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Trump's 'in trouble': Bush staffer on Pence tossing Trump under bus

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Former speech writer for President George W. Bush David Frum joins Ari Melber to discuss a new report from the Washington Post that reports President Trump "used" VP Pence in his plot to get dirt on the Bidens from Ukraine. Frum argues Trump is trying to "make sure that the vice president is as dirty as possible, to make sure that their interests are aligned."