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All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript, 6/14/2016

Guests: Charlie Pierce, Dan Savage, Rasha Mubarak

Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: June 14, 2016 Guest: Charlie Pierce, Dan Savage, Rasha Mubarak


CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN --

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We now have proposals from the presumptive Republican nominee for president of the United States to bar all Muslims from immigrating to America.

HAYES: An indignant Obama takes on Trump.

OBAMA: Do Republican officials actually agree with this? Because that`s not the America we want.

HAYES: Tonight, the president`s extended impassioned remarks in full.

OBAMA: We are now seeing how dangerous this kind of mindset and this kind of thinking can be.

HAYES: Plus, the latest turn in the Orlando shooting as victims begin speaking out. And as the final primary votes are counted, what we know about the Clinton/Sanders meeting happening in this hour -- when ALL IN starts right now.


Good evening from Orlando. I`m Chris Hayes.

A lot to talk about starting with the final primary contest in this extraordinary campaign cycle. Polls have just closed in the Democratic primary in Washington, D.C., in the race between the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Vote totals are just starting to come in.

Sanders who today called for a, quote, "fundamental transformation" of the Democratic Party is expected to meet with Clinton in a short time in Washington, D.C. for a conversation with potentially huge implications for Democratic Party unity. We`ll be monitoring the scene and bring you the news as we have it.

Meanwhile, a new poll taken from Friday to Monday shows Clinton with a 12- point lead in the national presidential race against Donald Trump. With 55 percent of poll respondents saying they will never back the Republican nominee.

Here in Orlando, we`re learning more about the worst mass shooting in recent U.S. history. The massacre of 49 people at the gay nightclub Pulse early Sunday morning. Tonight, new skin credibly powerful comments from survivors of that attack. We will bring you those shortly, as well as new details about who the killer was and his potential motivations.

Numerous people now confirming that the shooter, Omar Mateen, who multiple people say contacted them on gay dating apps, had been at Pulse many times. The club`s head of security saying she had kicked him out for bad behavior on more than one occasion.

NBC News is saying Mateen`s current wife Noor Zahi Salman told the FBI that she was with Mateen when he bought ammunition and a holster, that she drove Mateen to Pulse on a prior occasion and tried to talk him out of conducting any kind of attack.

What is emerging is a far more complex picture of Mateen, one that looks very different than the simplistic characterization put forth by Donald Trump who`s cast Mateen as a radical Muslim terrorist and use the massacre to support his call to temporarily ban Muslim people -- people of Muslim faith from U.S. soil.

In a truly stunning speech this afternoon, President Obama grieved the victims in Orlando, discussed his administration`s fight against is, and called for commonsense gun laws including a reinstatement of the assault weapons ban and keeping people deemed too dangerous to fly from being able to purchase guns. The president spent nearly 13 minutes responding to Republican rhetoric on terrorism, particularly the words we`ve heard from the presumptive Republican presidential nominee whose name the president very pointedly refused to use.

We`ll bring you that portion of his speech in its entirety now.


OBAMA: For a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize the administration and me for not using the phrase "radical Islam." That`s the key, they tell us. We cannot beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists.

What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to try to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this?

The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction.

Since before I was president, I have been clear about how extremist groups have perverted Islam to justify terrorism. As president, I have called on our Muslim friends and allies at home and around the world to work with us to reject this twisted interpretation of one of the world`s great religions.

There has not been a moment in my 7.5 years as president where we have not able to pursue a strategy because we didn`t use the label "radical Islam." Not once has an adviser of mine said, "Man, if we use that phrase, we are going to turn this whole thing around," not once.

So someone seriously thinks that we don`t know who we are fighting?

If there is anyone out there who thinks we are confused about who our enemies are -- that would come as a surprise to the thousands of terrorists who we have taken off the battlefield.

If the implication is that those of us up here and the thousands of people around the country and around world who are working to defeat ISIL aren`t taking the fight seriously? That would come as a surprise to those who spent these last 7 1/2 years dismantling Al Qaida in the FATA, for example -- including the men and women in uniform who put their lives at risk, and the special forces that I ordered to get bin Laden and are now on the ground in Iraq and in Syria.

They know full well who the enemy is. So do the intelligence and law enforcement officers who spend countless hours disrupting plots and protecting all Americans -- including politicians who tweet and appears on cable news shows. They know who the nature of the enemy is.

So, there is no magic to the phrase "radical Islam." It is a political talking point. It`s not a strategy.

And the reason I am careful about how I describe this threat has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with actually defeating extremism.

Groups like ISIL and Al Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America, or between Islam and the West. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion of Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions. They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion-plus people, that they speak for Islam. That`s their propaganda, that`s how they recruit.

And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims as a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with the entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists` work for them.

Now, up until this point, this argument of labels has mostly just been partisan rhetoric, and sadly, we have all become accustomed to that kind of partisanship, even when it involves the fight against these extremist groups.

And that kind of yapping has not prevented folks across the government from doing their jobs, from sacrificing and working really hard to protect the American people.

But we are now seeing how dangerous this kind of mind set and this kind of thinking can be. We are starting to see where this kind of rhetoric and loose talk and sloppiness about who exactly we are fighting, where this can lead us.

We now have proposals from the presumptive Republican nominee for president of the United States to bar all Muslims from immigrating into America. And you hear language that singles out immigrants and suggests entire religious communities are complacent in violence.

Where does this stop? The Orlando killer, one of the San Bernardino killers, the Fort Hood killer -- they were all U.S. citizens. Are we going to start treating all Muslim-Americans differently? Are we going to start subjecting them to special surveillance? Are we going to start discriminate them, because of their faith?

We heard these suggestions during the course of this campaign. Do Republican officials actually agree with this?

Because that`s not the America we want. It does not reflect our democratic ideals. It won`t make us more safe, it will make us less safe, fueling ISIL`s notion that the West hates Muslims, making young Muslims in this country and around the world feel like, no matter what they do, they`re going to be under suspicion and under attack.

It makes Muslim-Americans feel like their government is betraying them. It betrays the very values America stands for.

We have gone through moments in our history before when we acted out of fear, and we came to regret it. We have seen our government mistreat our fellow citizens, and it has been a shameful part of our history.

This is a country founded on basic freedoms, including freedom of religion. We don`t have religious tests here. Our founders, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, are clear about that.

And if we ever abandon those values, we would not only make it a lot easier to radicalize people here and around the world, but we would have betrayed the very things we are trying to protect -- the pluralism and the openness, our rule of law, our civil liberties, the very things that make this country great, the very things that make us exceptional.

And then the terrorists would have won and we cannot let that happen. I will not let that happen.

You know, two weeks ago I was at the commencement ceremony of the Air Force Academy and it could not have been more inspiring to see these young people stepping up dedicated to serve and protect this country.

And part of what was inspiring was the incredible diversities of these cadets. We saw cadets who are straight applauding classmates who were openly gay.

We saw cadets born here in America applauding classmates who are immigrants and love this country so much they decided they wanted to be part of our armed forces.

We saw cadets and families of all religions applaud cadets who are proud, patriotic Muslim-Americans serving their country in uniform ready to lay their lives on the line to protect you and to protect me.

We saw male cadets applauding for female classmates who can now serve in combat positions. That`s the American military. That`s America. One team. One nation.

Those are the values that ISIL is trying to destroy and we should not help them do it. Our diversity and our respect for one another, our drawing on the talents of everybody in this country, our making sure that we are treating everybody fairly, that we are not judging people on the basis of what faith they are or what race they are or what ethnicity they are or what their sexual orientation is.

That`s what makes this country great. That`s the spirit we see in Orlando. That`s the unity and resolve that will allow us to defeat ISIL. That`s what will preserve our values and our ideals that define us as Americans. That`s how we are going to defend this nation and that`s how we are going to defend our way of life.

Thank you very much.


HAYES: As you might have expected, Donald Trump had a response to those sharp, extended remarks from the president. We`ll bring you what he had to say and talk about all of it in just two minutes.


HAYES: In a fiery speech in Pittsburgh today, Hillary Clinton hit back hard at Donald Trump who suggested yesterday that President Obama may be purposely allowing terror attacks to take place on U.S. soil.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Just one day after the massacre, he went on TV and suggested that President Obama is on the side of the terrorists. Now, just think about that for a second. Even in a time of divided politics, this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president of the United States.



HAYES: Trump, who turns 70 today, held a rally a short time ago in North Carolina where he hammered Clinton and hit back at President Obama, who earlier today had mocked Trump`s rhetoric on terrorism.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I watched President Obama today. And he was more angry at me than he was at the shooter. And many people said that. One of the folks on television said, boy, has Trump gotten under his skin.


HAYES: Joining me now, Charlie Pierce, writer at large for "Esquire."

Charlie, there were people saying today what the president did today was unprecedented and I think in some narrow sense, it was. I have certainly never seen anything like that from the sort of sitting president directed towards the other party`s nominee. It was -- it was pretty remarkable.

CHARLIE PIERCE, ESQUIRE: Yes, I don`t know what was more terrifying, how clipped his speech was or those long between paragraphs where he made sure everything he said sank in.

The only thing that comes remotely close is the time Ronald Reagan called Michael Dukakis an invalid at -- during a press conference when there were rumors Dukakis had had electroshock therapy or something and Reagan said, I don`t want to make light of the invalid, or something like that. That`s not even close to what happened today.

HAYES: You can tell -- I mean, one of the things I kept thinking of as I watched the speech now several times is, the president`s evident rage at someone who is actively making the job harder, and also someone who is so far removed from the actual workings of how you would be president. It`s interesting to note that of all the living presidents of both parties, not one has endorsed Donald Trump. And you kind of saw why today as the president delivered those remarks.

PIERCE: Yes, I think -- one thing we have to remember is that undoubtedly during his day job, the president has to take phone calls from heads of state and the heads of foreign intelligence services, all of which probably begin with, what in hell`s going on with this guy? And the president has to explain to them how Donald Trump has become the presumptive nominee of one of our two major political parties, and I imagine the president`s pretty sick of that.

HAYES: You wrote yesterday that that speech from Trump, which I think clearly is what precipitated the president`s decision to respond at length today, was terrifying, was more dangerous than he has ever been. What did you mean by that?

PIERCE: I think that, you know, you came to grips yesterday with a guy who has no respect for anything, including the limitations of his office and the truth. And more to the point, he has no desire to learn anything about any of the things that will be required to perform the duties of president. And there are only two people right now with an overwhelming chance to be the next president, he`s one of them.


PIERCE: As I said I think in the piece, he`s a ridiculous man running a ridiculous campaign and to take him seriously and to take his campaign and what he says seriously is journalistic malpractice. It is not journalistic malpractice to take the threat of him seriously.

HAYES: In terms of the race between Trump and Clinton, there`s new polling today that has Clinton up by 12 points, showing that 66 percent of voters disapprove of the Muslim ban, 72 percent were upset by the Judge Curiel comments. I mean, you know, there was this open question of does the general electorate look like the Republican electorate? Do they respond to the same things? It looks like we`re getting an early answer.

PIERCE: Yes, there were two questions that have been answered pretty much over the last four or five days. One was that one. And two, was Donald Trump going to quote-unquote pivot toward being serious in the general election campaign? The first one is answered by these polling numbers. The second one is self-evident. He`s incapable of pivoting towards being serious.

HAYES: All right. Charlie Pierce, thanks for joining me. Appreciate it.

Still to come, Donald Trump now trying to paint himself as the champion for the LGBT community in the wake of Orlando, which is a very different story from just a couple months ago. Columnist Dan Savage joins me to respond.

But, first, we`re still keeping an eye now on the meeting between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders that should be happening shortly. That story after this short break.



SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We`re going to be bringing -- we`re starting to talk to them right now, we don`t know exactly, but somewhere between 1,900 and 2,000 delegates to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Let me tell you what they want. They want to see the Democratic Party transform.

They want to see the Democratic Party stand up to the wealthy and powerful and start representing the millions of people who are hurting.


HAYES: At this hour, we`re expecting the first formal meeting between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders since Clinton became the presumptive Democratic nominee for president. The meeting in Washington, D.C. just momentarily we believe falls on this final day of this extended primary season with the primary in the nation`s capital.

Joining me now, NBC`s Kristen Welker, who`s been covering the campaign.

And, Kristen, what are -- what`s the reporting indicate, what`s your reporting indicate about what the agenda is for this meeting?

KRISTEN WELKER, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Chris, I`m having trouble hearing you, so I`m going to start talking.

But we are waiting for Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton to arrive at the Hilton, which is just a stone`s throw away from the White House. There are four entrances to this Hilton. We have we think almost all of them surrounded. So that`s the good news. We`re going to try to catch up with these candidates.

Look, the stakes very high here tonight. Both campaigns telling me their expectations are tempered. They`re not expecting Senator Sanders to concede, for example.

But if this meeting does go well, it could help senator Sanders get to the off-ramp. So that`s what the Clinton campaign is really hoping for.

Now, of course, earlier today, Senator Sanders in speaking to reporters in D.C. mapped out a really robust set of changes he would like to see to the Democratic process. I`ll read you a few of those changes. I think we have a graphic of those changes.

He called for making primaries open, which would essentially mean that non- Democrats would be able to vote in primaries. He also called for better staffing at polling places to make it easier for folks to access voting. He called for doing away with all superdelegates.

And then the really big one, he called for DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz to go.

Now, in an interview with our own Chuck Todd, she said that is not going to happen that she is in this until the very end. But it sort of gives you a sense of how much he might be asking for when he sits down to meet with Secretary Clinton.

We expect this meeting to get under way within the half hour. We are monitoring it very closely. There`s no word on how long it`s going to last. We know that some of Sanders officials think he should stay in this through the convention.

I just spoke with one top Democrat, though, who said, after tonight, patience is going to run out -- Chris.

HAYES: All right. Kristen Welker sticking out the meeting, thank you for that. Appreciate it.

Joining me now, MSNBC contributor Nick Confessore, political reporter for "The New York Times."

So, there are high stakes here. Talking to folks around this meeting, it`s really genuinely unclear what comes out of tonight. And, you know, it`s fairly late in the ball game in terms of uniting the party.

CHRIS CONFESSORE, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES": Right. It`s basically a two-track ball game here, right? To mix metaphors, right? It`s a policy track and a process track. In a strange way I think you might have an easier time on the policy track than on the process track.

HAYES: Interesting.

CONFESSORE: Partly because chucking the DNC chair at this stage of the cycle is probably not going to happen. He might settle for removing some committee members at platform and rules at the convention he believes are biased against him, like Governor Malloy, governor of Connecticut.

HAYES: Right.

CONFESSORE: But then there are some policy asks. Free universal public college, some kind of (INAUDIBLE) on fracking --


HAYES: Fifteen dollar minimum wage nationally.

CONFESSORE: And the strange way, you know, he has successfully and the party has successfully pulled Hillary Clinton to the left over the course of this campaign I think on a couple of key issues. I think what they want to see now is like a mark down on the mat of we are now going to do this one thing that the Sanders people want.

HAYES: That`s right. And I think that`s well said.

I think there`s one more track that isn`t in play here that usually is, which is, politics are pretty transactional, right? It`s like, take care of my campaign people, am I going to have my people in there? What are the sort of political prospects for Sanders` world?

And that was -- we know now in the reporting, Clinton, Obama was a big part of it. I mean, she was named secretary of state under him. Clinton fiefdom over who came into that department. We`re pretty sure that`s not what Sanders is looking for and in some ways, that makes it a little harder I think to get to yes.

CONFESSORE: Well, I would say, actually, it`s part of their package.

HAYES: You think so?

CONFESSORE: I`ve spoken to folks in the Sanders camp and they want to see Sanders get a primetime slot at the convention.

HAYES: Yes, right.

CONFESSORE: They want to see prominent Sanders supporters get speaking roles during the rest of the convention. They want access to the proceedings of the convention. They want access to the proceedings of the convention.

So there is some of that, right?

But I do think it`s different in the sense that Bernie Sanders really cares about the policy. And n some ways he might be able to get some of them, but others are further apart for Hillary Clinton.

HAYES: It is interesting you talk about the process and the policy here. That in some ways the process -- this campaign has been remarkably consistent in the policies it pushed for from the first day he declared to a handful of reporters other Capitol Hill and went back for a vote.

The process stuff is new. It has developed over the course of the campaign. And in some ways seems less substantively important to what the Bernie Sanders mission was about from the beginning.

CONFESSORE: Not just that, right? It`s confusing in a way, right? Superdelegates are part of the story that he has told his supporters as to why he`s lost, but it`s not part of the facts as to why he lost. He didn`t lose because of superdelegates, he lost actual delegates. But it`s part of the idea of why he lost and I think that`s why it`s mix.

You know, the primaries and caucuses -- you know, he did very well in the caucuses, which as you know are not the most democratic form of primaries. So in a strange way, yes, they are newer. And they feel less central to his message.

HAYES: Yeah, that`s right. And it`s also unclear -- if you want to make the process more democratic, small "d" democratic, I think getting rid of superdelegates is probably a good idea. But then the caucuses are their own sort of issue. That doesn`t seem to be on the table.

Nick Confessore, you`re down here doing a story on Trump?

CONFESSORE: Correct, stay tuned.

HAYES: Yeah, we`ll look for that.

Up next, continued fallout from Donald Trump`s proposal to ban people of the Muslim faith and Republican lawmakers really, truly do not seem to want to talk about it at all. You`ve got to hear these responses. That`s right after this break.



TRUMP: I called for a ban after San Bernardino and was met with great scorn and anger. But now, many years, and I have to say many years, but many are saying that I was right to do so. And although the pause is temporary, we must find out what is going on.


HAYES: That was Donald Trump yesterday reaffirming his proposed policy to ban people of the Muslim faith from entering the U.S., something he discussed expanding in his response to the massacre here in Orlando.

It now appears Republicans otherwise quick to talk about terrorism are struggling to deal with the central national security views and policy proposals of their party`s standard-bearer.

Earlier today NBC News political reporter Benji Sarlin asked Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania about Trump`s response to the Orlando attacks. Says Toomey rushed to an elevator, quote, "I didn`t follow it closely." Elevate doors then closed.

From Senator Mitch McConnell "I`m not going to be commenting on the presidential candidates today."

When Sarlin asked Representative Patrick McHenry of North Carolina, whether he supported the nominee, he suggested Sarlin call his office.

Joining me now, Rasha Mubarak. She`s the Orlando regional coordinator council of American Islamic Relations, thank you for being here.


HAYES: I guess let`s start with the politics of this moment. How are you, just as someone American yourself, as someone who works with this organization, at CAIR, how are you understanding the last few days?

MUBARAK: I don`t even know if I am understanding what`s been happening. I mean, the last 48 hours or so, it`s been an out of body experience. You know, from reading the names of the victims last night at the candlelight vigil and seeing their pictures of the names that I read on stage was something so -- something that I can never forget or get out of my mind.

And we`ve actually been with the victims and their families for the last two days and seeing -- you know, people were wailing in the hallways and finding out that their loved ones didn`t make it. So it`s something very traumatic here as Floridians, as Americans, not just as a Muslim-American.

HAYES: are you heartened at all that both -- in this community, this sort of sense of unity and purpose seems very profound. Talking to people the last few days seems a universe away from the political discussion that`s been happening. Are you heartened by polling today showing that maybe that`s sort of where the American electorate in general is at at this moment?

MUBARAK: Right, it`s absolutely, because the LGBT community and the Muslim community here, we have such a strong connection. We`ve been part of a movement family for years. We`ve been going to battle for each other in the legislative hallways...

HAYES: Really, is that true?

MUBARAK: Yes, and we`re fighting anti-hate bills for both communities. And I think that the first thing that my friend from the LGBT community did is call me, and he said, I want you to know that we stand united and we`re not going to let this divide us. And it`s been overwhelming the compassion towards our community. And so we`ve been kind of standing together in all of this.

HAYES: Newt Gingrich said something today that really caught my attention. The House Unamerican Activities Committee, which was actually formed in the 1930s and then of course became Joseph McCarthy`s vehicle for pursuing the red scare, he said we should bring it back. Take a listen to what he said.


NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: In the late 1930s, President Franklin Roosevelt was faced with Nazi penetration in the United States. We originally created the House Unamerican Activities Committee to go after Nazis. We passed several laws in 1938 and 1939 to go after Nazis. And we made it illegal to help the Nazis.

We`re going to presently have to go take the similar steps here.


HAYES: This is not a fringe figure who is calling for a kind of (inaudible) that would go after imagined jihadis or jihadi sympathizers. What do you think about that?

MUBARAK: I think -- I mean, they make a point there right? I mean, I think that any kind of extreme or radicalization and we kind of have to separate the two from Islam and from the extremists. And I think that here on the ground locally, I think that a lot of people are doing that. You can see the compassion, and you can see the -- that there is no sense of any kind of hate here in the community.

And as far as like sympathizing, there`s -- in the Muslim community they`re not thinking about the backlash so much as they`re thinking about the actually being there for the community. So, it`s not exactly in the back of our minds as far as the backlash and the fear.

HAYES: Really, that`s interesting.

MUBARAK: It exists. And there has been death threats to mosques. But like right now we`re focused on actually being there for the community.

HAYES: The centrality of what the horror that occurred down there is the front of mind concern?

MUBARAK: Right, because we don`t want to take away from that. And I think that as soon as we start playing into the propaganda of any kind of radicalization, then we`re kind of playing into that, what the candidate`s talking about, and we want to stay away from that. We don`t want to be able to be part of that narrative or messaging at all.

HAYES: All right, Rasha Mubarak, great thank you for joining me tonight. I appreciate it.

Still to come, we`ll have the latest developments in the investigation into the Pulse attack. What we we`re learning about the shooter, his potential motivations as well. Later, I`ll talk with Dan Savage about the reverberations for the LGBT community across the country. Do not go anywhere.


HAYES: As we get results in the final Democratic contest of the 2016 primary season in Washington, D.C., moments ago Bernie Sanders arrived at that Washington Hilton Hotel for his meeting with the presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton. We can also report at this hour that Clinton has arrived at the hotel as well.

Now, this is their first meeting since Hillary Clinton became the presumptive Democratic nominee. We`ll be following that story and the results from the D.C. primary throughout the evening right here on MSNBC.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: Today, several of the survivors of the attack on the Pulse nightclub spoke out publicly for the first time. One of those people was Patience Carter. She traveled to Orlando with a friend`s family on vacation. And this afternoon, the 20-year-old read a poem she wrote overnight.


PATIENCE CARTER, ORLANDO SURVIVOR: The guilt of feeling grateful to be alive is heavy. Wanting to smile about surviving but not sure if the people around you are ready. As the world mourns the victims killed and viciously slain, I feel guilty about screaming about my legs in pain because I could feel nothing like the other 49 who weren`t so lucky to feel this pain of mine. I never thought in a million years that this could happen. I never thought in a million years that my eyes could witness something so tragic. Looking at the souls leaving the bodies of individuals, looking at the killer`s machine gun throughout my right peripheral, looking at the blood and debris covered on everyone`s faces, looking at the gunman`s feet under the stall as he paces. The guilt of feeling lucky to be alive is heavy. It`s like the weight of the ocean`s walls crushing uncontrolled by levees. It`s like being drug through the grass with a shattered leg and thrown on the back of a Chevy. It`s like being rushed to the hospital and told you`re going to make it when you laid beside individuals whose lives are brutally taken. The guilt of being alive is heavy.




JIM VAN HORN, PULSE NIGHCLUB PATRON: He was trying to pick up people, men. He`s a homosexual and he was trying to pick up men. He would walk up to them and then he would maybe put his arm around them or something and maybe try to get them to dance a little bit or something.


HAYES: New reports today corroborating our original reporting on the Pulse nightclub attacker, Omar Mateen, further complicating what was already a perplexing back story about the man who so remorselessly murdered 49 people early Sunday morning.

I spoke yesterday with Cord Cedeno, a Pulse regular who says Mateen contacted him on a gay dating app, and says his friends recognize Mateen from the club.

Numerous people have now come forward to report similar experiences, including they`d seen Mateen at Pulse several times before.

Ty Smith and Chris Callen told the Canadian Press, they recalled him being escorted drunk from the Pulse bar on multiple occasions.

According to ABC News, the club`s head of security, Estella Peterkin, said she had to kick Mateen out multiple times for bad behavior.

Authorities told NBC News, the is looking into the possibility the gunman frequented Pulse on previous occasions and that he may have tried to contact patrons through gay dating apps. Grindr, one of the apps Mateen allegedly used, confirmed it has been in touch with investigators, but declined to divulge any details.

It`s still unclear what Mateen`s intentions were, if he did, in fact, visit Pulse all those times, whether he was casing the place for awhile, scouting out his target, or whether he just wanted to go to a gay bar.

Up next, Donald Trump, depicting himself as an LGBT ally in the wake of the attack. Dan Savage joins me to talk about that and the reaction among the LGBT community nationwide. Stick around.


HAYES: All right, we have some breaking news. NBC News can now project that the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, has won the final primary contest of this election season, D.C. Democratic primary, tonight against Bernie Sanders. And moments ago, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders arrived at the Washington Hilton for the two to meet for their first meeting since she became the presumptive nominee for the Democratic party.

In general election politics, Donald Trump now says he`s the strongest possible ally to the LGBT community, better by far than Hillary Clinton.


TRUMP: She`s no friend of women, and she`s no friend of LGBT Americans, no friend, believe me.


HAYES: That is not what he told the Christian Broadcasting Network in an interview in February.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The head of the Log Cabin Republicans, the gay Republican group, says that Donald Trump will be the most pro-gay Republican presidential candidate that we have out there. I want to get your take on what he said.

TRUMP: Well, I haven`t heard it. I mean, I have not heard that at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, well what`s your reaction to that? Because there are evangelicals out there that want to be able to trust you on traditional marriage and other issues...

TRUMP: I think they can trust me. They can trust me on traditional marriage. Frankly, it should have been state -- I was very much in favor of having the court rule that it goes to states and let the states decide.

And that was a shocking decision for you and for me and for a lot of other people.


HAYES: All right, joining me now, Dan Savage, nationally syndicated advice columnist, host of The Savage Love Cast.

And, Dan, I want you to respond to that, before that I just want to hear how you are processing the last few days in the wake of what happened just a few yards behind me.

DAN SAVAGE, COLUMNIST: It`s been harrowing and upsetting. I`ve cried. I had to record the introduction to my podcast this week immediately in the wake of it.

But like so many, I`m looking to the rallies. I`m looking to the vigils I`m looking to the support starting in the office of the president on down all through (inaudible) of society for the victims and also for the LGBT community and taking strength from that.

HAYES: You know, Trump unveiled this new line of attack in the speech the other day, which is basically almost an importation of a certain kind of European right-wing politics. We saw with Pim Fortuyn, who a Dutch politician, basically saying, I am an ally of LGBT people because I will be the most anti-Muslim candidate, essentially.

What`s your reaction to watching him try to essentially pit these two constituencies against each other?

SAVAGE: We`re not going to fall for it. And you can`t draw a clean line between the LGBT community and the Muslim community because there are LGBT Muslims in the United States and all over the world. Muslims are a part of the LGBT community, not distinct from it.

LGBT people come from all races, all faiths, all ethnic backgrounds, all classes. And Donald Trump attempting to pit the queer community against the Muslim community is not going to fly. We don`t believe him. Donald Trump has pledged to undo marriage equality. Donald Trump is the enemy of the LGBT community just as he is the enemy of the Muslim community.

And beating up on what is in the United States a vulnerable minority group isn`t the way that you impress other members of other vulnerable minority groups to win their support.

HAYES: It struck me watching the reaction to this, you said a lot of it has been heartening and particularly here in Orlando I felt that way. And that this was -- the community`s being embraced and sort of lifted up in this horrible, traumatic moment.

It struck me -- I imagine the reaction to this 10 or 20 years ago would be very different in this country to what we`re seeing now.

SAVAGE: Absolutely.

And the real measure I think is the reaction of the culture when HIV/AIDS slammed into the gay community, and hundreds, and then thousands, and then tens of thousands of gay and bi men were dying. And the country, beginning in the office of the president, turned its back on us and ignored us and did nothing. And we had to get out there and we had to fight the virus and we had to fight the indifference and the greed and the racism that made the virus deadlier than it already was, really for many years on our own.

And so to see this reaction, when 49 people have died, which is 49 too many, and the massacre in Orlando is gutting and traumatic, but to see the whole society really push back and rise up and come to the aid of and to the defense of the queer community, particularly the queer Latino and Hispanic community, and to compare that to the reaction 30 years ago when HIV/AIDS slammed into the gay community, tells you everything you need to know really about the progress that we`ve made over the last few decades in humanizing queer people to the rest of the culture and the rest of the population.

HAYES: Quickly, Dan what do you make of all this reporting about the shooter frequenting Pulse, about messaging people on gay dating apps, the former classmate who said he essentially asked him out? It`s very hard to get one`s head around and I`m wondering what your reaction is.

SAVAGE: I agree with Josh Barro who on Twitter pointed out that self- loathing, violent closet case, and radicalized religious extremist, are not mutually exclusive categories. There are a lot of self-loathing queer people out there. Most of them are self-loathing because of religion, because the (inaudible) religion put on their heads. So, he could be both of those things -- a self-loathing deeply conflicted gay or bi man and also have been radicalized and a religious extremist. And, so these are not mutually exclusive categories as Josh Barro pointed out.

HAYES: Yeah, it is not either/or in any of these circumstances. Dan Savage, thanks for your time. Really appreciate it.

SAVAGE: Thank you.

HAYES: That is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now.