Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: June 29, 2016 Guest: Barry Bennett, Peter Mansoor, Liz Plank, Rukmini Callimachi (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN -- BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We are stronger when we come together and work toward a better world together. HAYES: The president responds to terror in Turkey and so does Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We have to fight so viciously and violently, because we`re dealing with violent people, vicious people. HAYES: Tonight, fear and voting. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know some other people who won`t be voting this year either. HAYES: And all the fall-out from the presumptive Republican nominee`s promise to bring back torture. TURMP: Torture works, okay, folks. HAYES: And then, the president`s North American Summit devolves into a global therapy session on Trump. REPORTER: President Pena Nieto, in March, you compared Mr. Trump to Hitler and Mussolini. I`m wondering if you still stand by that. HAYES: Can Iron Mike Tyson upend the plot to stop Trump in Cleveland? And the clear and present danger of climate change. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spring is coming a lot sooner. It`s warmer and everything is melting quicker. HAYES: Our special report from Alaska when ALL IN starts right now. (END VIDEOTAPE) HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. One day after the deadly terrorist attack on an international airport in Istanbul, Turkey, Donald Trump is showing once again, the new and improved general election Trump is not that different from the old Trump. He still supports committing war crimes in the fight against terrorism. Ataturk airport reopened its doors this morning, hours after three attackers opened fire on a security checkpoint and detonated suicide bombs in the terminal and in a parking lot, leaving a total of 41 people dead and over 230 people injured. At this point, no group has claimed responsibility for the attack, the latest in a string of mass casualty attacks in Turkey over the past year. But according to the Turkish prime minister, it appears to have been carried out by ISIS. That`s an idea supported by a senior intelligence told NBC News, the attack fit the ISIS profile. On a trip to Canada today, where he met with the Canadian prime minister and the president of Mexico, President Obama offered condolences to the Turkish people and outlined the U.S. response. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) OBAMA: We`re still learning all the facts, but we know this is part of our broader, shared fight against terrorist networks, and we will continue to work closely with Turkey to root them out. And meanwhile, we`re going to do what`s necessary to protect our people. I`m confident that we can and we will defeat those who offer only death and destruction, and we will always remember, even as there are those who are trying to divide us, that we are stronger when we come together and work toward a better world together. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: That last remark could be taken as a jab at the presumptive Republican nominee who President Obama excoriated two weeks ago for his Islamophobic and incendiary response to the massacre in Orlando. Trump`s reaction to Istanbul attack has been not that different. At a rally last night in Ohio, he reiterated his call for the U.S. to use waterboarding and urge this country to take a page from the ISIS playbook. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS) TRUMP: They say, "What do you think about waterboarding?" I said, "I like it a lot, I don`t think it`s tough enough." We have to be so strong. We have to fight so viciously and violently, because we`re dealing with violent people -- vicious people. We have laws. And laws say you can`t do this, you can`t do that, you can`t do a lot, right? Their laws say you can do anything they want, and the more vicious you are, the better. So, we can`t do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads, drown people in steel cages. They can do whatever they want to do. They probably think we`re weak, we`re stupid, we don`t know what we`re doing, we have no leadership. You know, you have to fight fire with fire. (END VIDEO CLIPS) HAYES: This is not the first time Trump has endorsed waterboarding and other forms of torture or war crimes, far from it. Throughout his presidential campaign, he`s shown an eagerness to engage in various war crimes. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS) TRUMP: We`re fighting a very politically correct war. The other thing is, with the terrorists, you have to take out their families. When you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. Don`t tell me it doesn`t work. Torture works. OK, folks? Torture - - you know, I have these guys -- torture doesn`t work. Believe me, it works, OK? They asked me the question, what do you think of waterboarding? Absolutely fine. We should go much stronger than waterboarding. MODERATOR: What would you do as commander-in-chief if the U.S. military refused to carry out those orders? TRUMP: They won`t refuse. They`re not going to refuse me, believe me. (END VIDEO CLIPS) HAYES: Trump`s latest comments on this theme were soundly condemns by a member of his own party, someone who knows a thing or two about torture. At an event in Washington today, Trump supporter and one-time prisoner of war, John McCain, sounded off on Trump`s support for waterboarding. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: According to the Geneva Conventions, it`s a war crime. But perhaps more importantly than that, if you`re not into academics and history is, it doesn`t work. If you inflict enough pain on someone, that person will tell you whatever they think that you want to hear in order to make the pain stop. It`s not the United States of America. It`s not what we are all about. It`s not what we are. It`s not about them. It`s about us. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: I`m joined now by Barry Bennett, senior advisor to Trump`s campaign, and retired Army Colonel Peter Mansoor, former top aide to General David Petraeus, and now teaches military history at Ohio State University. Barry, Mr. Bennett, let me start with you. I`m unclear on what is being called for here. Your candidate has said time and time again, more than waterboarding, tougher. Last night, he talked about ISIS drowning people in cages and beheading people. ISIS, obviously, crucifies people, throws people off towers, engages in massacres. Are these the kinds of things that Donald Trump is calling for the U.S. army to engage in? BARRY BENNETT, TRUMP SENIOR ADVISOR: First of all, I don`t speak for the campaign. But gosh, I hope not. You know, we certainly can be tougher. Torture is a line I personally wouldn`t cross. But we can argue whether or not waterboarding is torture. I think there are plenty of legal definitions that say it isn`t. But I wouldn`t call for torture. HAYES: So then, what do you think when you hear Mr. Trump calling for torture? BENNETT: I think that they need to rethink that. HAYES: Colonel, you have been fairly outspoken about particularly that moment in the debate when Mr. Trump said he would be ordering American military members to engage in this kind of stuff. What`s your reaction to what he said yesterday about ISIS? COL. PETER MANSOOR (RET.), U.S. ARMY: You know, he`s doubling down on a morally corrupt policy. Torture is a war crime and waterboarding is torture. And there`s no ifs, ands, and buts about it. You can`t parse this into finer grains of sands. You know, the U.S. Army and the military simply will not follow orders to torture prisoners. The CIA probably would not at this point either, given the history of waterboarding after 9/11. And if the presumptive Republican nominee thinks that torture works, he simply doesn`t understand history. It does not work, and in fact, most people -- most interrogators will tell you that more legitimate methods actually get you better results. So what Trump is doing is just putting the United States of America on the same moral plain as ISIS, which is exactly what ISIS wants, which tells me that Donald Trump`s not fit to be president of the United States. HAYES: Mr. Bennett, there are lots of people who use that terminology specifically and they use that terminology specifically about Donald Trump in the wake of, say, Orlando, and the speech that he gave about Americans of the Muslim faith. What do you think when people say, this is not a person who is fit to be president? BENNETT: Well, I think they`re completely wrong, first of all. If you look at the -- there`s a poll out tonight by FOX. And the interesting thing about the poll was, you know, a month ago, people thought America was winning the war on terror by over 20 points. And tonight, they say it`s statistically tied. So, it`s becoming a bigger and bigger issue in America. People are afraid, and they`re looking for some leadership. You know, I think that he can offer that leadership. Like I said, I`m not prepared to go for torture. But I think that we need to be stronger, we need to be tougher. HAYES: OK. BENNETT: And we need to figure out how to do that as a country. HAYES: Mr. Bennett, with respect, you`re saying he can offer leadership. Moments ago, you said you would not advocate for torture. He`s advocated for killing the families of people that we believe are terrorists. He, last night, seemed to call for anything that is does as being open. That`s a kind of leadership. The question is, whether that`s appropriate leadership. If you`re saying it`s not -- I mean, why is it so strange that other people have come to that same conclusion? BENNETT: Well, I think what I hear him saying is, we need to get tougher, right? That`s what I`m for. HAYES: But what does that mean? That`s a great word. What does that mean? BENNETT: I think that we cannot win a politically correct war. HAYES: What does that mean? BENNETT: It means when he talks about Muslims, you said he`s talking about American Muslims. That`s not what he`s talking about and you know that. We cannot continue to allow 100,000 people a year to come into this country who we know nothing about. Nothing. HAYES: Wait a second, when I said that he`s talking about American Muslims, I`m talking about a speech that he gave, in which specifically talking about American Muslims, quote, "knowing where the terrorists were." That was the speech he gave about that topic. BENNETT: Yes, he wasn`t saying they were necessarily all Americans. HAYES: Colonel, what do those terms mean to you? Get tough and a politically correct war mean? Do those have meanings to you as someone who teaches military history, who work in Iraq for David Petraeus? BENNETT: They are volatile sound bites meant for a domestic audience. They have no reality when it comes to policy for waging a war against ISIS. You know, I`d have more respect for Trump if he said ISIS is really bad and we need to get tougher with it. So I`m going to increase the air campaign on the level of Desert Storm, for instance. I`m going to put American ground troops into Turkey and Jordan in order to fight ISIS. I`m going to create a no-fly zone over Syria. These are concrete policies that we can argue about whether they`d be effective or not and whether we want to do it, but they would be at least concrete military actions that we could take. Saying we`re just going to torture and we`re going to prevent Muslims from coming into the country and the other sorts of things, we`re going to bomb the terrorist families, those are sound bites that have no basis in fundamental policy that could do anything to destroy ISIS. HAYES: Mr. Bennett, is it your understanding that Turkey`s repeated victimization by ISIS over the last year is a product of Erdogan, the head of that country, being not tough enough or being too politically correct? Is that why Turkey`s getting hit, because Erdogan is not a tough enough guy? BENNETT: Well, I think that Turkey has been very active in Syria, and there`s probably a lot of animosity, certainly in the region about that. The fact that they have the U.S. air base there. They have certainly become a target because of that. But they`ve been very active in Syria and trying to deal with ISIS in Syria. HAYES: Right. But this is a place in which civil liberties have been drastically curtailed. The press has been put on lock down. There`s been some very strong -- BENNETT: If you`re looking for civil liberties, the Middle East is not someplace to go to look for civil liberties. HAYES: Right, but I`m saying that the idea -- the theory that Turkey is being hit because essentially they`re too soft or too open or not tough enough, doesn`t seem like a plausible theory for what`s happening there. BENNETT: No, I think they`re getting hit because they chose a side. HAYES: Right. Colonel, is there a way, having worked in Iraq during counterinsurgency and having seen the arc of this organization and ISIS sort of metastasize -- is there a solution? MANSOOR: Well, ISIS needs to be destroyed in a military sense, which is happening very slowly now, not quick enough in my view, but it`s happening slowly. But to prevent another is, son of ISIS, if you will, from emerging, there has to be a political solution that the Sunni inhabitants of Iraq and Syria can live with. And this is what is not being addressed right now. It`s not being addressed in Baghdad, certainly not being addressed in Damascus, and I have no idea whether Washington is considering it or not. But until the -- HAYES: Colonel, you continue. I`m sorry. MANSOOR: Until the Sunni inhabitants of the region come to the conclusion that ISIS or some organization like that is not the solution, we`ll continue to have these problems there in the region. HAYES: Mr. Bennett, I just want to follow-up on one thing. You said 100,000 people coming into the country that we don`t know where they`re from. What`s that a reference to? BENNETT: We know where they`re from, but we don`t know anything about them. You know -- HAYES: Where is that number from? Who does that mean? BENNETT: The visas are granted to 100,000 people from the Middle East. HAYES: You mean total, work, student, the entire category? BENNETT: Yes, yes. HAYES: And those are the people that you think bear a threat? BENNETT: I don`t know. That`s the problem, we don`t know. I mean, there`s no database. There`s no finger print database. HAYES: Let me ask you this. BENNETT: There`s no criminal database for people from Syria. HAYES: As someone who has advised this campaign, are there people inside there who can say, you`re wrong on torture, Mr. Trump? BENNETT: Yes, sure, absolutely. HAYES: OK. Barry Bennett and Colonel Peter Mansoor, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Still to come, alarming new poll numbers for Donald Trump and growing concerns about convention plans, including Coach Ditka now questioning whether or not he wants a speaking role. Details ahead. But first, how the president`s North American summit turned into a therapy session about Donald Trump. That`s right after this, two minute break. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: Earlier today in the Canadian capital of Ottawa, President Obama, along with the president of Mexico, Enrique Pena Nieto, Justin Trudeau, Canada`s prime minister, gathered against a backdrop of global fear and uncertainty. The deadliest terrorist attack in Turkey that killed at least 40 people, a seismic vote that has Britain on the verge of becoming the first country to leave the European Union, causing global financial markets to suffer a rough two-day slide. Though, today, markets showed signs of stemming those losses. You`ve also got the impact of trade deals on both sides of the Atlantic and a big chance to rally three huge economies behind the progress made in the Paris climate deal. But for the most part, the questions addressed to these three world leaders from reporters from all three countries were, in one way or another, about Donald Trump. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) REPORTER: One of the candidates who wants to replace President Obama has already said he wants to renegotiate NAFTA and walk away from the Trans Pacific Partnership -- REPORTER (through translator): There`s an anti-immigrant and anti- Mexican rhetoric by Donald Trump. I would like to ask you, did you address this issue during your meeting? REPORTER: President Pena Nieto, in March, you compared Mr. Trump to Hitler and Mussolini. I`m wondering if you still stand by that and how worried are you at this time next year, there will be a wall up on your border? OBAMA: I`m actually going to help out my friends a little bit on your last question, even though it wasn`t directed at me and just say, when I visit other countries, it`s not my job to comment on candidates in the middle of a race, just because they may end up winning, and the relationship between governments tend to transcend whoever is in power at any given time. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Joining me now, Liz Plank, senior correspondent at Vox and a native of Canada, in Montreal. And you go back there a lot, Liz. LIZ PLANK, SR. CORRESPONDENT, VOX: I do. HAYES: I want to start with this. Has your experience been, because I`ve been hearing reports of different folks traveling around the world, where someone hears them speaking American English and runs to them to talk about Donald Trump. Had that been -- are all eyes in Canada on what`s happening here? PLANK: Yes, all eyes are on what`s happening in America. We love America in Canada, but I think Donald Trump is something fascinating. It`s a fascinating phenomenon for a lot of people in Canada and a lot of people across the world. I think that it took them longer in Canada to realize that this was an actual thing and that this could happen. I had to do a lot of convincing of, yes, he`s going to be the nominee. Now that he`s the presumptive nominee, I think people in Canada are taking it more seriously, and it`s less of a joke, and it`s more of a threat. And I think that`s what we saw today in the meeting that happened in Ottawa. Although, you know, Justin Trudeau didn`t really say anything about Trump, you could tell he was probably biting his tongue and that`s why President Obama swept in and made sure to be the messenger for what I`m sure the prime minister feels. HAYES: Yes, that was an interesting moment because I also think it was President Obama wanting to essentially sending a signal to the two of them, which was, whatever you want to say, it`s probably not going to be helpful to the cause, to have essentially foreign leaders attacking Donald Trump. These are -- this is the polling from around the world. This is the percentage of people showing confidence that Trump has the qualities to be a world leader, 89 percent, no confidence, in Germany, 80 percent in Canada, all the way down. China, he seems relatively more popular, and other places, which is sort of interesting in its own right. You -- PLANK: Right. No, go ahead. HAYES: Well, you in Canada have elected, in some ways, it seems like the opposite of Trump. Trudeau is this kind of, you know, glamorous, cosmopolitan. He projects this air of being big hearted. He welcomes the refuges. It just seems like the opposite political moment in some ways in Canada. PLANK: Yes. I mean, absolutely. He is the anti-Trump. And he`s been called the anti-Trump by a lot of commentators in Canada. He -- you know, one of the first things that he did was something that he campaigned very strongly on, which was not accepting less immigrants, not accepting less refugees from Syria, but accepting more. I mean, he welcomed 25,000 refugees from Syria and really delivered on that promise immediately. And so, he`s not just -- I mean, in terms of those protectionists or nativist really policies and in terms in immigration, and even economically. He`s actually been criticized in Canada a little for being too all over the place, like not spending enough time in Canada, and spending a lot of time building those international relationships whether it`s with United States or with Japan, China. He really wants to liberalize. I mean, trade is a huge part of his plank and his economic plan. So what Donald Trump is presenting, I mean, in every possible way, it`s hard to see them agreeing on anything. HAYES: Is there anything a domestic constituency in Canada to get rid of NAFTA? There clearly is in the U.S. There`s a lot of -- there`s evidence to suggest it has hurt manufacturing. It`s hurt working class incomes. Is that same -- is there that same constituency in Canada? PLANK: No. I mean, not to the extent that there is in America. I think there`s this sense that this is the sort of status quo and the state of affairs and actually I think people want more trade policies. I mean, Canada is incredibly dependent on the American economy. I mean, both of them are very important to each other, and they`re hugely important to each other. But Canada, I mean, needs the U.S. to thrive. And so, I think that there`s not only a fear that NAFTA could go away, but that this could impede further conversations about trade too. HAYES: All right. Liz Plank, Canadian whisperer, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. PLANK: Thank you, Chris. HAYES: Still to come, the major new fear-mongering ad buy from groups supporting Donald Trump. We`ll show the NRA ad that has nothing to do with guns. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ERIC TRUMP, SON OF DONALD TRUMP: My wife and I watched 13 hours this weekend, right? And literally, I was livid after watching the movie. In order to vote in the next election, you should have to watch that movie. I was livid. She left these guys on a rooftop in the middle of Benghazi, you know, getting shot at, having mortars dropped on their head because she wouldn`t pick up a phone call in the middle of the night. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: That was Donald Trump`s son Eric arguing that America should get its facts about Donald Trump from a fictional movie. Here in the nonfictional world, the relentless Republicans` attempts to pin responsibility on Clinton for the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya, have flopped. Despite conducting one of the longest and costliest congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report yesterday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Clinton. On this very show last night, Republican Congressman Lynn Westmoreland, a member of that committee said that people like Eric Trump should not believing made-up stories. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) LYNN WESTMORELAND (R), GEORGIA: There`s been a movie out that I have not seen. There`s been two books out. And unfortunately, sometimes people would rather believe Hollywood than they had the truth. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: But in the fever swamps of the right, Benghazi conspiracy theories will never die. Now, the NRA, which is ostensibly concerned with gun rights but which in reality traffics in a far more broader right-wing paranoia is spending $2.4 million to run this new ad which doesn`t even mention guns, but instead continues to claim that Hillary Clinton has blood on her hands. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I served in Benghazi. My friends didn`t make it. They did their part. Do yours. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Expect to hear a lot more of that sort of thing at the GOP convention which kicks off in less than three weeks, and which we now know will look a little bit like this. We`ll explain right after the break. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: Organizers have unveiled a scale model of the stage of the Republican National Convention which kicks off in just 19 days. The convention stage will feature a huge video board, white staircases on either side and one assumes, a life size version of Donald Trump, as opposed to one that has been drunk to model size to save money. Though with all the problems facing the convention, that might not be such a bad idea. Workers are feverishly working to get Cleveland`s Quicken Loans Arena ready, but massive questions remain. Many companies are declining to fund the convention amid concerns about Trump, raising significant fundraising questions. And there are reports that hardly anybody wants to speak at Trump`s convention, despite the candidate`s claims. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: The convention, so many people want to speak. So we`re going to see something, I think we`re going to have a great time. More importantly, we`re going to say exactly what we`re going to do. (END VIDEO CLIP) TRUMP: It`s not just Trump -- Trump weary politicians that had been steering clear. The Trump camp has suggested sports figures will play a major role at the convention. But, two, who are reportedly invited, Mike Tyson and Mike Ditka, are denying they`ve been contacted. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell is one of few Republicans, well, not few Republicans, one of the Republicans who does plan to attend.
Well, things could get awkward. In a new interview, McConnell said Trump is not currently a credible candidate.
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SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: Trump clearly needs to change, in my opinion, to win the general election. People are looking for a level of seriousness that`s typically conveyed by having a prepared text and teleprompter and staying on message.
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HAYES: Those comments come as poll after poll shows Trump trailing Hillary Clinton, and the trends aren`t promising for the presumptive GOP nominee. A new Fox survey finds that Trump is losing ground among Republicans, whites without degrees and men, groups he needs to win by big margins to have any hope of victory in November.
The same poll shows that a full 51 percent of Republicans wish Trump was not the GOP nominee.
To that end, a well funded group seeking to deny Trump the nomination at the convention has been mobilizing and is planning for a convention floor fight, hiring staff, establishing a command center in Cleveland and rolling out ads in key states. That`s what to expect inside the convention, outside, it could get far uglier.
A group of white nationalists and skinheads who held a rally last weekend where five people were stabbed, say they`ll be among the throngs descending on Cleveland to protest in order to, quote, "make sure that Donald Trump supporters are defended."
Joining me now, Joy Reid, host of MSNBC`s excellent must watch AM Joy on the weekends.
JOY REID, MSNBC: Thank you.
HAYES: OK, so to me, the most striking thing in that latest Fox poll was 51 percent of Republicans saying, they wish it were another nominee, because we saw this bump. We saw consolidation, and then we have seen disconsolidation.
REID: Yeah, and the other alarming number in that poll was the whites without a college degree. I mean, that`s the core of the base that he needs to rack up big numbers with in order to win.
The problem with Donald Trump is that he has probably the most desiccated brand in Christendom right now. And there`s nobody who wants to be associated with the brand. And he needs somebody to associate with the brand to prove it.
And so there`s nobody there who can sort of shore him up and make his brand look better.
HAYES: You know, there`s also -- I also find -- there`s a fascinating dynamic now where he banged on about trade yesterday, the sort of economic nationalism, right, anti-trade deals, that I think there`s a receptive audience for politically and he`s leaning into it. He`s going to keep going, which is probably smart politically. The problem is, that is probably the thing that most alienates him from the leadership of his party, the people who would pay for the convention, the donor class, all the folks around the institutional RNC. Like Paul Ryan is not going to pass a bunch of tariffs.
REID: Exactly. And you have got the Chamber of Commerce against him. It is his strongest argument that people hurt by trade might be tempted by Donald Trump`s message of throwing up trade barriers and going after China. The problem is, the people who are not already hardcore Republicans who are open to that message, see the skinheads that are showing up, the fact that even Mike Tyson is more willing to get a tattoo on his face rather than to necessarily stand next to Donald Trump in Cleveland. And they say, you know what, OK, the trade message maybe OK, but he`s still Donald Trump.
HAYES: That`s exactly it. Is that you cannot unassociate -- disassociate yourself from the kinds of things that you have associated yourself with.
HAYES: There`s always been this idea that he`s going to pivot or he`s going to do whatever. People aren`t that -- I mean, memories are short, but they`re not that short.
REID: They`re not short.
And you have Republicans saying this bizarre thing where if he could just read these talking points, please. If he could just pretend to be different than he is and sort of sublimate all of his inner thoughts, if he could just please do that for us for six months so that we can keep the senate, that is as crass as it gets.
HAYES: And then here he is today, Howie Carr, right-wing talk radio, here`s Howie Carr introducing him today in Maine. Take a listen.
HOWIE CARR, CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO HOST: You know Elizabeth Warren, right?
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HAYES: You did not see that tape yet?
REID: I had not seen that tape. And you know what, Paul Ryan is going to have the most difficult convention ever being associated with that brand and then he wants to run in 2020 with that?
HAYES: And let me tell you something, we watch the feed coming in of the warm-up act for Donald Trump. No one else does, but we do. It`s coming in on the feed. That`s going to be the whole convention is the warm-up act.
REID: That`s right.
HAYES: And the warm-up -- if you think Donald Trump is offensive and bad, wait until you see the warm-up act for Donald Trump.
REID: And you think who is willing to associate themselves now? Now that the brand is what it is. The kind of people who are willing to show up...
HAYES: Howie Carr is the answer.
REID: Are the Howie Carrs of the world. They`re just going to make it worse.
And you know what, the Republicans who have to show up, the Susana Martinez`s who are on a committee or something and have to be there, well poor them, because they`re going to have to stand next to that and they cannot walk away from it, they cannot throw it away. It`s theirs.
HAYES: And everything that get -- that`s exactly right. Everything that`s get said on that stage, every war whoop from some talk radio host...
REID: Own it, Marco Rubio. You own that, Ron Johnson. You own that, Mark Kirk. I don`t care how you want to run from it and don`t put Republican in your ads. You are a Republican, friend. And unless you`re going to literally disassociate yourself completely..
HAYES: With the party.
REID: ...you`re still a Republican and he`s still your nominee.
HAYES: Joy Reid, thanks for joining me.
Watch AM Joy always.
Still to come, the latest in our series on the clear and present effects of climate change happening across the country right now. Tonight, our special report on the northernmost city in the United States where melting ice threatens a way of life.
First, why are foreign lawmakers getting emails from Donald Trump asking for money. This is my favorite story of the day. And we will bring it to you next.
HAYES: It`s been one week since Donald Trump sounded his first personal fundraising email, part of his campaign`s move to rapidly raise cash. That after his latest FEC report showed Hillary Clinton began this month with 40 times more money than Donald Trump.
But one part of that fundraising push is raising some eyebrows, notably, the Trump campaign is sending fundraising emails to elected officials in multiple foreign countries. British MPs started tweeting messages like, dear New York Times, could you pass a message to Donald Trump to me, please stop sending campaign begging letters to MPs, it`s pathetic.
Sir Roger Gale appealed to the speaker of the house of commons to help block the intemperate spam.
Scottish MP Natalie MacGary posted the email she received from Trump`s son on Twitter as well as her withering reply, which read in part, "why you think it appropriate to write emails to UK parliamentarians with a begging bowl for your father`s repugnant campaign is completely beyond me. The thought of his reactionary type of politics and apparent ignorance of world affairs having access to a seat at the world table is both surreal and terrifying. The above is a long way to say no and do not contact me again.
We`re now learning it`s not just the UK, as TPM`s Josh Marshall reports, members of parliament in Canada, Australia, Iceland, Finland and Denmark have all received these emails.
We should note, of course, it`s entirely illegal for foreign nationals to donate to American politicians. And FEC rules say it is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive, or accept contributions or donations from them.
So why is Donald Trump hitting up foreign lawmakers for illegal campaign donations? A theory on that in just 60 seconds.
HAYES: So, Donald Trump`s campaign is flooding the inboxes of foreign lawmakers in at least five countries soliciting illegal campaign donations. If we assume the campaign is not trying to unlawful rake in cash from abroad, which I think is fair. There are few theories as to why foreign parliamentarians are receiving Trump email solicitations.
I reached out to a very knowledgeable source in the world of campaign fundraising who told me he believes someone is doing this on purpose, perhaps using a program to automatically input the emails of these lawmakers on web forums in an effort to troll the Trump campaign.
If so, it`s been pretty darned effective.
TPM`s Josh Marshall has another idea writing, "so latest theory is Trump and sons just grabbed different email lists from biz ventures, poured them into campaign email hopper." Supporting this theory is the fact that Trump`s campaign is in desperate need to building its donor list. And analysis of the first fundraising email found Ted Cruz had a donor list that was 3.7 times larger in May than Trump`s donor list is today.
For now, this remains a mystery. We`ve reached out to the campaign for comment, but like other outlets asking about this bizarre and potentially illegal practice, we`re still waiting for their response to arrive in our in-box.
HAYES: It has been two years since ISIS officially declared a caliphate. And in those two years, the group has incurred a gruesome death toll in the west and on a far, far more horrific scale in the Middle East. That even as its territory has contracted.
But it has not claimed responsibility for the Istanbul terror attack, despite indications the attack fits the group`s profile.
Earlier I spoke with New York Times foreign correspondent Rukmini Callimachi who has extensively covered the group and asked her why she thinks ISIS has not claimed credit for the attack if, in fact, it is responsible.
RUKMINI CALLIMACHI, NEW YORK TIMES: that`s a really good question. turkey is probably the only country perhaps in the world where ISIS does not claim credit for attacks that we believe they have carried out. The reason for this, according to analysts, is that Turkey has acted as the rear base for ISIS ever since this group came to prominence. It`s through Istanbul airport that hundreds, if not thousands,l of their foreign recruits have passed, and it`s in southern Turkey that many of them go to hospitals to get treated, to Western Union offices to send money, et cetera.
And so on the one hand, they want to, I think, punish Turkey for their alliance with the west, but perhaps by not claiming credit, they`re leaving just enough gray so that they don`t create a full-on clash with the country that has, in a way, been a host for them.
HAYES: Is that gray? What I have a hard time getting my head around is the audience for that the state and the government, in Erdogan, or is it the Turkish people in say southern Turkey near the border area, who they do not want to alienate?
CALLIMACHI: Well, I think that if Turkey really wanted to crack down on this group, there are a lot more things they could do to seal the border. And so, ISIS stands to lose a lot if suddenly Turkey from one day to the next ramped up security at the border, where according to one source of mine who was just there, in certain places, there`s a wall that you can quite easily scale and in other places, there`s just a wire. And so it`s a porous border and that has served them well.
And so you can see how they might want to play it both ways.
HAYES: Talk about what this means in terms of the direction of ISIS on what it is celebrating as a two-year anniversary of the declaration of its caliphate. It seemed very preoccupied primarily with governing a territorial area. It has seemed to shift towards more outward attacks. How should we understand that shift in strategy?
CALLIMACHI: Chris, as I reported in an article in the Times a couple of months ago, I think what people have missed in this equation is they`ve missed how many failed plots there were by ISIS operatives sent from Syria -- these are foreign fighters who trained in Syria -- how many failed plots there were in the west.
ISIS began sending foreign fighters back to Europe as early as 2014 before they even declared a caliphate. So, my own reporting has shown that these two goals: a governing territory, and hitting the west, have really been intertwined since the very beginnings of this group as we know it today.
There`s a lot of chatter that ISIS is now hitting the west because they`re squeezed in the territory in Iraq and Syria. That`s simply not true. You have to just look back to their earliest attacks, starting with (inaudible), who was one of the jailers of the foreign hostages and who hit the Brussels museum years ago.
So, I think that paradigm is incorrect and I think we need to start trying to understand this group at a more granular level.
HAYES: New York Times foreign correspondent Rukmini Callimachi. And extended of that interview can be found on our website.
Up next, how record-setting temperatures in the nation`s northernmost city are threatening a community`s way of life.
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BARACK OBAMA PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Climate change is no longer an abstraction. It`s not an issue we can put off for the future, it is happening now. It is happening here in our own country. Skeptics and cynics can insist on denying what`s right in front of our eyes, but the Alaska natives that I met whose ancestral villages are sliding into the sea, they don`t have that luxury. They know climate change is real. They know it is not a hoax.
HAYES: The president tonight addressing the Canadian parliament, driving home the very real and very present threats of climate change, especially in arctic regions like Alaska.
Tonight, as part of our series examining the direct effects of a warming planet on American lives, we visit the northernmost city in the United States Barrow, Alaska, where the ice that sustains an entire community is melting fast.
OBAMA: The arctic is the leading edge of climate change, our leading indicator of what the entire planet faces. Climate change is no longer some far-off problem, it is happening here. It is happening now.
HAYES: On the edge of the continent, flanked by the tundra and the Arctic Ocean lies the northernmost city in the country, Barrow, Alaska, an American city 330 miles above the arctic circle and at the epicenter of climate change.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ice thickness has changed dramatically throughout the years. We`ve noticed that the ice is getting thinner and thinner every year. And that late into the fall, sometimes all the way into winter, we`ll still have open water in Barrow. We never used to have that. It`s all melting. It`s changing quick. And we have no choice but to adapt.
HAYES: The ice that grips the coast of Barrow every year has sustained the people of Barrow for millennia. Long before the city ever existed, hunters and their families traveled out across the ice with boats and harpoons, waiting for the annual migration of the Bowhead whale.
Today, that tradition continues. Whaling crews and their families gathering in make shift camps along the edge of the Arctic Ocean, rowing out across the freezing water, searching for whales.
The community considers whale meat a vital staple, because any food that can`t be hunted locally has to be flown in, making it expensive. For subsistence hunters like Carl Naikik (ph), the sea ice literally supports his family and it`s melting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ice thickness is getting thinner and thinner. All this ice you`re standing on is probably one to two-year-old ice. When back then, it should be at least maybe 10 to 20 year-old ice.
We`re always trying to figure how, where are we going to pull up a whale if we catch a whale, because the ice nowadays can barely support anything anymore.
HAYES: And the sea ice isn`t just thinning, it`s shrinking.
UNIDENITIFIED MALE: 20, 25 years ago, you would travel at least 10 to 20 miles out on the sea ice to reach the open water and that`s where we used to hunt Bowlhead whales all the time. Now, we barely come out a mile now.
HAYES: One of the reasons the sea ice is disappearing around Barrow, can be detected in the air over Barrow. Just inland from the whaling camps themselves, the NOAA observatory measures levels of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
GABY PETRON, NOAA SCIENTIST: The atmosphere doesn`t know any boundaries. Some of the pollutants that we meet have a long lifetime and they`re reaching far-away places like Barrow.
HAYES: Gaby Petron is one of the scientists studying the air samples collected in Barrow. What the data reveals is terrifying.
PETRON: We are now experiencing the most abrupt change in CO2 in the Earth`s history. How fast we are changing the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is unprecedented. It`s really something that has not been seen in the natural world ever before.
HAYES: What is happening in Barrow is happening around the globe, and it`s happening fast.
PIETER TANS, NOAA CHIEF SCIENTIST: So the rate of increase of CO2 at the moment is higher than it has ever been. And also higher than it has ever been in the last 800,000 years. The rate of increase is the highest and also the level is the highest ever.
HAYES: According to NOAA chief scientist Pieter Tans, the unprecedented increase in carbon dioxide is heating the Earth and having a massive effect on the Arctic.
TANS: In the Arctic, the warming is stronger than anywhere else, which contributes to the disappearance of drifting sea ice. So the sea ice coverage is less and the ice is thinner, which has consequences for everything.
HAYES: In Barrow, those consequences are immediate and unavoidable.
MIKE AAMODT, NORTH SLOPE BOROUGH MAYOR: Climate change is a big topic across the world, and we are right on the edge of it. We`re seeing our waters` temperatures warming slightly, seeing less ice in our oceans, thinner ice. We`re seeing coastal erosion as a result of not as much ice being a buffer for wave action. I had a cabin that I built a thousand feet from the edge of the ocean, and in less than ten years, it was 20 feet from the ocean. And I`ve moved it a mile away, And now it`s only 3/4 of a mile away from the the ocean.
So we have a serious erosion problem up here.
HAYES: Mayor Mike Aamodt has lived in Barrow for over 40 years. He wants to move the entire city inland to save it from the effects of climate change.
AAMODT: If there were enough money available, my thought would be to move the town.
HAYES: But it`s not that simple. Barrow has a billion dollars worth of infrastructure -- houses, schools, a heated underground tunnel that keeps pipes and sewer lines from freezing, all of which makes moving prohibitively expensive.
AAMODT: Our coastal communities are tied to the ocean, so in the past they could move very easily, because you just build a new house. But we have got buried infrastructure in all of our communities now, and there`s no easy fix now.
HAYES: For the nearly 5,000 people who call Barrow home, and who rely on the environment to feed their families, the reality of a rapidly shifting landscape is inescapable.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was all winter two days ago. But now it`s summer. Where did spring go? And that`s what`s happening more and more up here. Our spring is getting shorter, our summers are getting longer, our winters are getting shorter and warmer.
This year was a warm winter. We`re changing and we`re changing fast up here. And we have no choice but to live with it.
HAYES: Ever since the 1940s, NOAA has kept a record of the day the snow starts to melt in Barrow. This year, just over a week after we left, the snow started melting on May 13, which is the earliest it`s ever melted on record.
All week, we`ve been looking at the effect of climate change from the northern city of Barrow, Alaska. A small Louisiana community of Isle de Jean Charles. Tomorrow, we`ll take you to Miami, Florida, a major American city beloved vacation destination for millions, and ground zero in the fight against the rising seas. Billions of dollars of assets are currently vulnerable and billions more will be threatened in the coming decades.
We will take you there tomorrow night right here on All In.
That is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now.
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