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Afghanistan expert on withdrawal: Plans are worthless, planning is everything


The White House says 33,000 people have been evacuated from Afghanistan since July. But pictures coming out of Kabul now show a chaotic scene outside the airport, where the British military says 7 people were killed in a recent stampede. NBC’s Joshua Johnson spoke to Mark Jacobson, a former deputy senior civilian representative for NATO in Kabul and former senior adviser to Defense Secretary Ash Carter about the Biden Administration’s handling of the evacuation process.