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All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript, 7/6/2016

Guests: Molly Ball, Kendal Unruh, Cory Booker, Bernie Sanders

Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: July 6, 2016 Guest: Molly Ball, Kendal Unruh, Cory Booker, Bernie Sanders

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CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN --

(CHEERS)

HAYES: The world premiere of Trump-Gingrich.

NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER: This is magic. You`re now on Facebook.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It`s fantastic.

GINGRICH: It`s worldwide.

TRUMP: Good to be with you.

HAYES: Number one continues auditioning number twos. As last night`s veepstakes contestant bails on Trump.

SEN. BOB CORKER (R), TENNESSEE: I wasn`t going to say anything.

HAYES: Then --

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: His excuse for all this failure is that Atlantic City just went downhill, that it`s not his fault. But don`t believe it.

HAYES: Hillary Clinton returns to the scene of the bankruptcies.

CLINTON: He calls himself the king of debt, and he earned that title right here in A.C.

HAYES: Senator Cory Booker on what happened when Trump came to town.

Plus, my interview with Senator Bernie Sanders on the FBI decision on Hillary Clinton, and why he was booed by fellow Democrats on the Hill today.

And another nightmare shooting caught on tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They shot him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) goodness!

HAYES: Searching for answers in the wake of the police shooting of Alton Sterling, when ALL IN starts right now.

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HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.

Donald Trump just wrapped up a classically unhinged performance at a rally in Cincinnati, defending his praise from Saddam Hussein`s methods of dealing with terrorists, accusing Attorney General Loretta Lynch of taking a bribe from the Clintons, and doubling down on a recent tweet that many, many viewed as anti-Semitic.

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TRUMP: Could have been a sheriff`s star, a regular star. My boy comes home from school, Baron, he draws stars all over the place, I never said, that`s the Star of David. Behind it they had money, oh, but there`s money behind it. So, actually, they`re racially profiling, they`re profiling, not us because why are they bringing this up? Why do they bring it up?

I have a son-in-law who is Jewish, Jared, who`s a great guy. My daughter is Jewish, I have grandson that are Jewish, OK, and I love them. I love them.

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HAYES: This comes as Trump is busy auditioning potential running mates, and tonight, Newt Gingrich joined him on the road in Cincinnati. Minutes ago, Trump all but promised him a job in a Trump administration.

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TRUMP: Newt has been my friend for a long time. And I`m not saying anything, and I`m not telling Newt anything, but I can tell you in one form or another, Newt Gingrich is going to be involved with our government, that I can tell you.

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HAYES: According to NBC News, Newt Gingrich has been the top tier of Trump`s VP candidates, along with Indiana Governor Mike prince, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, Iowa Senator Joni Ernst, and Tennessee Senator Bob Corker. But as of today, Corker is off the list, and Ernst is a question mark at best.

After meeting with Trump two days ago, today, Ernst told "Politico", quote, "I`m focused on Iowa. I feel I have a lot more to do in the United States." She went on to recommend Mike Pence for the job.

Corker met with Trump yesterday, traveling with him to a campaign stop in North Carolina, where Trump offered what was apparently a totally impromptu invitation to join him on stage. At the podium, a clearly mortified Corker struggled to come up with a nice thing to say about his party`s presumptive nominee.

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CORKER: I wasn`t going to say anything. I just came to visit.

(LAUGHTER)

But I have to say something. The rallies that I have back home aren`t quite like this.

TRUMP: Pretty good.

CORKER: Pretty cool.

Had a pretty remarkable day today. Pretty remarkable day. You know, it says a lot about -- it says a lot about a person to meet their family.

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HAYES: Corker praised Trump for his relationships with his kids, and his employees.

And just minutes after he left the stage, Trump said this.

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TRUMP: Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, right? He was a bad guy. Really bad guy. But you know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn`t read them the rights. They didn`t talk. They were a terrorist, it was over.

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HAYES: Since we often fact-check Trump claims, it is true. Saddam Hussein did not read people rights in Saddam`s Iraq.

Corker who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee announced today that he`s withdrawing his name from consideration, citing the political nature of the job. He told reporters he was at the back of the room last night and didn`t really hear Trump`s comments on Saddam Hussein`s terrorist killing prowess.

As for the rest of Trump`s potential running mates, he met on Saturday with Mike Pence, who endorsed Ted Cruz in his state`s contentious primary, Chris Christie, an early Trump endorser who is currently out of the country on a vacation in Italy.

But Hillary Clinton was in his state today highlighting her opponent`s casino bankruptcies in Atlantic City and she just couldn`t resist a dig.

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CLINTON: If your governor would start doing his job instead of -- instead of following Donald Trump around, holding his coat, maybe we could really get New Jersey`s economy moving again.

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HAYES: Today in an effort to ease concerns over its fundraising operation, Trump campaign announced new totals for the month of June. Now, it`s not an official FEC filing, but according to the Trump campaign, they raised almost $55 million last month, including $25 million for joint victory fund with the RNC, $26 million for the campaign itself, plus $3.8 million Trump personally contributed to campaign.

Noticeably missing from that announcement, any filing with the FEC converting that big loan from the primary into a donation and a key number. How much money the campaign actually has on hand?

Joining me now, Molly Ball, political correspondent for "The Atlantic."

All right. I wanted -- I went into this wanting to talk about the fundraising because it sort of interesting and I think there`s -- we`ll see what the accounting shakes out. But I have to start with the speech he gave tonight, which I`ve been watching this now for 13 months for my sins and that was the most unhinged thing I`ve seen from him. He was all over the place. It was like Charlie Sheen during his #winning tour.

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MOLLY BALL, THE ATLANTIC: Well, hasn`t Trump told you that we`re going to be winning so much that you`re going to get tired of winning? I`m sorry to see you`re already tired of winning, Chris.

HAYES: I am tired of winning.

BALL: But as Mr. Trump has said, you can beg him to stop winning and he`s not going to stop.

Look, I mean, I don`t know that this is the most bonkers we`ve ever seen Trump. I`ve also been watching Trump for a long time, and this sort of free associating. Number one, it makes him entertaining.

HAYES: That`s true.

BALL: It keeps people tuning in. It keeps the cable networks playing his rallies live, because you never know what he`s going to say. And it keeps his latest outrage in the news. So whatever the last outrage was is in the rearview mirror.

Now, in the primary, that was a feature, not a bug. It`s not clear that`s a good thing in the general election when there is, according to most Republican leaders, a better message he could be driving, if he had any interest in talking about something other than sort of the latest thing to pop into his head.

HAYES: So this is exactly right. I mean, to me, the problem is, there`s two different incentives, you`re right, he understands, he`s better TV if he`s off the cuff and he`s unpredictable. But better TV does not mean better candidate.

There`s this great Mitch McConnell line, right, when Mitch McConnell keep saying that he`s said to Trump, put me down for boring. I mean, there`s a reason Mitch McConnell has had some success in his political life, even though he`s not particularly entertaining.

And I think right now, Trump is caught in this -- he`s not polling well. The one thing he knows is to generate attention. He`s good at that, but he starts tonight by relitigating Star of David gate and Saddam Hussein, which is not what he should be talking about, based on the consensus opinion of every single political professional in the universe.

BALL: Right. But, I mean, he gets -- as you said, you know, he`s a sort of natural entertainer for the crowds. And the feedback that he gets from this feedback is, this is fun and I think he processes it in the moment, and, you know, I think the worry of people like Mitch McConnell is not necessarily that Trump isn`t willing to become a more controlled and professional candidate, but that he actually lacks the ability, that we`ve seen him try to be self-disciplined and fail and he sort of just loses control in the moment and does what feels right. And that`s the real problem. Even if he wanted to be the candidate Mitch McConnell would like to see, he literally lacks the self-control to do that.

HAYES: Yes, and I think -- my theory here is, the more controlled he is during the day, the more -- the less he can tweet and do all these other things, it`s all bottled up for that like he`s one moment he gets to let Trump be Trump is when he goes out to that rally and he`s got the crowd, and I just think that is a disaster waiting to happen, particularly at the convention for the Republican Party.

BALL: Well, it will make a very entertaining convention. I thought four years ago, it would be hard to top Clint Eastwood in the chair.

HAYES: Ooh, that`s --

BALL: I never forget Clint Eastwood in a chair.

But we may get a more entertaining convention this time. Didn`t Trump say it would be showbiz?

HAYES: Yes.

BALL: So at the very least, people will tune in to watch.

HAYES: That`s true. Thank you, Molly Ball.

BALL: Thanks, Chris.

HAYES: Donald Trump maybe getting his fundraising on track, though that remains to be seen. But if a new report is to be believed, he could be facing much bigger problems. Check this out, according to "The Wall Street Journal," anti-Trump forces in the GOP may have the numbers to pull off a coup at the convention in two weeks.

I`m now joined by the one of the people leading that effort, Colorado Republican delegate Kendal Unruh.

Kendal, I cover -- I don`t want to get into Groundhog Day, they`re going to take it away from him, we were doing the delegate math. So I guess my question is, what do you got? How many people do you got? Is this real?

KENDAL UNRUH, COLORADO REPUBLICAN DELEGATE: Oh, this is definitely real. Let me tell you, that as founder of Free the Delegates, I love the fact that the sedation they tranquilized Donald Trump with is wearing off, because that certainly helps our movement. The more off the cuff he is, the more generated support that we get.

What`s been a large game-changer for us was the fact that we married with delegates unbound, and they bought $3 million into this game to be able to organize a ground floor fight and to be able to have a command center to where we`re going to be able to communicate and directly get our plan of action to the delegates that are on the floor. We now have people that are points of contact within each delegation. We have a leadership team that is absolutely second to none. We actually have a whip organization that has been financed that is going to be effective and we are actually going to see a convention for the first time since 1976.

HAYES: OK. So, when I read "The Wall Street Journal" piece, it had a whip count for the Trump folks around 900. He needs 1,237 I think. So, are you telling me they don`t have the whip count right now to get him over on the first ballot right now?

UNRUH: They do not. They have what is called soft votes. And we`ve always known that. In fact, when I first started into this game, I knew that his support was soft.

And you had Trump himself admit that when he said how many delegates he had, and he said, oh, I have so many delegates, I stopped counting. That tells you that he doesn`t have an accurate vote count.

And so, we`re actually peeling those votes off. There are people that actually are not wanting to come public with it. So even doesn`t even know how many votes we have, because they`re actually being threatened, they`re being physically threatened by Trump surrogates, which is what I received e-mails about today.

HAYES: Wait a second, I want to stop you right there, because that`s a very intense charge. You say, there are delegates that are being physically threatened by Trump surrogates. Tell me specifically what do you mean by that?

UNRUH: There was a delegate physically threatened by a Trump surrogate for the fact that he was going to unbind --

HAYES: In person? Over e-mail?

UNRUH: Pardon?

HAYES: In person by the surrogate? Over e-mail? What?

UNRUH: Well, it was -- I`m going to release that at the time when he is comfortable releasing that story.

But this is not news to us, because even all the very strong pushback that they have been getting from the RNC surrogates and the Trump surrogates and the fact that they`re being coerced and threatened and having their credentials yanked. And we had to have attorneys through our legal defense fund, just come to their defense.

And realize what they`re doing, they`re actually penalizing these delegates in advance for what they`re going to do. All they have to do is be thinking about or talking about the fact that they`re going to unbind and you have them being the thought police and penalizing them in advance for something they haven`t even done yet.

Now, if we want to talk about penalties after the fact and I`m hearing they`re trying to get sanctions against me for voicing my First Amendment rights and exercising my right to unbind --

HAYES: I wouldn`t doubt it.

UNRUH: But that`s a different argument. They`re being penalized prior to any action.

HAYES: Well, we`ll keep checking back with you. If you pull this off, it will be one of the greatest political upsets of all time.

Kendal Unruh, thank you very much.

UNRUH: Thank you.

HAYES: Still to come, NBC News is reporting tonight that Bernie Sanders is meeting with Hillary Clinton next week. Is an endorsement coming next Tuesday? I spoke to the senator a few minutes ago, made a bit of news. So, stay tuned for that interview ahead.

But first, Clinton attacks Donald Trump`s long history of bankruptcies in Atlantic City. New Jersey Senator Cory Booker joins me to talk about Trump`s legacy in just two minutes. Do not go anywhere.

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CLINTON: Donald Trump, he walked away with millions. And here`s what he says about the whole experience. He actually brags about it. Atlantic City was a very good cash cow for me for a long time. The money I took out of there was incredible.

Think about it. The money he took out of here. That says everything you need to know about Donald Trump. He got rich and got out. And he thinks that`s something to be proud of. He didn`t just take advantage of investors. He took advantage of working people as well.

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HAYES: Hillary Clinton traveled to Atlantic City today, stood on the boardwalk outside of the former Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino and argued that Donald Trump is very good at enriching himself at the expense of others.

In Atlantic City, Trump`s legacy includes but is not limited to the Trump`s Taj Mahal, which first filed for bankruptcy in 1991. The Trump Castle and the Trump Plaza, which filed for bankruptcy in 1992. The castle was then renamed Trump Marina and all three casinos were reorganized under the company Trump Hotels and Casino resorts, which then filed for bankruptcy in 2004. The company declared bankruptcy again in 2009 and Trump quit.

After the company went bankrupt again, Trump defended his bankruptcy practices on the Jersey shore in pretty explicit terms, telling "The Daily Beast", quote, "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City. I hope you can say in your article that Mr. Trump sold out a long time ago and did well. I made a lot of money."

Today, in response to Clinton`s speech, Trump released a statement that reads in part, quote, "I have used the chapter laws of our country in four instances, much as many of our country`s business people do, but nobody cares about. It is an effective and commonly used practice in business to use bankruptcy proceedings to restructure a business and ultimately save jobs."

But in an op-ed in "New York Times" today, a professor of urban policy defines Trump, quote, "effective and commonly used practice another way." "Mr. Trump created his business empire using what the economist Hyman Minsky called Ponzi financing."

Joining me now, Senator Cory Booker, Democrat from the great state of New Jersey.

Senator, Donald Trump basically says he got out before everything crashed, it isn`t his fault, it was mismanagement by the municipal government and everyone else. Don`t blame him.

SEN. CORY BOOKER (D), NEW JERSEY: Well, look, there are casinos there thriving, that are solid business, that are creating jobs. Donald Trump was just the opposite. Here`s a guy that says he`s going to run our country like he ran his business.

Well, look at his legacy, he was a job killer. Not only that, but he stiffed people for their bill, he hurt small businesses. He hurt employees and he hurt the city.

So, this is someone whose record is clear. If he`s going to run this country like he ran businesses in Atlantic City, we all should run away from Donald Trump.

HAYES: This is what Secretary Clinton had to say about the governor of your state today. Take a listen.

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CLINTON: Now, it is no secret that Atlantic City has gone through some tough times. And if your governor would start doing his job instead of -- instead of following Donald Trump around holding his coat, maybe we could really get New Jersey`s economy moving again.

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HAYES: Is that a fair characterization of the governor of your state?

BOOKER: Well, look, frankly, my relationship with Chris Christie, I could write a dissertation on our disagreements. A lot of problems with urban policy that he and I had patent disagreements on.

But to me, this is what she was -- really the larger picture of what she was saying is, Atlantic City`s hurting right now, and it`s unfortunate that you had Donald Trump come to that city, not create value, not create worth, not create jobs, but literally contribute to people being put out of business.

He stiffed the little guy, he stiffed the small business, and frankly, he stiffed the city. So this is really -- you know, I spent a lot of time working with Atlantic City when casinos closed, working with them from my position as senator, trying to help them create landing pads for people, or helping their fire departments keep firefighters employed.

What Atlantic City really needed was business people who did what they said they were going to do. Donald Trump was big on promises, little on delivery. Not only did he not do good for the city, but he hurt a lot of people, and that`s not what America needs.

HAYES: There`s -- back in 2013, I believe, Ivanka Trump was set to host a fund-raiser for you. I think that happened. Do you have a relationship with Trump and the Trump family?

BOOKER: I know Ivanka and Jared Kushner, which is the son-in-law, obviously, of Donald, and have good relationships with them. And I value them. I consider them friends.

To me, this is about a much larger picture --

HAYES: OK, can I stop you there? You consider them friends. Honestly -- I don`t know if you can answer this question honestly. But do you have a conversation with them, like what the heck is going on with your father?

BOOKER: No, I haven`t had that conversation. In many ways, that would be disrespectful. I have such a painful understanding of how he ran businesses in New Jersey. There are -- you know, "USA Today" found 252 different examples of Donald Trump short-changing businesses, short- changing folks and this is all around our state.

There`s a lot of pain that he caused and as he got rich, was able to declare bankruptcy, but still walk away with millions, leaving people unfortunately in a lot of pain. So, again, for me, this is a focus on who should lead this country.

If you want somebody that`s going to rack up American debt, kill American jobs and in many ways, fail like he did in Atlantic City, then that`s your guy. But that`s not what we want. We want somebody with a different vision about bringing people together, about creating value, creating worth, growing our country, that still works for everybody, not just another billionaire making more money off the backs of people, of hard- working people, who in this case very clearly got screwed.

HAYES: Yes, there`s no bankruptcy for the president of the United States.

Senator Cory Booker, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it.

Still to come, outrage in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, after a deadly police shooting caught on tape. The latest on the investigation ahead.

Up next, a massive update to our Trump`s list, taking on the responsibility of keeping up the stories that would be disqualifying for any other candidate. The latest after this short break.

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HAYES: It has been three weeks since we latest updated our Trump`s last ten, our running tally of things had any other candidate said them or done them, might well have ended their campaign -- but not for Donald Trump.

Here`s what the board looked like when last we checked in. Trump was giving us a lot of fodder, which means the bottom five stories on our list are about to get pushed off. So, let`s all take a moment to remember them before they leave the board and perhaps fade from our memories.

Number six, Trump promising to donate a million dollars to veterans groups, but not actually doing it until he faced scrutiny from journalists. Number seven, the blockbuster "New York Times" report on Trump`s sometimes crude behavior with women and preoccupation with their bodies. Number eight, a true classic, revelations that Trump pretended to be a publicist named John Miller to brag to reporters about, yes, Donald Trump.

Number nine, Trump`s butler saying President Obama should be hanged, and I`m quoting, "my from the portico of the white mosque, which is what he calls the White House." And number ten, Trump`s evolving Muslim ban which went from his stated policy to a, quote, "suggestion", to most recently a ban on travel from specific countries, but who knows what it will be next week.

We now bid goodbye to those stories to make room for five new ones. Let`s update the board.

Our new number four, revelations that despite promising to donate money from Trump Vodka, Trump University, books and other products to charity, Trump often failed to follow through. Number four, word the Trump Institute, not to be confused with Trump University, used plagiarized lessons to peddle get rich schemes. Number three, the Trump campaign sending fundraising appeals to foreign lawmakers even though donations from foreign nations are prohibited by federal election law.

Number two, an anti-Semitic tweet featuring a Star of David going out on Trump`s personal Twitter account. And our new number one, Trump last night hailing Saddam Hussein for the fact he killed, quote/unquote, "terrorists" without futzing around with trials and what-not.

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TRUMP: Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, right? He was a bad guy, really a bad guy. But you know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn`t read them rights, they didn`t talk. They were a terrorist, it was over.

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HAYES: Up next, Bernie Sanders was reportedly booed by House Democrats at a closed door meeting yesterday. I`ll talk to him about what happened and his continued presence in the Democratic race right after this break.

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HAYES: Hillary Clinton today took a big step towards a policy favored by her presidential primary rival, Bernie Sanders, announcing plans to eliminate college tuition at in-state public colleges and universities for families with annual incomes under $125,000, among other proposals. While Clinton stopped short of Sanders` call for tuition at pubic colleges and universities to be free for all students, the announcement moves the two candidates closer on a major Sanders` priority. The Vermont senator today lauded Clinton`s move.

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I thank Secretary Clinton for introducing this proposal, which, in my view, if implemented, will have a very profound impact on the future of our country.

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HAYES: With the Democratic National Convention less than three weeks away, Sanders has not yet endorsed Clinton and the frustration on Capitol seems to be mounting. "Politico" reports that Sanders was booed by House Democrats at one point during a closed door meeting today with frustrated Democrats pressing him during a tense question and answer session on whether he would ultimately endorse Clinton and help foster praty unity.

Meanwhile, NBC News has learned that in the wake of today`s announcement, the Sanders and Clinton campaigns are in talks for a possible endorsement event as early as next Tuesday in New Hampshire.

And I have the perfect person to ask about that. Joining me now is Vermont Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.

Senator, let me ask you about this closed-door meeting. Did you get booed?

BERNIE SANDERS, 2016 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think there were a few people who were booing. I think most of the people were sympathetic.

And what I say to the people who booed. You can boo me all you want. I`m going to continue to fight to make sure that we transform this country, that`s what our campaign 13 million voters wanted to see happen. And one of the things you just mentioned where there is widespread support all across this country is to end the absurdity of hundreds of thousands of bright young people not being able to afford to go to college and millions of others leaving school deeply in debt.

I worked on a proposal during the campaign, which said that all of our people should be able to go to public colleges and university tuition-free. Secretary Clinton had a different approach, but a strong approach.

Essentially what happened is there was a bringing together, a coming together of the two approaches and I think we have something that will now revolutionize education in America. And that says that over a four-year period, starting at 85,000, going up to 125,000, people under 125,000, will be able to send their kids to college or university, public college or university, tuition-free. This is a pretty good step forward.

HAYES: And on policy grounds I agree with you and it does seem to be sort of -- it has come in the middle of where universal or steeply means tested as the secretary had recommended. But the broader question I think is this, right. I mean, there is an opposition to the death penalty in the Democratic Party platform which is out of sync with the nominee, OK. The nominee supports it, the platform doesn`t.

There is a call for a $15 minimum wage, although not a national federal law for that. There is now this college proposal from Hillary Clinton.

Do you understand people looking at this and say, look, Hillary Clinton got more votes. At a certain point there are going to be some policy differences between the two of you that she`s not going to come around on, because if she did then she would have run on them to begin with. At some point, you have won your substantive victories.

SANDERS: Well, let me just say this. I got in the race obviously to try to win, to become president. And we`re going in to Philadelphia and Hillary Clinton has more votes than I do. She is the presumptive nominee and that is just basically the fact.

But what my job is to do, is to do everything that I can to address the major crises facing this country in terms of income and wealth inequality, the 40-year decline of the American Middle Class, the horrific crisis that we face in terms of climate change. And I`m going to use all of the leverage that I have to try to make those changes. And I`m also on record and will do everything that I can, Chris -- and I`m a pretty hard worker at these things, to make sure that Donald Trump does not become president of the United States of America, because that would be an unmitigated disaster, not only for our country, but for the world.

So, I`m going to do that. And we are now working with the Clinton campaign. We came together on higher education. And let me congratulate her. I think this is an extraordinarily powerful proposal that will mean so much to millions and millions of young people.

We`re working on some other ideas, and I think at the end of the day, there is going to be a coming together, and we`re going to go forward together and not only defeat Trump, but defeat him badly.

HAYES: So that`s key. So, you`re not denying the report that there are talks about a possible endorsement.

SANDERS: That`s correct.

HAYES: OK.

Let me ask you this, because I -- you and I have known each other for a long time. I`ve interviewed and covered you for a long time. My read on you is that you are doing this for the substantive reasons that you say you are. There are people who feel that it isn`t. There`s a quote today, and it`s a blind quote, but I`d like you to respond.

It was frustrating about the meeting because he`s squandering the movement he built with self-obsession that was totally on display. And this is something -- you know, people feel, is this about ego, is this about you, Bernie Sanders, not wanting to let go?

SANDERS: Chris, what percentage of Democratic members of the House of Representatives supported me. Do you know?

HAYES: A tiny percentage, maybe two or three.

SANDERS: That`s right. So I walked into a room where 95 percent of the people supported Hillary Clinton. People who supported me in the room by the way, were very kind and generaous, as were many others.

You know, I don`t know how to tell you this, Chris, don`t believe everything you read in the papers, all right, not necessarily accurate. The idea that there was massive hostility is just not true.

But there are people...

HAYES: Yeah, there are people who are -- right.

SANDERS: I`m sorry, go ahead.

HAYES: No, I`m just saying that I agree with you. Don`t believe everything you read in the paper. But what is clear is that there are some people who are frustrated, who think this is about your ego and I just want you to respond to that.

SANDERS: Well, you know, I`ve been doing what I`ve been doing now for the last many, many years -- many decades. Doing my best to take on the big money interests, to take on the greed of Wall Street. That`s what I do. So for those people who say it`s about my ego, well, I respectfully disagree.

What it is about, that you got 47 million people in this country living in poverty. It`s about the fact that we`re the only major country on Earth that doesn`t guarantee health care to all people as a right. It`s about the fact that we have millions of workers trying to make it on 9, 10 bucks an hour and they couldn`t do it, which is why we have to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour.

So I think what sometimes gets disguised is political differences. Some guy came up to me in the caucus, this guy is pro-TPP, well, I`m going to do everything I can to make sure the TPP does not come to the floor of the House. And I`m sure that he was not all that happy about that.

So sometimes personality becomes infused with political differences.

HAYES: Senator Bernie Sanders, thanks for coming by. Really appreciate it.

SANDERS: Thank you.

HAYES: Coming up, as Republicans drag their feet through endorsements of Donald Trump, a common trend of silent protest emerges. What that is after the break.

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HAYES; Thing one tonight, it`s no secret that Donald Trump loves putting his name on everything. So it has to be tough for a guy who has put his name on failed business venture after failed business venture. He can`t get members of his own party to even say his name outloud.

Time after time, we`ve seen squeamish Republicans offer this awkward show of support for their presumptive nominee.

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) FLORIDA: I signed a pledge, put my name on it, and I said I would support the Republican nominee. And that`s what intend to do.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: Well, as I`ve said, I would support the nominee of the party.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I intend to support the Republican nominee.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: I will be supporting the Republican nominee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I plan on supporting the Republican nominee at this time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would love to get to the point where I can support the support the Republican nominee, but for me, at least, it`s going to take some time.

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HAYES: Well, the time has come for one Republican to express his support for Donald Trump, not on camera, of course. The backing came in tweet form. And, no, it did not mention Trump`s name.

Things two, the identity of Donald Trump`s latest prominent but reluctant booster, in 60 seconds.

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GOV. SCOTT WALKER, (R) WISCONSIN: I will suspend my campaign immediately. I encourage other Republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so that the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current front-runner.

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HAYES: So, lots of people seem to have trouble saying Donald Ttrump`s name. Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin appears to be one of them. Once seen as a rising star in the Republican Party, Walker dropped out of the 2016 presidential contest before a single vote was even cast.

And then in April, Walker played a role in the contest that was the high water mark of Never Trumpism, endorsing Ted Cruz ahead of the Wisconsin primary. Now, Cruz won Wisconsin, but he dropped out of the presidential contest a little more than a month later.

So, what is a guy like Scott Walker to do? Now, just a few weeks ago, Walker said of the Clinton-Trump matchup, it`s just sad in America that we have such poor choices right now.

Now it appears Walker is making a slight adjustment to his previously held position. This week, we learned that Walker will speak at the party`s convention in Cleveland. The announcement coming after Trump told The new York Times that people who don`t support him should just stay home.

Quote, if there`s no endorsement, then I would not invite them to speak.

And so it should be of little surprise that following the news that Scott Walker would speak at the convention, came this tweet from the man himself, "last August, I said I`d support the GOP nominee. It`s now clear who the RNC delegate will vote to nominee and he is better than she is.

Now the question becomes, will Walker actually say Trump`s name at Trump`s own convention?

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HAYES: Late this afternoon, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced there will be no charges brought against Hillary Clinton or her aides relating to the use of her private email server while she was secretary of state officially accepting the recommendation from the FBI following its investigation.

Clinton`s press secretary responded, tweeting, "with the AG accepting Director Comey`s recommendation, this case is resolved, no matter Republicans` attempts to continue playing politics."

While Clinton is now legally cleared of wrongdoing, the political fallout has indeed continued. Speaker Paul Ryan is saying Clinton should be denied classified briefings as a candidate and Republicans have called FBI Comey to testify before a House committee tomorrow.

Republicans now have an option of how they want to play their cards here. They can take Comey`s criticism of Clinton saying her actions were not criminal, but extremely careless and build that into a critique of her competence, or the option they seem much more likely and tempted to do, they can build some theory of a big cover-up, saying there was political pressure or manipulation of the investigation behind the scenes.

The problem with that, is that there is no theory of corruption or cover-up that does not directly impune the integrity of Comey himself, a man who says the investigation was entirely independent and has a pretty good reputation on that score.

So if the story Republicans choose to tell the American people is that this investigation was corrupt, at some point, they are going to have to call James Comey a liar.

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HAYES: Protests have erupted in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, after the shooting of 37-year-old Alton Sterling by police early Tuesday morning. Outrage over the shooting led to the protests, which began yesterday and have continued into today.

They intensified when a video of the incident was released, which we will show you shortly.

Earlier today, the Justice Department announced it will investigate the case, along with the FBI, and the U.S. attorney`s office in Baton Rouge. The shooting occurred shortly after midnight, early Tuesday morning, when police responded to this dispatch.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Copy suspicious code 2 at 2100 North Foster, corss of Fairfields. Selling CDs on the corner. Gun in his pocket. He pulled a gun on a complainant and told him he couldn`t be around there.

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HAYES: That location was the Triple S Food Mart on North Foster Drive in Baton Rouge. Part of the confrontation between two police officers and Alton Sterling was captured on a cell phone video that was released later in the day.

The video captures -- does not capture -- and we do not know what preceded this use of force.

Alton Sterling is wearing a red shirt in the video. One of the two officers appears to shout. He`s got a gun.

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UNIDENITIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: He`s got a gun! Gun!

(GUNFIRE

UNIDENITIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my god.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: They shot him?

UNIDENIFIED MALE: Yes!

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HAYES: Well, that video that caused the swift reaction from the public and the Justice Department, a second video has since been released.

The owner of the Triple S Food Mart store who shot this video said he saw one of the officers remove a gun from Sterling`s pocket after the shooting. It is not possible to determine definitively what was removed from Sterling`s pocket based on this video alone. We are showing only a portion of the video before the shots are fired.

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UNIDENITIFIED MALE: He`s got a gun!

Gun!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You (EXPLETIVE DELETED) move, I swear to god...

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground.

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HAYES: Alton Sterling died from multiple gunshot wounds at the scene according to the coroner of east Baton Rouge Parish.

Sterling is a father of five. The mother of one of his children offered an impassioned response.

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QUINYETTA MCMILLAN, MOTHER OF STERLING`S SON: The individuals involved in his murder took away a man with children, who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis. This even will not go unjusticed, it will not go unnoticed.

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HAYES: The two police officers, Blane Salamoni and Howie Lake II have been placed on administrative leave pending the investigation, which is standard procedure.

Baton Rouge police chief said Sterling was armed, but when later asked, he referred that question to federal investigators.

Joining me now Michael McClanahan, president of the NAACP Baton Rouge who is at the vigil tonight. And Jalani Cobb, staff writer at The New Yorker, professor at Columbia School of Journalism who just did a great Frontline series on policing.

Mr. McClanahan, let me begin with you. I just saw some reporting in by Wesley Riley of The Washington Post that indicated one of the videos taken was taken by a group that takes video of police encounters precisely because of some of the issues with the Baton Rouge police. Is this something -- this is a long-standing complaint with this department?

MICHAEL MCCLANAHAN, NAACP BATON ROUGE: Good afternoon. How you all doing?

I say this, this act is the culmination of something that`s been looming for years. At some point in time, just a matter of time before it erupted. What you`re seeing now is an eruption of years of fear, years of being beat up, harassed, years of being thrown in jail, wrongfully prosecuted and now shot and killed.

HAYES: Yeah, you can see in the sort of frustration and anger of folks down there, just immediately after this, that it looked like a situation, it reminded me in some ways of Ferguson, where clearly there are longstanding frustrations with the police force before this video is released.

MCCLANAHAN: Yeah, yeah. You`re right. It`s a culture. It`s a culture that prevails amongst the police in the city of Baton Rouge, and it has to stop. This death, sad to say that this death had to happen, but something was going to trigger these people to let the community know, let the powers know that be, that they`re sick and tired of being sick and tired and living in fear in their own community and their own home.

Something has to change.

HAYES: Michael McClanahan, I want you to stay there.

Jelani, I saw a lot of people last night tweeting about just sort of exhaustion. So, I think we had this period where we had cell phone videos of things and it was like all of a sudden the tree wasn`t falling in the forest with no one to hear it -- meaning broader community, white folks frankly.

People have heard it. We`ve seen these cell phone videos. And now it`s sort of -- I saw a lot of people expressing last night, like OK, what -- here we are still. What more -- what`s your reaction?

JELANI COBB, THE NEW YORKER: well, one of the things is interesting is that like video was never a panacea, we`ve known that since Rodney King. And we`ve known that, if we had forgotten, we saw that again with Eric Garner and we saw that with Tamir Rice, that you can have video and it still not culminate in some fundamental change or people being given justice.

And so I don`t think there is really a panacea for this. But it is horrific and it`s exhausting and it`s draining and it`s frustrating to see this type of scenario again and again and again pop up with seemingly not to abate in the face of learning anything from the previous incident that happened.

HAYES: I want to show a little clip from your Frontline special, because it reminded me of one of the things we saw in that brief video clip. Take a look at this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not doing nothing! I`m not doing nothing. Come on, man!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop, stop, stop.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: You want to pull away from me man? You`re going get hurt.

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UNIDENITIFEID MALE: I swear to go, I did not resist y`all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, sir. Stop. Stop. I`m the other guy. I don`t have cuffs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t do nothing.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: Stop. Just stop, sir. Just stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, you`re not under arrest. Just for your safety...

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HAYES: this is a guy who literally wasn`t doing anything.

COBB: He was on his way home.

HAYES: Two things there. I mean, I watch that now and I think, thank god...

COBB: It didn`t go...

HAYES: He got out of that alive.

COBB: Right.

HAYES: And also this sort of -- the public announcement I`m handcuffing you for your safety. The police officers in this case, saying, gun, gun, it almost feels like it`s -- how do you interpret that?

COBB: Well, I mean, you know, the thing I found really shocking about this is that, one, there was a report that the person had a gun. But then also, this is Louisiana. There are lots of people who have guns on their person. How does this automatically turn into, you know, this person being shot? By all appearances, they had subdued him. You know, he was flat on his back on the ground. It`s hard to square that with the idea that this person poses a mortal threat to you.

HAYES: Not only was he subdued on the ground, but the video, the part we didn`t show you, it looks very clearly like -- and we cannot definitely determine that, though one witness said they remove a gun from his pocket, so it was not in his hand.

Mr. McClanahan, speak to the gun here. I mean, to the extent that police can say they were threatened and there was a gun, what is your reaction to them saying that?

MCCLANAHAN: Well, police are trained to handle any and all scenarios without using lethal force. They could have -- they had already tased the young man. They had his arms. They could have easily put the handcuffs on him and taken the gun from him. They could have asked him -- 20 million things they could have done besides shoot him.

But I promise you, to get into the mind of those police officers, they came there with killing on their minds. They came there with killing on their minds. They was on the scene maybe a minute. They tased him, jumped on him, beat him up, and killed him.

A minute. They didn`t try to say, sir, please, none of that. They killed him, murdered him.

HAYES: I should say that from my perspective, I have not seen earlier interaction to that. I can`t speak to the state of mind of the police officers.

What I can speak to, though, and Jelani, this is something that comes through in your reporting. And I`ve been reporting and writing on this for two years now, these interactions are the point of the spear. And we see these. And they`re horrifying. And absolutely wrenching. And we hope -- or folks hope that there`s justice and the proper due process and called to account. But they are the result of extraordinary number of interactions with police every day that is really unmatched in any country in our category in the world.

COBB: That`s right.

And it`s almost like the culmination of this is like inevitable. And so -- and then there`s the weird kind of myopia that comes to saying, well this person has a gun. When Newtown happened, Wayne LaPierre said, the only person that happened -- that protects you from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Someone in his category, a person who is overwhelmingly likely to be killed -- and in Baton Louge, the per capita is 31 per 100,000, almost double what it is in Chicago. This is someone who faces a real threat.

And saying this person is armed is also the reason that the police may kill you.

HAYES: That is an excellent point. And also, I will say, if he looked to be resisting, maybe it was not irrational to resist, given the final act that happened there.

Michael McClanahan and Jelani Cobb, thank you gentlemen both. I appreciate it.

That`s All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now.

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