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All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript 10/7/2016

Guests: Yousef Salaam, Joan Walsh, Matt MacKowiak, Charlie Sykes, Linda Chavez, Michelle Goldberg, Erin Gloria Ryan

Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: October 7, 2016 Guest: Yousef Salaam, Joan Walsh, Matt MacKowiak, Charlie Sykes, Linda Chavez, Michelle Goldberg, Erin Gloria Ryan

CHRIS HAYES: Tonight on "All In."


DONALD TRUMP: I`ll admit it. I did try and [ bleep ] her. She was married.

HAYES: Thirty-two days until election day. New bombshell audio of Donald Trump.

TRUMP: I don`t even wait. And when you`re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

HAYES: An extremely lewd conversation in 2005 about women.

DONALD TRUMP: Grab `em by the [ bleep ].

HAYES: What it means for the campaign and for Sunday`s debate.

TRUMP: They said, "Donald Trump is going to New Hampshire to practice for Sunday." Like they make you into a child.

HAYES: Then, Trump still thinks the Central Park Five are guilty. One of those now exonerated men joins me tonight.

Plus, the latest impacts from Hurricane Matthew and the U.S. publicly blames Russia for election-related hacking after rampant speculation.

DONALD TRUMP: It could also be lots of other people. It could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. Okay?

HAYES: When "All In" starts right now.


Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. We continue to track Hurricane Matthew, which spared south Florida the worst overnight, thanks to a slight shift in direction. Tonight the storm is continuing to make its way up the east coast. We will, of course, keep you updated throughout the hour.

But first, an absolute bombshell today. Audio from 2005 obtained by NBC News of a private conversation in which Donald Trump uses crude language to discuss his attempts to kiss, grope and have sex with women. In which Trump says, "I don`t even wait. And when you`re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."


We`re going to play you that audio in a moment, but first some context. In the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll taken --


-- before last week`s presidential debate, Trump was viewed negatively by 64 percent of women, including 53 percent who viewed him very negatively. At the debate, Hillary Clinton confronted Trump over his attacks on former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, who Trump had deemed, "Miss Piggy" over her weight, and forced her to exercise in front of a bunch of TV cameras.

Trump spent much of last week, then, in a public spat with Machado, at one point in a 5 a.m. tweet attacking her by encouraging people to, "Check out sex tape," even though no such sex tape exists.

It was just the latest chapter in Trump`s long history of being insulting and degrading to women in a race in which he is trying to defeat the first woman major party female nominee in U.S. history.


And so now to the tape. What you are about to see was recorded in 2005, a month after Trump`s marriage to his third and current wife, Melania. At the outset --


-- the audio you hear comes from inside the "Access Hollywood" bus you see in the video. "Access Hollywood" said in a statement it discovered the comments while reviewing its footage with Trump.

On the bus, at the beginning, the driver, Donald Trump and two of his employees, and then anchor of "Access Hollywood," Billy Bush, along with two production staffers. The two-person camera crew had gotten off to film Trump`s arrival on the set of the soap opera, "Days of Our Lives."


The tape opens with Trump discussing an attempt to have sex with a married woman, former "Access Hollywood" anchor, Nancy O`Dell. It continues just when Trump and Bush were on board as Trump discusses the soap opera actress who is waiting to escort him to the set, Arianne Zucker -- with Trump saying he can do what he wants with women he is attracted to because of his fame.

We have bleeped portions of this tape but be warned, it`s both crude and graphic.


DONALD TRUMP: The thing is, you know, she`s still very pretty. I moved on her, actually. She was down in Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I`ll admit it. I did try and (bleep) her. She was married.

BILLY BUSH: That`s huge news there.

TRUMP: No, no, Nancy. And I moved on her very heavily. In fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, "I`ll show you where they have some nice furniture."

I moved on her like a [ bleep ]. I couldn`t get there. And she was married. And all of a sudden I see her and she`s now got the big phony [ bleep ] and she`s totally changed her looks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Geez, your girl`s hot as (bleep) in the purple.

TRUMP: Whoa.

BUSH: Yes! The Donald has scored. Oh my man! Wait, wait, you`ve got to look.


TRUMP: That is very funny. Look at you. You are a [ bleep ].

BUSH: You`ve got to give the thumbs up.

TRUMP: That`s very funny. Maybe it`s a different one.

BUSH: No it`s her.

TRUMP: Yes, that`s her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I`m automatically attracted to beautiful -- and I just start kissing them. It`s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don`t even wait. And when you`re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

BUSH: Whatever you want.

TRUMP: Grab `em by the [ bleep ]. You can do anything.

BUSH: Yeah those legs. All I can see is the legs.

TRUMP: Oh it looks good.

BUSH: C`mon shorty.

TRUMP: Oh nice legs, huh?

BUSH: Get out of the way, honey.

TRUMP: Oh that`s good legs.

BUSH: Go ahead.

TRUMP: It`s always good if you don`t fall out of the bus. Like Ford, Gerald Ford, remember?

BUSH: Down below. Pull the handle.

TRUMP: Hello. How are you? Hi.

ARIANNE ZUCKER: Mr. Trump, how are you?

TRUMP: Nice seeing you. Terrific.

ZUCKER: Nice to meet you.

TRUMP: You know Billy Bush.

ZUCKER: How are you?

BUSH: Hello, nice to see you. How you doing Arianne?

ZUCKER: I`m doing very well, thank you. Are you ready to be a soap star?

TRUMP: We`re ready. Let`s go. Make me a soap star.

BUSH: How about a little hug for The Donald? He just got off the bus.

ZUCKER: Would you like a little hug, darling?

TRUMP: Absolutely. Melania said this was okay.

BUSH: How about a hug for The Bush? He just got off the bus. There we go. Excellent. Well, you`ve got a nice co-star here.

TRUMP: Good.

ZUCKER: Yes, absolutely.

TRUMP: After you.


HAYES: Trump released a statement in response to the tape.


"This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course, not even close. I apologize if anybody was offended."

In a tweet concerning the audio, Hillary Clinton said simply, "This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president."

Billy Bush also released a statement. "Obviously I`m embarrassed and ashamed. It`s no excuse, but this happened 11 years ago. I was younger, less mature and acted foolishly in playing along. I`m very sorry."


Tomorrow, Trump is scheduled to make his first ever campaign appearance with House Speaker, Paul Ryan --


-- pictured in this tweet from today, signing a bill to protect the rights of sexual assault survivors.


In a statement this evening, the chair of the Republican National Committee, Chairman Reince Priebus said --


"No woman should ever be discussed in these terms or talked about in this manner, ever."

Joining me now, MSNBC contributor, conservative radio talk show host --


-- Charlie Sykes, former Reagan official Linda Chavez, chair of the Center for Equal Opportunity.

And Ms. Chavez, I guess I`ll just begin with you in responding to this.

LINDA CHAVEZ: Well, I have said from the moment he announced that this man can be described in one word, and that one word is "vile."

You know, and frankly, if I were Paul Ryan, I would cancel the event. Part of the problem -- the reason that Donald Trump has been able to get away with what he`s gotten away with -- is that he`s got the Reince Priebuses of the world. He`s got the Paul Ryans, the Bill Bennetts, you know, the groups around him that support him and give him cover, when he`s just a disgusting man and if he had any kind of dignity, if he had any kind of courage, he would step aside and let Mike Pence run for president because Mike Pence is at least qualified and Donald Trump is not.

HAYES: Charlie, what do you think about -- I mean, Ryan has tried to play this kind of arm`s length game. Obviously, Paul Ryan in Wisconsin, which is where you are. He`s tried to play this arm`s length game. He didn`t endorse, then he did endorse but not in sort of stirring terms.


Now he`s campaigning with him and he`s campaigning with him tomorrow.

CHARLIE SYKES: Yes, the Republicans of Wisconsin right now are at Defcon 1. I just got a text from a very prominent Republican who said, "I am in tears over this."

At this point it`s really hard for me to imagine this is going to go ahead. That you would have Donald Trump on the stage with Paul Ryan and Scott Walker and Ron Johnson and every other prominent Republican.

I mean, they`re trying to figure out right now, you know, is this going to be same old, same old where nothing ever matters and it`s going to blow over? Or is it possible that this is career ending -- to stand next to a guy who is talking about sexual assault, and find some way to do that.

So I`m guessing that right now there`s a tremendous amount of scrambling. They`re not going to cancel this event. This is a major event for Republicans in Wisconsin. But I certainly would not be surprised if Donald Trump suddenly realized that maybe he should spend some time doing some debate prep rather than coming to Elkhorn, Wisconsin tomorrow. This is a real test.

HAYES: So do you think that -- if it went down, if a cancellation happened, it would be Trump not going as opposed to Ryan pulling out?

SYKES: Yes. Right. Ryan`s not going to pull out. This is the first district for (INAUDIBLE). This is a major event in Paul Ryan`s own district. And the reality is that this was something that was brokered by Reince Priebus, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee. And he`s going to have to fix this because he got all of his loved ones together and here comes Donald Trump and he`s got a suicide vest on. But he`s going to take out everybody.

So the only way to solve this is for Donald Trump to figure out some other thing to do other than come to Wisconsin tomorrow. And I will tell you, people around here will be very, very surprised if this takes place tomorrow given that tape that you just played.


HAYES: You know, Linda, Charlie just mentioned this idea. Will this blow over like other things have? And obviously, we`ve been through a variety of news cycles in terms of things that Donald Trump has said or done or proposed that have been head snapping or have inspired a tremendous amount of offense or revulsion.

And, you know, he`s still standing. I guess what I think is -- this idea that he can be felled by something I think has been proven not true. But at this point he`s behind. And I don`t think this news cycle could help.

CHAVEZ: No. Chris, it really isn`t about him stepping aside. And I think that you`re right -- that this event should not go on. But it`s going to have to be the party that steps away from Donald Trump. Donald Trump is never going to give up this quest. He`s not going to step aside as I think he should

HAYES: But they won`t do it. I mean, it`s been an amazing thing to watch. They won`t do it.

CHAVEZ: But if they want to save the Republican party -- there are people like me who have been faithful Republicans. I am a hard-nosed conservative.

HAYES: Oh, I know.

CHAVEZ: Across the board. And I cannot abide this man. And if this man is going to represent the Republican party, then I`m not going to want to have anything to do with it. I can tell you that I have these conversations all the time with my fellow Never-Trumpers. We want no part of a Republican party that`s exemplified by Donald Trump.

SYKES: That`s why tomorrow`s breaking -- that`s why "Watch What Happens," because this will be a breaking point. This will be the distancing, you know, the recognition that this is going to be hurting among, you know, women, among men who know women. Among evangelical Christians. And anybody --

HAYES: Humans, probably not (INAUDIBLE) humans.

SYKES: And anybody who is emotionally aged over nine.

HAYES: Yes, exactly.


HAYES: Well,so here`s the thing. Obviously there`s been -- and I have to say, I mean, my own personal sort of hierarchy of these things, there`s probably 50 things worse he said or proposed than this, which I agree with this characterization of it is vile.

There`s sort of conversations that happen -- I mean, I guess at one point what does panic do? Right? The only way to transmute panic would be some sort of tactical shift essentially away from the top of the ticket from the RNC. Is that right, Charlie?

SYKES: Yes, and I think that you might start seeing that very very soon. You do have these down ballot races. So the conversation is going to switch very, very quickly to how do we save everybody else? How do we make sure that the stink gets washed off of the people who are closest to Donald Trump, but it doesn`t, you know, cost the Senate and the House of Representatives?

And you are going to see that in a very, very short period of time, I think. This is, again -- will this be different? I don`t know. But the reality is that all of the crudity, all of the misogyny, all the infantile nature of this guy is just out there for display. And I don`t know how any politician stands next to him and justifies in any way saying, "Okay, yes. The man is talking about sexually assaulting women, groping women, but we should still make him the president of the United States."

HAYES: All right. Charlie Sykes and Linda Chavez. Thanks for making some time tonight. Appreciate it.

CHAVEZ: Thank you.

HAYES: Joining me now, Michelle Goldberg, columnist for Slate, who is out with a new piece on the Trump audio headlined, "Our degrading election gets the catchphrase it deserves." What do you do with this? I mean --

MICHELLE GOLDBERG: Okay, so I`m laughing.

HAYES: But we`re laughing because it`s sort of gallows humor. Because it`s just like -- how bad and degraded can this election get?

GOLDBERG: I`m glad that Charlie Sykes used the phrase "sexual assault" over and over again.

HAYES: I agree.

GOLDBERG: Because I think the point is not that Donald Trump said something lewd or is misogynistic --

HAYES: Or that he tried to have sex with a married woman, like frankly I don`t care --

GOLDBERG: You know, actually I don`t care about that, but I want to say that if he wants to bring up infidelity at the debate, which he`s been threatening to do -- then that I think becomes relevant. But other than that, yes, we know that Donald Trump is no paragon of marital faithfulness.

But the fact is, is that he`s talking here about sexual assault. There`s a lawsuit that charges him with sexual assault and the details sound a lot like what he is basically bragging about doing here. You know, both in terms of kind of grabbing somebody against her will and also this kind of very dogged pursuit of a married woman.

You know, come on, cheat on your husband. I mean, if you read the details of this lawsuit, it sounds like his M.O. It kind of confirms that this is his M.O. And at the time, Ivanka Trump -- not at the time but later on when this became public -- Ivanka Trump defended her father by saying, "I know my father," and, "He`s not a groper."

Now we know that Donald Trump actually says that he is indeed a groper.

HAYES: Right. In fact he appears to be a proud groper.

GOLDBERG: Right. And so this becomes not just about Donald Trump says gross things on tape. I think that this becomes an urgent question to ask at the debate on Sunday. What did you mean when you said grab them by the -- I`m not allowed to say this on MSNBC.

HAYES: Right.

GOLDBERG: You know, how many times have you done that? There`s a whole question -- it`s not just about sex anymore. It`s about predation.

HAYES: Let`s also remember that one of the men who is advising Donald Trump is Roger Ailes.

GOLDBERG: -- is Roger Ailes.

HAYES: I mean, his entire M.O. as alleged in lawsuits which so far he and his lawyers have denied and I should be very clear. But as alleged in Gretchen Carlson`s lawsuit as alleged by on-the-record and off-the-record sources, over a variety of decades, was essentially using his position of power to do precisely what Donald Trump talks about doing.

GOLDBERG: Right, and Donald Trump is there bragging that this is kind of what he`s able to use --

HAYES: They`ll let you do anything.

GOLDBERG: -- power to do. And so, you know, I think that doesn`t matter where maybe this is the election that nothing matters. But on the one -- you know, he`s already losing. Right?

HAYES: And he`s had just about the worst week of his campaign.

GOLDBERG: So there`s the sort of like rats from a sinking ship element to this in that, you know, people who maybe would have been able to defend him if he was at 48 percent in the polls would be less likely to defend him. Also, when he needs to be able to muster some degree of his very fragile self- control for debate that is coming up on Sunday.

HAYES: What do you think about this like -- Bill Clinton -- like, I mean it`s so clear that they think, they somehow think that the invocation of Bill Clinton is just universally exculpating. That it`s like some magical force field in which as soon as you say Bill Clinton and women, you can`t be touched by anything.

GOLDBERG: Well, I think that`s been kind of -- he sees that as, like, the nuclear option. Right? He kind of -- every so often, "I didn`t go there. But I could have --"

HAYES: Even in the first debate. "I could have said something." Right.

GOLDBERG: Right. And I think -- both they think it`s this sort of alibi where they think it proves kind of liberal hypocrisy.

HAYES: Right.

GOLDBERG: I also think that because Donald Trump is such a kind of -- such a bone-deep sexist, I think that he thinks that it discredits Hillary Clinton to be cheated on by Bill Clinton more than it discredits somebody to cheat, right? Because it`s all kind of about dominance and cuckolding.

I mean I think it`s interesting that Trump who is such a, you know, sort of -- you need a primatologist to understand a lot of his displays of dominance. His focus on married women, I think, is interesting because in some ways it`s less about eroticism and attraction and more about getting over on some other guy.

HAYES: Yes, yes. Michelle Goldberg. Thanks for being with me. Appreciate it.

Coming up, more on the bombshell Donald Trump tape out tonight. We`ll talk about Trump`s problem with female voters next. Plus, the other Donald Trump outrage of the day. More than a decade after they were exonerated, the Republican nominee for president says he still believes the Central Park five are guilty.

Yusef Salaam, one of those men who wrongly served five years in prison joins me to respond, ahead.


TRUMP: Yes, that`s her, with the gold. I`ve got to use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I`m automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them. It`s like a magnet. And when you`re a star they let you do it.

BUSH: Do whatever you want.

TRUMP: Grab her by the (bleep). I can do anything.


HAYES: Donald Trump`s misogyny as exhibited there is not some kind of anomaly. Consider that in the days following the first debate --


-- Trump spent considerable effort maligning Alicia Machado, the Miss Universe contestant, who he had disparaged decades before and who Hillary Clinton raised as an example of his bad treatment of women.


It was just a week ago (INAUDIBLE) the press released a detailed account of Trump`s reportedly lewd and sexist time as the star of "The Apprentice."


One former crew member telling AP, "We were in the boardroom one time figuring out who to blame for the task and he just stopped in the middle and pointed to someone and said, "You`d F her, wouldn`t you? I`d F her. Come on, wouldn`t you?"

The Trump campaign issued a general denial to that AP report, and Vanity Fair`s editor Graydon Carter recently wrote about a 1993 White House Correspondents Association dinner in which Trump`s behavior toward women at his table was so bad -- talking openly about their breasts and legs -- that a Swedish model was nearly brought to tears.

"He is," she told me, in words that seemed familiar, "the most vulgar man I have ever met."


Indeed, as our next guest wrote, "The story of Donald Trump`s misogyny is so old --


-- that if it were a person, Donald Trump probably would not date it."

Joining me now, Erin Gloria Ryan, senior editor (ph) at the Daily Beast --


-- who wins for lead of the week.

ERIN RYAN: Thank you.

HAYES: I should note that piece was written before today.

RYAN: It was. It was written, like, over the course of this week. It wasn`t a today thing.

HAYES: Right. So I guess one thing I would say, is -- two things. One is -- this is not an isolated incident.

RYAN: No, not at all.

HAYES: Right. It`s not like -- I mean, there are people -- people can be caught on tape saying a thing that reflects poorly on them that is not necessarily a deep character trait. But it`s hard to make that argument here.


RYAN: Right. So Donald Trump has this decades-long record -- on the record of women talking about what a creep he can be to them. And it`s like we just sort of glossed over it until now when he`s admitting it. How many women have to say that somebody`s a creep before we believe them? We had to wait until Donald Trump actually admitted that he was a creep before everyone was like, "Oh, he`s a creep."

HAYES: This just literally, popping into the timeline here -- Brad (ph) Jaffe (ph) -- Mike Barbaro of The New York Times was told by Miss Utah of 1997, "He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought oh my God, gross. He was married to Marla Maples. I think there were a few other girls he kissed on the mouth. I was like, wow, that`s inappropriate."

Mr. Trump disputed this saying he`s reluctant to kiss strangers on the lips. But Miss Taggart said it was not an isolated incident.

RYAN: Well, he did say he`s like magnet.

HAYES: Right. (INAUDIBLE) like a magnet.

RYAN: A kissing magnet. He just can`t stop himself from kissing.

HAYES: You had this whole piece --


-- which was great, about sort of this idea that he`s like a pickup artist.

RYAN: Yes.

HAYES: Like, what -- what (INAUDIBLE)?

RYAN: Yes. So, basically pickup artistry -- if you don`t spend time in the garbage dumps of the internet like I do. It`s a philosophy that men kind of embody -- where it`s like if they bully women, push them around, if they`re rude to them, they can eventually kind of dominate and take from them what they want.

And it`s not necessarily something that Trump subscribes to, but he just kind of lives it.

HAYES: Right.

RYAN: He instinctively lives it. You know, when he told -- when he talked about Heidi Klum not being a 10 -- like it feels like a lifetime ago. A lifetime of Donald Trump misogyny ago. When he talked about Heidi Klum not being a 10. That`s a neg (ph).

HAYES: Right.

RYAN: Whereas putting someone down so they want to impress a person more.


HAYES: So there`s this whole sort of, like, yes, in the garbage dumps of the internet, right? Like this sort of bizarre very sad and pathetic sort of, like, ideology of male domination called, you know, "the pickup artistry."

RYAN: Yes.

HAYES: I feel like there`s also this crazy ideological substrate of this whole thing, which is like -- there`s also this sort of cultural breaking point about what is okay and what`s not okay. And I find it gratifying to see everyone -- all these Republicans being like -- "Yeah, not cool."

RYAN: Yes. It is really interesting to see that. It was really interesting to hear in the first part of the show hearing Charlie Sykes use the words "sexual assault" multiple times in reference to what Donald Trump was bragging about doing, which is sexual assault. If you grab somebody who doesn`t want to be grabbed in a sexual way, you are sexually assaulting them. And that`s not something that you can brag about. It`s not even something -- it goes beyond old school sexism. It`s like old school -- like cartoon bully sexism --

HAYES: Right.

RYAN: -- beyond what`s normal, beyond whatever was acceptable, beyond whatever should be acceptable.

HAYES: There`s also in terms of, like, the drama of this election, of course, this is who -- I mean Rebecca Traister once wrote this great line, like, "Of course, of course, the first female. If a woman can be president, of course the person she will have to vanquish -- the person she`ll have to get past is this person."

RYAN: Right. And what`s really interesting is despite all of this, despite the fact that this is like the most open secret in the history of open secrets.

HAYES: Right, we all know this is how he made his name in his 30s.

RYAN: He`s still polling at 40-plus percent. So that -- for whatever reason, that is not enough to disqualify him for 40-plus percent of the population.

HAYES: And let`s also be clear here. About the gender gap and the crosstabs. He is winning men by a healthy margin.

RYAN: Not so much college educated men as the ones without college degrees, but guys without college degrees love him. I think it`s partly because he is an aspirational figure to them. He treats women how the way they wish they could treat women and still be successful. He represents the success they wish they had. He represents the way that they wish they could act, the way that they feel they deserve to be treated.

HAYES: The sort of conjured, like, national id -- a certain kind of person who thinks a certain kind of way about what it is to be a powerful, dominant man.

RYAN: Sure. He is aspirationally a jerk.

HAYES: And women voters are not buying it. Weirdly enough.

RYAN: No, it`s weird that women would not be into somebody talking about grabbing their private parts because it`s fun.

HAYES: Can`t wait `til that comes up. Ryan, it`s great to have you here.

RYAN: Thank you.

HAYES: OK, still ahead, battering Florida. Hurricane Matthew takes aim at Georgia. We`ll get the latest forecast, next.

Hurricane Matthew is brutalizing parts of the Florida coast today, even though it, thankfully, due to just a few little wobbles, did not reach its catastrophic potential. The hurricane has now deteriorated to a still- powerful category 2 storm, and is expected to impact Georgia, South Carolina, and even North Carolina, with storm surges or heavy rain. It could still possibly make landfall.

Joining me now, MSNBC meteorologist Bill Karins. And Bill, you and I spoke last night about just how important those little wobbles in the trajectory were and how much damage and human tragedy was on the line. And it looks like we basically got lucky.

BILL KARINS: For a lot of the east coast of Florida, especially south of Daytona Beach, they did. But north of Daytona Beach it was bad and it still is bad for those areas from Daytona Beach northward. It`s still a healthy storm as you mentioned. Still has 110 mile-per-hour winds that`s moving north. It looks impressive on the satellite imagery.

So let`s go over to the radar. And we`ll show you what we`re dealing with, the latest in the storm. As of the Georgia coastline, you are very fortunate that you are at low tide right now because the storm is as close as it`s going to get. The water is already running high. The fear is from Savannah up to Charleston, up to the Myrtle Beach areas. We`re going to be approaching high tide at 1:00 a.m. in the morning when the storm is closest to you. And that`s when the highest storms will be right over the top of you.

They are now saying in the Charleston area, that this will likely be the second worst storm surge in your city`s history after Hurricane Hugo in the mid `80s. And that is a big powerful statement. And that`s how nasty it could be in the middle of the night in the dark. People don`t have power and the water is going to be rising quickly. I mean, just picture that. Those people that didn`t evacuate are going to go through that in the middle of the night tonight. That`s scary stuff.

So here`s where the center of the eye is right now. It`s still moving to the north. And it is going to be a close call for all of our friends in the Savannah area and also in the Charleston area.

Let me give you the little tracker here to show you exactly how far away we are from that northern eye wall. That northern eye wall is about 80 to about 75 miles away. You don`t want to go through this. The winds in this are stronger than the winds we saw all day today in areas of Florida. And that`s going to be close to Charleston in the middle of the night.

And also, Chris, the storm surge -- this five to seven feet easily in this area. Some spots could get us up as nine feet and that would be historic. So again, I would say that maybe half the damage has been done. We`re only halfway through this storm. We still could get a landfall, as you mentioned, later on tonight.

HAYES: All right. Bill Karins, thank you very much for that.

Still ahead, how will the Trump bombshell take play at Sunday night`s debate? But first, despite the DNA evidence exonerating them, Donald Trump still insists the Central Park Five are guilty. One of them will be here to respond, next.



TRUMP: You better believe that I hate the people that took this girl and raped her brutally. You better believe it. And it`s more than anger, it`s hatred. And I want society to hate them.


HAYES: In New York City in the late `80s and early `90s, the case of the Central Park Jogger was notorious. In April of 1989, a white woman who had been jogging was found brutally raped and beaten nearly to death in Central Park. Not long after the woman was discovered, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager were charged and jailed for the crime.

The gruesome case whipped up an unbelievable hysteria throughout the city. The mesia ginning up fears with headlines about wolfpacks and roving gangs and Wilding (ph).

But the five boys, ages 14 to 16, had falsely confessed to the crime after hours of police interrogations. They were later tried, convicted an sentenced to prison, but vindication for the group known as the Central Park Five came in 2002 when a convicted murderer and rapist confessed to the crime and that confession was then corroborated by DNA.

The prison sentences of the Central Park Five were overturned but by that time they had already served between five and 13 years. In 2014, the men were awarded a $40 million settlement from New York City. The story that gripped the city for years came to a close, and yet one Manhattan resident`s obsession with the case continues to this day.

Just weeks after the crime was committed in 1989, Donald Trump took out a full page ad in four New York newspapers advocating the return of the death penalty. And when the city awarded the men a settlement in 2014, Trump wrote an editorial in The Daily News calling the settlement a disgrace.

And now, even now, as the presidential nominee for the Republican Party, Trump hasn`t allowed science or evidence to change his initial reaction to the case. Just this week, Trump said he still considers the men, again, exonerated by the criminal justice system and by DNA, scientific evidence, guilty, issuing a statement saying, quote, they admitted they were guilty. The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. The woman, so badly injured, will never be the same.

And joining me now Yousef Salaam. He is one of the men wrongly convicted in the Central Park Jogger case, alter exonerated by DNA evidence.

And Mr. Salaam, first long -- how old were you when you were arrested and how much time did you spend in prison?

YOUSEF SALAAM, WRONGFULLY CONVICTED: I was 15 years old when this happened. And I`ve spent about seven years in prison, close to seven years.

HAYES: Before we get to Donald Trump, I mean, what was it like to go into the system at that age and spend your formative adolescent early adult years in prison for something you did not do?

SALAAM: Close to seven years.

HAYES: Before we get to Donald Trump, I mean what was it like to go into the system at that age and spend your formative, adolescent early adult years in prison for something you did not do?

SALAAM: You know, to go to prison for a crime like that, that`s the absolute worst crime that you can go to prison for. I mean, the only crime that trumps rape is child molestation. And I remember early on they had these polls that they were doing. They kept saying, you know, what are the inmates going to do when these guys get to prison? You know, untold horrors were mentioned. And we were scared to death.

This was a situation where we had to grow up very, very quickly. We had to figure out how we were going to survive and fend for our lives. It was the most horrific event I could have ever imagined.

HAYES: And so what is your reaction to a man who is trying to be the most powerful person in the world, arguably, who is on the precipice of possibly being president saying now in the last days showing a statement that you, despite all evidence, that you are guilty?

SALAAM: You know, when I think about what he represents -- and -- I mean, first of all, what he represents to me is very, very powerful and unfortunate. This blight, this thing that he did to us calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty, I always think that had this been the 1950s, we would have become modern-day Emmett Tills (ph). They had published our names, our phone numbers and our addresses in New York City`s newspapers.

And so what was happening was people began to call us at any time of the day or night. You know, threaten us with hate mail and things of that nature. So, by Donald Trump taking out this ad, what I think is that he would be calling to see if there was somebody from the dark enclaves of society that would kick in our doors, drag us from our homes and hang us from trees in Central Park, that`s the kind of sick type of justice that they were looking for.

HAYES: To be clear, this ad which ran, that he paid for was basically calling for the death penalty for the assailants in this case who at that point had been identified as juveniles, you among them, basically saying we should kill these children.

SALAAM: Right. Right. You know, he wanted us dead.

You know, when you look at the videotapes that he made after -- the statements the he made after that is very, very clear that he said that he wanted to hate us. He wanted us to be afraid. And by us, he was talking directly about the Central Park Five.

What he was talking about, also, the black and brown people that we look that are being shot down. All about a country today. You know, if he`s saying that he wants to be the law and order president. And he`s talkinga bout policies and practices that are being ruled unconstitutional and unjust, that being stop and frisk in New York City, and he`s talking about he wants to bring this type of stuff back. I mean, I`m scared for my life.

What happens if this person actually becomes president? Is he going to go gunning for the Central Park Five because he wanted to murder us back in 1989 and he wants to do maybe the same thing to happen to us today? I mean, when we won our lawsuit, one of the things that he said was this was the biggest heist in New York City history. He said that we were going to be rich rapists. And then all of a sudden now we have these video footage of him being produced of him doing all these -- you know, I just tweeted prior to getting on, I said this is a dirty old man, you know, definitely not somebody that we want to be a president of these United States.

The type of issues that he presents overwhelmingly causes us, and we need to push far, far away from him.

HAYES: Mr. Salaam, let me -- quickly, do you feel he owes you an apology?

SALAAM: I feel he owes us an apology. Do I feel like we will ever get it? I think if i held my breath and waited for him to give us an apology, I would probably pass out and turn blue in the face.

HAYES: I think you`re right probably about that. Yusef Salaam, thank you so much, sir, for your time tonight. I really appreciate it.

SALAAM: Well, thank you.

HAYES: Still ahead, we are just 48 hours from the next presidential debate. How the bombshell tape of Trump`s lewd comments (inaudible) will impact that night. But first tonight`s thing One, Thing Two coming up next.


HAYES: Thing One tonight, for the past few months there have been reports that U.S. officials were eyeing Russian hackers for a series of cyber attacks aimed at trying to disrupt U.S. elections. In August, the FBI even cautioned state boards of election against hackers after two election board websites were breached. The idea that a foreign power like Russia could, through subterfuge, influence a U.S. election was seriously considered after the Democratic National Committee was hacked in July.

Now, Donald Trump didn`t totally rule out the possibility the Russian government was behind these hacks. When the topic of cyber security was brought up at last month`s presidential debate, he simply had some other theories about who might be behind it that he wanted to share.


TRUMP: As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else and perhaps we`re not. I don`t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She`s saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don`t -- maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China, could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK?


HAYES: When we come back, we`ll tell you why Donald Trump`s theory that some guy weighing 400 pounds was responsible for hacking the DNC is looking a little thin.

Thing Two in 60 seconds.



HAYES: I don`t think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She`s saying Russia, Russia, Russia. But I don`t -- maybe it was. I mean, it could Russia, but it could also be China. It also could be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK? You don`t know who broke in to DNC.


HAYES: Well, actually, at least the U.S. government says it does know who broke into the DNC. Earlier today, the Obama administration -- and this is a big deal -- officially accused Russia, the Russian government of carrying out a wide ranging campaign to interfere with the 2016 elections, including by hacking the computers of the Democratic National Committee and other political officials. The administration also blamed Moscow for the hack of the Democratic Congressional campaign committee and the subsequent leak of private email addresses and cell phone numbers of Democratic lawmakers.

Let`s not forget U.S. Intelligence officials are looking into whether one of Donald Trump`s foreign policy advisers has opened up private communication with senior Russian officials.

Although, we`ll have to wait until Sunday`s debate to see if Trump has any 400 pound theories about that.


HAYES: In the wake of Donald Trump`s fairly catastrophic performance in the first debate and his total meltdown afterwards trump has watched his standing in the race deteriorate over the past week and a half and that was of course before today. He`s now five points behind Hillary Clinton in a four-way race, according in a new poll of national poll of likely voters from Quinnipiac. It was two-and-a-half weeks ago the same poll had him trailing by a single point.

Given those stakes, the Republican nominee cannot afford a repeat of the last debate when he faces Clinton for round two on Sunday night with questions about today`s tape. His team has been insisting he`ll be prepared better this time around, but as The Washington Post reports, the candidate himself is still resisting their efforts.

Reportedly Trump flat-out refused to participate in mock sessions saying such play acting was annoying. Instead, according to The Post he held informal meetings with his top advisers at Trump Tower and his New Jersey golf club in which RNC chairman Reince Priebus would pepper him with rapid fire questions while New Jersey Governor Chris Christie played the role of Trump`s antagonist, and others talked through scenarios, body language, and political points.

With Trump refusing to actually rehearse, his campaign had to get creative about preparing him for Sunday turning an event in New Hampshire last night into something of a dry run. Billed as a town hall just like the debate it featured Trump in a much more intimate setting away from the big stadium rallies that he so prefers, taking questions without the comfort of a podium.

There was a big giveaway from the moderator, talk radio host Howie Carr.


HOWIE CARR, TALK SHOW HOST: I have a clock down on the floor there that says two minutes.


CARR: Now, do you want me to call you when it goes over two minutes?

TRUMP: I`ll tell you what, I`ll make you a deal, if I`m doing well, don`t call me. If I`m answering the question poorly, please call me immediately.


HAYES: Nevertheless, the Trump insisted this was not debate prep.


TRUMP: They were saying this is practice for Sunday. This isn`t practice. This has nothing to do with Sunday. We`re just here because we just wanted to be here.

They said Donald Trump is going to New Hampshire to practice for Sunday. This has nothing to do with Sunday, and it`s like they make you into a child.

This has -- I love the people of New Hampshire. I`m here for one reason. I love the people of New Hampshire. I said I was going to be here and I`m here.


HAYES: That`s patently false on the face of it.

But in the end, it`s not clear last night did anything at all to prepare Trump for Sunday night`s showdown. How his big public debate prep failed, next.



TRUMP: John Harwood was the worst moderator out of all the debates we had.

Now, a lot of bad hombres are in Mosul, the leaders of ISIS, they think. Well, Nate Silver has been -- he didn`t predict us in the primary and he had never called a loser before. A lot of Hispanics, Latinos they like to be called in that area, you know that, right? Hispanics and Latinos.

That`s why a guy like John King has stayed in the same position for like how long has he been at CNN? I used to say he will some day be an anchor. Guess what, he`s still doing the maps.


HAYES: Donald Trump honing his discipline and message ahead of the debate on Sunday. Joining me now, Texas-based Republican strategist Matt MacKowiak, MSNBC political analyst Joan Walsh, national affairs correspondent for The Nation.

All right, Matt, let me start with you. I mean, obviously this is going to come up in the debate, today`s tape. I`m seeing -- I mean, Mark Kirk, senator from Illinois wants to engage emergency RNC rules to find a replacement. Mitt Romney`s called on him, I think, to step down. I mean, there`s a sort of avalanche happening. I think the timing couldn`t be worse.

What`s he going to do at the debate when this is brought up?

MATT MACKOWIAK, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Yeah, for a guy that`s made himself to appear to be unwilling to ever apologize.

HAYES: Right.

MACKOWIAK: This is a moment that now forces him to make that choice. You know, it reminds me of Richard Ben Kramer`s seminal work from 1992 about the 1988 election "What it Takes" which is one of the most fantastic books about politics. That book shows that all candidates, particlarly candidates for president, end up having to do the one thing they refuse to do in order to win.

And I don`t think Trump can win now. I thought he had a 10 or 15 percent chance a few days ago, I now think that`s zero. He has to show contrition, sincerity. He has to show that this is not who he is. And that tape is really damning.

And so obviously they need be prepared for this question, they need to be prepared for several questions. And they can`t get defensive about this. Honestly, he has to find a way to move past this before the debate because I think tomorrow`s going to be worse than today.

HAYES: Well, particularly because there`s going to be a swirl of press on the Ryan event and if it goes forward. And -- I mean, you even sitting senator who we should be clear said he`s...

JOAN WALSH, THE NATION: He has always said that he`s not supporting him.

HAYES: And he`s running in Illinois.

But to Matt`s point, you know, we were talking about this early this morning. I said the one thing -- if there was a plot twist in the second debate, the one thing that would be genuinely shocking would be for him to come out and be totally contrite.

For him to just say, look, I`ve said a lot of things that were bad. I run my mouth. To be sort of self-aware and contrite, I think would genuinely make feel like, whoa, wait a second.

WALSH: We didn`t know he had it in him.

But he doesn`t have it in him. I don`t believe he has -- that`s...

HAYES: The guy is insisting the Central Park Five are guilty because otherwise he would have to apologize.

WALSH: right.

So, I mean, he is unable to apologize. He`s also unable to prepare. I mean, I just saw that Washington Post story along with the whole town hall prep last night. The man cannot admit he doesn`t know things or that he`s not good at things. And preparing or doing mock debates would be an admission that he has something to learn.

HAYES: The other thing that mattered there was him like sort of -- them trying to convince him he did bad, but him touting still like the click, the fan click polls. And I just thought to myself, there`s a bazillion different reasons that people don`t think Donald Trump should be president, but ou should understand statistical sampling. Like, that`s like actually a pretty important basic thing to get.

MACKOWIAK: Yeah, right. I mean, it`s the reason why every spoonful of soup tastes the same is the reason (inaudible) polling works.

Right, OK. Can we understand that concept? It`s pretty basic.

HAYES: You got to get it to him.

MACKOWIAK: Right, we got to get it to him.

But look, I will say this, I know people who know Donald Trump, who have been with him privately, who have worked with him over the last 20 years, particularly in the last couple of years. And I will tell you the one thing I continue to hear is he`s different in private than he is in public. We`ve all hear that.

And so I just wonder if a town hall type setting allows him to be more of a private Donald Trump than a public Donald Trump.

HAYES: The conventional wisdom is that town hall will favor her, because she`s done more of them, but I actually do think it favors him for this season: it diffuses his attention. The last attention -- the last debate it was saying things, he was getting so riled up by her.

That actually having interruptions of other people diffuses it, right, like that he can`t -- I mean, I think.

WALSH: He can`t and she can`t.

I mean, and also she -- she`s faced some tough questions. She`s good at town halls, but I remember some things in the primary where the young man who said my generation doesn`t trust you, tell us..

HAYES: She can get defensive, too.

WALSH: She can get defensive, exactly.

HAYES: And she`s going to face -- we should say this, so Buzzfeed today publishes an email found on WikiLeaks, John Podesta, which is internal staff memo about here are all the things from those transcripts of the speeches you gave to banks and Goldman Sachs that could be used against us. Sort of a self (inaudible).

Now, the clinton campaign is saying we will not confirm stolen documents, so the authenticity is yet to be vouched for, but they look plausible.

Two big things in there. It says telling banks you need to have a private and public position on policy, that you need to sort of like work. And also my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders. We have to resist protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market, access and to trade. Again, we cannot vouch independently for the legitimacy of these, although they don`t seem implausible. She`s going to have -- I mean, trump is going to go crazy on that.

WALSH: The open borders thing.


WALSH: Although, from the left, it also -- except for the word markets, I suppose, it does sound like this one world vision.

HAYES: Yes, but in some ways it`s sort of the thing -- it is the caricature Donald Trump has been making of her.

WALSH: Of her, absolutely, that she`s sort of this fuzzy headed liberal who wants us all.

HAYES: Right, globalist.

WALSH: Globalist -- to have no country. We would have no country.

So, yeah, this could be tough for her. I think the rest of it, though -- I don`t know, she comes out praising single-payer.

HAYES: That`s true. She does.

WALSH: For the left, that`s an interesting revelation, too, although I Trump could use that to paint her as a socialist.

HAYES: They also -- I mean, that was interesting to me, they signaled today -- I don`t think they`re going to engage with it. I think they`re going to say, we`re not going to vouch for the authenticity of this, and the U.S. government to say that Russia is hacking us, that`s it.

MACKOWIAK: Yeah, I`m not sure that saying you`re not going to engage is going to work. I mean, some of these comments are not going to be well received by feel the Bern voters, right, that are reluctant before her.

HAYES: Although -- I agree, but the interesting thing that exists would have been a lot more damage at the primary than it does now.

MACKOWIAK: No question.

HAYES: That`s a very consolidated group. Matt MacKowiak and Joan Walsh, thank you both.

That is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening, Rachel. What the heck happened today?