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Jack Abramoff: The most corrupt thing I did as lobbyist is …

John Heilemann, New York Magazine: “The book is billed as an expose of the corruption of Washington, and you’re obviously arguing for some systemic reforms,

John Heilemann, New York Magazine: “The book is billed as an expose of the corruption of Washington, and you’re obviously arguing for some systemic reforms, and I would like to speak specifically to your case. You were part of a corrupt system, so talk about the most corrupt thing you did in your career as a lobbyist. Not in a legal sense, but in the common understanding of the word corrupt.”

Former lobbyist Jack Abramoff: “Well, trying to get a member of to put through a piece of legislation on a reform bill which would legalize a casino, and of course in doing it putting him on an airplane and flying him to Scotland to play rounds of golf at St. Andrews and all the great courses and bringing him back home and making sure he did his job.”