All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 05/05/15

Guests: David Roberts, Shelly Palmer, Jon Ralston, Jess McIntosh, RickWilson

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN -- HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to finally, once and for all, fix our immigration system. HAYES: Hillary Clinton drops a policy bomb on the campaign trail -- as another Republican announces his candidacy by possibly breaking campaign finance law. MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you want to give a million, please, do it. HAYES: Then separating facts from propaganda as ISIS claims credit for the Texas attack. Plus, as the new attorney general heads to Maryland, Joy Reid reports on the two Baltimores, the Inner Harbor versus the inner city. And the predicament for Periscope from Mayweather/Pacquiao. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody somewhere saw something that they should have been paying somebody for. HAYES: How Tesla`s latest announcement could literally change the world. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This handy future reactor in the sky called the Sun, OK? You don`t have to do anything. It just works. It shows up every day. HAYES: ALL IN starts right now. (END VIDEOTAPE) HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. Something happens happened on the campaign trail just a few hours ago that could prove to be one of the most significant elements on the entire cycle. And, we`ve got another entrant into the race on what was a big day for the state of Arkansas on the campaign trail, as two politicians with deep ties to the state made major news in very different ways. First, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee declaring his second round for the White House and former Arkansas First Lady Hillary Clinton making a major policy announcement on a potentially decisive 2016 issue. We begin in Huckabee`s hometown of Hope, Arkansas, where Huckabee made his announcement and which happens to be the birthplace of none other than Bill Clinton, who has spotlighted hope in his 1992 campaign ad. Huckabee is hoping to be the choice of social conservatives, though unlike in his 2008 presidential run when he won the Iowa caucuses, as well as seven other states, Huckabee faces stiffer competition for social conservative votes -- Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker and others expecting to target the same set of Republican voters. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HUCKABEE: Witness the slaughter of over 55 million babies in the name of choice and we are now threatening the foundation of religious liberty by criminalizing Christianity and demanding that we abandon biblical principles of natural marriage. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: It wasn`t all doom and gloom with the Huckabee announcement. Here`s how the event kicked off. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) (MUSIC) (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Yes, Tony Orlando was in the house, although Huckabee`s rollout was not quite as smooth as Tony Orlando`s vocal stylings. Huckabee told his audience his campaign would be funded by small funders not billionaires, before adding this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HUCKABEE: Now, rest assured, if you want to give a million, please, do it. But I know most of you can`t. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Though the Supreme Court has knocked down most of the limits on campaign financing, particularly through super PACs and the head of the Federal Election Commission says her agency is largely unable to enforce the laws that do exist, it is still, just for the record, illegal to just hand a candidate for $1 million and for a candidate to solicit that much money which means, as "The Washington Post" pointed out, Huckabee kicked off his campaign with a possible violation of campaign finance law. That wasn`t even the biggest of Huckabee`s problems today. We`ll have more on that in a bit. But first, we take you to Rancho High School in Los Angeles where Hillary Clinton joined a student roundtable this afternoon and made a very important declaration -- sticking out a clear policy position in favor of a path to full citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and vowing to do everything under the law to go even further on President Obama`s executive action on immigration. Clinton`s announcement made at a high school where 70 percent of students are Hispanic puts her squarely in line with most Hispanic voters on an issue that continues to cause major headaches for Republicans. Even Jeb Bush, probably the most amenable to comprehensive immigration reform of the likely Republican presidential candidates, prefers to talk mostly about illegal status for undocumented immigrants and has only offered tentative support, conditional, on any notion of a pathway to citizenship. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CLINTON: Make no mistake: today, not a single Republican candidate, announced or potential, is clearly and consistently supporting a path to citizenship, not one. When they talk about legal status, that is code for second class status. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Joining me now, Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston, host of "Ralston Live", and Emily List`s spokesperson Jess McIntosh. Jon, let me start with you. I was in Rancho High School in 2008 at a caucus, which actually descended into totally chaotic debacle back in the early days of that campaign. They were trying to run this caucus and didn`t have the infrastructure in place. But two things there -- Hillary Clinton won a huge share of Hispanic voters in that caucus, but she was rhetorically taking a pretty tough line. Remember that driver`s license moment where she said she wouldn`t favor it, she waffled a bit on it, she talked about deporting anyone who committed a crime, no matter how minor. How big a step was this today for her in this campaign? JON RALSTON, HOST, RALSTON LIVE: Well, I think it was pretty shocking, Chris, and you laid it out pretty well. You know, her campaign signaled this morning to the media that she would be going for a path to citizenship. That was obvious. She had to stake out that territory. But she sprinted way past that evolution today, Chris, as you laid out. She didn`t just support President Obama`s executive order. She said she`ll put out her own executive orders, anything within the law that`s necessary. She supported family reunification. She talked about the tension. She said essentially everything that the photo typical dreamer or Hispanic voter on this issue would want to hear. You know, we always complain about politicians not taking any positions, dancing around the issues. There was none of that today. She made it clear where she was and I think that she was baiting the Republican candidate to come after her. Call it amnesty, say it`s a lawlessness, say whatever you want. She`s going after that demographic. HAYES: You know, Jon makes a great point here, first of all, that this wasn`t wishy-washy. I mean, she has now enunciated, Jess, a bunch of -- a bunch of positions that she has to defend or essentially flip on, they`re on the record. I remember when Mitch McConnell referred to the president`s announcement he was going to do executive action as waving a red cape in front of the Republican caucus, which I thought was an unintentionally revealing metaphor. And to Jon`s point, it seemed like that was kind of what was happening here today at least politically as well as substantively. JESS MCINTOSH, EMILY`S LIST SPOKESPERSON: I think there`s going to be a huge contrast between the parties because her position is so clear. And they`re divided, they either want to build the wall as high as they possibly can and electrify it, or whatever incredibly disturbing imagery they`re using to describe immigration from Mexico these days, or they`re in the Rubio/Jeb Bush camp where they`re essentially caught in this Democrat light position. And whenever one party is playing the other party light, it goes really badly for them, because just take the position and Hillary has just taken the position today. And I think we`re going to see them run into trouble all throughout this race because they`re not willing to go that far. And the ones who have staked out a very clear position is a completely untenable, really upsetting one for most Americans. Most Americans understand that the country is built on immigration and we don`t feel -- we don`t feel fear about immigration. It`s not building a wall. That`s just not going to work for most people. HAYES: Jon, this also, to me, symbolizes to what Jess was saying. Where the center of the Democratic Party is. This is -- this was, I think, a surprising announcement in that it went out past what this president has done, but this didn`t come about, you know, ex nihilo. I mean, this is the work of 10 years of organizing by the folks you were mentioning, immigration rights activists, dreamers, to push, really to push the Democratic Party on this issue. RALSTON: It`s very true and it`s emblematic of what`s happened in Nevada when Harry Reid several cycles ago realized what the changing demographics, Chris, the burgeoning Hispanic population, maybe 20 percent of the electorate in Nevada in November, 2016, and, you know, I don`t want to look at the Hillary Clinton`s heart, whether she believes it or this is pure political pandering or a shift from the past. The Republicans can say that all they want, Chris, and it all may be true. But all that cohort of Democratic voters cares about is where she is now. And think about how few swing states there are and the ones that have Hispanic populations that could be pivotal, such as Nevada, such as Colorado, such as Florida. So, whether or not she really believes this or has come to read polls better, it doesn`t matter. This is a very, very significant move. And as you pointed out, she can`t come off of that later on because she was very firm in what she said. HAYES: Jess -- yes, please? MCINTOSH: She also did a really smart thing by couching immigration policy and her agenda for immigration in a family issue. Seventy-five percent of the immigrants in America are women and children. And now when I say Mexican immigrants to you, the first thing you think of is probably a guy. You`re probably thinking of somebody who is going to come in and work a job and take care of a family and maybe bring people over -- 75 percent are women and children. And when she talks about this issue as a women and families issue, she is relating directly to the people who are living that experience. That`s why it`s so smart and that`s why it`s going to resonate for a really long time. HAYES: Jon, Jeb Bush, who is sort of I think widely seen as the sort of, quote/unquote, "most moderate" on immigration, that term can be very, very hard to bend down. He put out a Cinco de Mayo announcement today in his pretty good Spanish. How much -- I mean, It seems to me like Jeb Bush just pointed out he`s caught, right, between understanding what the general electorate wants, what the primary elector wants, and it seems to me he`s going to try to get over in some ways with some ambiguity and also just his personal story, being married to a woman who is a Mexican immigrant, speaking Spanish. And the question is, will that stand? RALSTON: Yes, very interesting, Chris, because one week from tomorrow, Jeb Bush will be in Nevada. He`s just started stepping up in Nevada. Why will he be in Nevada? He`s giving a speech to the Clark County Republican Party`s Lincoln Day dinner. Now, the Clark County Republican Party, that is dominated by the kind of people who called for Reince Priebus` resignation, a lot of the Ron Paul people, all the of the Tea Party types. It`s going to be fascinating to see what Jeb Bush says to that group of people. This is going to be a difficult needle for that group to thread, to talk to that Republican primary electorate, and still preserve his viability in the general election. I think that speech is going to be a very emblematic of what he has to do. It`d be very interesting to see what he has to say. HAYES: It`s a great point. Jon Ralston and Jess McIntosh, thank you both. MCINTOSH: Thanks. HAYES: All right. At his presidential announcement today in Arkansas, Mike Huckabee said something you don`t hear from a lot of Republicans. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HUCKABEE: If Congress wants to take away someone`s retirement, let them end their own congressional pensions, not your Social Security. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Huckabee`s economic populism, at least on benefits for the elderly, flies in the face of the GOP`s donor class orthodoxy and the business wing of the party isn`t taking it lying down. The Club for Growth, which Huckabee called the Club for Greed, today unveiled an ad attacking Huckabee`s record on taxes and spending as Arkansas governor. Club for Growth says it will spend $100,000 to air the spot in the key early voting states of Iowa and South Carolina. Joining me now, Republican media consultant Rick Wilson. Rick, it`s great to have you on. This is -- this issue is -- RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN MEDIA CONSULTANT: Thanks, Chris. HAYES: -- this issue is fascinating to me. I have a theory about the Republicans and Social Security/Medicare, which is back in that budget fight in 2011, when the president was seeking a grand bargain, my theory is that John Boehner knew full well that his -- the base of the Republican Party didn`t want to see cuts to Social Security and didn`t want to see cuts to Medicare because the Republican base doesn`t actually want that. They`re disproportionately elderly, they like their current benefits, and I feel like that is what Mike Huckabee is tapping into here. Am I getting that wrong? WILSON: Well, look, I think this even the Republican base voters who, you know, were Social Security and Medicare are elements in their lives, recognize that the system is largely unsustainable as it`s currently constructed. But I think what Huckabee is doing is what he always does. He finds the sort of cheap route into the populist stands. He finds devices, the cheapest ticket he can, into the shallowest end of the populism pool. And he`s always going to kind of thing where he`s trying to distinguish himself and find this mythical niche in the Republican Party where this rah-rah Arkansas style descended from the great Arkansas, you know, stunt screamer politicians is going to work for him on a national stage. And it just doesn`t quite connect because most of the Republican voters who start looking at Mike Huckabee realize that this guy is not an economic conservative or a limited government conservative, and those things are pretty conservative in Republican primary politics. HAYES: Yes, there`s this quadrant of -- you know, I remember back in high school, you go to like the libertarian home page and have that quadrant ideological test, right? WILSON: Where do you fall? Right. HAYES: That`s right. I was a leftist at a young age. WILSON: Of course you are. HAYES: The point is, there`s this quadrant that you can argue is unrepresented in American politics, which is essentially people that are socially conservative and want, you know -- opposed to gay marriage, you know, opposed to abortion, want sort of, you know, are fine with the state regulating personal behavior in certain ways but are economically populist. And that seems to be the quadrant Mike Huckabee is kind of aiming for, bit remains to be seen whether there are votes there or whether there are votes there but the donor class is so anathema, they won`t actually let a candidate gets those votes. WILSON: Well, look, Mike Huckabee is going to collapse whether the donor class wants him to collapse or not. He is not a limited government conservative. That is the mainstream primary electorate, our folks who are limited government conservative, fiscal conservatives. They are the rising faction of the party right now, who see the decline of the foreign policy hawks over the last few years. They`ve started to come back a little bit. But that era -- or that area of evangelical populism that Huckabee would try to occupy is a narrower slice that`s it`s been in the past and even a lot of those folks are informed by a pretty strong limited government -- you know, set of limited government believes and Huckabee is a guy -- they look back at the record. He raised taxes consistently. He talked about cutting taxes, but the net number was over $500 million, which in Arkansas was real money back then. And this is a guy who doesn`t have a fundamental foundation in the thing that most Republican voters care most about, which is fiscal restraint and limited government. HAYES: Yes. It`s interesting. His record in Arkansas is fascinating on that score because he really -- WILSON: It is. It is historically interesting. HAYES: It is historically interesting. And he did -- you know, he did a lot of things that liberals hated, he did a lot of things that liberals really liked. He was -- he increased spending in certain areas that folks did not anticipate and it`s always striking to me how much constituency there is for that kind of thing. You`re saying there`s not much right now and I guess we`ll see how this plays out. Rick Wilson, great pleasure to have you on. Thanks a lot. WILSON: Thanks, Chris. HAYES: All right. The claims of an ISIS connection in Texas and just what the propaganda reveals, next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: Last night on the show, I`m pretty sure we made cable news history. That wasn`t the cable news history of media typing into my computer when the segment started. It was during a segment about free speech as I hosted the legendary artist, designer, power couple Art Spiegelman and Francoise Mouly. At one point during our discussion, you might have noticed what looked like a little waft of smoke. It was, in fact, vapor. Of course, cigarette smoking was practically a requirement in the early days of TV, but this might have been the first vaping on live television, certainly the first vaping on our humble program. Our show`s executive producer was so excited about it last night, he personally captured and posted a GIF of the event to the ALL IN WITH CHRIS Twitter feed. If you want to see that moment in its proper context, head over to our Facebook page, We posted the entire fascinating interview with the legendary Mr. Spiegelman and Ms. Mouly. Definitely worth to watch. While you`re there, we would love it if you like our page. It`s our favorite thing. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: The Islamic State or ISIS has claimed credit for the Texas attack that resulted in the two attackers being shot dead. On its radio station, ISIS said the men were, quote, "two soldiers of the caliphate". And a flourish of propaganda added, "We tell America that what is coming will be even bigger and more bitter and that you will see the soldiers of the Islamic State do terrible things." The two men, Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, opened fire with assault rifles outside an event in Garland, Texas, Sunday, where people were invited to displaying caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed. A school district security officer was shot in the ankle, but a Garland police officer returned fire killing both suspects. Now, it`s entirely unclear whether the two attackers were, in fact, connected to ISIS in any substantive way. But what is more telling perhaps is how determined ISIS seems to be to claim credit for an attack in which the assailants were so quickly and successfully taken down. Joining me now with the latest from Garland, Texas, NBC News foreign correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin. Ayman, what do we know about the degree to which there`s an actual operational link of any kind between these two men and ISIS? AYMAN MOHYELDIN, NBC NEWS FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT: Well, at this point, we certainly don`t know a lot -- to be quite honest with you, Chris. The information does not seem at least what we have to indication an operational link between the organization and these two suspects. According to the maternal grandmother of Nadir Soofi, she was saying that it was unlikely her son would have carried this out without being under the influence of someone else. While the other individual, Elton Simpson, was a man known to the FBI, was on a terror watch list, and, in fact, was convicted of lying to federal authorities about his intent to travel overseas and join a terrorist organization. Now, he was accused of doing that, but in reality, the judge ultimately dismissed or said that the prosecution did not have enough evidence back in 2011 to substantiate the claim that he did, in fact, want to join a terrorist organization. So, he was ultimately released on probation. Right now, the investigation is going to focus on all kinds of pieces of evidence, including whether or not there was any kind of operational link with the group, including money transfers, training, perhaps associates or affiliates within the United States that may have facilitated any of this attack. Now, we understand from our own reporting that the guns used in this attack were purchased legally but again, we don`t know yet the exact linkage between these two individuals and ISIS if there even is one -- Chris. HAYES: Ayman, this gets to something you and I have discovered before and we`ve covered, which is the way to which ISIS is a phenomenon is it has kind of two sides to it, right? There`s the actual -- there`s the actual army that is actually fighting, holding ground, losing ground, taking ground, governing sometimes in horrific ways, often in horrific ways in Iraq and Syria. And then there`s ISIS as this global brand that various, you know, ideologues, jihadists want to associate with around the world -- whether or not it appears they`re actually in communication with them. MOHYELDIN: Yes. Well, there`s no doubt that ISIS has tremendous command and control over the territory that it actually controls inside Syria and Iraq. It definitely is the major force, if you will, on the ground and a lot of that territory. When it comes to operational or cells, if you will, that have been operating perhaps in the West, to this date, there really is not strong evidence to suggest that ISIS, as an organization, was behind any of these attacks that we`ve seen in Western countries on an operational level -- which means that those who carries out those attacks were trained by the organization, were provided weapons, were provided any logistical support. What seems to be the pattern, and certainly this is in ISIS`s own words, is that they want to inspire people in the West to carry out attacks. That is a real threat. And that`s certainly the major cause of concern for Western officials. These lone wolf kind of attacks that could be sitting anywhere in the Western world and interacting and engaging with followers anywhere in the world and feeling that they now want to be inspired by the organization and carry out those attacks. So, there is this propaganda value of something like what we saw in Garland, what we saw in "Charlie Hebdo" and elsewhere, that ISIS benefits from. It turns around and it says to its recruiters, we are bringing the fight to these Western streets, we are capable of inspiring others to carry out these types of attacks, and that is the real challenge for law enforcement officials to try and prevent those individuals -- from being inspired of carrying out lone wolf attacks that could be deadly and just as terrorizing. HAYES: Right, because at one level, right, the plots like the one that happened in Garland, Texas, are -- they`re less logistically sophisticated until their scale and scope is reduced. But also, they`re harder to sniff out because presumably you have one or two people involved in them and that makes it more difficult for authorities to catch them. MOHYELDIN: Yes. There`s no doubt about it. I mean, that is what, when we speak to law enforcement officials, they constantly tell you they`re always concerned about that one individual or those individuals that operate in pairs, perhaps like the Boston marathon bombing who can become radicalized, who can learn how to carry out or create deadly devices on the Internet and carry them out in contained environments that have a much larger impact in terms of the fear factor and in terms of the casualties. So, that is a major challenge for law enforcement officials. They have been successful in preventing several people, dozens of people from leaving the United States, going to ISIS controlled territory, acquiring battlefield skill sets, but the challenges for law enforcement is that terrorists have to be successful one time only and not successful all the time. That is what we are seeing with these lone wolf type of attacks. Their impact sometimes is psychologically much greater than what they`re capable of carrying out logistically and from a killing perspective, but nonetheless just as disastrous. HAYES: Ayman Mohyeldin, thank you very much. Still ahead, two very different views of Baltimore. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`re trying to build, build from everywhere. Don`t just build suburban areas. Don`t just build in the hub or don`t just build in the counties. Builds it in the city where the urban people are out. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Neighborhoods of Baltimore where money is and is not being invested, that`s ahead. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right, you may recall we used to do a little segment called Click Three. And it was to showcase the three awesomest things on the internet each day. And on May 10, 2013 the number three items was this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Dude, this, this is referring to the Ryan Gosling meme to end all Ryan Gosling memes, far surpassing all the "Hey Girls" or any of Gosling knockoff memes. Paul Ryan Gosling anyone? Remember that one? This is Ryan Gosling won`t eat his cereal. These are a series of Vines, or six second looping videos and the title just about explains it all, doesn`t it? As Entertainment Weekly puts it, just a spoonful of cereal slowly inching towards Gosling`s beautiful, but also sometimes tortured face on a television screen. Creator Ryan McHenry says the idea came to him from watching the film Drive and eating cereal. A simple concept but the results are simply amazing. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Yes, it was Ryan Gosling won`t eat his cereal, the meme and the Vine that was simply put a sensation. Its creator Scottish filmmaker Ryan McHenry. As we mentioned back then, he said the idea came to him very naturally, quoting McHenry, "I was watching Drive and eating cereal one day and it kind of looked like Ryan Gosling was staring at my cereal." Gosling had himself referred to the funny meme in interviews. And we at All In were so found of it, I put out my own version. But on Monday, that filmmaker Ryan McHenry died way too young from bone cancer. He was 27-years-old, 27. And in honor of him, people began taking to Twitter with statements like this one, quote, "we all should eat a bowl of cereal in honor of Ryan McHenry." This one, "Will you, Ryan Gosling, eat a bowl of cereal in memory of Ryan McHenry, creator of Gosling`s cereal Vines?" Well, Ryan Gosling did just that, paid tribute by posting his very own Vine finally eating his cereal. Gosling also tweeted, quote, "my heart goes out to all of Ryan McHenry`s family and friends. I feel very lucky to have been part of his life in some small way. And so we watch this McHenry Vine of Gosling still not eating his cereal. We can hope he will be pleased. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you like cereal? RYAN GOSLING, ACTOR: I love it. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So we can keep feeding you cereal? GOSLING: All the time. UNIDENITIFIED FEMALE: Brilliant. Ryan Gosling, it is -- do you like... (END VIDEO CLIP) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) LORETTA LYNCH, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I thought it was important that I come here also to hear from people who were on the ground, people who were in this city and, frankly, people who love this city. As we all know, Baltimore has come to symbolize a lot of the issues involving police and community mistrust that plagues so many of our cities. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: One week into her new role as attorney general, Loretta Lynch traveled to Baltimore today where she met with city officials, community groups and police officers. She also sat down with the family of Freddie Gray, the man whose death triggered unrest throughout the city. And highlighted a community at odds with the very people last month, the Justice Department launched a civil rights investigation into the 25-year- old`s death in police custody and the national spotlight on Baltimore has only highlighted what residents have known for decades, it`s a city struggle, vast racial and economic inequalities. MSNBC national correspondent Joy Reid explains. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The story of Baltimore is a tale of two stark economic realities. Since the 1980s, the city`s gleaming Inner Harbor area has benefited from massive public investment, creating a commercial magnet for tourists and local residents alike. But there`s another Baltimore, the Baltimore where Freddie Gray lived and died. That Baltimore sees the investment in the Inner Harbor and asks how can a city that can afford that let this go on? On the streets and in the barber shops of West Baltimore, residents know that this neighborhood was in decline long before Freddie Gray died. GEORGE BUTLER, BARBER: This city been condemned. Like we been have these abandoned buildings. They didn`t just board these places up, these places been boarded up, man. REID: Add to that the sentiment that the investments in the Inner Harbor take away from investments in the urban centers where one-third of the residential buildings are abandon, and you have an anxiety that runs deep throughout Baltimore`s African-American community. BUTLER: If you`re trying to build, build from everywhere, don`t just built suburban areas or don`t just build an Inner Harbor, don`t just build the counties, build the inner-cities, like where the urban people are at. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we saw during the riots was symptoms. When we look at the police brutality and the excessive force, there`s symptoms of a deeper problem of investment that goes downtown but not uptown. REID: But some community activists understand the economic importance of the Inner Harbor and are working towards a day when the two Baltimores become one. SEEMA IYER, BALTIMORE NEIGHBORHOOD INDICATOR`S ALLIANCE: We need all the neighborhoods here. We need the residential neighborhoods that are up here, we need the Inner Harbor neighborhood, we need it all. And we all work together as one ecosystem as a city. And the more we can neighborhoods like this to be able to feel like the entire metropolitan region is theirs, it will stop being a tale of two cities. (END VIDEOTAPE) HAYES: That was MSNBC`s national correspondent Joy Reid reporting. She joins me now live from Baltimore. Joy, this is something that, when I was there last week, it was amazing to me how often people wanted to talk about precisely this, not even with me asking about the investments in the Inner Harbor, about the rejuvenation in certain areas and not in others. What do folks say about it? REID: Well, I know, absolutely. This is something we heard every day as well, just as you did, Chris. I heard it as well. And people essentially looking at the Inner Harbor, and think that`s where all the treasure in this community goes. It goes to the county, it goes downtown, it goes to the harbor, but, you know, one of the challenges, Seema Iyer, who is the other Seema Iyer, because you know we have a Seema Iyer as well. And she talked about really the difficult issue of even trying to rebuild a place like West Baltimore. First, you`d have to figure out who the owners of those abandon buildings are, finding the chain of custody of that property would be the first step in even attempting to rebuild that area, whereas obviously the Inner Harbor is owned by the city, owned by the county. So you have issues of just who owns the property. You then have this issue of who would invest in the property? How do you do it in a way that doesn`t completely gentrify the neighborhood and price out the people who are there. And then you have the issue that the West Baltimore and East Baltimore sectors are residential. There isn`t any sort of native industry there. These are purely residential areas with some retail, things like the CVS. And so you have to figure out a different kind of development. So it`s kind of apples and oranges, but people here definitely look at that harbor and they look at all those glittering brand new stores and they say what about us? HAYES: Yeah, there`s -- here is just a few maps. This is children living below the poverty line in 2009 and 2013, so you just get a sense. You can see how certain precincts, those see how those dark purple precincts are incredibly high levels of child poverty. We`re talking over half of children living in poverty in these neighborhoods. And, Joy, this is -- the neighborhoods in -- that neighborhood in Sandtown, Winchester where Freddie Gray was, I mean, that`s as poor as a neighborhood in America gets, basically. REID: Yeah, no, absolutely. And you have the situations where you have over 4 in 10 people taking more than 30 minutes to get to work every day. And think about that. And I`m not talking about in a car, you`re talking about people who are essentially cut off from the lifelines of the city so that even if they could get a job interview, how would they get there? We were there one day when people said they had been waiting over an hour for the bus, the only bus that would take them east to west to get them downtown. And people were really angry. They`re standing on the bus -- they`re standing on the corner waiting for a bus. You have a train stop there at the West Baltimore area where the CVS is that doesn`t go all over the city. It will only take you so far. So you have fundamental issues of just being able to move people where the jobs are. You have a high percentage of people in that community who are coming back from incarceration so they can`t get even an interview, let alone a job. The problems are so systemic, it`s hard to know where to begin. HAYES: And let`s also say this, I mean, is not limited to Baltimore. I mean, the model that Baltimore has pursued of urban development has been a model a lot of places have pursued with big stadiums, downtown rejuvenation, hope for a college educated people to come to the metro universities and colleges and stick around after they graduate and that there are restaurants and services and start ups that they create. But it`s unclear that that model has done much for very poor neighborhoods, whether it`s the Bronx where I grew up or West Baltimore. REID: Yeah, no, absolutely. Whether it`s Brooklyn, whether it`s Detroit, all of these communities have one thing in common, which is that you have a cache of poor people, essentially, oftentimes people of color or African-American who live downtown, which used to be the undesirable part of town, right. So in the early 20th Century, you stash all the poor people, you stash all the African-Americans near downtown. But now that`s the most desirable area. But what do you do with the people who are already there? And how do you redevelop an area where there`s no obvious economic benefit to the investors, whether that is private investors or the taxpayer? So when you don`t have an obvious return on investment, it`s just difficult to figure it out. And then, again, you go into these areas where you see these rows and rows of boarded up houses. That didn`t happen in any riot. That was already like that. You can`t even figure out who owns it. A lot of them are absentee landlords who are long gone. You don`t even know who owns the building. So, the city would have to seize it through eminent domain which is its own set of problems. So, there are just a lot of issues here the city has got to grapple with. HAYES: John Angelos (ph) in our interview the other day also made the point, people need jobs. I mean, fundamentally, if you don`t have jobs for people, you`re going to have a lot of poor folks. Joy Reid, live in Baltimore tonight. Great reporting, as always, thank you. Still ahead, a look at the technology that allowed thousands of people -- I may or may not have been one of them -- to watch the highly anticipated and highly expensive Pacquiao-Mayweather fight for free. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) HAYES: All right, topping your super creepy tech news for the week is the story of a rare talking doll invented by Thomas Edison and released in 1890. Now, the dolls speak by way of a weigh wax cylinder -- oh, wow, it looks creepy, too -- a wax cylinder recording which was operated with a crank on the doll`s back. They also happened to represent the earliest known recordings anywhere of women`s voices made in the U.S. Very few of these dolls still exist and until recently, they were silent because there wasn`t a safe reliable way to play the recordings without damaging the cylinders. Enter technology. The government lab developed a method of playing the recordings without touching the very fragile records by using microscopes to create incredibly detailed images of the grooves and image to sound software to digitize the recordings. And the result, nightmare fuel. Check it out. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now I lay me down to sleep. I play the lord my soul to keep. If I should die before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take. Amen. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Now to be fair to the doll`s contemporaries, this window into early sound recording is not just creepy in retrospect. Edison`s talking doll was not the Tickle Me Elmo of its day. The New York Times reports production only lasted six weeks, because children found the dolls, I`m quoting here, "more scary than cuddly." (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not going to stop the wheel. I`m going to break the wheel. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: When the new season of Game of Thrones premiered to much fanfare a couple of weeks ago, it wasn`t all celebration for HBO. Because users of a live streaming app Periscope, which is owned by Twitter, were apparently using it to broadcast the show illegally, prompting HBO to criticize the app in public and issue takedown notices for the pirated streams. It turns out that was just the first volley in a much larger battle over piracy and mobile technology. During Saturday`s much hyped boxing match between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, aired jointly by HBO and Showtime, thousands of people tuned into the grainy low quality streams on Periscope instead of shelling out $100 to watch the fight on Pay Per View. The streaming app may have also come in handy for all the people whose cable service went down during the match. It was so popular that after the fight was over, Twitter CEO Dick Costello tweeted, and the winner is? Periscope. Well, the fight`s organizers and broadcasters were somewhat less pleased with the apps performance. One of the promoters is threatening legal action against individuals and companies that played a role in pirating the broadcast. Periscope, now on the defensive, is maintaining it fully respects intellectual property rights. According to a Twitter spokeswoman, the company received 66 takedown requests from copyright holders and 30 of the streams were disabled, the others had stopped streaming or were no longer available. That may not be enough to satisfy entertainment companies like HBO which favors a more preemptive, less wackamole approach to copyright infringers, something Periscope CEO speaking at a tech conference today said he would be open to. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KAYVON KEYKPOUR, PERISCOPE CEO: There are a lot of tools that should exist and can exist with a lot of time and development to handle this stuff in realtime and we`re generally interested in working with partners on figuring that out. It`s like -- it`s new territory, right? Like, the proliferation of all these mobile devices and the fact that I can just take my phone right now and stream changes the landscape of how a process like that has been done in the past. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: And while Periscope and apps like it are changing the landscape of media consumption -- and lord don`t we know it -- one company is attempting to change the entire way we power our cars, our homes and our businesses around the globe. Why a simple new device could mean that we are finally, finally on the precipice of a long promised revolution. That`s next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ELON MUSK, CEO, TESLA: This solution is in two parts. Part one, the sun. We have -- we have this handy fusion reactor in the sky called the sun, OK? You don`t have to do anything, it just works. It shows up every day and produces ridiculous amounts of power. (END VIDEO CLIP) MUSK: Tesla`s CEO Elon Musk might be the most ambitious businessman of our age. I think he almost certainly is. He`s already pioneered the zero emission electric car Tesla motors. Now he`s tackling solar power taking on the biggest obstacle to making solar a larger source of the energy supply in this country: the fact that, well, the sun is not always out. When it`s nighttime or it`s cloudy out, solar panels aren`t collecting too much energy. But Musk has a new solution for consumers --the Tesla powerwall, a battery for your home that stores up the electricity generated from solar panels quite literally saving it for a rainy day. It can only store up to 10 kilowatt hours, which is probably not enough to power an entire home. According to Tesla, your refrigerator alone eats up about half that much over the course of a day, but appears to be an enormous step toward making solar a viable alternative on a grand scale to fossil fuels. And it`s not just pipe dream. The powerwall, already set to ship this summer and the 10 kilowatt hour model goes for the relatively affordable price of $3,500 plus the cost of installation and connection to solar panels. Musk also unveiled a commercial version of the battery called the power pack which in his words is designed to be infinitely scalable. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MUSK: With 160 million power packs, you can transition the United States with 900 million, you can transition the world. You can basically make all electricity generation in the world renewable and primarily solar. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Joining me now, David Roberts, staff writer for and tech consultant business adviser Shelly Palmer. David, let me start with you. You just wrote this piece about solar being essentially inevitable. How big was -- how big a problem is the battery problem? How far did Musk get with this announcement? DAVID ROBERTS, VOX.COM: Well, I think mostly what he did with the announcement is open people`s minds to the possibility. I mean, currently, batteries are still too big and bulky and hold too little power to make solar dominant, more than sort of an add-on to other forms of power. But, you know, as technology continues to develop, solar cells are going to get smaller and more efficient and batteries, also, and other forms of energy storage are going to get smaller and smaller and efficient and eventually, it won`t be some big thing stuck on your wall, it will be integrated into your home and the solar cells, too, will be integrated into your home and your home itself, buildings themselves will become harvesters of energy and storers of energ, unobtrusively and cheaply. HAYES: Shelly, part of the challenge here is the problem of sort of a consumer adoption, right? And what we`ve seen right now is solar is going through this tremendous revolution because the price has just dropped in this way that we -- totally unprecedented, right? But there`s this kind of viral effect. There`s actually studies out that say people that see, have neighbors with solar panels are more likely to get solar panels. SHELLY PALMER, TECH CONSULTANT: i think this is about a mission and a vision, right? if you are part of this idea that you want to live a sustainable life, but tesla car is a lifestyle and the power wall is a lifestyle choice. it is too expensive, but you know what`s interesting? it`s right on the cusp of being financially sensible. It`s not there, it`s right on the cusp. But today, as I love to say, is the slowest rate of technological change you will ever experience for the rest of your life. And so it`s going to get there, but right this minute, truly, there`s this whole total continuous output where you literally can`t get enough electricity out of this thing to run your house. Forget about that. You will be able to do it. And you`re right, it is slightly viral, but it`s a lifestyle choice. HAYES: Yeah. So David, here is the thing that you -- the argument you made in the piece is hammer home why solar is so distinct from everything else. Why it`s not like any other kind of power. ROBERTS: Sure. Every other form of commercial electricity generation works basically the same way, it translates mechanical force into electrical current by spinning a turbine. So everything else -- coal, natural gas, nuclear, wind, hydro, they all are about spinning turbines. Solar PV is the only commercial form of electricity that creates electricity directly from sunlight, that means without moving parts, which reduces the upkeep and operational costs. And it`s the only form of power that can eventually be scaled down to virtually any size. I mean, Musk emphasized that it can be scaled up, but it can be scaled down theoretically to a square inch. So you can imagine solar becoming ubiquitous in a way that no other form of power could be. PALMER: What`s really important here is not can you power an American household or use this in lieu of a backup generator, if you think about the distributed nature of solar power worldwide in developing and emerging nations where there are no power grids, this takes on an entire new sort of possible -- set of possibilities where you`ve got -- look, there are cheap batteries and there are cheaper batteries, this is the cheapest battery that does what it does that we`ve seen in a while. And my suspicious is once the giga factory is put up into full capacity where that`s what they`re doing all day long at Tesla, they`re making batteries, this is going to become affordable to the point where it makes sense. HAYES: And the giga factor which is set to become to Nevada, there was a big deal announcement, they`re going to make these things to make batteries. And David, I had someone tell me that they actually thought Tesla was really Tesla, the Tesla company, really is a battery factory. It`s a battery company and a battery factory. The thing that they understood that people are going to need in the future are batteries, and they made -- they had to fix the engineering the battery problem to make their car, but the car in some ways is ancillary. It`s actually the battery that is the business. ROBERTS: That`s right. I mean, I think the best way to look at electric cars, in some sense, is as portable forms of electricity storage. So, you can imagine a future where all these electric cars are hooked up to the grid, so grid operators, when they need extra power can draw power from all these distributing cars. And when they don`t need power can return power to those batteries so it becomes a distributed form of storage. HAYES: Yeah. And you wonder, also, how much -- how much the sort of effect of someone setting targets the way Musk has impacts competitors, right? PALMER: It`s going to be really important because you`ve got a battery industry -- look, we have a very fast technological advancement curve. The two slowest things, literally, have been battery technology -- look at your cell phones, look at your power everywhere. HAYES: It`s the biggest fight, everyone is trying to shrink, shrink, shrink. PALMER: You run around an airport, charge, charge, charge, everybody is trying to charge their phone. And, of course, solar cells, also, because if you had 100 percent absorbed material, it would be invisible and it would be the greatest solar cell ever, but we`re not there yet. So, these have to come along. This is a great step forward. I love the fact that it`s Elon Musk. He`s the Tony Stark of our age. HAYES: Yeah, he`s -- I love his method of presenting. It`s just sort of like nerdly uncomfortable. David Roberts and Shelly Palmer, thank you both. All right, that is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow Show starts now. 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