Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: June 30, 2016 Guest: Rick Wilson, Matt Taibbi, Bernie Sanders, Gyasi Ross (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN --
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: You know, why am I not doing better in the polls?
HAYES: A candidate comes to grips with a campaign in trouble.
TRUMP: I don`t see how I`m not leading.
HAYES: Tonight, the latest barrage of troubling headlines for Donald Trump.
TRUMP: That could be a Mexican plane up there, they`re getting ready to attack.
HAYES: Plus --
TRUMP: Bernie Sanders cannot stand Hillary Clinton.
HAYES: Senator Bernie Sanders responds to that charge here tonight.
Then -- the ugly attacks on Elizabeth Warren continues.
TRUMP: I have more Native American blood in me than she does, OK?
HAYES: Tonight, Donald Trump`s long history of profiling Native Americans.
TRUMP: They don`t look like Indians to me and they don`t look like Indians to Indians.
HAYES: And the clear and present danger of climate change in Miami.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I suppose for our great, great grandkids, this will be a great snorkeling site.
HAYES: Our special report from Florida when ALL IN starts right now.
HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.
And for the very first time in this long campaign, Donald Trump is acting like a man who knows he`s losing. He just doesn`t know why.
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TRUMP: The crowds are massive. And, you know, I walked out of one and said, I don`t see how I`m not leading. You see the crowds -- we have thousands of people standing outside trying to get in. And they`re great people, and they have such spirit for the country and love for the country and I`m saying, why am I not doing better in the polls?
And I`ve noticed the polls are coming up, but you have to understand, your show, no, but many shows it`s a constant hit from mainstream media no matter what you do, it`s always a negative.
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HAYES: Despite his claim, Trump is not seeing significant signs of improvement in the polls, at least not in the aggregate. Nine of the past ten national polls show Hillary Clinton with a lead over Trump by an average margin of about five points. "Politico`s" battle state polling average, of 11 key states, Trump trails 45 percent to 39 percent.
For a candidate whose campaign is centered on the idea that he`s a winner, who spent inordinate amounts of time and verbiage during the primary campaign, trumpeting polls leading his GOP rivals, those numbers have got to hurt. A lot.
The problem for Trump is he appears to lack the sort of discipline necessary to reverse them. Consider this flippant comment Trump made just this afternoon in New Hampshire.
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TRUMP: Mexico, and I respect Mexico and I respect their leaders, what they`ve done to us is incredible. Their leaders are so much smarter, so much sharper and it`s incredible -- in fact, that could be a Mexican plane up there, they`re getting ready to attack.
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HAYES: Trump`s antics aren`t the only problem. Seemingly every day brings a new revelation about his shady past.
We now know the Trump Institute, which for the record isn`t separate from Trump University, offered students get rich schemes with plagiarized lessons.
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TRUMP: Well, I really think it`s important that you attend. You`re going to learn a lot in the seminars. You`re going to learn a lot from the institute, about the institute. And another thing, you`re going to meet a lot of interesting people. It`s a great place to meet people. And they`re sort of like you, they`re smart, they`re intelligent. In some cases they`re beautiful or good looking.
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HAYES: Trump doesn`t blame himself for his woes, of course. He`s put a lot of the blame on the Republican Party, complaining yesterday that it`s almost in some ways like I`m running against two parties. And there`s certainly no denying the prominent Republicans have kept their distance.
Just consider what Utah Senator Mike Lee said yesterday, when asked why he hasn`t yet endorsed Trump -- a response that kicked off with allusion to Trump`s comments about Ted Cruz`s dad.
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STEVE MALZBERG: I just don`t understand why you`re not out there Trumpeting Trump.
SEN. MIKE LEE (R), UTAH: Hey, look, Steve, I get it. You want me to endorse Trump.
MALZBERG: Well, I don`t understand why you`re not, really.
LEE: Well, we can get into that if you want. We can get into the fact that he accused my best friend`s father of conspiring to kill JFK.
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HAYES: Fair point.
But the biggest problem for Trump in the general election isn`t people like Mike Lee, it`s that Trump managed to win the Republican primary without a real campaign, no staff, no advertising, no ground game. And now, in the final hours, relatively, he`s desperately trying to cobble one together, despite lacking the wherewithal or expertise to do so.
Trump gave a big speech on trade Tuesday in Pittsburgh. Part of an apparent strategy to win Rust Belt States. Yet, Trump`s Pennsylvania campaign is reportedly missing in action.
With local party leaders saying there`s been almost no outreach from his campaign so far and there`s scant evidence of any Trump-driven ground organization.
Nowhere is Trump`s desperation more apparent than in his fundraising. Trump started the month of June with just $1.2 million in cash on hand compared with Clinton`s $42 million. The next campaign finance report is set to come out right in the middle of the Republican National convention. And another dismal report would be a disaster. That reporting period closing tomorrow, or today I think.
So, the Trump campaign is spamming Facebook feeds with ads promising "Make America Great Again" hats, and sending emails featuring countdown clocks and begging people to donate before midnight. The campaign also seems to have haphazardly and indiscriminately e-mail lists to reach potential donors and has in recent days asked for money from lawmakers in the U.K., Iceland, Australia and elsewhere, prompting complaints it`s violating federal law by soliciting funds from foreign nationals.
And there`s the fact that Trump may be leaving open the possibility of cashing himself out. And Trump said last week, he had forgiven a $50 million campaign loan, converting it into a donation, but as first reported by NBC News, Trump won`t release proof that he did that. And the FEC has posted no record as of yet of Trump converting his loans to donations.
If Trump has yet to forgive the loan, it means he could use the incoming donations to pay off his own investment in the campaign. Trump, though, says not to worry, "The very dishonest NBC News refuses to accept the fact I have forgiven my $50 million loan to my campaign," he tweeted today. "Done deal," exclamation point.
Joining me now Republican political consultant and media strategist Rick Wilson, who staunchly opposes Donald Trump.
Rick, here`s the theory -- Josh Marshall has been putting out this theory and I basically buy it. There was no fundraising operation to speak of. They didn`t build one. They didn`t build lists. They didn`t cultivate donors.
All of a sudden, that FEC report comes out a disaster and then it`s like the college student who`s got a term paper due in two hours, who hasn`t done any research, grabbing stuff off Wikipedia. So, you`re just getting this barrage of every e-mail list they can buy, trying to raise money desperately.
RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN MEDIA STRATEGIST: That`s about right, Chris, because, look, their major donor fundraising effort is dead in its tracks. They have a couple of major donors who have agreed to help them, but when you see the invitations for their events, they`re, you know, they`re $25,000 ahead of what they could raise, which is almost $400,000 if you spread it across all the committees. You don`t see it in his schedule that he`s out working major donors.
So, he`s not raising large, significant money, so he has to go to the online option. The folks that are doing his online fundraising are using all the usual tricks of the online fundraising trade, the countdown clocks, the matching lines, all these things. But they`re not A-B testing the lists. The lists seem to be pretty random. They`ve got a lot of rejection rates coming back. There was a study the other day that about 60 percent of them were getting kicked into spam folders because they used the wrong domain name for his fundraising.
So, you`re seeing him scramble to try to raise money on the back end of this process. And unfortunately, even for e-mail, you have to cultivate a list. You have to work it, develop it, figure out what -- you A-B test it to figure out what works.
And while Eric Trump claims they`re raising records amounts of money, and, you know, $11 million, that would be larger than any other week for anyone, including Barack Obama, or Bernie Sanders, both of whom have very, very well-tested, well-thought out fundraising list and can generally turn out a good amount of money from them.
So, he`s in some deep water fundraising wise.
HAYES: What do you make of this? I`m inclined to believe that he`s going to file with the FEC that he`s turning the loan into a donation. But if they had filed that, this is a guy who will say he would give a million dollars to veterans groups and didn`t until a reporter called. So, what do you make of them -- I mean, I guess we`ll find out in the next reporting period, right?
WILSON: I think the answer is going to be whether or not Trump is able to extend one of his credit lines. Because he probably doesn`t have that much cash to actually spend.
This is a guy whose obligations are pretty significant, and so his cash position, some of the estimates were that his cash position was around $130 million at the outer boundary. So, if he`s taking $55 million and converting it into a loan, that`s going to sting. He`s got to have the expectation that he`s got an extension on his credit line somewhere. And that will probably be the deciding factor on whether or not he keeps that money as a loan or an obligation.
HAYES: It feels -- it`s like the final dark act of a mammoth play right now. Rick Wilson, thanks for being here. I appreciate it.
Joining me now, Matt Taibbi, contributing editor for "Rolling Stone" magazine.
Here`s -- you know, what I think is fascinating, this guy has operated his entire career without having to show his work, or show his bank account or show his ledger, right? And now, all of a sudden, he`s up against FEC reports.
MATT TAIBBI, ROLLING STONE: Right.
HAYES: And so, it`s like, you can`t play three-card Monty with the FEC reports.
TAIBBI: Right. But I would pump the brakes a little bit on making too much of the fact that he`s not raising a ton of money. In some ways, that could be construed as a positive by the people who vote for Donald Trump.
His whole platform is based on the idea that he`s not out there soliciting $400,000 a head donations. So, the fact that he`s not, you know, pulling in tons and tons of money right now, he can turn that into a positive PR- wise if he wants.
HAYES: You know, it was interesting. We had a conversation about how many people would tell you he`s not in the pocket of big money, the huge part of his appeal.
HAYES: But it seems to me, he risks getting caught in the worst possible position, which is desperately trying to raise money, so he can`t brag that anymore.
HAYES: But not raising enough of it.
TAIBBI: Right. And, of course, the reality of running for president in this country, if he doesn`t have enough money to do it on his own, he`s going to have to raise money from somewhere, and probably, he`s not going to be able to do it the way that Bernie Sanders, for instance, did it, through a gigantic, massive, nationwide, you know, grassroots organization.
HAYES: Cultivated, sophisticated, gone to over again.
TAIBBI: There is no political organization in the Trump campaign. There`s no war room or nerve center. The Trump campaign is Donald Trump.
It was so funny for him to talk about how, I look at all these crowds and I wonder why I`m not winning. It`s a perfect metaphor. He doesn`t have a ground game out there telling him who`s voting, how many people are voting. It`s all up in his own head.
And at some point, you have to do more than tweet and speak, probably, to win an election.
HAYES: You did a great piece on the ground with the campaign rallies in Iowa. I want to play you this moment in his rally from Manchester, New Hampshire. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why aren`t we putting our retiree, our military retirees on that board or in TSA? Get rid of all these heebie-jeebies they wear at TSA. I`ve seen them myself.
TRUMP: I understand.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need the veterans back in there to take it. They`ve fought for this country and defended it. They`ll still do it. Thank you.
TRUMP: You know, and we are looking at that. We are looking at a lot of things.
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HAYES: I think that woman was mangling the reference of the Muslim women who wear the headscarf. But he says we`re looking at that to anything you say to him.
TAIBBI: Right, right, of course. I mean, that was very different from the sort of McCain moment from the 2008 campaign where he confronted somebody who said something ignorant like that. Trump, of course, is never going to do that.
But you know, look, he`s doing what he`s doing, and it looks like a dumpster fire right now and the media is making a huge deal of what a mess his campaign is, but 45-39, considering how crazy his campaign is, isn`t that bad. Mike Dukakis was ahead 17 points at this point.
HAYES: You raise a point, this guy has done in the last six weeks, everything wrong you could possibly do and he`s at the floor, which is basically 40 percent.
HAYES: Forty percent is a very high floor. People have to remember the way elections work in this country.
HAYES: Matt Taibbi, if you got nominated to be president from one of the two major parties, you`d have 40 percent.
TAIBBI: Actually, I doubt it. I think Donald Trump, the fact that is, his support is insoluble. And one of few events here -- in one way or other, a terrorist attack, you know, something going on with one of Hillary`s scandals, as bad as it looks right now, it`s still within reach.
HAYES: Important point.
Matt Taibbi, thanks for your time. Appreciate it.
Still to come, Donald Trump`s ugly attacks on Elizabeth Warren are nothing new. Tonight, his history of profiling Native Americans. Some unbelievable footage ahead.
But, first, Vice President Biden drops a bit of a bombshell, saying that Bernie Sanders personally told him he would endorse Hillary Clinton. I`m going to ask Senator Sanders about that claim, next.
HAYES: For three days in a row now, ever since he gave a scripted policy speech in an aluminum factor, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has been focusing more than ever on one issue -- trade. Pretty clear the Trump campaign thinks this is the best issue they have. Trump has criticized Hillary Clinton for being married to the man who signed NAFTA and for being less than convincing in her opposition to TPP.
And Trump explicitly says he agrees with Bernie Sanders on trade, trying to drive a wedge between Sanders supporters and Hillary Clinton.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have to say one thing about Bernie, and he -- you know, he`ll be nasty and say, "Oh, I`d never vote for Trump," but that`s OK. I know what he thinks inside. He hates her. He hates her.
You wouldn`t think this, but there is one thing that Bernie Sanders and I are in complete accord with, and that`s trade. He said we`re being ripped off, I say we`re being ripped off. I`ve been saying it for years, he`s been saying it for years.
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HAYES: And who better to respond to that than Senator Bernie Sanders, Democratic candidate for president.
All right, Senator. Two claims made there. I`ll take them in order. Number one, Donald Trump says, whatever you say, you hate Hillary Clinton. Is that true?
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I know, he has read my mind. What a man, what a genius.
No, the answer is, of course, Trump is lying as he always does. No, I do not hate Secretary Clinton. I`ve known her for 25 years. I have a lot of respect for her. We`ve worked together.
We have disagreements on issues, but to say that I hate her is absolutely untrue.
HAYES: OK. The second thing, though, and I -- it`s been -- I can only imagine how interesting you find this, given that how interesting I find it. All of a sudden, Donald Trump, great crusader for better trade practices, the great hope for working America, he says he`s just picking up your mantel, you guys agree entirely, what say you to that?
SANDERS: Well, is this before or after his companies manufacturing clothing in Bangladesh and in China and in other low-wage countries? He`s now come to the conclusion that our trade policies are failing.
The truth is, you know, for many, many years, what I have understood, what I think most workers in this country have understood, what environmentalists have understood is that, in fact, our trade policies, from NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, to the TPP -- these are not policies that benefit the middle class and working families. What they have done to a very significant degree have enabled large corporations to shut down in this country, throw American workers out on the street and move to low-wage nations.
And, by the way, Chris, in addition, it`s led to a race to the bottom, where workers are often given the choice of taking cuts in pay or health care or seeing their factories move abroad.
So, I think we have to rethink in a fundamental way, our unfettered free trade policies and move toward fair trade policies.
HAYES: I want to talk about TPP, particularly as it pertains to the platform. Before we get to that, though, we have this tweet from Rachel Martin of NPR, who said in an interview conducted with Vice President Biden, he just said, "I`ve talked to Bernie. Bernie is going to endorse her." Her being Hillary Clinton.
Is this true?
SANDERS: I talked to Joe, I think it was three weeks ago.
Look, on that issue, we are trying to work with Secretary Clinton`s campaign on areas that we can agree on, where the people who supported me, we`ve got 12 million, 13 million votes. And what they want to see, whether it is on making moving toward making public colleges and universities tuition-free, or moving very aggressively in terms of health care and moving toward a universal health care system, significantly expanding primary health care, those are the issues that we`re working with Secretary Clinton on now and I hope we can be successful.
HAYES: But there is a difference. You`ve made a distinction between voting and endorsing, right? And we`ve seen, for instance, Elizabeth Warren, who did not endorse during the primary. She has endorsed.
And that endorsement isn`t just "I`m going to vote for Hillary Clinton". She`s been on the stump. She`s been affirmatively praising her.
Is that something you can see yourself doing, or is it just the case that you`re never going to come to enough policy agreement with Hillary Clinton that you will ever be in that position?
SANDERS: Well, Chris, let me back it up, by saying, I`m going to do everything that I can to defeat Donald Trump. I think for a variety of reasons.
Number one, he`s a pathological liar. That`s not a good quality to have in a president. Number two, he wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top 2/10 of 1 percent by repealing the estate tax. He thinks that climate change is a hoax.
And maybe most importantly, we cannot have a president who goes around insulting Mexicans, and Latinos, and Muslims, and women and African Americans. I mean, that`s outrageous.
So, I`m going to do everything that I can to see that Donald Trump is defeated. I --
HAYES: What if "everything I can" means going to rallies and doing -- I mean, doing the kind of thing that is standard part of endorsing a party nominee? Is that in that category of "everything you can"?
SANDERS: Well, I think -- as I`ve just said, I mean, it`s not great secret. We`re trying to do everything we can right now to make the Democratic platform, the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic Party.
And, by the way, we`re having good success. I want to see that continue as the full committee meets in Orlando. We are working. I mean, as we speak, we are working with the Clinton campaign, trying to be able to come forward and say to my supporters out there, you know what, here`s the progress that we have made. Hear what Secretary Clinton is saying on this issue and that issue that means a whole lot to you.
So I hope we can reach that goal. We are not there at this moment.
HAYES: OK, one issue outstanding and here`s -- what I`m hearing from you is basically the platform is very important to you, substantively. It`s a substantive commitment of where the Democratic Party`s at. You feel that you`ve made progress. There are a number of things. For instance, opposition to the death penalty, which hasn`t gotten a lot of attention but is a pretty big change for the Democratic Party.
SANDERS: That`s right. Wall Street, we got language in there that would call for the break-up of banks and the re-establishment of Glass-Steagall. That`s a pretty big deal.
HAYES: Right. So, there`s been -- there have been some very significant substantive victories. One area that was defeated was an anti-Trans Pacific Partnership plank in the platform. And I want to read to you the account from "The Washington Post" which seems to be credible but would like to get your response.
They said, "According to the people with knowledge of the platform negotiations, Sanders used his post-primary meeting with the president to say he would push for the party to officially oppose TPP. The president said he would not allow it. And since then, the White House has leaned on key Democrats to make sure the platform did not include a rebuke."
Is that an accurate characterization of what happened between you and the president?
SANDERS: Well, I don`t want to talk about a discussion that I had with the president. It`s not great secret that President Obama who I am very fond of, I have worked with him and supported him on so many issues and I think this country will owe him a deep debt of gratitude when he leaves office for all that he has accomplished.
On this issue, we have a fundamental disagreement. I think TPP is a continuation of disastrous trade policies of the past and I`m not just -- this is not just Bernie Sanders, this is every trade union in America, virtually every environmental group, groups like Doctors Without Borders, who understand that TPP will mean higher prescription drug costs for some of the poorest people in the world, who will die because they can`t get the generic medicine that they need.
So I am very strongly opposed to the TPP. And in a democratic society, people can have differences of opinion. That`s kind of, you know, a United States senator can disagree on an issue with the president.
HAYES: I`m going to ask you just one more time on this Biden quote. He said you talked to him and you said you would endorse Hillary Clinton. Is that accurate? Is Joe Biden telling the truth, or is this a loose interpretation of what you said?
SANDERS: Wait -- well, Joe and I talked about three weeks ago and as I said, right now, my hope is that we can reach an agreement on some very important issues and I can go forward to the millions of people who supported me and say, look, this is the progress you`ve made, this is where we`re going to go as a country.
So I hope it happens. As of this moment, we`re not there quite yet.
HAYES: All right. Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you for your time tonight. I appreciate it.
SANDERS: Thank you, Chris.
HAYES: Up next, Donald Trump tells his surrogate not to apologize for his offensive gesture at a rally. Now there`s more than a few problems with Trump`s reasoning, but there`s one in particular we think you will want to hear. I will explain after this short break.
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HOWIE CARR, TALK RADIO PERSONALITY: I heard Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren campaigning. You know Elizabeth Warren, right?
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HAYES: Talk radio personality Howie Carr speaking at a Trump rally yesterday in Bangor, Maine, adopting the offensive cry that`s been used to mock Elizabeth Warren over her claim to Native American heritage.
Critics say she made up that claim to gain an unfair advantage when applying to teach law at Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania. Warren has never documented any native lineage but she says it was a long- passed down family lore. Both schools have said it was not a factor in her hiring.
Nevertheless, Donald Trump has taken up that line of attack on the campaign trail, often referring to Warren perhaps his fiercest antagonist, as Pocahontas. And according to Howie Carr, in his column to the "Boston Herald", Trump urged Carr to defy the outrage over his performance.
Quote, "Whatever you do, don`t apologize. You never hear me apologize, do you? That`s what killed Jimmy the Greek way back. Remember? He was doing OK until he said he was sorry."
Jimmy the Greek, for those of you who are unfamiliar, is a commentator for CBS Sports who lost his job in 1998 over comments that were deemed racially insensitive.
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JIMMY "THE GREEK" SNYDER, FORMER CBS SPORTS COMMENTATOR: The black is the better athlete and he`s bred to be the better athlete because this goes back during the civil war. When during the slave trading, the big -- the owner, the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman, so that he could have a big, black kid.
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HAYES: His real mistake, according to Trump, was apologizing.
Trump returned to the theme of Elizabeth Warren`s heritage in an interview this morning, repeating the debunked claim that it helped her get hired.
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TRUMP: She used her Native American, so-called phony Native American status to get into institutions and to help her career, and I always say that I have more Native American blood in me than she does, OK? And I bet you do too.
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HAYES: All right. It turns out, this was not the first time Trump claimed himself an expert on who is and is not a Native American. Back in 1993, visiting Washington to testify before a congressional hearing, he said this:
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TRUM: They don`t look like Indians to me, and they don`t look like Indians. Maybe we say politically correct or not politically correct, they don`t look like Indians to me and they don`t look like Indians to Indians.
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HAYES: The back story to that statement, next.
HAYES: In 1993 Donald Trump`s gambling empire was on shaky ground. His three casinos in Atlantic City had all just emerged from bankruptcy and only a year before some tough new competition arrived on the scene: Foxwood`s, a Native American-owned casino in nearby Connecticut.
Under federal law, Native Americans don`t pay taxes on casinos located on their land. And in 1993, Trump sued the government alleging the law gave an unfair advantage to a certain class of citizens. Later that year, Trump was called to testify before a House subcommittee on Native American affairs. And he got into a heated exchange when Congressman George Miller, Democrat from California.
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REP. GEORGE MILLER, (D) CALIFORNIA: Is this you discussing Indian blood? We`re going to judge people by whether they have Indian blood, whether they`re qualified to run a gaming casino or not?
TRUMP: That probably is me, absolutely, because I`ll tell you what, if you look at some of the reservations that you`ve approved, you, sir, in your great wisdom have approved, I will tell you right now, they don`t look like Indians to me. And they don`t look like the Indians, now maybe we say politically correct or not politically correct, they don`t look like Indians to me and they don`t look like Indians to Indians and a lot of people are laughing at it, and you`re telling how tough it is, how rough it is to get approved. when you go up to Connecticut and you look, they don`t look like Indians to me, sir.
MILLER: Thank god that`s not the test of whether or not people have rights in this country, whether or not they pass your look test.
TRUMP: Depends whether or not you`re approving it, sir.
MILLER: No. No. It`s not a question of whether I`m approving it. It`s not a question of whether I`m approving it. Mr. Trump, do you know in the history of this country where we`ve had this discussion before? They don`t look Jewish to me.
TRUMP: Oh, really.
MILLER: They don`t look Indian to me. They don`t look Italian to me. And that was a test for whether people could go into business, or not go into business, whether they could get a bank loan, you`re too black, you`re not black enough.
TRUMP: I want to find out.
Well, then why are you -- you`re approving for Indian. Why don`t you approve it for everybody, then, sir? If your case is non-discriminatory, why don`t you approve for everybody? You`re saying only Indians -- wait a minute, sir. You`re saying only Indians can have the reservations, only Indians can have the gaming. So why aren`t you approving it for everybody? Why are you being discriminatory? Why is it that the Indians don`t pay tax, but everybody else does? I do.
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HAYES: I`m joined now by Gyasi Ross, a member of the Blackfeet Nation, editor-at-large of the Indian Country Today Media Network. And Gyasi, I -- that exchange to me was so striking because this has been the whole -- he seems obsessed with this shtick for the last few weeks, about he is the great determiner of who has what ancestry.
GYASI ROSS, INDIAN COUNTRY, TODAY MEDIA NETWORK: Yeah, this is not a new script at all. I mean -- for, in many ways, native people have historically served as the canary in the coal mine in regards to racial relations. And this is no different. Where you see him performing exactly the same shtick amongst our Muslim brothers and sisters, as well as Hispanic Americans. And you know obviously now he`s the authority on native ancestry and native authenticity in regards to Elizabeth Warren.
The truth is that as the editor of Indian Country Today Media Network and as somebody who works within many of our communities and social media as well, that I`ve never seen Donald Trump in any of our communities. And so it`s preposterous, it`s stupid, it`s Trumponian in its scope that he`s making assertions that somehow he`s an authority.
ANDERSON: It also is the case, it seems to me that part of this you see in this committee, in the story of his casinos doing bad in Atlantic City, because these people got something, kind of the story of the whole grievance that he personally seems animated by, that has expanded out to so many groups, as you listen to how he campaigns.
ROSS: It`s absolutely amazing.
You know, the United States government, as a matter of documented historical fact, kidnapped native children and had a policy of kill the Indian, save the man. The United States government killed our food supply so they could wage all-out war against our communities many times. The United States government through the IHS, the Indian Health Services, forcefully performed tubal ligations on native women, but yet it was somehow the wealthy white man that was being picked on and discriminated against according to this lawsuit.
ANDERSON: What is your feeling, as someone active in your particular community, watching the rise of this figure? Particularly the fact that he has this guy doing a war whoop in introducing him, but the way that he sort of talked about so many different groups.
ROSS: Yeah. Well, it`s not a surprise. And I think that we have to be very clear that Donald Trump is just a symbol for an antiquated, outdated mode of thought that unfortunately still exists and is still very prominent. It was prominent enough to -- sometimes we feel like we`re picking on Donald Trump for having these outlandish positions and we talk about him every single day, and it seems like he`s such an easy target, but the truth is that he is running for president. He is the Republican nominee. And so that means there are people who legitimately believe in this man`s platform, this hateful nonsense that he espouses.
HAYES: All right. Gyasi Ross, thank you very much, really appreciate it.
ROSS: Thank you very much.
HAYES: Still to come, we`ve shown you the real dangers of climate change threatening two remote areas of the country. Well, tonight we take you to Miami. The effects we found right in the streets and you do not want to miss that report.
HAYES: We bring you our story last night on the effect climate change is having on the northernmost city in the country. We travel from New York to Barrow, Alaska all the way at the top of the continent.
And once there, we went on the shore fast ice where whaling crews gather along the Arctic Ocean. It was peaceful and surprisingly quiet as we stood there on the edge of the ice. But under the surface, it`s an entirely different story. As we found out when, with the help of the whaling crew and their families, we tossed a GoPro into the Arctic Ocean. Here`s what it picked up.
HAYES: What in the world is making all those bizarre noises deep in the Arctic Ocean? The answer, in 60 seconds.
ANDERSON: We had no idea what on Earth was making the incredibly loud, haunting sounds that our GoPro microphone picked up in the Arctic Ocean on May 1st. So, we asked oceanographer Kate Stafford with the University of Washington to tell us.
KATE STAFFORD, UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON: So the first sounds you`re hearing, the crunching sounds, are someone walking on the ice, and in the background are low frequency uptweets and moans of a Bowhead whale song, and now a bearded seal is starting a trill, and at the same time, you hear this whoop whoop of a Bowhead while bearded seals are trilling in the background.
This is a display made by male bearded seals in the spring that is thought to be a reproductive display.
There`s the Bowhead starting again and a second bearded seal is coming into the sound now. And now a third bearded seal. And more ice crunching, someone walking or moving on the ice. Sounds transmits very well from the ice into the water.
The wee wee is the Bowhead and another bearded seal that just started. This is a particularly long one trill that lasts almost two minutes.
That`s a second bearded seal starting.
So, in this recording there at least four bearded seal at different distances from the GoPro that are all making sounds at the same time.
HAYES: So all of that incredible cacophony that sounded like nothing we in the office had ever heard before, sounds like it was just five different animals, four nearby bearded seals and one Bowhead whale in the distance.
Still ahead, we move from Alaska to Miami to see the effects of climate change there. But first, the zip line that didn`t quite make it to 10 Downing Street next.
HAYES: Today, improbably, the UK witnessed its second Brexit in less than a week. In a truly stunning announcement, the face of the movement to leave the EU and pseudo populist lawmaker, thought to be a clear front- runner to replace David Cameron, that man, Boris Johnson, opted out for the race for prime minister.
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BORIS JOHNSON, FRM. MAYOR OF LONDON: Let us seize this chance and make this our moment to stand tall in the world. That is the agenda for the next prime minister of this country.
While I must tell you, my friends, you who have waited faithfully for the punchline of this speech, that having consulted colleagues, and in view of the circumstances in parliament, I have concluded that person cannot be me.
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HAYES: So, after securing a shocking upset victory from the Brexit referendum, why is Boris Johnson now not running? The reason perhaps the most favorable to Johnson is that he was boxed out, backstabbed by a key ally, Michael Gove, who earlier today revoked support for him and declared he was running for prime minister himself.
But not everyone is buying the accusation that Johnson was out-maneuvered, including Lord Michael Hezeltine who accused him of simply running for the hills in the wake of the Brexit vote.
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LORD MICHAEL HESELTINE: He`s ripped the party apart, he`s created the greatest constitutional crisis of modern times. He`s knocked billions off the value of the nation`s savings. He`s like a general that led his army to the sound of guns and at the site of the battlefield, abandoned the field.
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HAYES: Ouch. Or to put it more succinctly, if you Brexit, you bought it.
HAYES: This week we showed you the effect of climate change on a small island in the bayous of Louisiana and in a remote city on the northern coast of Alaska.
Tonight, we`re going to take you to a major American metropolis, Miami, Florida. The signs of climate change are already there for all to see as salt water bubbles up through storm drains during seasonal high tides, flooding made worse by sea level rise.
And the people in Miami are now starting to reckon with what the rising seas will do and is doing to the city they love.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are starting to focus on what`s happening in Miami because we`re seeing it first, and we`re seeing kind of the most extreme cases here, but ultimately, we are the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the country.
HAYES: Miami, Florida, is booming. It`s one of the world`s great coastal destinations. From the Art Deco wonderland of Miami Beach, with its iconic hotels and pristine beaches to the ever expanding skyline and towering condos, the storied coastline, opulent estates and picturesque water fronts.
Today, it has never been more popular, or more vulnerable.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I suppose for our great great grandkids, this will be a great snorkeling site. This is our new shallow marine environment coming up, and people that are denying that are saying it`s all going to be okay, they don`t get it yet.
HAYES: The cities of Miami and Miami Beach are separated by Biscayne Bay. The ocean is what attracts millions of people to live and vacation here. And it is the ocean that will ultimately drive people out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The present U.S. government forecast for a sea level rise this century, with accelerating ice melt is between 4.1 and 6.6 feet. That`s unbelievable.
HAYES: Those kinds of projections will not only threaten South Florida`s coastlines, but radically change them. Most of the region is at or near sea level.
UNIDENTFIED MALE: When you fly into Miami International Airport, you`re actually flying into what was the everglades. So we`ve really modified the land. We`re very low, less than 9 percent of Miami-Dade County is greater than ten feet above sea level.
HAYES: Adding to the problem, most of South Florida is built on porous limestone, which allows water to move around easily and seep up through the ground. Flooding happens often here, and not just when it`s raining.
Seasonal high tides occur when the sun, Earth and moon align leading to flooding, made worse by sea level rise.
UNIDENITIFIED MALE: You can see that every day when you go into Miami Beach. At least in October, we will have four or five extreme flooding events when the sky is clear. It`s just coming up the sewer drains, flooding from sea level rise. That`s an impact that we`re seeing already today.
HAYES: The city of Miami Beach is already adapting. It plans on spending hundreds of millions of dollars on re-engineering infrastructure vulnerable to flooding. That means literally raising the roads.
PHILIP LEVINE, MAYOR MIAMI BEACH: This is actually where the original road was built. It was much lower and it used to flood consistently. Now we`re standing on the new road, which is much higher, multiple feet higher, which is completely dry and of course has pumps as well.
HAYES: Mayor Philip Levine campaigned on the issue of flooding in Miami Beach, even starring in an ad showing him paddling through the streets in an improvised kayak.
LEVINE: And I`m just not sure how much more of this Earl and I can take.
HAYES: But even as Levine battles the rising seas, he`s welcoming the developers.
LEVINE: There`s no market reaction negatively about sea level rise. And Miami Beach we`re doing something very progressive, very pragmatic, and world is listening to us and they`re all coming here in droves.
HAYES: And it`s not just Miami Beach, South Florida is one of the fastest growing regions in the country, home to six million people. And over the past five years, the city of Miami has undergone a multibillion dollar, skyline altering development boom.
WAYNE PATHMAN, ATTORNEY: We`ve had probably the most significant urban development in Miami, probably unprecedented in terms of valuation, of what`s being created and the dollars that are being spent, and the value of the properties that we`ve never seen before.
HAYES: Meanwhile, a record-breaking number of people visited the area last year. That`s a good thing. The economy depends on it.
PATHMAN: Tourism is our main industry. And we don`t have state income tax. In South Florida, tourism and property taxes are the main source of revenue for our communities.
HAYES: But much of that property is at risk. Hundreds of billions of dollars of assets are currently exposed to the rising seas, billions more will be threatened in the coming decades regardless of whether greenhouse gas emissions are lowered.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve put a certain amount of CO2 into the atmosphere, that`s warmed the oceans and the atmosphere and that`s going to persist for the next 25 years or so, maybe even a little bit longer. So, we`ve made a commitment, it`s already going to happen. And so we have to adapt to that.
UNIDENITIFEID MALE: Day to day, there isn`t anywhere prettier to live, believe me. But we have to start honestly and transparently planning for the future. So many elected officials are afraid to look at the truth because they`re frightened about property values, which equal taxes to do their things, including upgrading the infrastructure.
But we should be honestly warning people.
UNIDENITIFIED FEMALE (through translator): And where do you live? Here, in this building?
UNIDENITIFIED MALE (through translator): Yes. Upstairs.
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HAYES: Nicole Hernandez-Hammer (ph) is trying to sound the alarm.
UNIDENITIFIED FEMALE: Hi, good morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: we`ll still get water back here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, is this rainwater, or is this water always here as well?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This water is always here as well.
HAYES: As part of an effort from the Union of Concerned Scientists, she visits low-lying, low-income areas and talks to residents about how sea level rise is affecting them and how they can adapt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sometimes I feel like it would have been great for me to take more, you know, psychology courses or sociology courses to be able to deliver this information, because it`s not -- it`s not good information. And, you know, it`s hard news to share.
HAYES: Part of her job is to visit places like Liberty City, one of the poorest neighborhoods in Miami, developed at about ten feet above sea level. People here are worried about what happens to them when affluent beach communities start looking around for higher ground?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, because we`re on high level. I mean, we`re what you call prime property, prime land, right? And so definitely, if you can afford to live on South Beach, definitely you can afford to live in Liberty City.
HAYES: But the bigger concern for the future, maybe whether people can continue to live in South Florida at all.
UNIDENIFIED FEMALE: When I talk about sea level rise projections, even the most conservative projections are grim. And so for me, that`s been probably the hardest part of what I do, but I feel like those are necessary conversations to have, because people need to be able to know what we are truly dealing with, and so that they can ultimately decide if they`re able to be a part of making that community resilient, or if they need to move their family elsewhere, in order to be able to keep going.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At some point, maybe around the middle of the century or just beyond, we as a people will become afraid of the ocean and we`ll probably be helped along with that by lack of mortgages and a lack of insurance. It`s going to be a challenge. And we should plan for that, because otherwise we become a bunch of Okies who can`t sell our house, that was our retirement income, we now have nothing. Now we`re just on the road, or on the boat or something going north, hoping we can find a place to start over.
HAYES: Many sea level rise experts say current adaptation projects like a series of underground pumps being installed in Miami Beach will likely be submerged by rising water in the years to come.
Miami Beach`s mayor says future innovation will help in the fight against sea level rise. And speaking of future innovation, tomorrow night, my exclusive conversation with Secretary of State John Kerry on the solutions he sees to fighting climate change, like revolutionizing our energy sector.
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JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: I don`t believe government is going to solve this problem. I believe the private sector is going to solve it. Great entrepreneurs and people of daring and creativity that will make a hell of a lot of money, because this is going to be the biggest market the world has ever seen.
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HAYES: Much more on my conversation with Secretary Kerry tomorrow night.
That is All In for this evening.
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