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All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 07/02/15

Guests: Lorella Praeli, Jelani Cobb, Bree Newsome, Todd Rutherford, JamesTyson, Lisette Lopez, Lizz Winstead, Bree Newsome, Jordan Carlos

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Good evening from the Comcast building in New York City, where our backyard is actually on the roof. It`s the Fourth of July week, so tonight, we`re having some friends over for a cookout and a celebration of America. ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the "ALL IN The USA" special cookout spectacular. And now, your host, Chris Hayes. HAYES: Well, well, well, we are here on the lovely 11th floor of 30 Rockefeller Center, now the Comcast Building. Hopefully, you`re watching this somewhere with a chilled beverage in your hand, with people you love ready to enjoy a long weekend. We have this elaborate setup that may encounter a weather-related incident since it`s sprinkling a touch. We`ve got food out. You know, I`ve been thinking about the last two weeks we`ve had of a crazy news cycle, all the news we saw last week, the horrible tragedy in Charleston the kind of amazing, redemptive grace in the aftermath of that, the huge Supreme Court decisions, the president`s eulogy, and it`s been a kind of emotional whirlwind and it got me thinking about America and what I love about America, and I thought maybe we should do a whole show the night before this patriotic weekend on what we love about America. So, that`s what we`re going to do. Joining me now, Josh Barro, he`s MSNBC contributor and national correspondent for "The New York Times". We also have with us, Lorella Praeli. Now, Lorella has an amazing story. She`s been a guest on our show a bunch of times. She was a guest on the former show. She is now the Latino out reach director for Hillary Clinton`s presidential campaign. Before that, she was a DREAMer and DREAM activist. And we`ve got our buddy, Jelani Cobb, staff writer for "The New Yorker" and director of the African Studies Institute at the University of Connecticut. Well, great to have you guys here. LORELLA PRAELI, HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN: Thanks for having us. JOSH BARRO, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Thanks for having us. HAYES: Isn`t this a crazy space? JELANI COBB, NEW YORKER: I know. It`s amazing. PRAELI: Pretty incredible. HAYES: We`ve been trying to come up with a back story that will justify the weirdness and awesomeness of the space, although I just know that there are gardeners who tend to this garden that is never seen by anyone, but they are up here all the time making sure it looks beautiful, some kind of metaphor there. COBB: Pound your fists on the table and say, plain love of America, Chris. HAYES: That`s right. So here, I want to start with something I`ve been thinking about, about what I love about America, and I think one of the things that ends up happening is you get a weird polarization or polarized discussion, in which like the right loves America and the left is like America-hating left, and there`s this kind of tug of war over the flag. One thing I love about America, a great thing about America is something in the 14th Amendment of the United States. By the way, 14th Amendment of the United States, passed during reconstruction, the point of a gun is a great thing about America. It was part of the foundational reasoning that got us marriage equality along with a lot of amazing important stuff. But in the 14th Amendment it says anyone born in this country is a citizen of this country. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside. What this means here in America is whatever problems we have in terms of our policy mechanisms for dealing with people that come to the U.S. without documentation, if you`re born here, you`re a citizen and that is hugely important because there are a lot of countries in the world right now we`re seeing in the Dominican Republic, right, where a court order is sent to people two generations there, you`re no longer a citizen. In Germany, you have Turks in three generations were totally un- integrated into German society because they`re not citizens. But here in the U.S., come to the U.S. and you`re a citizen. It`s a great thing. PRAELI: You`re not always a citizen when you get here. HAYES: That`s right. PRAELI: But there is a process and we`re working to create the process, right? HAYES: If you were born here, you are. What that does is it means no matter how marginal your parents might be, right? Like, you know, there is a Supreme Court decision that says school haves to educate those kids, right? Like that is, it`s basically the forcing mechanism to create some kind of totality to what American-ness is even when politics get gnarly on the issue. BARRO: Yes. No, I mean, I think you see, it looks like we have fighting over immigration in the U.S. and we do but the thing about Germany is right, which is that you look at the U.S. compared to a lot of advanced countries. I mean, look at Japan, which is an almost entirely homogenous society, has this Korean minority that it has had, is not integrated there. The U.S. is one of the few -- it`s one of the few countries that really is relatively accepting of immigrants compared to other countries. So, I think, you know, we should -- if we grade ourselves on a curve, you can look at Donald Trump being ridiculous but we`re better at this than any country in Europe. HAYES: That`s part of what I think is important to remember in the midst of this, the Dominican Republic, forced explosion of people based on a court order that talks about facial features, OK? We`re talking -- I mean, literally, in the court order, if you have full lips and an African nose, OK, you could end up on the wrong bus out of the country. When you compare that to the 14th Amendment that says hey, if you`re born here you`re a citizen, that`s a great thing. COBB: Right. Even if you go back to when John Bingham framed the 14th Amendment, it was so perfectly drafted as a refutation of the Dred Scott decision. So, he`s looking at this saying we have this decision that says a group of people can never be citizens here, how are we going to radically alter that? And so, and not only that, it kind of has another effect, which is that, you know, the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is passed providing equal rights and the combination and so on, and people are not entirely sure it`s constitutional and it`s not until the amendment is ratified after that. The people passed the law like Supreme Court might invalidate that. Well, let`s put an amendment into the Constitution that now says this law retroactively done the right thing. So, it`s a pretty amazing thing to historically see how that took place. HAYES: But, Lorella, you`re someone who it was born somewhere else and came here. Your family came here. I feel like you got a very unique and distinctive view on like, what you love about America particularly. PRAELI: Yes. I mean, I think I would say what I love about America is that I get to live my dream and in many ways I get to live my mother`s dream, right? So, I had a car accident when I was 2.5 and my leg was amputated and my mother came to the United States seeking medical care for me -- for my prosthetic leg where I wouldn`t be judged and discriminated against because of my gender and because of physical difference. And, you know, then I think growing up and spending 14 years of my life as an undocumented person in this country as a DREAMer and then today getting to work to help elect the next president of the United States, that is pretty incredible. It`s pretty remarkable. And I think it speaks to who we are as a country this is not a Lorella story. This is really an American story. I was thinking about how you introduced the significant, Chris, and what`s happened in the last two weeks and every time America turns to the people effective and says we believe in you and hear you. And there`s a lot of work that we have to do, but we`re constantly learning and constantly changing, and that`s what makes this country really special. HAYES: That`s really -- you also I feel like have a unique perspective because you were involved in politics before you were a citizen, right? I mean, before you were -- so the political process says this is the category of people that get to vote, right? But we also have this great thing called the First Amendment that guarantees speech rights and those speech rights don`t -- you have those speech rights whether you`re documented or not, right? We have a big roiling debate in this country whether you -- and that allows a kind of politics that the DREAMers have really shaped, partly because of that First Amendment protection where you can participate in politics. We`ll talk to someone who participated in an explicit way by taking down the flag in South Carolina. PRAELI: Yes, even if you don`t have the power to vote, you can still affect politics. You`ve seen that with the way the DREAMers have confronted power lead on and spoken the truth. They were never shied away from their own personal story and I think the fact we can do that and we weren`t put in a bus and sent back to our country of origin, that is happening. But the fact that we could express ourselves and being real about who we were in America, that`s incredible. And you don`t find that when you go to other countries. HAYES: Josh, you got thoughts about immigrant experience and invasion and a city in America. I agree with you on this. It`s going to be a controversial choice. Jelani, you got some thoughts, as well. I want to talk and hear what you have to say, if we take this break. We`ll be back with more "All in the USA" special cookout spectacular, getting slightly damp on the streets of New York. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: Today, Jim Webb entered the presidential race. You know what that means, it`s time for an update in the "ALL IN 2016 fantasy candidate draft. (BEGIN VIDEOI CLIP) JOY REID, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: I`m going to double down on my luck and go with 13. HAYES: I like it. I like it. A money ball strategy here and you got Jim Webb. ANNOUNCER: Jim Webb, he`s the dark horse candidate from the commonwealth of Virginia. He`s a Vietnam veteran and former secretary of the Navy. Give it up for former Virginia Senator Jim Webb. REID: Yes. (APPLAUSE) REID: I`m OK with this. I`m okay with this because I think Jim Webb actually will run if for no other reason to set himself up to be vice president and in his mind, to pull Hillary Clinton back to the right as Elizabeth Warren is pulling her to the left. HAYES: Jim Webb takes himself so seriously, we couldn`t come up with a single joke. REID: That`s right. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: And with Joy Reid`s prediction coming true, and Jim Webb officially entering the race today via e-mail, all of Joy`s roster is now running for president, which gives her 500 points. She`s currently tied for first place on our board with Michael Steele. Up next, much more of what makes America great, including our ability to beat back the rain with popup tents as we head to the Fourth of July weekend from our "All In The USA" special cookout spectacular. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) ANNOUNCER: The "All In The USA" special continues. But first another Independence Day fact. This year, America would turn 239 years young. Here`s TV`s Chris Hayes. HAYES: All right. We`re back with Josh Barro, Lorella Praeli and Jelani Cobb, talking about what makes America great. And one of the things that makes America great is this roof terrace on the 11th (ph) floor -- story of the Comcast building. Josh Barro, what makes America great? BARRO: So, we were e-mailing and Las Vegas makes America great. HAYES: I agree. BARRO: Las Vegas is the most uniquely American place because it`s simultaneously so awesome and so stupid. And it`s like, we`re just going to build this thing in the middle of the desert and we`ll rebuild the Lake Cuomo, and the Italian lakes region and people will play blackjack and people come with dreams against all odds and believe they will win because America is optimistic. HAYES: And I -- here is the thing I love about Vegas, I love Vegas, I love going to Vegas. One of the things I love about Vegas, too, is it is a unionized town and that makes a huge difference in terms of the durability of the middle class now. They`ve been hammered by the financial crisis. Huge bubble and it collapsed. But it is true that if you work in the service industry, in Vegas, by and large, you`re either union and you`re making a living wage, or you`re getting the wages set and housing is cheap. And one of the things that makes being middle class in America hard right now, two things are wages are low and housing is expensive, right? When you have a place where wages are high and wages are cheap, those are the pillars, that, plus education gives you the pillars of being able to middle class, and Vegas has figured a lot of that out. BARRO: Well, the cheap housing is a really key part of that and related to the wide open spaces thing about America. People don`t always love tracked housing and endless like plots over and over again of the same suburban house, but it does produce an affordable way of housing people and people can own that middle class dream home where you have a lawn or maybe in the case of Las Vegas, desert plantings. HAYES: Yes. They are doing an amazing job on water consumption there. BARRO: Yes. You know, in New York, people, the city living here is great, but it`s necessarily very expensive, especially when you have the rules in New York that make it difficult to build new homes. You can build lots and lots of new homes in Las Vegas and it`s made it a real middle class town. HAYES: All right. Jelani Cobb, what do you want to talk about that makes America great? COBB: Public libraries. HAYES: I love public libraries. COBB: Absolutely. It goes back to the thing that Jefferson said, if you`re creating a government that is dependant upon the will of the people, the government has anchor, save the people`s intelligence. So, the idea and I`ve got this from the American Library Association, there are 119,000 libraries in the United States. Not all public but 119,000 places in this country where you can go learn something. So, I`ve always said that archivist and librarians are kind of like my vote for the best Americans, but for what I do as a historian and for what professional historians do, I work with the impossible with archivists and libraries. But for the basic idea of knowledge being accessible and public and available to anyone, that`s an amazing idea. HAYES: I got to say, there are so many libraries, like my experience in the Bronx growing up, they were de facto daycare and after school centers. The way kids parents who work for awhile essentially took care of themselves and God bless these librarians who work in these libraries because like a whole troop of kids would show up at the library, like a bunch of rowdy nine-year-old boys to do their homework at the library and the librarian on duty was the person who got the wonderful job of basically watching everyone, but that was like a hugely central part of growing up in New York City for a lot of people. PRAELI: I grew up in New Milford, Connecticut, a small town in Connecticut, but I actually, when I first moved to the United States I would walk to the library with my sister every day. We weren`t enrolled in school and that`s where I begin to learn a lot of my English. It was asking the librarian questions, getting all the books that I wanted, playing the games, and that`s where I felt at home for awhile. So, you know, it`s access to knowledge but also is a welcoming place for a lot of immigrants across the United States. COBB: That`s true. I was in a public library in Queens a couple weeks ago and I mean, of course there are books and DVDs, but there were resume classes and there was Internet access, of course, and all sorts of things in the community largely Spanish-speaking and materials in Spanish and in community events. And so, we had things that happened of basically anchors for entire communities happening in libraries. HAYES: The depressing part to think about is something my friend says is if libraries didn`t exist, like you could not introduce them. You couldn`t go to the publishing industry and say we`re going to set up these public buildings and give your product to anyone for free to anyone that comes in. They would lose their mind. But the fact that they do exist and the fact that you can go and get the latest book, you can get DVDs and lots of libraries serve people of different languages is an amazing thing, and very sort of like distinctly American institution in the way that it`s flowered here. All right. There`s lots more to come what is great about America. We`re going to have the following things happen. Bree Newsome, the woman who climbed up that flag pole and took down the Confederate flag, she`s going to join me. We`re going to do a guacamole taste test after the most controversial issue in America, aside from the Confederate flag happened yesterday. And when we come back, we will have Bree Newsome. Thanks to Josh, to Lorella, and Jelani. Some of you, stick around. We`ll see you later. Stick around. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right. It seems fitting as we approach Independence Day, that the South Carolina legislature appears to be on track to take down a flag of treason, the Confederate flag, which right now stands on the state house grounds could happen in a vote as early as next week. Of course, just after dawn Saturday, someone did take the flag down, Bree Newsome, with the help of her collaborator in that act of civil disobedience, James Tyson. They were both arrested and charged with defacing a public monument, which carries of fine of up to $5,000 and up to three years behind bars. The flag, of course, was replaced later that day. Joining me now, filmmaker and activist, Bree Newsome, South Carolina House minority leader and attorney for Bree Newsome, Todd Rutherford, and activist James Tyson, who was also arrested. Bree, you are -- that image was sort of instantly icon iconic. Just start up and telling me like, who are you and how did you end up at the top of the flag pole in Columbia? BREE NEWSOME, FILMMAKER AND ACTIVIST: Yes. Well, I`m an activist and organizers there in North Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina, which is just an hour outside of Columbia, like a lot of people I watched in horror what unfolded over the past couple weeks and just the insult of the flag being there in particularly while the victims are being buried. And so, you know, a few other activists, including James, just came together and met to see if we could bring the flag down and once we realized there was a way, we felt absolutely, let`s do it. HAYES: You -- this is something you`ve been part of activism around kind of Black Lives Matter, civil rights movement stuff in this really vibrant movement that`s grown up the last five years before this action, right? NEWSOME: Yes, yes, even before the Black Lives Matter thing became kind of moved to the national forefront, I was also organizing around the issue of voting rights there in North Carolina because we had a series of very retrograde policies going on and feels like we`re going backwards. It`s just like one thing after the other. And so, then, you know, the attack on the black church was just one more thing that feels like we are 50 years, 100 years back from where we were. HAYES: All right. So, you plan this action and decide screw it, we`re just going to take it down if they are doodling. Have you climbed before? NEWSOME: No. HAYES: You never climbed before? NEWSOME: I never climbed a poll before. HAYES: So, you got a small group of people, and someone said, who`s going to do it, and you said? NEWSOME: Yes, I volunteered to do it. I knew that would require two days of training, so there was a lot of environmentalist activist that had done that before, really awesome people and so they taught me how to climb a pole. HAYES: There`s a cross issue training session -- NEWSOME: It was. Absolutely. HAYES: -- environmental activist who had done climbing, this is how you throw a rig. NEWSOME: Yes, this is entirely like a coalition -- HAYES: That`s fascinating. NEWSOME: -- a group of activists from random places coming together. HAYES: All right. The morning it happens, get there at 5:30 in the morning, right, James? JAMES TYSON, ACTIVIST: We were there at about 4:30. We were ready at 5:30. HAYES: OK. So, you`re the spotter, right, on the ground while she`s climbing. Are you looking out to see if there are cops around? TYSON: Yes, I was training with Bree and helping facilitate the training for Bree how to climb. So, I was there with her because I had been training with her the last three days before that. HAYES: Now, as soon as you start to climb, do the cops show up, right? NEWSOME: Yes, so the goal was to get over the fence and get 15 feet up, which I would be out to reach. So from that point on, it was come down, ma`am, no, you`re going to be arrested, OK. You know. HAYES: So you went up, you were reciting a Psalm if I`m not mistaken. NEWSOME: Yes. HAYES: The Lord is my life and my savior, who shall I fear, right? You grabbed the flag and you come down, and they say? NEWSOME: You are under arrest. You know, we were completely prepared for that, you know, going into an action like this. We talk through the possible legal ramifications for it. They hit us with the toughest charge they could and we were prepared for that possibility. HAYES: Representative Rutherford, obviously, this comes in the midst of this polarized debate about this, although it`s actually maybe not as polarized as you think, if there seems to be a consensus around getting this flag down, appears to have the votes. Does this action, how does this action play out? Does it make people say these activists are being I`m patient and we have a process or does it galvanize people, like, oh, yes, we could just get this thing down? STATE REP. TODD RUTHERFORD (D), SOUTH CAROLINA: I think people would also try to blame somebody for their vote, if they didn`t to take it down. But the reality is, those people that don`t want to vote for take it down are looking for any reason to blame rather than the truth, which is this is a flag of hatred, bigotry and needs to come down. Bree became a hero to many people because so many of us wanted to go up and take that flag down. We`re so tired of pretending we`re not bothered by it and we are. We`re tired of saying it doesn`t represent exactly what it does, which is a history of racism and history of slavery. HAYES: So, you guys are facing serious charges. I mean, this was an act of civil disobedience. Are you -- James, are you prepared to go to jail for this? TYSON: Well, I mean, let me just say like this, I suppose. What this could potentially do, you know, how this could help, how this furthers the conversation, how this could create like the context for making change, real change, and like maybe potentially helping end racism. You know, that`s so much bigger than me. You know, and even if three years, we`re talking about three years, I`ll do that. I`ll take that. I`ll take that, if I feel like that helps to end racism, you know? Because as a white person, you know, white people perpetuate white supremacy and racism, right? So, as a white person, I have a certain responsibility, you know, if I feel like I`m morally compelled to do it, which I do, then therefore whatever the consequences are and the consequences are really that severe shows how broken the system really is. HAYES: How about you, Bree? NEWSOME: Yes, I mean, I think sometimes people forget that this is what direct action non-violence looks like. You know -- HAYES: You know the law is going to come for you and you face the law. NEWSOME: Absolutely, that`s the history of it. And, quite frankly, I mean, the night that Reverend Pinckney was assassinated was the moment that I had to come to grips with the fact that`s part of it, as well, in terms of continuing in the work of civil rights and fighting for freedom. It includes jail and sometimes it includes risk to your life, and those are things I considered when I made the decision to climb the pole. HAYES: As Bree`s lawyer, it will be a little difficult to throw the book at her if that`s happening after a vote is had to take down the flag. RUTHERFORD: That`s a very important part. Both of us recognize although they climbed the flag pole, although they climbed up here to take the flag down, they still didn`t damage the flag. They simply unhooked it. They didn`t bring it down and burn it. They handed it over to the police as soon as they got down. They showed respect, which Dylann Roof didn`t show, which defiers of that flag have never shown. HAYES: You`re going to be voting on this, too. RUTHERFORD: Absolutely. I believe we have the votes to take it down. HAYES: All right. So, we`re doing a show out in this lovely, this must be so random for you, came here in New York on to rooftop in Rockefeller Center. What do you love about America, Bree Newsome? BREE NEWSOME, FILMMAKER: What I love about America is the premise that all men are created equal. I mean, and I think that`s the one thing that has kind of been our saving grace through all these many, many dark days of history, you know what I mean, because even though we had that official Independence Day in 1776, I mean, the truth is that ever since then, it has been the story of everyone who is not a wealthy white property owning male trying to be participate in this democracy HGAYES: Included in that. NEWSOME: Included in that, you know what I mean. And that`s the struggle that continues today. And so, you know, as much as people talk about the confederacy is being history, I think that that struggle is a much more important and proud history, particularly in the south that I`m proud to be part of as an African-American and as an American. HAYES: Bree Newsome, Todd Rutherford and James Tyson, a great pleasure to have you here tonight. NEWSOME: Thank you. HAYES: Much more of All In the USA special cookout spectacular still to come, including a look at all the great things America makes. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right, America, you may have thought the Confederate flag or perhaps the Affordable Care Act or marriage equality were the most divisive, contentious issues in the American discourse, but you would be wrong, because yesterday we learned what really, really divides Americans, that is the question of guacamole and whether you should add peas to it. There`s this weird, how would I describe it, an internet brush fire that happened yesterday. The New York Times tweeted out an innocuous recipe just suggesting that people put green peas -- add green peas to your guacamole. I think it was the commanding trust us that rubbed people the wrong way. Anyway, this became this very polarizing topic. It even got to the president of the United States doing a twitter chat who had to respond a respect the NYT but not buying peas in guac. Onion, garlic, which is questionable by the way, hot peppers, period, classic. All right, so we`re going to do something that yesterday when we thought of it seemed like a fresh and novel idea by today has been done by literally every television program in America, but we`re going to do it anyway because we`re committing to the bit. And joining me now to do it, are Annette Lopez, senior finance editor at Business Insider. Jordan Carlos, comedian and writer for the one, the only nightly show with Larry Wilmore, which you should watch tonight. Bree Newsome will be on that this evening, if I`m not mistaken. Liz Winstead, our friend and co-creator of the Daily Show and back of the table, my man, my friend, Jalani Cobb. All right, here is what we`re going to do. Let`s start -- everyone take a chip. Now, I think we start with the regular non-pea guac. JALANI COBB: Sure. HAYES: Did you already eat? LIZ WINSTEAD, CO-CREATOR THE DAILY SHOW: Non-pea guac? HAYES: Yes, the non-pea guac. The regular guac. COBB: That doesn`t sound appealing. WINSTEAD: Regular guac. Let`s go with regular. HAYES: Right, there`s no peas. COBB: Nature intended it, yes. HAYES: OK, take the regular guac. And we`ll call this the control in scientific terms. I worked all day making that, so, just. A good, classic guac. NEWSOME: Standard. You like it, I like it, everyone likes it. HAYES: Creamy, the liminess, a little bit of onion. I`m not crazy about raw onion. I don`t know about you guys, but that`s me. NEWSOME: Love. I love raw onion. HAYES: Great. Perfect. All right, so now is the moment of truth. Now I just want to make sure that no one is going to get into a brawl or feel the need to riot or punch anyone when they have the guac with peas, because that`s sort of what I got from the internet yesterday was that`s how angry and upset you should be about it. (CROSSTALK) WINSTEAD: Can I just interject one thing before we eat? HAYES: Before we taste it, yeah. WINSTEAD: OK. I`m from Minnesota and people might remember that last Thanksgiving The New York Times also had a major fail with the Minnesota grape salad that doesn`t exist and Minnesota went crazy. HAYES: You`ve been holding a grudge on this for two years. I think you talked about this. WINSTEAD: Yes, and so I just want to say it is not your most trusted food group idea thing place. (CROSSTALK) ANETTE LOPEZ, BUSINESS INSIDER: Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. The New York Times, you`re not my dad and you never will be and my dad is the only one who can make me eat peas, but I`m going to do it. I`m going to do it. And Chris Hayes, apparently. HAYES: Annette Lopez: New York Times you`re not my dad. LOPEZ: You`re not my dad. HAYES: I think it was the trust us that got everyone. LOPEZ: It was the trust us. HAYES: Now we`re going try it with the peas, there is a little bit of sunflower seeds, I think, in here, too. COBB: Yeah, it`s texture. NEWSOME: Yeah, but this guac has clearly been given a lot more love and care than the other guac. COBB: No, I like this -- I do like this. Ii like the peas. LOPEZ: It`s delicious. HAYES: It`s perfectly delicious America. COBB: POTUS should be on peas. HAYES: It`s perfectly delicious. Don`t you think, Jalani? COBB: It tastes like totalitarianism. WINSTEAD: Again with this. HAYES: It tastes like the death of freedom. No, it actually... COBB: It tastes American, because you`re mixing it up and trying something new. (CROSSTALK) HAYES: I think it actually tastes totally good. COBB: It`s really good, man. WINSTEAD: Here`s the thing, if you were having, like, I`m going to go out and have some guacamole and I want the guacamole that I know and love, then don`t go to the peas. HAYES: No, but it`s surprisingly new. WINSTEAD: But it`s fun. LOPEZ: It`s definitely a blue state... (CROSSTALK) HAYES: We will get into the true American spirit by bragging about this stuff we are really really awesome at. Stay with us. This is good. Blue state. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right. We`re celebrating America on this Fourth of July weekend, taking a moment to look at what makes America great and what great things America makes. We`re going to have much more of that right after this. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right. We are back here on a beautiful green verdant terrace amidst the Comcast building, newly renamed Comcast building. There is some fun happening -- it`s sort of ersatz fun, to be totally honest, staged mostly for your enjoyment at home you viewers. We are talking about on this patriotic evening before the July 4th weekend, we are talking about what makes America great. Still with me to talk about the things that America makes that are great, see what I did there. Linette Lopez, Jordan Carlos and Liz Winstead. All right, here is one thing that America makes. I`m slightly obsessed with America exporting its cultural products particularly, which I always find fascinating. Whenever you travel like it`s crazy to go to a place and realize how like I`m in Croatia but they are watching Seinfeld, which is dubbed into Croatian. And they freaking love it. They love it. They love Seinfeld. It`s like wow this is really specific humor that managed to make it over here. JORDAN CARLOS: Everyone loves a show about nothing. HAYES: In fact, there is an amazing article about translating Seinfeld and a bout how hard it is. That`s just a side note. But here is one of my favorite things to do when you`re abroad anywhere is listen local rap music, because as a Bronx native, it is an amazing thing to me that this cultural product that was born of this very specific time and place which was the Bronx in the 1980s, when you had all these Caribbean immigrants whoh ad come in and the place was just totally desolate, people were throwing these parties in these abandoned buildings, where they were throwing rent parties, everyone was broke, the Bronx was literally burning. This cultural product got produced which is rap. You -- I was doing this today with the second producer for this segment. I was like come in, coming in, I was like, what do you want Egyptian rap? And I`d Google Egyptian rap. Croatian rap? Croatian rap. You want like rap from Turkmenistan, there is rap from Turkmenistan. There is rap probably everywhere but North Korea. WINSTEAD: Liechtenstein? HAYES: You know, he was being a wiseacre and said Monaco. And I was like, there is no Monaco. WINSTEAD: I`m pretty sure Monaco buys their rap. They don`t have it, they import it. And it`s very fine. HAYES: But it is kind of amazing that like this product is everywhere. And when you watch -- when you go on YouTube, or when you`re in another country, and you listen to it, it like it is this amazing, like, voice of the marginalized and disaffected in Egypt where or the voice of marginalized and disaffected in France or whatever place you happen to be. CARLOS: Our music like permeates. And that`s great. Like hip-hop is universal. And that`s -- I love that. I mean, some countries have it kind of easy like Spanish hip-hop -- you know, Spanish rap, there`s like there`s so many like everything ends in a vowel. HAYES: Every word rhymes. CARLOS: Yeah, every word rhymes. So like that`s -- I mean, that`s kind of, eh, I`ve got to call BS on that. But, I do love -- no offense -- but I do love -- like I`m very thankful for like the blues. Like I love John Lee Hooker, which is another American product. It`s amazing. The blues is like one of the only things you can play where everybody -- like late at night where everybody is totally comfortable with it. HAYES: And that`s another thing that came out of this very specific like geographically bound like very specific American experience of like the delta, like African-America delta life and this very specific cultural form that it turns out everyone freaking loves. LOPEZ: New Orleans is a national treasure. (CROSSTALK) WINSTEAD: And then all those white people made money off of it. HAYES: That`s also true. CARLOS: Thank you. Monetized, yes. HAYES: That`s true. LOPEZ: The Atradition. HAYES: Linette Lopez, what do we make here in America that you love? LOPEZ: I brought with me in my heart, I brought ranch dressing. HAYES: Ranch dressing, you are absolutely right is the like. LOPEZ: First of all, I`m looking around this picnic, which is a gorgeous picnic, a glorious picnic and there is no ranch dressing in this spread. CARLOS: I was going to say something. HAYES: Christian, we -- is there no -- is that right? LOPEZ: There is no no ranch dressing here CARLOS: I mean, (inaudible) come up here and get us some ranch dressing? LOPEZ: You can put ranch dressing on chicken, you can put it on pizza. HAYES: By the way, my poor director has worked like for 24 hours straight with no sleep. So, just cut the guy a little slack. LOPEZ: I show up and I`m like where`s the dressing? Where is the ranch? Listen, I googled it, apparently ranch dressing has 145 calories per serving. I don`t -- perhaps it`s true but no one has one serving of ranch dressing. You have like 70 servings of ranch dressing. WINSTEAD: Can I also point out that ranch dressing is actually a beverage in this country? The way that people consume ranch dressing is utterly appalling. LOPEZ: But see... HAYES: No outpacing out over ketchup? CARLOS: Is it really? HAYES: I think it`s like -- in one of the most popular condiments -- by the way, can we just to call out my producers, could we pull up that amazing bit of ranch dressing? LOPEZ: Take your rightful spot... HAYES: Photo right there... CARLOS: Look at that. Yes. WINSTEAD: Wait, wait, wait. Can I just say what you should have pulled up, and maybe you can on the break, there is -- you know how they have a chocolate fountain, they have a ranch dressing fountain... LOPEZ: No, they don`t. WINSTEAD: Yes, they do. There`s a ranch dressing fountain. Google ranch dressing fountain. You will see it pouring out of a fountain with people of no boundaries, just slotting their hands. LOPEZ: No. WINSTEAD: No boundaries. (CROSSTALK) CARLOS: Go now. do it now. HAYES: This is a challenge for the producers in the control room to see if they can pull up. WINSTEAD: It`s reprehensible. HAYES Lizz Winstead, what does America make that is great. WINSTEAD: Can I show? HAYES: Yeah -- well, I don`t know. CARLOS: Oh, you talking about boots? HAYES; Oh, yes. LOPEZ: Oh, yeah, ladies. WINSTEAD; The fry boot, 1863 Marlboro, Massachusetts. I`ve owned three of this exact boot. HAYES: Look at that. That`s a perfect -- nice job. WINSTEAD; It`s American as pie and the thing that I love so much about it is I tweeted one time how much I loved my fry boots and Michelle Malkin tweeted back at me -- this may be the only time I ever agree with you, but fry boots Lizz Winston are the greatest thing, you and I have each other`s back on fry boots. HAYES: This brings -- this bring people together... CARLOS: Fry boots are great. HAYES: I have heard of it that people tend to serve ranch dressing out of fry boots. LOPEZ: If you`re at a really classy place... CARLOS: That`s the most American thing you can... HAYES: The most American thing you can possibly. LOPEZ: It`s like John Kerry, the ambassador to France, Queen Elizabeth, they`re all ranch dressing out of fry boot. WINSTEAD: You know, ranch dressing is kind of bleu cheese for weaksauce people. CARLOS: Whoa, whoa. HAYES: Shots fired. That`s super snobby actually. WINSTEAD: No, it`s not. LOPEZ: Ranch dressing is made of several delicious herbs and spices. (LAUGHTER) (CROSSTALK) LOPEZ: That I think deserve their due. WINSTEAD: The all American spices. LOPEZ: Google them. CARLOS: All new world spices and herbs. LOPEZ: And some garlic. HAYES: First of all, they are in totally different categories...second of all... WINSTEAD: People tweet at me and tell me I`m right. LOPEZ: Ranch dressing is fresh, bleu cheese is aged. I think that`s something we need to consider. HAYES: I want to talk about one of my other favorite things in America makes, and it`s sports, which is basketball, which I love and a few other things that we`re going to continue drinking our lemonade and not eating ranch dressing and seeing sif by the time this break ends, we can pull up a video off YouTube of a ranch dressing fountain. It`s been a gorgeous night for our first All In the USA special cookout spectacular. There it is. Make it happen. That`s it. Magic. Stick around for more videos. We`ve got more gems like that (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: We are talking about what makes America -- what America makes that is great on our All In the USA special cookout spectacular. We have Linette Lopez, Jordan Carlos and Lizz Winstead. All right, I love basketball -- now basketball we should say -- hat tip to the Canadians before you`re jumping down my throat. Joseph Naismith, who invented it, was Canadian. So, yes, it was invented by a Canadian. LOPEZ: Wow, didn`t know that. HAYES: See, important. But it is an American sport. It`s an American export, particularly. LOPEZ: We certainly perfected it. HAYES: And I remember I was traveling through South America. I was in this tiny town in Peru years ago where the bus broke down and I was in this tiny, tiny town in the Andes. I mean, this was like maybe 200 people. There was essentially no running water. There was nothing in this town. And our bus broke down and we had to like hang out there for awhile until they sent another bus. And in the town square in Tikatika, it`s the name of this little town. I still remember. Tikatika, Peru, in the Andes, in the town square there was a basketball court with two hoops and like people were playing basketball and I was like, that is amazing. That is absolutely amazing. And that`s another thing that, you know, listening to hip-hop when you travel, like going and playing pickup ball. And you can go play pickup ball. Anywhere, when I lived in Italy I played pickup ball. Like, again, totally universal. I know everyone in the world loves soccer, and obviously soccer is the global game, which we maybe talk about in a little bit. CARLOS: But did the kids have handles? I mean, in Tikatika. HAYES: No, people could play. That`s the other thing. Like people could play. There is something always about any sport that you`re playing with someone where you don`t have a language in common feels kind of like magic because liked you can`t communicate in any other way but the one way, but the one way which -- like, oh if you cut, I`m going to give you a bounce pass, and like -- we understand each other that way even if like we literally don`t speak the same language. WINSTEAD: And it`s like basketball, soccer, sex, you don`t have to have money to have it be great, you know... LOPEZ: Not if you`re good. WINSTEAD: It`s like when you`re good... LOPEZ: Not if you`re good at it. WINSTEAD: I`m not making a bad analogy here, Jordan. CARLOS: No, you`re making a great analogy. It`s amazing. HAYES: Soccer, sex, you don`t have to have money to enjoy it. WINSTEAD: Right. HAYES: Very true. (CROSSTALK) WINSTEAD: So, it`s how you can really start communicating with people who did not grow up with you. HAYES: America invented sex, too, so it`s a little known fact. WINSTEAD: Yeah, America did invent sex. HAYES: You have a sports-related answer to the question of what America makes that is great. WINSTEAD: Women soccer players. HAYES: We literally make the best in the world. WINSTEAD: We make the best in the world. And it`s so great, we make the best in the world and then it`s so creepy that we make them play in these horrifying conditions, but -- and that we don`t honor them the way we honor males who are, who excel the way these women do in their fields. HAYES: Although, our women`s national team, is -- people love that team. Vice President Biden I just say today and Jill Biden are to be going to Vancouver to watch the final, which is going to be played -- the U.S. versus Japan. The reason it`s going to be Japan and not England -- I don`t know if we have this video. CARLOS: Heartbreaking. HAYES: It`s just this absolutely crushing own goal in injury time last night. It`s a tied game, it`s in the second minute. It`s 90 plus two minutes. 1-1, they`re clearing the ball and the fullback whose name is Laura Bassett for the Lionesses, as they are called, accidentally, she`s just trying to clear and she ends up putting it through... CARLOS: Who has ever cleared a goal that way. It`s a toe touch out to the side of the goal. That lady obviously was rooting for Japan. WINSTEAD: Somebody is going to be watching her... HAYES: You think the fix was in? CARLOS: Yeah, the fix is in. She probably cleaned up with the bookies the next day. I`m just saying. HAYES: There is a problem with that in soccer. Linette, you have -- I see you have here two things. You have Larry David. LOPEZ: Larry David is an American treasure, much like Josh Barro who was on the segment earlier, I consider him also an American... But Larry David, he makes people understand our weird sense of humor. He... HAYES: No, that`s what I was just saying about Seinfeld, it`s true. It translates surprisingly well. LOPEZ: It translates surprisingly well, because awkward is an international language. So, I think that Larry David is able to say to the world, oh, yes, you see us America, we are like these swaggering cowboy George Bush people, but we`re just as awkward as we are. We, too, get in situations where we`re sleeping next to people we want to leave our homes. Like we, too, have friends we don`t actually like just like you. So... HAYES: Larry David is the flip side of the Marlboro Man of American archetypes to be exported across the world. LOPEZ: I remember the first time I saw him win an award, and I don`t remember if it was an Emmy or whatever, but he came on stage and he said this is all well and good but I`m still bald. (LAUGHTER) LOPEZ: And it was so awesome. CARLOS: If I ever go bald, I`m like -- I feel good because a person has definitely succeeded. HAYES: Oh, yeah. It also speaks to the idea that like we have again, a very specific kind of like neurotic Jewish, overly kind of like overly caught in your own head sensibility. You discover these things have universal appeal. WINSTEAD: You mean... HAYES: Yes, that`s a very good. I was trying to be gentle, but like, yes, actually clinical narcissism. CARLOS: ...narcissism, anxiety and... LOPEZ: And unapologeticness is part of who we are. We don`t apologize. We don`t apologize. WINSTEAD: I`m not sure that`s a great export. HAYES: Well, that`s a little more complicated... LOPEZ: I didn`t say we were perfect. HAYES: National parks. CARLOS: National parks. I love the national parks and I think that America definitely got that right and I`m going to Arcadia, you know what I mean, and I just -- I think it`s great. We can encapsulate it, like we can put nature in a mason jar a little bit. That`s probably the wrong way to say it. But at least we did that. I don`t know if we could do that now. I don`t know if we could actually be like, yo, you know what, we can`t develop this stuff. WINSTEAD: Howard Hughes put a lot of nature in mason jars and it was weird. CARLOS: It was weird. HAYES: No, but you`re right about that. It`s like -- it is like libraries. We got that right at the right moment and then protected that land. And if you tried now to come in on land and be like we`re going to take this away from you and make a park here? We were lucky that at the right moment we got it right. LOPEZ: You had the right people. HAYES: All right, Linette Lopez, Jordan Carlos, Lizz Winstead, thank you for coming and hanging out with me. LOPEZ: Thanks for having us. WINSTEAD: It was fun. HAYES: Eating the delicious guacamole. LOPEZ: I can`t stop eating the peas and I hate myself. (CROSSTALK) HAYES: We had actual food over there. I want to say a special thank you today to this amazing crew we have up here. We have like 40 people up here, somehow. Christian, who is our amazing, brilliant visionary director had the disfortune of me tossing off this idea about 48 hours ago. It will be fun. We`ll go do it outside. And had to work incredibly hard and tirelessly as have all these people who are behind the camera, some you can`t see, so they are amazing. They do amazing work every day, but you should know that they are doing particularly amazing work today. Have a great Fourth of July. USA. USA. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. END