This week we learned that Russian hackers obtained access to emails from the President, at the same time a major cyber security bill passed the U.S. House of Representatives. How worried should we be about cyber security, and what are we giving up in the name of protection. Recode’s Nellie Bowles talks to the ACLU’s Gabe Rottman and security analyist Vinny Troia about the future of the security state. Plus, a transgender activist making a difference in the tech world, and the fight to regulate startup tech companies. Code Forward airs Thursdays at 3pm ET.April 30, 2015