Giuliani says that after probe, things might get cleaned up with presidential pardons

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After a judge sends Fmr. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort to jail over witness tampering allegations, Giuliani tells the NY Daily News that once the Mueller probe has ended, things might get cleaned up with presidential pardons. But David Frum notes that, “Dangling the pardon may be a lot more strategic for the president than ever granting a pardon.” John Heilemann, John Harwood, and David Frum join Lawrence to discuss.