Barro
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes, as you can see there at this hour, we have addresses from both Donald Trump, who`s addressing a rally of supporters, and the president who is in Ohio at a fund-raiser, let`s take a listen to what the president is saying.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you so much, everybody. Please have a seat. I`m going to talk to you for a while now. Tonight, we`re here to talk about the showdown that`s happening right here in Ohio over the next few weeks, and of course, it would not be an Ohio Democratic Party steak dinner without your former governor and your next United States senator, Ted Strickland, love this man. Your current senator who`s fighting for you every single day, Sheriff Brown, a couple of your outstanding members of congress, Joyce Beatty and Tim Ryan. I know the Ohio Democratic Party has been preparing for this election. You know, a strong party depends on great public servants being elected at the local level and the school boards and the city councils and the mayor`s office, and your field operation has helped us win important races from Akron to Toledo, from Chilikoff to Warren, and through the spring, even as we democrats had a hard-fought primary, you kept signing up thousands of volunteers, registering thousands of voters.
HAYES: All right, we`re going to keep our eye on the president who we imagine after this sort of ceremonial opening in which he`s talking about the race there with Ted Strickland, who`s running against incumbent Rob Portman in the Ohio Democratic Party, will probably turn his sights to presidential election which is also what Donald Trump is talking about there. Now, Trump faced with an ever expanding set of allegations about his conduct towards women, is now retreating increasingly into a posture of aggrieved paranoia. After the bus tape went public, showing Trump bragging of obscene turns about how fame allows him to prey on women, the republican nominee distinguished between words and actions at Sunday night`s debate and said he never actually done any of the acts he described on the tape. Yesterday, of course, individual women started coming forward with their own stories of inappropriate behavior by Trump. A day later, it still hasn`t stopped. We should note that none of these stories have been confirmed by NBC News, but last night "The New York Times" published its bombshell report on two women, both on the record, who say Trump did some of these same things to them that he boasted about on that bus. One of them, Rachel Crooks, receptionist at an office in Trump Tower around 2005, she said Trump kissed her without her consent. The other, Jessica Leeds, said she was seated next to Trump on a plane nearly 1980`s.
JESSICA LEEDS, TRUMP ACCUSER: So when he started putting his hand up my skirt, and that was it. That was it. I was out of there.
HAYES: Trump denies the report, is now threatening to sue "The New York Times", more on that later. Also last night, The Palm Beach report - Post reported on a woman named Mindy McGillivray, who said Trump groped her 13 years ago during a concert at Mar-a-Lago Resort. The Trump camp denies those allegations as well. After our show last night, after it ended - just minutes after it ended, People magazine published an account by one of its own writers, who said that Trump physically attacked her at Mar-a-Lago in 2005 while she was working on a feature about him and his wife, Melania, quote, "We took a break for the then-very-pregnant Melania to go upstairs and change wardrobe for more photos, Donald wanted to show me around the mansion. There was one "tremendous" room in particular, he said, that I just had to see. We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat." It`s quite a story, worth your time to read in full. The account bears striking resemblance to the story told by Jill Harth, who sued Trump for sexual harassment in 1997, later dropping the sued amid a contract dispute. Harth says, Trump repeatedly groped and harassed her, while they worked on a business deal in the early 90`s, including one memorable incident at Mar-a-Lago.
JILL HARTH, TRUMP ACCUSER: It started out as a group tour, but he -- at a - at a very soon opportunity, he gave me a private tour. And that`s when he pulled me aside in the children`s room, and made another sexually aggressive advance on me, where he tried to make his move. He pushed me up against the wall and had his hands all over me, and tried to get up my dress again.
HAYES: Trump denied the allegations by Jill Harth and Natasha Stoynoff, the People magazine writer. Former contestants in Trump`s beauty pageants have also come forward to accuse him of inappropriate behavior, including Miss Arizona 2001, Tasha Dixon, who told CBS News Trump walked into contestants` changing room, something he, himself, bragged about doing on "The Howard Stern Show".
TASHA DIXON, FORMER MISS ARIZONA: Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis. To have the owner come waltzing in when we`re naked or half naked in a very physically vulnerable position, and then to have the pressure of the - you know, the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him.
HAYES: Trump has yet to comment on Dixon`s story. Yesterday, "BuzzFeed" reported Trump had done something similar with teenage beauty queens, some as young as 15 though some of the contestants disputed that account. This morning on the "Today" show, Temple Taggart, Miss Utah 1997 recounted her own story of being kissed in the mouth by Trump.
TEMPLE TAGGART, FORMER MISS UTAH: He turned to me and embraced me and gave me a kiss on the lips and I remember being shocked and -- because I would have just thought to shake somebody`s hand. It`s really hard because you think of sending your little daughter out there -- sorry -- with men like that, that think like that. I think of the possibility of having somebody like Donald Trump become president when he has the history that he has, when he`s spoken like he - like we`ve all heard him speak, it terrifies me. I don`t want my kids looking up to somebody like that.
HAYES: Trump has denied Taggart`s account as well as the BuzzFeed report, then there`s the little known rape suit against the republican nominee, an anonymous woman alleging Trump raped her when she was just 13. Just yesterday, a federal judge assigned an initial court date of December 16th for the civil lawsuit which Trump has slammed as a baseless attempt to smear him. Most of this broke in just the last day and a half, and the couple -- past couple hours alone have already been new unverified reports of Trump looking up models` skirts and telling 14-year-olds he`ll soon be dating them, who knows if there`s more to come. The controversy over Trump`s treatment of women has already taken toll on his poll numbers and his relationship with his own party. The more Donald Trump gets backed into a corner, the more he reverts to the dark dystopic worldview of outlets like Breitbart and Infowars. Campaigning today in Florida, Trump denied the allegations against him and cast doubt on his accusers.
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These vicious claims about me of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. These events never, ever happened and the people that said them meekly fully understand, you take a look at these people, you study these people, and you`ll understand also.
HAYES: At that rally, Trump spoke in apocalyptic, even messianic terms about the state of the country and his own role in changing it.
TRUMP: This is not simply another four-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not we, the people, reclaim control over our government. This is a struggle for the survival of our nation, believe me. And this will be our last chance to save it on November 8th. Remember that.
HAYES: Trump also borrowed language from longstanding anti-Semitic conspiracy theories to explain his faltering campaign.
TRUMP: The Clinton machine is at the center of this power structure. We`ve seen this first-hand in the WikiLeaks documents in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interests friends, and her donors. Their financial resources are virtually unlimited, their political resources are unlimited, their media resources are unmatched and most importantly, the depths of their immorality is absolutely unlimited.
HAYES: That`s Donald Trump`s vision of this campaign in America right now. Let`s take a listen now as the president talks about what his and the Democrat Party`s vision is.
OBAMA: On the other hand, you`ve got somebody who each and every day, every time he talks, proves himself unfit and unqualified for this office. And I don`t need to spend a huge amount of time selling this crowd on Hillary. If you want to hear the best case for Hillary Clinton, you want to hear the very real stakes in this election, I would advise you to link up to Michelle`s speech from earlier today in New Hampshire. She was pretty good, I mean, she -- that`s why you get married, to improve your gene pool, so your kids end up being superior to you. So I don`t need to sell you on Hillary and I don`t need to sell you on Ted, you guys know her, know him, have seen the track record that they have put together, but I`m going to go ahead and say some nice things about Ted, anyway, because he`s here.
You know, I could not be prouder to call Ted a friend, he was a great congressman for the people of Southeast Ohio, he was a great governor for everybody in Ohio, he was a great Campaign Co-Chair for me in 2012, and there`s a reason that Ted`s always put working families first, because in those families, he sees his own families, he knows what it`s like to struggle, he knows their hopes and their dreams, he`s the son of a steelworker, he`s the first in his family to go to college, he`s a minister who doesn`t just talk the talk, but lives out his faith, and a public servant who puts his values into action, so when he was in congress, he fought to pass the Children`s Health Insurance Program working alongside Hillary.
HAYES: Ted Strickland, the senate candidate, former governor of the (INAUDIBLE) Obama was talking about is running against incumbent, Rob Portman is in a tough race, polling behind there, part of what tonight`s event, of course, fund-raiser and also a boost for that candidacy. I want to bring in Trump surrogate Steve Cortes, who was on Trump`s National Hispanic Advisory Council. And Steve, look, I want to sort of set the terms here, right, I understand that you`re with the campaign and you`re speaking at some level on their behalf and the official line from the campaign is that all of these are wrong. You know, I guess the question is, is there some point 8 -- you know, you get from 7 to 8 to 10 to 11 and then where we`re going. Like, you know, it does become more and more difficult to deny each individual one, doesn`t it?
STEVE CORTES, TRUMP`S SUPPORTER: Sure, you know, Chris, listen, I will address your question, but I first have to address, you said in your - in your polemic, in your introduction, that there`s an anti-Semitism, and I have to address this because I couldn`t disagree more strenuously with you. Are you saying that Donald Trump can`t criticize the media and can`t criticize international banks without being accused of some sort of dog whistle of anti-Semitism?
HAYES: What I said was it drew on longstanding anti-Semitic tropes, the global cabal of international bankers that she meets with behind closed door to undermine national sovereignty, I think it is a fair statement to say that does draw on or at least reference those tropes, I can read you from the protocols of the elders of Zion, you`ll find strikingly similar language therein, I am not saying that he did that, knowingly maybe he didn`t but there is - there is more than a passing similarity between that conceptual area and what he talks about today, yes.
CORTES: Well, I think that`s an absurd stretch. This is a man who`s lived his entire life in New York City, a man who has a Jewish daughter, who has Jewish grandchildren, the idea that he has somehow secretly lived as an anti-Semite, I think is ludicrous.
HAYES: I don`t think he has. Although, I will introduce you one time to some of the people who tweet me about Jews being pushed into ovens, which is a pretty regular occurrence during this campaign, the folks would be, "Make America great" hats in their avatars, talking about how great the holocaust is, which is not something I have ever encountered before in my life in politics in America, nor have any of the dozens of others who perceive that kind of thing.
CORTES: Chris, this has been an incredibly polarizing race. I receive a lot of tweet hate that is frankly very, very despicable as well --
HAYES: Fair enough.
CORTES: -- I think sadly, there are a lot of loons on both sides of the - of the equation right now, but to get to your point, and listen, it`s a fair point, right, so you know, the strength in numbers means something in terms of the accusations, all I can say is this, and I would like to only speak to the, you know, on the record accusations, so there`s - right now, I think two that are important, "The New York Times" ones and the "People" magazine ones. You are not there --
HAYES: Plus the "Palm Beach Post" is four and then there`s Miss Utah that`s five but --
CORTES: Well -- OK, you were not there, I was not there, "The New York Times" was not there.
HAYES: All of that`s true.
CORTES: None of us knows what happen, we don`t. Let`s just be honest about that. We don`t know --
HAYES: Definitively, I agree.
CORTES: I am a believer in Donald Trump, I`m a believer in his record of empowering women, in his organization both the Trump businesses that he`s run, his enterprises and our campaign which is run by an incredibly strong woman, so I believe him in his categorical denials.
HAYES: I`m sure.
CORTES: And none of us can argue a counter factual, none of us know otherwise on either side.
HAYES: No, but here`s the one thing, and I totally agree with you none of us were there. And again, we know these -- all incidents like these are somewhat black boxes, right, that - there is a little bit of who you trust in it. We do have this situation in which the candidate in question, the person accused in question, has been caught talking on tape saying that he kisses women without their consent, that women will let him do anything because he`s famous, and that you can grab them by the genitals.
HAYES: We also have examples of people coming forward to say, "That is precisely what he did to me, exactly what he said he did on that tape." I think that contributes to one`s assessment of the credibility, don`t you?
CORTES: Sure. Listen, I do understand that ridiculous conversation, that repugnant conversation that he had over a decade ago, has made him more open to these kinds of allegations, and I`ll be the first to admit that. But when I look at the totality of Donald Trump, and when I look at what is knowable about his life and about his business career and about his campaign.
CORTES: I think he`s arguing strenuously for the empowerment of women, when he talks about childcare, when he talks about economic growth, when he talks about security. I believe this is a man who not only respects women -
HAYES: Same with the beauty pageants? Do you think the beauty - do you think the beauty pageants are that, a good example of that?
CORTES: You know, I - listen, I don`t know much about beauty pageants, OK? And I really don`t know about his past either. I think this is --
HAYES: I just know that he ran about four of them.
CORTES: This is - well, I think this is important, too. Now, to your point, Donald Trump has not spent his life in politics, right?
HAYES: No, he spend a lot of time running beauty pageants.
CORTES: He is still very, very new to this. One, beauty pageants were part of a media empire. He ran a hospitality and media empire and he did not live a scripted life, quite the opposite of Hillary Clinton who I would argue has been essentially running for office, and by the way, on the public dole for decades. And so because of that - because he lives in a world of reality TV and Hollywood and beauty pageants, there`s some really inelegant moments in that, right? There`s clearly are.
HAYES: I will agree with you. The public record and the statements are not the public records of someone who`s been sort of thinking about running for office for a long time. Steve Cortes, thanks for your time, and I appreciate it.
CORTES: Thank you.
HAYES: That is Donald Trump doing, I believe, his third event today. He`s speaking to folks there. Joining me and Michelle Goldberg, columnist of Slate, Joshua Green, senior national correspondent at Bloomberg Business Week. And Josh, let me start with you. And I - and I -Stevens, it`s a fair point, you know, anti-Semitism obviously is a - is a powerful charge and I`m not saying that the speech is anti-Semitic or that Donald Trump is. There`s a worldview out of which that has a sort of familiar relationship to. It`s the worldview you hear on infowars. It`s part of a worldview of Breitbart and Bannon. This kind of idea of a total conspiracy that is aligned against the good and the righteous and the sort of the bulk as represented by Donald Trump. I mean, that is kind of coming from that campaign. That`s what that campaign is mainlining right now, isn`t that true?
JOSHUA GREEN, SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT AT BLOOMBERG BUSINESS WEEK: I mean, it`s certainly steeped in that ethos. And if you look at the campaign chairman, and where he comes from, then yeah. But I think there`s also a kind of, we`ve reached a stage where there`s really a kitchen-sink approach where, you know, Trump is in a bunker with these guys, and it`s them against the world. You can see -- they`re literally saying this in their TV ads, so, you know, any attack on Hillary Clinton is a worthwhile one from the Trump standpoint now.
HAYES: Yeah. Michelle, you`ve - I mean, you`ve reported on politics for a long time, and this -- the picture that`s being painted here in that Florida speech, which I think was sort of the darkest that we`ve ever seen from him, is that it`s all rigged. There`s a - there`s a total incomprehensive conspiracy allied against me.
MICHELLE GOLDBERG, SLATE COLUMNIST: I mean, what`s really terrifying is that if he loses, which it looks like he`s probably going to lose, you know, the people -- I`ve spoken to Trump supporters quite recently who still don`t believe he`s behind in the polls, who still believe that if he is behind in the polls, it`s because the polls are rigged. To believe that the American people writ large are behind Trump, and he`s telling them what I think a lot of them -- what they`re hearing from other sources as well, which is the only way that they lose these things is if certain scheming global elites who control the media and international banking and who sometimes have three parentheses around their names when they appear on Twitter, because those people are going to steal it from them, because those people released these tapes to discredit Donald Trump. It just -- what -- how are they going -- I mean, how are they going to react? It`s setting us up, I think, for a spasm. There`s a lot of groups that are going to be targeted in the spasm of violence that is likely to follow a Donald Trump loss. And I think, you know, I don`t know that Jews are the ones who have the most to fear from this, you know, certainly Muslims and illegal immigrants, but I have never felt so uneasy as a Jew in America as I have watching this.
HAYES: Let me - let me say that I hope that that`s not the case, right? I think we hope that the rhetoric of the campaign is heeded and there`s a sort of ebbing of that, but Josh, to Michelle`s point, something I`ve been very curious about, you wrote a great profile of Steve Bannon, you`ve got sources in the campaign. Do they understand they`re losing?
GREEN: You know, I`m not sure they do. I think there`s two things going on. You know, when i talked to them, two things come out. Trump psychologically just can never be on the defensive. He won`t allow himself to be, right? So the more -- the more serious and plentiful the charges of groping, or just sexual improprieties or whatever, the more aggressively he`s going to hit back. That`s just Trump`s nature. But the other thing here that I think we got to talk about is look at who is in Trump`s inner circle, Bannon, David Bossie, Kelly Conway, these people share a distinct professional background that`s unique to Republican politics. They are all specialists in Clinton scandals.
GREEN: There is no analogous category on the left. But you can`t be - you can`t be a lefty who spends his life like doing bush scandals or Romney scandals. It just doesn`t exist.
GREEN: But you can make a career for yourself specializing in Clinton scandals. And here we are in the last 30 days of the campaign, Trump is desperate. These guys have his ear and conservatives have wanted for two decades now to re-litigate both Clintons over their sex scandals, and now is their moment. Like, so when I talk to these guys, they are - there are not despondent, they are exultant. Like for them, this is - for conservatives, this is like Cubs fans finally getting into the World Series. Like this is what they want.
HAYES: Right. All right. Michelle Goldberg and Joshua Green, thank you very much. I`m going to go to the president right now. Take a listen.
OBAMA: -- number of people in the Republican Primaries believe. And the people who knew better than say anything. They didn`t say, "Well, you know what, I disagree with his economic policies, but too - that`s goes too far. They didn`t say, well, you know, I`m not sure his foreign policy is the right one for America, but, you know, we can`t allow our politics to descend into the gutter. People like ted`s opponent. They stood by while this happened. And Donald Trump, as he`s prone to do, he didn`t build a building himself, but he just slapped his name on it and took credit for it. And that`s what happened in their party. All that bile, all the exaggeration, all of the stuff that was not grounded in fact, just kind of bubbled up, started surfacing. They know better.
A lot of these folks who ran, and they didn`t say anything. And so, they don`t get credit for at the very last minute when finally the guy that they nominated and they endorsed and they supported is caught on tape saying things that no descent person would even think, much less say, much less brag about, much less laugh about, or joke about, much less act on. You can`t wait until that finally happens, and then say, "Oh, that`s too much, that`s enough," and think that somehow you are showing any kind of leadership and deserve to be elected to the United States senate. You don`t get points for that. In fact, I`m more forgiving of the people who actually believe it than the people who know better and stood silently by out of political expediency, because it was politically convenient. And if you`re - if you`re only organizing principle has been to block progress and block what we`ve tried to do to help the American people every step of the way, so you`re not even consistent anymore.
You claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate? And stand by and endorse and campaign with until finally, at the 11th hour, you withdraw your nomination? You don`t get credit for that. You`re the party that is tough on foreign policy and opposes Russia? Then you nominate this guy, whose role model is Vladimir Putin, the former head of the KGB? I`m sorry, what happened? It`s disappointing. It really is, because, yes, I`m a democrat, but I`m an American first. And I actually believe in a strong two-party system, and I think that the marketplace of ideas should have a reasonable common sense Republican Party debating a reasonable common sense Democratic Party, but that is not what we have right now. And the reason is because people like Ted`s opponents who know better have stood silently by. They`ve been trying to block everything we`ve tried to do to help working folks for years now. Even here in the State of Ohio, they opposed us trying to save the auto industry upon which hundreds of thousands of jobs depend. And then when it works out pretty good, you`re taking credit for. Man, look at this economy, it`s gone great. Yeah. But you sure didn`t help. It wasn`t because of your policies. That`s not why Ohio grew, that`s not why folks got back to work.
So, the point is if your only agenda is either negative -- negative`s a euphemism, crazy, based on lies, based on hoaxes, this is the nominee you get. You make impossible. Now, they`re shacked. It`s like -- remember that movie in "Casablanca," guy walks in, shocked that there`s gambling in this establishment. Young people may not understand that reference. Go back, watch "Casablanca." Great movie. Humphrey Bogart. So, Donald Trump may make most republican politicians look a little bit better by comparison. I mean, it`s like the bar`s gotten so low, but these are -- these are the same republicans who tried to block us from rescuing the economy. Did not -- did not offer a single vote when it came to the recovery package that made sure that we started growing again long before any other advanced economy did. Same folks who didn`t vote for the auto industry assistance that resulted now in record-backing auto sales. The same folks who tried to take away folks` health insurance every chance they get. Who refuse to allow votes on giving minimum wage workers a raise. Refused to support, making sure women earn equal pay for equal work.
How hard a concept is that? Why would you want your daughter to get paid 80 cents for doing the same job that somebody else`s son is getting paid a buck to do? That doesn`t make any sense. So, don`t act like this started with Donald Trump. I mean, he did take it to a whole new level. I got to give him credit. But he didn`t come out of nowhere, and that`s why we got to win this election at every level. That`s where you come in, democrats. That`s where your work will make a difference. That`s where all the volunteer recruitment and the voter registration and the campus organizing comes into play, because when democrats have everybody on the field, we can`t lose. And the other side knows that. That`s why they`re always trying to make it harder for folks to vote. Which, by the way, you know, that`s a big difference between our parties. We`re the only advanced democracy that has one party`s central principle being, let`s make it harder to vote. Doesn`t happen other places. We don`t think more voices participating in our democracy makes us weaker, just like we don`t try to divide people by race or faith or orientation or gender. We believe we`re stronger together, not divided.
And if we keep speaking to America`s hopes over their fears and if we inspire them rather than divide them, if we have concrete plans to respond to the very real challenges that folks face with the same sense of urgency and compassion and empathy that we feel in our own families and our own communities, if we care about every kid the same way we want this country to care about our kids, then we`ll win in November.
I know that at times this has been a deeply dispiriting election year. And as I think back to 2008, or even 2012, and the sense of energy and hope that we felt, and I think about all the incredible work that we`ve done and the promises that we`ve delivered on -- you know, sometimes you wonder how did we get to the point where we have such ranker. And there are a lot of theories about it. People have real struggles in pockets of this country. Change is happening fast, sometimes faster than we feel like we can absorb. There`s a constant stream of information coming at us and so much of what attracts attention is the bad news instead of all the incredible things that are taking place in every corner of this great land.
But some of it, I think, really does just have to do with the fact that what`s best in us has all too often stood on the sidelines and hasn`t been heard and has left the field to some of our worst impulses.
So I want all of you to understand, when I reflect back on these eight years, and I think about all the places I`ve been, all 50 states, towns and hamlets and big cities, suburbs and metropolises, met people from all walks of life -- on the factory floor, in classrooms. There`s so much goodness in this country. There`s so much decency in this country. There`s so much hard work going on in this country. There`s so much ingenuity going on in this country. There`s so much optimism in people`s day-to-day lives and so much resilience.
And we`ve just got to give expression to that.
We have to reflect our best selves, and that means even during political campaigns. We`ve got to show our kids the values that we want to pass on to them. And you know what, the Democratic Party is not perfect. I can say that even in a Democratic Party dinner.
We have our own blind spots and we have our own disagreements. We have interest groups that oftentimes are understandably thinking about their narrow slice of the issue when sometimes we contribute to sort of the lack of civility in our politics. We don`t always check ourselves. There are times where we`re not consistent in what we expect from our own leadership versus others. The times where we ignore inconvenient truths, ourselves.
But what I`m really proud about, what I continue to fundamentally believe, is that at its core, the Democratic Party believes that everybody counts. The Democratic Party believes in ordinary working people being able, if they`re working hard, to get ahead. The Democratic Party believes that we`ve got to leave a country and a planet that`s better than the one we inherited for the next generation. The Democratic Party believes that everybody has dignity and everybody has respect and everybody`s worthy of consideration and the Democratic Party believes that we`re all in this together.
And that`s what we have to show for the next little less than 30 days. And that`s what we have to fight for. This isn`t just about winning elections, it`s also about affirming this democracy and affirming this democracy basic idea that people who love their country can change it, that the most important office in this country is the office of citizens, that ordinary people when they get together can transform this nation and can solve any problem and can overcome any obstacle and can heal any division.
If you believe that, if you don`t just go through the motions this time, but if you really dig deep and think about what`s best in us and what are we fighting for and how do we give expression to that? If you believe that, I guarantee you we will not just elect Ted Strickland as the next Senator from Ohio, we will not just elect Hillary Clinton to be the next president of the United States, but we will secure a brighter future for the greatest nation on Earth.
And I`m going to be right there with you as a citizen of these United States. I`m going to work hard and I`m going to organize. I`m going to mobilize, and I`m going to make some phone calls and I`m going to knock on some doors. And I want you along there with me because we got to keep this thing going, because the journey`s not done yet. Because I`m still fired up. And I`m still ready to go.
Thank you, Ohio. God bless you. God bless the United States of America.
HAYES: All right. President Obama in Ohio tonight making the case very interestingly making the case not just against Donald Trump, which is obviously a case that Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama and other Democratic surrogates are making, but for the Democratic Party and against the Republican Party en masse. A long part of the speech about the fact that Rob Portman who is the incumbent Republican senator of Ohio, who is being challenged by former governor Ted Strickland, essentially just sat there and was fine with all the things that Donald Trump said, or done, or been alleged to have done.
Very interesting to see that since, particularly since we know the Clinton campaign is basically explicitly not made that argument. In fact, they have tried to kind of move the Republican Party away from Donald Trump.
We`re going to talk about what this all means and where we are in this race with less than 30 days to go when we come back.
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OBAMA: You`re not even consistent anymore. You claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate and stand by and endorse and campaign with?
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HAYES: Joining me now, Charlie Sykes, conservative radio talk show host, MSNBC contributor; and Josh Barro, senior editor at Business Insider, also MSNBC contributor; and back with me is Michelle Goldberg.
Josh, you`ve written about precisely this point. You actually just tweeted the other day about how you`ve given up on the Republican Party officially. This was the president doing something Hillary Clinton really hasn`t done,which is you all own this to the Republican Party. You all own it.
BARRO: Well, this is something you have been hearing from a lot of Republicans who did not support Donald Trump is how are you standing by and allowing this to happen? Yeah, I changed my voter registration on Tuesday. I`ve been a Republican since I was 18 years old. I mean, in some sense, it was years overdue. People who watch the show know I`m not a conservative.
But it was one thing to be in a party with people who I disagreed with on a large number of things. But these are people who allowed their party to be taken over by a fascist, and stood by, and decided that they would support him to be president anyway for reasons of careerism or just cowardice, naivety, that they could control him once he got in.
It`s really stupid and it`s really dangerous.
HAYES: Charlie, you know, the most interesting thing the president said to me was. He said something about the folks that knew what he`s saying is wrong, know that he isn`t up to the job, know that he is deficient in character and who`ve gone along for political reasons. He said I judge them more harshly than the people who believe in him. The people who believe in him, they believe in him. But the folks that know better and are just fecklessly doing this, those are the ones I judge most harshly.
SYKES: Yeah, well I actually I hate to say this, but I agree with him about that. The ones who actually -- that I talk to, who will say, you know, we know how horrible this is, we know what a disaster this is going to be, but we have to stick with him, or the ones that pretend to be outraged over one thing when they have swallowed everything.
SYKES: Look, this debate, this debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, you know, is Donald Trump a logical continuation of the Republican Party or a radical break? This is enormously consequential for the Republican Party because afterwards the Republican Party is going to have to try to say this did not represent us, you know, this does not represent our attitudes toward minorities, towards women, toward the protocols of the elders of Zion, that was that guy.
And yet every day that passes, and that they will not challenge him on this, well, they do own it and it`s harder and harder to do that.
I talked today with a high-ranking Republican who -- you can just sense the anguish. And he`s making the case, look, he knows this is going to be a disaster. He knows that there`s going to be a huge wrecking afterwards. But they`re actually now afraid to break with Trump.
SYKES: They`re afraid to basically draw the line because of what`s happening.
And so we`ve gone almost past panic to this anguish about what is this going to cost the party? Frankly, I think it`s starting to dawn on them, what is this going to cost them that they have to remain silent in the face of all this?
GOLDBERG: Well, one of the -- I mean, first of all, I think that there might be a rhetorical debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, but I`m pretty sure that Hillary Clinton views Donald Trump as a logical outgrowth of the Republican Party.
HAYES: Yes, it`s a tactical debate about whether to say that or not.
GOLDBERG: I mean, Hillary Clinton, you know, coined the phrase the vast right wing conspiracy. And in a lot of ways Donald Trump is the logical outgrowth of the vast right wing conspiracy. There`s been a systemic deranging of the Republican electorate. There`s been a systemic construction of a parallel reality that goes back to the beginning of Fox News and even beyond that, right?
There`s like an entirely separate set of facts, an entirely separate epistomological structure that the conservative leadership has kind of cooperated in the creation of. And now they have this base that`s stuck in it and they don`t understand why they can`t snap out it.
HAYES: And you can`t even say -- I mean, Charlie`s actually written and spoken about this, you can`t even say we all sort of joked about the unskewing of the polls in 2012, and to a certain extent there`s a little bit that people do that when they`re feeling bad but Josh, you can`t even - - I mean, it`s to the point where, like, all the polls are -- like, there`s nothing -- there`s no independent source of authority outside of the people that are already around Trump that you could point to to the folks that are in there to say look at this independence source of authority, this is not good or he`s going to lose.
BARRO: It`s completely arbitrary. And then again today The New York Times has a poll that has Trump up a point in Ohio and so suddenly the polls are worth citing again and he`s in Ohio waving around the poll that has him up 1 point over Hillary Clinton.
But, no, I mean, we see it -- it`s become farcical. We have had the armrest truthers today saying Donald Trump couldn`t have groped that woman on the airplane because you can`t move the armrests on first class seats.
And then CNN`s aviation editor has to go find pictures of airplane seats from 1980, TWA and Braniff and various airlines you, in fact, could move the seats. And then they say, well, how do you know he was on that airplane, and that airplane didn`t operate into New York.
It`s just -- it`s completely making up your own sense of facts. And I think Michelle is right, that it is living in this bubble has allowed the party to build this crazy paranoid world around so many of its voters that people who knew better in the party lost control and then decided that if they said anything, it wouldn`t do any good.
HAYES: Charlie, that`s what you`re agreeing with that.
SYKES: Some people did.
HAYES: Right. But a lot did.
SYKES: There are these decent voices who are saying that this is not what we were talking about, this is not who we are to be able to do all of that.
But there`s no question about it, this alternative reality bubble that you`re talking about, you know has really a dark side. And one of the things that I think is really disturbing right now, is as Donald Trump decides he`s going to lose ugly and he`s descending into this sort of paranoid conspiracies of international cabals out there, the corrupting factor he has on many sources who trust these sources in this bubble, that -- what he is doing to the populous out there...
HAYES: That`s right. Yes.
SYKES: Leaving him aside, what he`s doing. The number of people who now are accepting this, who now have normalized some of this bizarre conspiracy theory -- and I`m sorry to say, this kind of -- the bigotry that underlines a lot of all of this. And that frankly does worry me.
HAYES: Michelle, quickly.
GOLDBERG: Well, you know, I heard...
BARRO: A lot.
GOLDBERG: I heard Charlie Sykes say that`s not what we meant. But -- and I appreciate that. But this -- it was a member of the Bush administration that said we create our own reality.
GOLDBERG: And that was dismissive of the reality based community. And I think there has to be reckoning even among conservatives who -- who have distanced themselves from Donald Trump...
SYKES: Oh, I agree with that.
HAYES: This thing was built over a long period of time.
GOLDBERG: ...American politics.
HAYES: Charlie Sykes, Josh Barro, and Michelle Goldberg, thank you for that discussion. Appreciate it. That was great.
Lisa Bloom who represents one of the women who`s accused Donald Trump of sexual assault will be joining me to talk about why women don`t come forward and why the last 24 hours is a perfect illustration of why they don`t come forward. Stay with us.
HAYES: Obviously, we brought you that speech by President Obama in Ohio, so we gone through some breaks. We`re rejiggering things right now. But we do have Lisa Bloom, an attorney who represents many victims of -- survivors, I should say, of sexual assault -- to talk about what we`ve seen over the last 24 hours and why it`s so crucial to understand why it is that so many women don`t come forward. Stay with us.
HAYES: Throughout his career, Donald Trump has used threats, intimidation, and insults against his perceived enemies, whether they be critics, creditors, political opponents and most recently the women who accused him of sexual assault.
Today, in denying the assault allegations, Trump argued that one accuser was not credible stating, quote, "look at her."
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TRUMP: You take a look. Take a look. Look at her. Look at her words. You tell me what you think. I don`t think so. I don`t think so.
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HAYES: And here`s how Rush Limbaugh discussing the issue on his show.
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RUSH LIMBAUGH, CONSERVATIVE RADIO SHOW HOST: Because you know the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is one thing. You can do anything. The left will promote and understand and tolerate anything as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it`s perfectly fine, whatever it is.
But if the left ever senses and smells that there is no consent in part of the equation, then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left.
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HAYES: I believe they`re actually just called the police, not the rape police.
Joining me now Today Show legal analyst, Lisa Bloom who accused Trump of unwanted sexual advances in 1997. And I -- let`s start with Limbaugh because to me that`s actually a ery honest expression of the bewilderment of the sort of world of -- the sexual ethics that I think we have reached together as a society and culture, that this is -- that somehow consent is the magic key, which, yes, that`s the magic key.
LINDA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Does Rush Limbaugh not understand the difference between consensual sex and rape? And if he does not understand the difference, I think he needs to be confined somewhere and educated.
You know, this is absolutely appalling to me that he would say, consent! As if it`s this crazy left wing conspiracy rather than the result of decades of sexual assault victims really educating all of us on how painful and damaging being a victim is.
HAYES: You know, we have some folks saying why didn`t these women come forward sooner. We have some examples of why they may not have, Donald Trump saying about the woman in People magazine, look at her, which, you know, seems to say, look, why I want to be with her?
We`ve got Lou Dobbs who apologized for this, said it was an accident, but accidentally tweeting one of the accuser`s address and phone number.
I mean, there is -- what do you hear from folks you represent about why they didn`t come forward?
BLOOM: So, first of all, my client Jill Caharth (ph) did come forward in 1997 and filed a sex harassment case and nobody ever seems to want to talk to her about her on the Donald Trump side of things.
There`s another woman I`ve been talking to a great deal over the last week. She`s very, very scared. And every time Donald Trump has a rally and says, I`m going to sue people, that`s a big step backwards for women who want to come forward with their stories but who are very, very scared.
Listen, it`s hard to come forward against your sexual assaulter to begin with under any circumstances. Add to that it`s Donald Trump with unlimited resources and attorneys. Add to that that he`s got millions of followers who at times have been violent, and women are very, very scared. And I, as an attorney, have to give them both sides of the equation Here`s the risks, here`s the rewards.
I will also say it can be very empowering. And all my clients who have come forward against high-profile men have felt very empowered and very strong afterwards and I fear forward and a lot of these fears are irrational. I think the worst thing that Donald Trump is going to do if he comes forward is call you out in a rally or say something nasty in a tweet, and I think women should stand up.
HAYES: Well, we saw -- you know, a sort of adjacent variation of that, of course, is him railing against the New York Times. His lawyer sending a letter to the New York Times threatening a lawsuit. The New York Times sending back a sort of amazing letter back saying we can`t be guilty of libel, because your reputation is so terrible there`s no way we could possibly reduce it.
But you see the sort of -- this kind of bullying tactic. And you can imagine that maybe it`s been deployed in the past or effective in the past and not just with Donald Trump of course.
BLOOM: It`s very effective.
Listen, Bill Cosby had a long history of sicking his attorneys on women. And most of these women, you know, they don`t have a lot of money. They just want to have a quiet life. They`re going about their business. I mean, can you imagine taking on Donald Trump.
I would certainly tell anybody out there you need an attorney at your side. It doesn`t have to be me, but get an attorney because you can`t do it on your own and you need a lot of emotional support.
It`s scary but it`s also very gratifying, and I think we women have to stand up.
HAYES: All right. Lisa Bloom, thanks for your time tonight. Appreciate it.
That is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now.
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