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All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 09/14/15

Guests: Tripp Gabriel, Michael Steele, Evan McMorris-Santoro

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. Donald Trump tonight spoke at a sold-out rally at the American Airlines Center in Dallas, took the opportunity to tout his own success as television gold. DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I had a lawyer come up to see me a little while ago. He said, Mr. Trump, I have been doing this for 35 years. I`ve never seen what`s happened here. I got a call from the writer from "The New York Times." I have great respect for "the New York Times." called up -- I know. I hear that. It`s OK. It`s a good story, not a bad story. And he said, could I can ask you a question. I said, what? Very powerful writer, actually. He said, how does it feel? I said, how does what feel? He said, what you`ve done has never ever been done before. You`ve dominated, taking over the polls. You know, on television on FOX and CNN, they call it all Trump all the time. Can you believe it? All Trump all the time. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) And by the way, their ratings are through the roof. If they weren`t they wouldn`t put me on. I`ll be honest with you. It`s a simple formula in entertainment and television. If you get good ratings -- if you get good ratings, and these aren`t good, these are monster, then you`ll be on all the time, even if you have nothing to say. If you come up with a cure for a major, major horrendous disease and if you don`t get ratings, they won`t bother even reporting it. It`s very simple business. Very simple. So, we`ve gone on, we`ve had a lot of fun, and now it`s time to really start, because this is going to happen, I`m telling you. This -- I`m not going anywhere. Somebody said -- today. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) We`re not going anywhere. Software somebody said today, you`ve done so well, you don`t have to go any further. I said, are you crazy? You know what, the writer at "The Times" told me, he said it`s been amazing what you`ve done. I said, I haven`t won. We haven`t won anything. I mean I`m having fun and all, but I haven`t won. There has been no victory. He said, it doesn`t matter. What you`ve done is incredible. You have won. I said, you`re wrong. Unless I win, it`s been a waste of time for me, folks, I`ll be honest with you. Been a total waste of time. I really mean that too. We should have won -- thank you. He said you will win. We should have won last time. Mitt Romney let us down. I mean, he let us down. He let us down. You know, one of the things that I`m really happy about, I`m surging they said. Can you believe this one? I`m surging with women. Can you believe it? (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) I have such respect for women. I cherish women. I`m going to take such good care of women`s health care issues, you won`t even believe it, but I`m surging with women. One of the things coming out -- I`m watching television, and they said Trump is surging with women. I said really? That`s amazing. You know, it`s incredible. I make like statements -- you know, Carly is giving me a little bit of a hard time even though her poll numbers are horrible. She is the one. She was another one. She is surging. Ben is -- everyone is surging but me. Hillary is not surging, I tell you that. They`re not saying that. They`re not saying -- thank you. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) Hillary is not surging. Well, look, I like Carly. And I like Ben. And I like many of the people that I`m running against. I mean, many of these people are terrific people. But nobody is going to be able to do the job that I`m going to do. Nobody. They won`t. They won`t. Don`t forget, I love these people back here. (CHANTING) (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) But they won`t. I mean, what I do is -- I do deals. I deal. I have tremendous energy, tremendous. To a point where it`s almost ridiculous, when you think about it. But we need somebody with great energy, with great passion, with great deal-making skills. And we need a closer. We need closers. We don`t have closers. We just don`t have closers. And honestly, they`re not deal people. I`ll tell you, they`re good at raising money for their PACs or whatever the hell -- they`re probably not supposed to do it but they`re doing it anyway. It`s illegal as hell, but I think they`re doing it anybody. You ever notice they have money in the PAC, they don`t have hard money but the PAC is giving -- I`m saying, what`s going on over here? I`m not allowed -- how come I can`t talk to anybody? And again, I have to tell you this and I want to have your opinion. So, I`m self-funding, I told you. But if you took hundreds of millions, I tell you what, I could have $200 million so fast. If I took that, would you people object if I promise not to do anything from the people I took it from? No. I had a group in Iowa, actually they were much more vocal about this issue. I stood up -- I realize how important it is, putting your own money in, because, you know, I`m telling people that Jeb, nice guy, really a nice guy -- Jeb, Hillary -- well, Jeb is more popular than one person, I know. But all of them. I don`t want to go through the names. They have money put up in PACs or hard money, whatever -- wherever the money is. Believe me, I was the king. I was the king. You know, I was the white-haired -- no, blonde-haired. Let`s say blonde. But I was the blond head -- I was perfect. I was the ultimate. I was the ultimate sort of insider. I put up money. They loved me. But then when I said I`m running they all looked at me like -- the RNC, Reince is a great guy but they looked at me like, you`re not supposed to be doing that. You`re not supposed to be putting up money. If you need something in two, three, five years, they`ll do whatever you want. What happened is, I know the system I think better than anybody. I know the taxes. Look, taxes, who knows better than me? We`re going to reduce taxes. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) We`re going to make the hedge -- any hedge fund guys, you got good seats. If there are any hedge fund guys in this room? If there are you should probably leave right now. That`s a -- but I have a friend in the hedge fund business -- not really a friend. Not actually a nice guy, but he would be good representing us. I tell you because by the time I finish he might not have much of a hedge fund left. I said, what did you make last year? He said about $250 million. This is serious. I said, oh. That`s a lot of money. What did you pay in taxes? He goes, Don, practically nothing. That was a couple of years ago. I never forgot it. The other day, he calls me up because he hears me talking about hedge fund guys are going to pay up. He calls me up the other day. I was only kidding. He doesn`t know what to do. The truth is they`ll do just fine. Because we`re going to make the country so successful, they`ll do just fine. They`ll end up doing better. They`ll end up doing better. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) But we`ve got to lower taxes for a lot of people. Corporations paying far too much. Far too much. Middle income people are being decimated. They`re being decimated. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) I mean, we have a group of 200 guys, but -- but the middle income in this country is being decimated, and we`re going to change it. We`re going to change it. So, I`ll be announcing, over the next three or so weeks, I`ll be announcing I think a great tax plan. I know the tax code. I know everything about it probably as well as anybody there is, right? And we`re going to be doing something that`s going to be really pro-growth, really reduction in taxes. We`re going to get the $2.5 trillion that`s in other countries, we`re going to get it back. They can`t -- (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) We`re going to get it back. And you know, you have corporate inversion. Does anybody know what that means? You know, in the old days people might leave New York for Texas or they may go from New Jersey to Florida or whatever. It`s not that way anymore. Now they go from this country to other countries. And they go for two reasons -- lower taxes, lower labor, but lower taxes. You have countries that want to charge them nothing, so they take these companies. And these guys, they make a fortune. They have no real loyalty in many cases, no real loyalty to the United States. They want to show a good profit and loss statement. So they take -- and they go to another country and, all of a sudden, their numbers look good. They can`t bring their money back in. And, by the way, for two and a half, three years, I`ve seen -- every politician agrees that we should lower the tax on bringing money because it`s so onerous that nobody in this room would bring that money back. Everybody says it. For two and a half years the Democrats, Republicans, conservatives. Everybody. They can`t make a deal. We have a government that`s really messed up because we don`t have a leader at the top. A right leader could get it done. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) The right leader will get it done, and you will see numbers like you never have seen before. I actually believe that -- and we`re in trouble. You know, I have made the statement -- and I`ve said this before. The American dream is dead, but I`m going to make it bigger and better and stronger than ever before. I have made that statement. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) And I`ll tell you what happens. And it happens a lot. The other day I went home, and I said to my wife, what`s wrong? Oh, darling, you were very tough. What? What did I do? Of course it`s live television. She said, you said the American dream is dead. I said, no. I said the American dream is dead but I`m going to make it bigger and better and stronger than ever before. She said, no, you didn`t, you just said it`s dead. So, I turn on television. It`s wonderful now you can record this stuff and see it ten hours later. I turn on television and it`s me standing in this big crowd. The American dream is dead! Cut. I said, oh. Again, the dishonest media. You know, I went ballistic. I was so angry. But the American dream, it`s going to be better. We can make it better than ever before. We can do -- (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) I mean, we`re in Texas. We can do things with oil and gas that will be unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Try sending your oil outside of the boundaries of the United States. How ridiculous. And we`re sitting on top because of technology. We can be the number one energy producer in the world right here in the United States. But we have archaic laws. We have -- everything is wrong. I have so many friends in the energy business. They`re great people, they`re working. They`re not as rich as they were about two months ago. But these are minor details. They`ll be fine. But we can do things with energy that will be so, so incredible, which is great for Texas, but it`s great for the country. It`s great for the country. (APPLAUSE) Now, China, Japan -- true. You can`t be upset with China or Japan or Mexico. Can`t be upset with anyone. You know, when I announced for the presidency, it was very interesting what happened. I made a beautiful speech. I thought it was wonderful. Everything was fine. About a week and a half later, they attacked me. In other words, they went -- and then they lied. They made it up. And they talked about -- talking about illegal immigration. I brought up a subject called illegal immigration. And I just saw backstage some of the families who were decimated. Their families were decimated. Their sons, their daughters killed by illegal immigrants. And it`s a massive problem. We have to stop illegal immigration. We have to do it. We have to do it. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) Have to do it. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) (CROWD CHANTING "USA, USA, USA") And when I hear some of the people that I`m running against, including the Democrats, we have to build a wall, folks. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) We have to build a wall. And a wall works. All you have to do is go to Israel and say, how is your wall working? Walls work. And I want people to come into the country, but I want them to be legal. I want them to go through the process. I want them to come in. I want to have a big, beautiful door, but they have to be legal. They have to be. And if they`re not going to be, they can`t come in. And I`ll tell you what, the first thing we do, you know -- people don`t realize. You look at crime in Chicago, you look at crime in so many different places, and you see gangs. Many of these gang members are illegal immigrants. They`re rough dudes. They will be out of here so freaking fast -- (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) And I think a lot of these countries send them in here because they don`t want them. What do they want them in prison for 40 years? They -- look, look, whether it`s -- any country. Their leaders are smarter than our leaders. They`re more cunning. They`re tougher, they`re better. And we take them Kate in San Francisco, this magnificent young woman, shot in the back by a guy that was sent over here probably pushed over, who knows? But he was an illegal immigrant. Came over, went to San Francisco. We have to end this sanctuary cities crap fast, fast! (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) So, he admits he`s guilty. Now he`s got a lawyer. Oh, well, he didn`t really know. He wasn`t aiming there. It was a ricochet. Blah, blah, blah. It`s disgusting what`s happening to our country. We are a dumping ground for the rest of the world. We are. A dumping ground. And let me tell you something, the whole subject of anchor babies, did you hear that character from one of the networks? Anchor baby is just really not a nice term. I said, what would you do? What would you say? And he gives me like a 12-word definition. I said, no, we`ll have to use anchor baby. I don`t mean to be disrespectful. But when a man has a problem and he`s got his wife or his girlfriend and they move her over to the border for one day, has the baby on the other side of the border, our side, now that baby is a citizen of our country for however long the baby lives. (BOOS) Hopefully a long -- it`s wrong. It`s wrong. And by the way, by the way, the law doesn`t call that. That`s not what the law says. And people are finding out now that I`m right. We didn`t say that somebody could be pregnant for nine months, come across the border, have a baby and now it`s ours and we have to take care of the baby forever. It doesn`t say that. It does not say it. So, we have to straighten out. We have to straighten out our act. We`re going to have a great country. We`re going to have a great border. We`re going to have a border that`s a real border. You people are suffering. I mean, I`m in New York, but from New York, too. They`re all over the place. We want people to be in our country legally! Legally. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) And we want great people, too. We want people of achievement. If you go to Harvard or Stanford or the Wharton School of Finance or any of these schools, or Yale, and you`re the top in your class, you graduate, you want to stay in the United States and you want to have your career here -- you can`t. They throw you out. They put you back in China. They send you back to Mexico. They send -- those are the people. We need those people. We need them in Silicon Valley. We need them in Manhattan. We need them in Dallas. We need them. Why are we throwing them out? They want to be in this country, and we throw them out. So, we have so many things we can do. So many things we can do. Now, I`ll give you a little thing that happened the other day. I made a speech on behalf of the Tea Party. By the way, the Tea Party people are fantastic people, OK. (CHEERS) They are fantastic people. They love the country so much. And you talk about people that get decimated. They just get decimated by the media. These are fantastic people. They love this country. These are the people that we want. But I look at what`s going on, and I look at what`s happening, and I made a speech in Washington the other day for the tea party, and your senator too, by the way, Senator Cruz, who happens to be a good guy, good guy. (APPLAUSE) Now, if he comes out and attacks me on Wednesday night, I will take it back immediately, OK? But he is a good guy. So I`m standing there, and the Capitol building has a massive scaffolding around it, right? Have you seen it? Massive. I said, man, that`s a big deal. As a real estate guy, the thing I do best is build. Hey, wouldn`t it be good to have a president that really knows how to build? Like, I`m so good at it. Infrastructure, roads, airports, highways, I could do it for a fraction. You know, I`m building the old Post Office on Pennsylvania Avenue, under budget, ahead of schedule. Can you believe that? And I got it from the Obama administration. And everybody else wanted it, which I still haven`t figured out, actually. But it`s going to be a great hotel. But they`re doing the capitol building, and it`s got massive, massive scaffolding. And we`re having, in 2016, you know, we`re going to have a thing called, like, an election, right? And they say that this massive scaffolding -- I heard this the other day from a construction firm that`s involved in the job, that this massive scaffolding, they want to have it for the inauguration. Wouldn`t that be nice for me? But they want to have all the scaffolding down, but they can`t do the work because they don`t have enough time. They have so much time. What are they doing? Caulking, pointing, fixing. What the hell are they doing? It`s not a big deal. So they`re going to take all of the scaffolding down, pay millions of dollars to do that, millions, and then after the inauguration, they`ll put it back up and pay millions of dollars again. You believe that? Right? Now, I say, do it simpler. Get them to work faster. Do you agree? I like the idea. No, no. I like the idea of the scaffolding being down when they`re swearing me in, I do. I don`t want to see all this scaffolding all over the place. I want to see that beautiful rotunda. I want to see it. I love it. Such a beautiful building. But you know what, I told them, I said, why don`t you just move faster? Work faster. Get it done. So you take it down, you don`t have to put it up. They said, we never thought of that. Believe it? But they`re going to take it down. They`re going to take it down. I hear the contract is already -- so they`re going to take it down and put it back up. Can you believe this? So, let me tell you. I`m going to save my first money for the United States. If I win, I will let the scaffolding stay up, OK? All right? I`ll let it stay up. (APPLAUSE) We`ll save millions of dollars. So in the pictures they`ll have some scaffolding. They can probably nowadays do something with that anyway. So, in the pictures we`ll have some scaffolding. Not if I win -- I love this woman. Stand up. What did you just say? Not if you win, when you win. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) So, a story I tell is a friend of mine who is a big manufacturer, great guy. Can`t do business with China. Can`t get his stuff in there. He calls me, he`s depressed. He says to me, Donald, I can`t deal with China. He is a good guy. Does great stuff. Better than they do. I can`t sell it. They won`t take it. Finally, they`re taking it. They`re charging him a massive tax. A massive tax. Another friend of mine recently, he bought an airplane. A rich guy. Bought -- like for these people here. They probably all have the same -- but a really good plane. I said, why did you sell your -- he said, well, what happened is a man from China ordered a plane, and he can`t get it back into China because the tax is humongous. So, he is selling it cheap. The guy from China took a hair cut because the tax is so big. You don`t know about these stories, and yet we take everything they have, no tax, free market. Now, Japan. Japan sells us millions of cars. I was in Los Angeles a few weeks ago. The biggest ships I`ve ever seen, ever. Thousands of cars pouring off, pouring off, pouring. We give them beef. And they don`t want it. You ever see where their farmers are protesting, they don`t want it? We send it back. By the time it goes back again it`s all gone. Mexico. Everybody is moving to Mexico. You know that, right? Do you know that? So many people moving to Mexico. I love Mexico. I love Mexico. I deal with -- I have hundreds and hundreds and thousands, actually, of people that are Mexicans. They work for me. They`re great people. But their leaders are smart. They`re smart. So we have Nabisco the other day. Oreos. I refuse to eat Oreos anymore. They`re moving their plant to Mexico from Chicago. Why? (BOOS) How does it help us? How does it help us? Ford. Ford -- $2.5 billion plant being built in Mexico. (BOOS) For cars and trucks and everything. I said the other day, it`s actually not a bad idea because they can build a car, build a truck, and they can have the illegals drive it right across the border. Nobody is going to check them. They`ll save a fortune. They`ll save a fortune. So, I don`t want them spending $2.5 billion -- that`s a hell of a plant. Tennessee, another major car company, all set to go in Tennessee. At the last moment, they said we`re not going to Tennessee. We`re going to Mexico. It`s going to become the car capital of the world. So, what happens is Ford, $2.5 billion plant. I said, what would Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton do if they were president? You have to remember what I said. They`re controlled by the people that gave them the money, totally, by the lobbyists and special interests. But they`re smart. They would say, we don`t like this deal. We`re going to end it. And then they would be called by their lobbyist and say, "Hillary, we gave you millions of dollars, and I represent Ford, or whatever the company it is. And we don`t want you to do that. It`s no good. We don`t want you to do that." And you know what they`re going to say? OK, I`ll let them build it. Now, compare that -- first of all, believe me, that plant doesn`t get built there. It gets built right next to -- might not be here. It`s going to be maybe in Michigan where they`re being decimated with the plants. They`re being -- everybody is leaving. They`re going to Mexico. And other places. So, I said to myself, what would Bush do? What would Hillary do? And what would Trump do? First of all, who would you rather have negotiating, Jeb or Trump? AUDIENCE: Trump! TRUMP: Believe me. How about this? Hillary, who by the way was the worst secretary of state in the history of our country -- (CHEERS) You think about it. Would you rather have Hillary negotiating, or would you rather have Trump? AUDIENCE: Trump! TRUMP: OK. So let`s say -- you know what Jeb does, you know what Hillary does. The plant gets built. No problem. Don`t worry about it. What the hell. It`s only 10,000 jobs or whatever it was, billions of dollars. Our country is being drained. We`re being -- our jobs are being stolen by all these countries. Not just them. All of them. So what would President Trump do? President Trump. Trump, Trump, Trump. What would President Trump do? So I`d call the head of Ford or whatever company. But I call the head of Ford. I`d say, congratulations. I understand you`re building a massive plant in Mexico and you`re taking a lot of jobs away from us in Michigan and other places. I don`t like that. I don`t like it. I just don`t like it. And he`ll say, well, Mr. President. It`s wonderful, wonderful for the economy. Oh, great, just great. It`s wonderful for whose economy? Not for our economy. We lose on everything. We lose on jobs, we lose on money. We lose on everything. So, what I would say is the following. I don`t want you to do that. And if you do it, you`re not going to have any cars coming across the border unless you pay a 35 percent tax. That`s it. That`s it. (APPLAUSE) No. That`s it! And they`re going to say -- they`re going to say to me, Mr. President, please, please, please. Now, I guarantee you. Let`s say I make this call at 9:00 in the morning. By 5:00 in the afternoon, I think the deal is done, they move back to the United States. It may take a half a day longer. It may be 12:00 the following day. But I guarantee you -- so they`ll -- but what will happen is I will be called by lobbyists. But they`re not giving any, any money. I won`t take it. I turned down $5 million last week. I just go like this. I close my eyes. You know, it`s not natural to me to turn down money, doesn`t that make -- but I turn it down, because once -- I know the game. Once they give you, you sort of owe them, right? You know? How can you tell a guy, you know, you gave me $5 million, you help me get elected and I`m going to hurt with your client? So what happens, I would say, is that I will get a call from the head of Ford, and he`ll say, Mr. Trump, you`re doing the wrong thing. I`ll say, all right, that`s fine. Just do it. Just do what I say. Do what I say. And I guarantee you, after I tell all the lobbyists, special interests and people that donate to everybody else but me because I won`t take their money, after I tell them all no, within a short period of time they`ll call up and say, Mr. President, we`ve decided to move our plant back to the United States, sir. That`s what is going to happen. That`s what`s going to happen. So just a couple more points. And, you know -- it`s depressing. Isn`t it depressing? You know, we`re together. We love each other. But it`s like depressing if you think about it because it doesn`t end. I could stand up here all night long. I could tell you stories. They`re all depressing. But the good news is they can all be remedied, every one of them. They can be remedied. So Iran deal. Iran deal. They did not read that great book -- where is that book? "The Art of the Deal." They did not read it. Secretary of State Kerry, he actually may go down as worse than Hillary Clinton because he made this deal. He may be the worst. He may top her because this deal is the all-time worst. We`re giving them 1.5 -- think of this. We`re actually giving them $150 billion. Now, think of it. No. Think of it. We don`t have the right to inspect. We have to wait 24 days, but before the clock starts ticking, we have to go through this whole process. I mean, they could build their nuclear whatever, distribute them, then have plenty of time left to clean the place up. So you have a 24-day period, not anytime, anywhere, which is what it should be. Think of another thing. They have one instance where, in a very major area, they self-inspect. Now, can you believe this? They do their own inspections. They do their own inspections. And another thing. Look. Having a good deal -- we should have doubled the sanctions let them wait for another month or two, they would have come. We would have had a deal like you`ve ever seen. We have our chief negotiator, Secretary Kerry at 73 years old goes into a bicycle race. No, think of it. He`s wearing the whole deal -- the helmet. He think he is in a bicycle race. He`s actually in a race. It wasn`t just casual, I could understand that. This is a guy that`s in a bicycle race. 73 years old, all the gear, falls, breaks his leg in the middle of our thing. Takes two weeks off, goes back with crutches, the people from Iran say, what a shmuck. can you believe it? No, but this is who we negotiate with. Now, think of this. It`s embarrassing. Isn`t it like embarrassing? How do you -- I swear to you that, if I`m elected president I will never go into a bicycle race. I swear. So -- but you know, one of the things that so bothers me -- it would be great to have a deal because nuclear is a bad, bad thing. When you talk about global warming, all this stuff, you know Obama thinks the single biggest threat in the world today is global warming. OK. Can you believe it? Then they change it to climate change because the word "global warming" wasn`t working. They changed it to extreme weather. You can`t get hurt with extreme weather. Do you agree? It`s always going to be. There is a tornado, there`s a little cold, there`s a wind. It`s always extreme. He said the biggest threat we have is extreme weather. And I say, in terms of global warming, the biggest threat we have is nuclear global warming because we have incompetent politicians. That`s the biggest threat we have. Not global warming, nuclear global warming. That`s the biggest threat we have. Believe me. So, with Iran, believe me, if I get in, you know, I am a person, I believe in contracts, but boy, this one barely, barely -- I will police that thing, that horrible, horrible -- I buy a lot of -- I buy people, when they go down the tubes, I buy bad contracts. I love to buy bad contracts and then I make them good. But I take that contract, I will do a number of those guys -- and I`m telling them up front, we will do a number that will make you very proud. We`re going to end up with a good deal one way or the other. And before I ever -- if I win -- in that little period before I take office, you know what I`m going to say. Our prisoners, those prisoners that Iran has that should have been let go two years ago and should have never even been prisoners, one of them -- one of them is a prisoner because he`s a Christian. He is a Christian pastor. One is a member of the press. You have a military -- this is the most incredible thing. Another is a journalist. So it was three people. But then they took another one. So now it`s four. Now, Secretary Kerry and President Obama, when asked about why didn`t we at least get our prisoners back? We got nothing. They`re going to be a rich terrorist state. They are going to do numbers throughout the world. We`re fighting them in Yemen. We`re fighting them in so many different places. They didn`t want to bring that up either. But when they said, why didn`t you get our prisoners back? They said, we didn`t want to complicate the negotiation. Think of it. Think of it. So what I said is very simple. If you had the right messenger, not Kerry, not Obama, if you had the right messenger, that messenger -- let`s say it`s me. And by the way, by the way, I know the greatest negotiators in the world. And you`ve heard me say it, some of them are horrible human beings. They`re miserable, disgusting people. who cares. Who cares. Who cares. They`re phenomenal, natural negotiators. Andy knows what I am talking about. These people are so tough and so ruthless and so brilliant -- now, the Ford deal is too easy. I would just handle that. No problem. I don`t want to waste anybody`s time. That`s too easy. But I know the toughest guys in the world. Toughest, smartest negotiators. I know people that are great, I know people that are overrated. I won`t use them. I know people you`ve never heard of that are better than all of them. I know the toughest guys and the smartest guys in the world. Carl Icahn called me. Carl Icon is a great guy. Very successful. If I Carl Icahn in charge of trade with China, believe me, believe me, we would do great. And you know... HAYES: All right. Well, that`s Donald Trump speaking in Dallas. He is giving us fairly standard stump speech, although a long, discursive riff on the end of his relationship with NBC, particularly Apprentice. Shouted out Steve Burke, the CEO of NBC/Universal, said he`s a great guy, wanted people to make sure that he got that on the record, talked about amicable divorce. Talked about things happening at the upfronts, going through his multimillion dollar TV contract during his riff, which I think is part of the populist outsider appeal that everyone has so ably chronicled. Joining me now NBC News reporter Katie Tur is in Dallas. Katie, how is it going over down there? KATIE TUR, NBC NEWS: Well, this crowd is absolutely loving this speech. You could almost describe them as rabid. They`re cheering, they`re yelling, they`re clapping, standing up for applause, screaming USA, USA at his immigration remarks. They`re going alongside him at every move. It`s almost like being at an old-school revival out here. People are very much into what he`s saying. The first half of this speech, though, is the first half of every one of his rally stump speeches, it`s all about him. It`s about how much people love him, how much women love him, the polls are on his side. And how great he`s going to be and how smart he is and his memory is wonderful. He spends like the first half of all his speeches doing this, then goes into the policy side of things. And he got a massive reaction out here when he was talking about immigration, building a wall and a beautiful door on that wall for people to come in legally. But once he picked up on immigration, that`s when you saw this crowd really start to kick up. Texas is a border state, of course. They call this one of their main issues that they are concerned about. And when you ask people in this crowd why they love him so much, as they say literally everywhere we go, they say we love that he is not politically correct. They say that he is saying what they are thinking, and it`s proving to them that he`s not part of the establishment, that he`s not beholden to anybody. When I ask them about the comments about Carly Fiorina or Megyn Kelly, I`m getting the same reaction, even from women, that they don`t necessarily care. Yes, he`s not eloquent in the way he says certain things but they think that it doesn`t matter. That he`s going to get into the White House and he`s going to be able to change the course of this country and put it back on track according to them. So, there is really not much, I think, that he can say that will make him stop liking him save for saying that Hillary Clinton is wonderful or Obama is wonderful. He can even talk about universal health care and they think it`s okay when it`s coming from him, not okay of course when it`s coming from Obama. But the crowd here is just thrilled to be in this arena with him right now, Chris. HAYES: All right. Katie Tur, thanks a lot. Trip Gabriel is a political correspondent for the New York Times. MSNBC contributor Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican Party. Trip, you were there in Iowa this weekend. There were some protesters at the event. I think we have like a little bit of tape if we have it of how one of those protesters got treated by someone who I believe it`s sort of unclear whether they are an avowed Donald Trump supporter. They clearly did not like the message of the protest sign. Do we have the tape? Can we roll that? OK. We`re cueing that up. Did you get to see the sort of interaction between Trump supporters and protesters at Iowa State this weekend? TRIP GABRIEL, : Just a little bit, chris. The protesters showed up pretty early. Trump was late. And by the time actually Trump arrived it was such a huge throng around the stage where he spoke that the protesters weren`t seen or heard. But when the protesters did show up and they were pro-immigration folks, critical of Donald Trump`s stances on immigration, his promises to deport 11 million people so fast it will make your head spin, as we heard him say again tonight. And, yeah, there was a certain amount of hostility. I think the incident you have on tape, which I actually didn`t witness, someone`s sign got torn up or ripped. This was a college tailgate event outside of a big game here in Iowa. And it was a young crowd, a lot of people, a lot of people had been drinking. So, it wasn`t surprising that there was some hostility back and forth. HAYES: Michael, the biggest cheers we heard just then was on the immigration riff. Basically, as far as I can tell, Donald Trump is running on two things: one, a kind of sort of North American version of the Caudillo strong man. Like everything is broken -- no, really, it`s basically Perone of the north. Everything is broken. Everyone is feckless and corrupt. You need a strong man like me to come in and bring order. That`s an old appeal. It`s been tried in lots of places, usually led to disaster, sometimes the gulag. And then also very strong immigration crackdown restrictionist rhetoric. And that strikes me as the more difficult, dangerous one for the Republican Party more broadly. STEELE: It is. I don`t know how Donald intends to navigate let`s say as thing progresses further, this race whittles down between him and one or two other people, how he continues to navigate in that vein and not think that it`s going to have some drag on the party. People may like him personally, it doesn`t necessarily mean that they`re going to vote for him at this point, it doesn`t necessarily mean that they`re going to do anything else different down the road. But what it does mean for the party is it becomes more and more difficult for them to extricate themselves from language that a lot of people outside the party perceive as alienating. And that`s one of the things that the chairman, the state party officials, particularly in those border states, are grappling with right now because they`re seeing already the blow-back that is coming from the language and the response that you saw in that hall tonight. HAYES: Tripp, do you get any sense -- you have been covering Trump for The New York Times of any plateauing, any sort of slow-down in the momentum, the forward thrust of this campaign? GABRIEL: No, not. In fact on the contrary. I mean, as he has told everybody in Dallas, his numbers are surging. Whether it`s in the early primary -- the early states like Iowa or New Hampshire or nationally. He has not hit a ceiling yet. I`m not a polling expert, but I think that`s one of of the mysteries of the whole Trump phenomenon. And it`s certainly frustrating for every other Republican traditional candidate in the race, even the non-traditional candidates. HAYES: Yeah. I mean, there is a book in which there is a Don DeLillo book in which there`s something called the most photographed barn in America. And everyone drives up and takes a picture of the most photographed barn in America and then you say, why is it the most photographed barn in america? Well, you say it`s because it says it`s because it`s the most photographed barn in America. It says it on the sign. You have to pull over and take a picture of the most photographed barn in America. And right now Donald Trump is the most covered candidate in America. Why is he the most covered candidate? Because he rates. Why does he rate? Because he is the most covered candidate in America. No one can look away, and thus we must keep watching. STEELE: But Chris, if I could, there is a reason why, though. And you heard it tonight in the speech on immigration. When he started talking about the sanctuary cities. When he says, if I am president we`re not going to deal with the sanctuary city crap. That is blue collar. That is what people sitting in their living rooms watching this are saying and that`s what resonates across the country. HAYES: Almost as much as long details on how you got out of your multimillion dollar TV deal which is also real kitchen table blue-collar issue. We will be right back. Tripp Gabriel, Michael Steele, thank you so much. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right. That was someone who appears to have been a Trump supporter, at least did not like the immigrant protest of Donald Trump at Iowa State this weekend. We`ve seen this a number of times now. We had, of course, Trump`s personal bodyguard cold cocking a guy in the face who tried to get his signs back after they were confiscated. Two men in Boston who beat up a Latino man and cited Trump in doing so. There was a man at the Iran rally who pulled the hair of a protester -- a pro-immigrant protester who had shown up while yelling Trump, Trump, Trump. And then this, of course, this weekend. On the phone right now, we have a protester who is outside the Dallas even tonight, because there have been pro-immigration, pro-immigrant protesters outside those events. Hector, are you there? MANUEL RANDON (ph), PROTESTER: Hello? HAYES: Hey, how are you doing? Can you tell me a little bit about what kind of protest you did outside the event tonight and how it went. HECTOR: Yes, of course. First and foremost thank you very much for having me. My name is Manuel Randon (ph). I am actually a former national vice president for Collegiate League of Latin American Citizens. And what we just witnessed here was a very patriotic demonstration against hate speech. And it was very successful. We came to have had upwards of around 2,000 people perhaps. We haven`t gotten the total numbers in just yet. But it was a very successful event, very peaceful, all-American flags. A group of -- just large groups of Hispanic, non-Hispanic, white, African-American, Texans, showing their disapproval of this hate speech that`s being promoted by Mr. Trump in the last sent months. HAYES: And Manuel, how are you treated by the folks that were coming in to actually see Mr. Trump speak? RANDON (ph): You know, to be honest we didn`t have any encounters with them necessarily. There has been a very nice police presence here, everything has gone around -- everything has been handled very peacefully. They were forming the line and marching to the event center, and we were on the opposite side. We marched from the Cathedral Guatalupe, which is in downtown Dallas. We marched about a mile or so down to the American Airlines center and we then rallied on the opposite side (inaudible) would have been to the American Airlines Center. So fortunately there weren`t any confrontations of any sort. HAYES: All right, Manuel Randon (ph), who was protesting outside the Trump event. You can see some of the footage right there. Thank you for your time. Hector Randone (ph) is the closer for the Cubs, hence my mistake. He is in my head. He gave up the homer to lose the game the other day. All right, up next, Bernie Sanders goes into the lion`s den, if you`re going to use a Biblical metaphor. Stick around to see how that went. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: Happening live right now, Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders speaking in front of what would be considered for him a friendly crowd at the Prince William County fairgrounds in Manases, Virginia. We`ll keep our eye on that. But for my money, the most interesting campaign event of this season, all season, happened earlier today when Sanders, who spent most of his political career as a self-described socialist, went to Jerry Fallwell`s Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. The site of Senator Ted Cruz`s presidential launch, with attendance mandatory was today home to Senator Sanders as part of the university`s weekly convocation series. Now generally we might think of self-styled centrists or moderates as the ones most effective and most willing to reach out across the aisle in this case to conservative Christians. One of the things that`s really admirable about Bernie Sanders is that he really genuinely believes his own message, and believes in it so fully he believes others will believe in it too if only they hear the good news. He`s an evangelist in that way, so it makes sense that Bernie sanders, the preeminent evangelist of American progressive values at this moment went to an evangelist university to evangelize. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: Amos 5:24. "But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never failing stream, justice, treating others the way we want to be treated, treating all people, no matter their race, their color, their stature in life, with respect and with dignity. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Now even though Liberty University made room for Sanders supporters to be part of the crowd of 12,000, Sanders recognized that, by far, most of the students in attendance would not agree with him on particularly on certain social issues like abortion and gay rights. But he got that out of the way right from the start and proceeded to deliver his message on economic justice in a way he hoped would resonate. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SANDERS: That there is no justice when so few have so much and so many have so little. The top .1 percent today in America owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. And in your hearts, you will have to determine the morality of that and the justice of that. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Joining me now White House reporter for Buzzfeed, Evan McMorris-Santoro who attended today`s event at Liberty University. He`s there right now in Manassas. Evan, I was fascinated by this event. Tell me a little bit about how it came about. EVAN MCMORRIS-SANTORO, BUZZFEED: Well, you know, the thing about this event that you have to know is that this is an event that both served the needs of Liberty University and served the needs of Bernie sanders. Liberty University, months ago, invited Bernie Sanders to come and speak as part of their sort of convocation system where they`re trying to bring in new voices, show off that the school is interested in showing their students different voices and Sanders accepted giving him a chance to show that he can talk to all different kinds of audiences and can go before audiences that would be most unlikely to listen to his message and deliver his message. And I think that both sides came away from the event feeling like they had succeeded. The Liberty University crowd felt like they -- you know, the administrators felt like their crowd had stayed kind of respectful, listened to the senator. At certain times they applauded him and they kind of paid attention and stuck with him on his speech, other times they were less interested in him as he spoke about some social issues as you mentioned. And the Sanders campaign walked away with another sort of long Sanders stump speech showing him able to reach across lines, the way that they characterize it is he was able to reach out and find his way to connect with this evangelical electorate. I mean, I`m not sure how successful it is, but they certainly like they were able to speak his message to that crowd. HAYES: Yeah. And what`s interesting to me, my understanding is Liberty has invited everyone, right. They`ve invited all the candidates, they`ve invited the Democratic candidates, at least. I think they`ve invited Hillary Clinton. MCMORRIS-SANTORO; they have. I mean -- yeah, they`ve said that. HAYES: Yeah, I mean, just that he would take them up on it. And I think that it was interesting to watch him essentially try to pitch -- it wasn`t pro forma. I have watched the Sanders stump speech and this was a different speech. I mean, parts -- big chunks of it were the stump speech but he did try to craft and tailor it to this audience in a way that I think he thought would be maximally appealing to them. MCMORRIS-SANTORO: Oh, it was very, very different. I mean, I`ve been to a bunch of these standard stump speeches now. And generally it`s sort of a 50-minute to an hour-long kind of rallying the troops type of speech. This was like Professor Bernie Sanders. I mean, he really -- he reached way out. And he talked about the bible, as you quoted in those package pieces that you showed a second ago. He talked about Pope Francis and the religious support for boosting the poor up and spending more government money to support the poor and education and things like that. This was a totally different Sanders. I think really reached out and tried to make this work. I mean, his aides told me ahead of the speech that he wrote it himself in longhand. And you could see he was pretty engaged with it. He was engaged with the crowd. He was engaged with what was going on. It was a very, very different Bernie Sanders. And as you say, I think the most fascinating thing I have seen this whole campaign season, if not in a couple campaign seasons. HAYES: Yeah, it made me realize how much I want there to be more of this in every direction. And it got me thinking about I think it was a Bernie Sanders proposal early on when he got into the campaign saying there should be cross-party debates, even early on. And it made me think about how much I would love to see a Bernie Sanders, a Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Martin O`Malley on stage, because there just isn`t enough of that generally. MCMORRIS-SANTORO: I think that that is something that the Liberty University people would agree with you with. The Liberty folks feel like they`ve shown that they`re willing to do this, and they feel like oftentimes progressives and liberal groups are not as willing to do this as they are. And other universities are not as willing as they are. So, that`s sort of what they`re -- what their... HAYES: Their take away. MCMORRIS-SANTORO: ...from this. And it was really interesting. HAYES: All right, Evan McMorris-Santoro, thank you very much. That is All In for this evening. Tomorrow night make sure to tune in for my special one on one interview with the very tall Mayor de Blasio. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. END