Trump shows altered hurricane forecast map. TRANSCRIPT: 9/4/19, The Last Word w/ Lawrence O’Donnell.
LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Rachel.
And listening to your Brexit discussion tonight, you know, when I was
working in the Senate I used to once in a while wonder would the
parliamentary system be better. I`m not wondering that tonight. We`ve
never seen anything like it.
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: We`ve never seen anything like it, and it is –
I mean, we do have parallels in terms of emerging or expected schisms
within the parties and pressure within each of the parties and pressure
even on the two-party system, that`s something, you know, that comes around
like a carousel every election cycle in this country.
But the idea that the system itself may not be able bear the strain of
what`s being done to it by people who don`t care for the norms that have
governed since time immemorial, that is something that we fear but they`re
actually living through it.
O`DONNELL: It sure makes a Constitution look like a good idea.
MADDOW: Yes, or one that`s written down, yes, I`m glad for that.
O`DONNELL: Yes, thank you, Rachel.
MADDOW: Thank you, Lawrence.
O`DONNELL: The shortest honeymoon in history, that is what one British
political historian is calling the collapse of Prime Minister Boris
Johnson`s majority in parliament this week. It is British governing chaos
like nothing we have ever seen. And we have the video of Boris Johnson
being verbally attacked in parliament today, directly to his face, as is
the British tradition. That is later in this hour.
In a new inspector general`s report, it`s horrifying and predictable. It
describes the psychological and emotional trauma suffered by children
separated from their parents at the southern border and held in custody by
the Trump administration. Easy to predict that there would be emotional
trauma involved in that. We`ll have the details of that report later in
And some of those details are very difficult to read. The report quotes
people working in those facilities who see firsthand the damage being done
to these children. In an op-ed piece for “The New York Times,” a former
Senate staffer Mark Schmidt (ph) described what he called the extreme and
unprecedented corruption of Mr. Trump and his allies.
And today, the Trump administration took that in a direction where no one
has gone before, forcing “The Washington Post” to actually consider whether
the president committed a crime when he showed a weather map, showed a
weather map in the Oval Office with what looks like a black sharpie line
added to it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We thought we would give you
an update on the hurricane. We got lucky in Florida, very, very lucky
indeed. We had actually our original chart was that it was going to be hit
– hitting Florida directly. Maybe I could just see that, Kevin. It was
going to be hitting directly. And it would have affected a lot of other
states. But that was the original chart.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Well, it`s not exactly the original chart. It`s the original
chart plus that black line that reaches into Alabama where the president
had earlier this week incredibly predicted the hurricane would go.
And later in the day, a reporter asked the president about that black line.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REPORTER: That map that you showed us today looked like it almost is like
TRUMP: I don`t know. I don`t know. I don`t know.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: I don`t know.
And “The Washington Post” reported today that altering that map could be a
crime. “The Washington Post” reported, quote, altering official government
weather forecasts isn`t just a cause of concern. It`s illegal, per 18 U.S.
Code Section 2074 when addresses false weather reports.
Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or
warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning
to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States
Signal Service or other branch of the government service, shall be find
under this title or imprisoned not more than 90 days or both.
The president seemed more concerned today about justifying his false
prediction that the hurricane would hit Alabama than he was concerned with
the death and destruction that had already hit our neighbors in the Bahamas
where the official death toll is increasing tonight as searches and rescue
continue around the clock.
In a moment, we`ll be joined by the health minister for the Bahamas for the
very latest on how the islands are dealing with the crisis there.
And according to the latest tracking, Hurricane Dorian is once again
picking up strength. The National Hurricane Center shows that it is still
a category 2 hurricane with sustained winds back up to 110 miles per hour.
And the hurricane has actually widened now.
Once again tonight, we will get the latest update on the storm track as
soon as it is released by the National Hurricane Center. That will be
minutes before the end of this hour. Meteorologist Bill Karins will join
us once again with that breaking news later in the hour tonight.
Hurricane Dorian is currently off the coast of Georgia and could make
landfall in South Carolina tomorrow and possibly make landfall there, and
possibly make landfall in North Carolina the next day, on Friday. The
National Hurricane Center predicts these areas face a triple threat of,
quote, destructive winds, flooding rains and life-threatening storm surge.
Massive evacuations are already under way, as South Carolina is bracing for
some of the worst flooding in 30 years.
Ali Velshi will give us a live report from Charleston, South Carolina,
tonight, in just a moment. Storm warnings have now been lifted in the
Bahamas as residents are beginning to assess the catastrophic damage after
Hurricane Dorian stalled over the Bahamas for two days as a category 5
hurricane, destroying thousands of homes and leaving vast areas underwater.
Officials confirm to NBC News that the death toll in the Bahamas is now up
to 20. Rescuers used boats and jet skis to continue their rescue efforts.
The U.S. Coast Guard is assisting with those efforts, rescuing dozens and
airlifting many to medical facilities.
Jensen Burrows is a lifetime resident of the Bahamas who rescued several
people, using his jet ski, including a mother and her two children. Jensen
Burrows will tell us the story of those rescues in just a moment.
But joining us now by phone from Nassau is the Bahamian minister of health,
Dr. Duane Sands.
Dr. Sands, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
DR. DUANE SANDS, HEALTH MINISTER OF BAHAMAS (via telephone): Good evening.
And it`s a pleasure to be here.
O`DONNELL: Tell us what the latest conditions are in the Bahamas.
SANDS: Well, at this point, things have returned to normal. If you were
to look outside, it`s a clear, sunny day today and no wind. And it belies
the absolute apocalyptic conditions that we had a few days ago.
O`DONNELL: Well, from a public health perspective, what is your biggest
SANDS: Well, at this point the primary concern is to get food and water to
the affected individuals, but also to rescue individuals who may be trapped
in their homes. We have had massive likely contamination of all the
groundwater. And there are a number of dead animals. And we have found a
number of deceased persons as well.
So, the risk of public health, diarrheal diseases, and rodents and other
vectors creates a public health nightmare if it`s not managed properly.
O`DONNELL: What management techniques do you have for this water situation
where the water supply has been contaminated?
SANDS: Well, basically, recommendations are that you not consume any
groundwater, to consume bottled water or to ensure that if you do have to
consume groundwater that it`s either boiled or chlorinated. And we are in
the midst of distributing chlorine tablets. But the preference is bottled
O`DONNELL: Do you have any sense of when we will really know the final
casualty count since the ability to recover bodies is still restricted?
SANDS: We have an incredible building code. Structures are meant to be
able to withstand up to category 4 hurricanes. And despite this, many of
the structures have been devastated, pummeled, destroyed. And so, we
literally have to go door to door through many homes, Abaco and Grand
Bahama are very lengthy islands with populations that are spread out in
So, it`s going to be a long time to go from door to door to door, given the
fact that areas are still flooded, and that access is not as simple as it
O`DONNELL: What are the most urgent needs in the islands now?
SANDS: Right now, we have obviously a need for food and water to those
persons who have been cut off. But access to medical attention, we have
had just a tremendous amount of support from the U.S. Coast Guard and the
U.S. government in particular. So we have been able to evacuate injured
persons to the nation`s primary health facility in New Providence.
But getting to the injured, getting to the ill, and providing them with
nutrition, hydration, medical attention. And then it is shelter, basic
shelter. There are many people, for instance, in the clinic in Abaco, we
have more than a thousand people in that clinic purely because they have no
place to live.
O`DONNELL: Dr. Duane Sands, the health minister for the Bahamas, thank you
very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it.
SANDS: Thank you, Lawrence. Good night.
O`DONNELL: And we`re joined now by phone by one of the residents of the
Bahamas who has offered to help rescue stranded neighbors. Jensen Burrows
is a native of Freeport in the Bahamas. He made nearly a dozen rescues on
his jet ski after offering people help on Instagram.
We`re joined by phone by Jensen Burrows.
Jensen, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
JENSEN BURROWS, FREEPORT RESIDENT (via telephone): It`s a pleasure, good
O`DONNELL: Tell us what you`ve been doing to rescue people and how you`ve
BURROWS: Well, we were trying to get people from their homes for two days
but we just couldn`t get them because of the bad weather. Finally,
yesterday, we were able to do our first rescue, a cabinet minister and his
family who we felt was a top priority to evacuate. In the midst of
rescuing him, the jet ski turned over twice because of the strong force
And from there, we were able to rescue over 100 people, which included
elderly, handicapped, infants, and also dogs. The water conditions were so
hard (ph), we didn`t know whether we were over water or land. Some
instances, I just pulled up in person`s driveways, person`s bedrooms and
living rooms for rescue.
O`DONNELL: And how were you able to get fuel for the jet ski to keep it
BURROWS: Well, the day before, what I did was I went – my friend told me
to go in on the jet skis because we may need them, you know, during the
storm or after the storm. So I went out, I filled up the jet skis, and I
got them ready, not knowing that I would need they will during the storm.
So, we were already gassed up, fueled up and ready to go.
O`DONNELL: And have you ever experienced anything like this? Have you
been through hurricanes before in the Bahamas?
BURROWS: I`ve been through many hurricanes. But I`ve never, ever been in
one like this. I think this is the worst I`ve ever seen in my 34 years
living in Freeport.
O`DONNELL: Jensen Burrows, thank you very much and thank you for the work
you did to save and help your neighbors. We really appreciate it. Thank
BURROWS: I appreciate it. Thank you.
O`DONNELL: And for more on how South Carolina is now bracing for the next
stage of Hurricane Dorian, we turn to MSNBC anchor and correspondent Ali
Velshi. He`s in Charleston, South Carolina, tonight.
Ali, what are you expecting there?
ALI VELSHI, MSNBC ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: Well, we`re in what seems to
be a tropical storm at the moment. It`s not going to get full hurricane-
force winds. But right now, this storm is due south of us.
And it`s headed probably within tens of miles of Charleston. It won`t come
here, but we`ll have stronger winds by tomorrow morning, by midday tomorrow
and finally by 6:00 tomorrow, we`ll get the heaviest winds. You can still
see, there are some winds. There are some people in Charleston right now,
most of this area has been evacuated. It`s been under mandatory
evacuation, about a half million people here.
The problem around here is that it floods all the time. Charleston is a
place that experiences a lot of flooding. So, you`ll see this restaurant
is boarded up and it`s got sandbags, except the city ran out of sandbags
about halfway through the day today, so flooding is going to be a concern.
The city has opened up all of its garages in town. They`re multistory
units where they are allowing people to park. But as you know, the issue
is flooding more than it is wind damage around here, across South Carolina.
The other issue around here is that the area is saturated. It`s been
raining. It was raining last year. You remember when Florence came up, it
was a tropical storm too, and yet it took lives and it caused a lot of
devastation, because the water has another to go.
So, tomorrow, this is – by the way, this is Market Street. This is the
middle of historic Charleston. This is the street where you would normally
– there would be open air stuff, the best pralines I`ve ever had are on
this street. It is empty.
That issue is that this is all going to be flooded. Tomorrow morning, this
will all be flooded and, of course, so will the coastal areas around here.
So, that`s the danger here, the flooding and whether or not people have
taken the evacuation order seriously, because you just don`t know, when the
power comes back, what your transportation situation is going to be and how
you can get out and get health care if you need it.
So, police have asked people to leave here. They`ve tried to lower the
level of the lakes in the area to allow for flooding. They`ve got –
they`re ready with FEMA vehicles. They`ve got high water vehicles. They
even have boats ready to rescue people in this area. But they`re really
hoping most people have just left, Lawrence.
O`DONNELL: Ali Velshi, thank you very much for joining us with that report
tonight. We really appreciate it.
Thank you, Ali.
And when we come back, a new poll has some campaign news for Donald Trump
in a key swing state, a state that Donald Trump won last time. Cecile
Richards was a powerful voice as president of Planned Parenthood and now
with her new group, Super Majority, she`s working to mobilize women voters
in key states for the 2020 election and beyond. Cecile Richards will join
O`DONNELL: There is new polling tonight that shows Donald Trump behind in
the crucial swing state of Wisconsin, a state that he won in the last
election by less than 1 percent of the vote on his way to squeaking out a
win in the Electoral College.
The new Marquette Law School poll shows Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden
ahead of Donald Trump 51 percent to 42 percent. The poll also shows Bernie
Sanders ahead at 48 percent to 44 percent. Elizabeth Warren is tied with
Donald Trump at 45 percent. And Kamala Harris is tied with Donald Trump at
44 percent. The poll did not do any other one-on-one matchups of the
Democratic candidates against Donald Trump.
And there was more unwelcome news for the Wisconsin Republican Party today.
If you are a 40-year-old Wisconsinite, there has not been a day of your
life when Jim Sensenbrenner has not been a Republican member of Congress
representing suburban Milwaukee. He gained national fame as the member of
the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment of President Bill
Clinton and served as one of the prosecutors of Bill Clinton in the Senate
impeachment trial. He announced today that he will not seek reelection to
a 22nd term in the House of Representatives.
Without Jim Sensenbrenner running, the Republicans will have more of a
struggle in holding on to that suburban House seat. One year serving in
the minority in the House of Representatives is about enough for Texas
Republican Representative Bill Flores who became the fifth, fifth Texas
Republican member of the House of Representatives to announce he will not
seek reelection to what polling indicates is now and will likely continue
to be a House of Representatives controlled by the Democratic Party.
Why are so many Texas Republicans giving up on a career in the House of
We`re joined now by someone who knows a thing or two about Texas politics.
Cecile Richards` mother, Ann Richards, was the governor of Texas. Cecile
Richards is now the co-founder of the new group Supermajority, a national
group helping women get involved in civic action.
So, let`s start with Texas. What`s happening?
CECILE RICHARDS, CO-FOUNDER, SUPERMAJORITY: Well, the interesting thing, I
think Texas is kind of a microcosm of some trends we`re seeing around the
country. One is, of course, of these congressional seats, we have four
congressional seats now that are held by Republicans. Very competitive.
And every single one of those races is – the challengers are women,
including Wendy Davis who ran for governor, now challenging in a
The whole electorate is shifting, and it`s shifting based on women and
people of color getting more engaged in politics. We saw a 15-point
increase in voter turnout from the last midterms to this year, and that is
– that is really what`s fuelling the activity.
And I – it`s fascinating too, John Cornyn, of course, who is up for
reelection to the United States Senate, a very weak incumbent, four women
are challenging him. I think that is really the name of the game in Texas,
and we`re seeing it across the country, women are on fire politically.
They are the majority of voters, increasingly the majority of activists,
donors and candidates.
O`DONNELL: And the president`s approval rating among women voters, let`s
just take a look at that in the Quinnipiac poll, approve 33 percent,
disapprove 62 percent. So, women`s disapproval of Donald Trump is higher
than the national total. So, they are kind of the leading voting force
against the president.
RICHARDS: Absolutely. I mean, that is why Supermajority, we are finding
all across the country, women who are raising their hand and saying, I`ve
never been involved in politics, I`ve never registered voters or knocked on
doors, I want to learn how to do it, and that`s what we`re doing. We`re
getting on the road, actually, on September 15th, starting with Stacey
Abrams in Georgia and going all across the country. These women are
desperate to find out how can they actually turn things around in this
country and increasingly are recognizing that they`re going to be the
deciding voters in 2020.
O`DONNELL: What is motivating them? Is it character issues of Donald
Trump, is it policy issues?
RICHARDS: I mean, it`s both, Lawrence. One, it`s certainly character.
Women, and we just a finish a poll in the field shows women feel like
they`re losing their rights under this administration. They feel like the
president disrespects women, which he does every single day.
But they`re also concerned about issues that they want to see addressed by
this government, affordable access to health care, the fact that we have no
national childcare plan. And that`s an issue that doesn`t only affect
women, it affects men as well. These are issues that women are tired of
being put to the side as women`s issues and are saying, actually these are
fundamental to our economy and women`s ability to, you know, succeed in the
workforce and to support their family.
O`DONNELL: What are you finding that they`re saying about the president`s
treatment of families and children at the southern border?
RICHARDS: Well, I think this is an issue – I mean, it`s interesting, they
were talking about Wisconsin. I heard about this from a Wisconsin mother
who said I cannot look and see what is happening to parents, the separation
of families. These are issues that touch women all across the country, not
only at the border, and I think that`s what we`re seeing in the Midwest as
And again, I think it`s not just women in Texas. Arizona, Florida. It`s
women everywhere. I think, you know, we will see in 2020 and super
majority is committed to running the largest women to women voter turnout
program in the country.
O`DONNELL: Cecile Richards, thank you very much for joining us –
RICHARDS: It`s so good to see you.
O`DONNELL: – in your new job tonight, really good to have you here.
RICHARDS: Thanks a lot.
O`DONNELL: When we come back, what would make a child say I can`t feel my
heart? That is in an inspector general`s report about how children are
describing the emotional trauma inflicted on them when the Trump
administration has separated them from their parents at the southern
border. That report was written by an acting inspector general who Donald
Trump did not appoint. That`s next.
O`DONNELL: A new report from Joanne Chiedi, acting inspector general of
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, describes the
psychological and emotional trauma being suffered by migrant children in
Trump administration custody at the southern border. One program director
at one of the facilities that was studied by the inspector general said,
quote: Every single separated kid has been terrified.
The report states: some separated children expressed acute grief that
caused them to cry inconsolably. The report quotes a medical director at
one of the facilities. Physical symptoms felt by separated children are
manifestations of their psychological pain. You get a lot of, my chest
hurts, even though everything is fine medically.
Children describe symptoms. Every heartbeat hurts. I can`t feel my heart,
of emotional pain.
And one of the program directors interviewed by the inspector general gave
this report. A 7 or 8-year-old boy was separated from his father without
any explanation as to why the separation occurred. The child was under the
delusion that his father had been killed and believed that he also would be
killed. This child ultimately required emergency psychiatric care to
address his mental health distress.
Julia Ainsley has been this covering this story for NBC News. She has been
to the border repeatedly and has herself spoken to people in these
facilities. And we are lucky to have her with her view of the inspector
general`s report. Julia, it really is one of the painful documents to read
about this story.
JULIA AINSLEY, NBC NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY & JUSTICE REPORTER: It is,
Lawrence. And for some time, we heard from the American Pediatric
Association warning about the long term effects of separation, even if the
separation was at max two weeks. And we know some went on for months as
the government struggled to reunite these families.
But this report really brings it home because you`re able to hear through
the mouths of the children and through the mental health workers who worked
with them the anguish that they were in. And they said some of the
unaccompanied children who came on their own, were teenagers, they also had
mental health challenges. But it was those who were separated that were
under so much distress because of their feelings of anxiety and abandonment
but also because they were so young.
Many of the children who come on their own, like we said, are teenagers,
but there were children who are under the age of five who were separated
under zero-tolerance. And some I`d say just didn`t even have the words to
say what they were going through. One mental health worker said the little
ones don`t know how to express what they are feeling. They described having
chest pains. What you`re describing there.
And so this report, even though we`re now over a year out from this policy,
it really brings home the long-term damage that those two months had and
really puts into perspective what is happening now as we see children who
are held longer than they should in detention facilities, children who were
taken apart from their grandmothers or aunts and uncles, and some children
who are still being separated from their parents for different reasons.
O`DONNELL: And Julia, this was written by Joanne Chiedi. She is the Acting
Inspector General. And we may - it might be the only reason we have this
report is that President Trump has never appointed anyone to be the
Inspector General of Health and Human Services. And so we`ve had holdover
of government employees there.
And Joanne Chiedi, as far as I could find out today, first went to work in
government during the Clinton administration. And so she`s worked her way
up to this position to be able to do this. And it is a very thorough, very
professional report, exactly the kind of oversight that you would expect
from the department, especially on a program that for them is relatively
novel on this scale, this level of detention and separation of families.
AINSLEY: That`s true. I mean, the report is remarkable in its level of
detail. They went to 45 different facilities. There are 100 facilities like
this across the country. Another thing they found, Lawrence, that I think
is worth noting is that six of those 45 facilities that they dropped in on
did not require background checks, either FBI fingerprinting or background
checks required by Child Protective Services for the employees before they
And I found that just to be a tragic coincidence, because when I was in
Tornillo, Texas, right outside of El Paso, last year, that we were in these
tent facilities that were overcrowded with children. And HHS then said the
reason we are so backed up is because of these very long process we have to
follow in order to verify the identity of the parents that we`re going to
reunite these children with.
They were requiring those parents to go through FBI fingerprint, background
checks, but not the employees who were taking care of the children in these
facilities. So it was tragic to read that and to know that there were
employees there who didn`t have to go through a background check at all
before being hired.
O`DONNELL: Julia Ainsley, thank you very much for your reporting on this–
AINSLEY: Thank you.
O`DONNELL: –and for joining us tonight on this important subject. Really
AINSLEY: Thank you.
O`DONNELL: Thank you.
And when we come back, today`s Inspector General`s report is horrifying,
but it is predictable. It`s predictable for anyone who has been following
the news about these children and what`s been happening to them. Nicole
Austin-Hillery has actually visited some of the children being held at the
southern border. She`s one of the very few people who`s actually been
allowed inside to speak directly with the girls and the boys and the babies
in Trump administration custody at the southern border. She`ll join us
O`DONNELL: Here is more from today`s Inspector General`s report on the
psychological and emotional trauma suffered by migrant children in Trump
administration custody at the southern border. A program director at one of
the facilities told the Inspector General, “The little ones don`t know how
to express what they are feeling, what has happened. Communication is
limited and difficult. They need more attention.”
We`re joined now by one of the few people who has been inside the places
where the Trump administration is holding children in custody at the
southern border. Nicole Austin-Hillery is a lawyer who has been
representing the interests of these children for years. And so it is only
through the powers of the court that she has been allowed to gain this
precious access to these children and share with us, once again tonight,
what she has found in her visits with these children.
And joining us now is Nicole Austin-Hillery. She is the Executive Director
of U.S. Programs for Human Rights Watch. Thank you very much for joining us
again tonight. And I read portions of this report, and they are quotes.
They`re real things from people who are working inside. And yet they are so
obvious, and we could have all predicted that this is exactly what little
children would be feeling.
NICOLE AUSTIN-HILLERY, U.S. PROGRAMS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HUMAN RIGHTS
WATCH: Lawrence, it`s common sense. If you take a child from his or her
parent, there is going to be a reaction. And that reaction is usually going
to be negative. When you take a child to school on the very first day, for
the very first time, and you separate them from their parent, oftentimes
children cry. We know that is standard.
So what does the Trump administration think would happen if you take
children who are from another nation, bring them to a strange new place and
take them away from their parents? You will get the results that the
Inspector General`s report documented. You will have children that are
inconsolable, that cry uncontrollably, that are frightened, and that are in
fear for their own lives, who have no idea what`s going to happen to them
or what has happened to their parents.
This is consistent with what I saw when visiting the detention facility in
Clint. I had children that I spoke to who cried uncontrollably, with whom I
could barely carry on a conversation because they were afraid, Lawrence,
and they had no idea what was about to happen to them and what they could
expect from day to day.
O`DONNELL: I want to go back to something I mentioned and quoted in the
previous segment that`s on Page 11 of the Inspector General`s report. And
this is the Inspector General now just delivering what a program director
has told the Inspector General. And it is this. I`m going to read it again.
It`s a - “A seven or eight-year-old boy was separated from his father,
without any explanation as to why the separation occurred. The child was
under the delusion that his father had been killed and believed that he
would also be killed. This child ultimately required emergency psychiatric
care to address his mental health distress.”
And Nicole, what I`m struck by there is the word “delusion.” I`m not sure
why that would be a delusion. It seems like a perfectly reasonable
possibility in that child`s life experience, that his father has been
killed, and a perfectly reasonable fear that he could be killed himself.
And so this strikes me as emotional distress, not mental health distress
and not what you would call a delusion.
AUSTIN-HILLERY: No, not a delusion at all. Lawrence, when we talked to the
children in Texas and we asked them questions, to try to gauge what their
understanding was of their experiences, these children did not know exactly
why they were separated from their parents. They often didn`t know where
their parents were. They didn`t know when they would see them again. They
didn`t know what had become of their parents in many instances.
So, of course, it is quite predictable that you would have children who
would suffer this kind of emotional distress. And this kind of emotional
stress does indeed we know from other research that it can lead to mental
Look, at Human Rights Watch, we did reports as far back as the start of the
Trump administration`s zero-tolerance policy. And we started documenting
what the experiences were of the children and the experiences of their
families because we can`t stop just with the children, Lawrence, we have to
also look at what`s happening to the families.
Our researchers showed in their reports that the families in total were
suffering from the same kinds of experiences. So it has a trickle-down
effect. It impacts the parents and it impacts the children.
O`DONNELL: Every word of this report I read, it feels odd to read it
because it just seems so obvious. For example, a program director saying,
“We need more psychiatrists, neurodevelopmental psychiatrists, and
psychologists.” Well, of course, they do.
AUSTIN-HILLERY: Exactly. And the problem here is that while it`s very good
that this report has been made public today and that we`re having this
conversation, the next question is, what now? It`s one thing to expose
what`s going on. It`s another thing for the Trump administration to then
say, OK, we have this data, it`s been documented, and now here is what
we`re going to do next. We haven`t heard that, Lawrence. We have no idea
what they`re going to do with this information. And frankly, we really
don`t have a great expectation that they are going to act on it.
We have seen when they`ve received other types of information, when myself
and other colleagues and other advocates reported on what we saw in Clint
and in Homestead and in other facilities, we really didn`t see a difference
in terms of the protocols and what the administration was doing to create
change and make sure that the outcomes were different.
That`s what we now need to be putting pressure on the administration about.
Now you have the information. What are you going to do to ensure that the
outcome is now different and that these children receive the care that they
need so that they will not suffer from these same mental health issues that
the OIG`s report has documented.
O`DONNELL: Exactly. And the profile and courage in delivering this report
to us today is Joanne M. Chiedi. She is the Acting Inspector General of the
Department of Health and Human Services. She was not appointed by President
Trump and might not be long in that job if it`s up to President Trump. And
this kind of work is crucially important, and we are so lucky that someone
took on this duty in the department and got this done.
Nicole Austin-Hillery, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
AUSTIN-HILLERY: You`re welcome, Lawrence. Thanks for having me on.
O`DONNELL: And when we come back, imagine, if you will, Alexandria Ocasio-
Cortez or Katie Porter or Adam Schiff or any other member of the House of
Representatives getting to yell questions at Donald Trump on the floor of
the House of Representatives. Well, a version of that happens routinely in
the British House of Commons during Prime Minister`s questioning time. And
it did not go well today for new British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. We
have the video, next.
O`DONNELL: Saying Boris Johnson is a loser is not so much editorial comment
as it is simple reporting of what has happened to Boris Johnson in every
vote in parliament this week when he became the first British Prime
Minister since 1894 to lose his first vote in the House of Commons. He has
now lost his first three votes in a row, which might be a record for a
British Prime Minister. And here is how Boris Johnson`s day went today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BORIS JOHNSON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Under any circumstances, this
country will leave the EU on October the 31st.
IAN BLACKFORD, MP, SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY: We have seized back control
from a prime minister who is behaving like a dictator more than a democrat.
The Prime Minister must be stopped.
JO SWINSON, MP, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS: He knows he cannot get the great deal
because there is no such thing as a great Brexit deal. And he is scared of
being found out.
JEREMY CORBYN, MP, LABOUR PARTY: He`s desperate, absolutely desperate to
TANMANJEET SINGH DHESI, MP, LABOUR PARTY: When will the Prime Minister
finally apologize for his derogatory and racist remarks–?
PAUL BLOMFIELD, MP, LABOUR PARTY: Does the Prime Minister understand why
across this country people find it difficult to trust a word he says?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: The House of Commons passed a bill that would prevent the United
Kingdom from leaving the European Union without a negotiated settlement
with the European Union. That bill has gone to the House of Lords where it
is expected to pass.
If it becomes law, the British Prime Minister will be required to request a
90-day extension on the October 31st deadline for a Brexit deal if no deal
with the European Union has been agreed to by October 31st. Boris Johnson
has been promising that he would lead the United Kingdom out of the
European Union on October 31st with or without a negotiated exit agreement
with the European Union.
And to explain it all, we are joined now by David Smith. He is the
Washington Bureau Chief for “The Guardian.” And David, I have been brushing
up on my British parliamentary procedure, and it is - it is a daunting task
because the complexities strike me as much harder to explain than anything
that happens in Washington.
Ultimately, when I sort through everything that has happened, it now seems
that where we are headed, and this could be thanks to Boris Johnson`s
misfired strategy, is ultimately toward this 90-day delay. Is that what`s
DAVID SMITH, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, THE GUARDIAN: I think there`s a
significant chance of that. But what we`ve learned over the past three
years or so with Brexit is that just expect the unexpected. And it`s been
very unpredictable and volatile and hard to imagine what will happen.
What I`m looking at is right now perhaps two scenarios. One is the no-deal
Brexit Boris Johnson seems to be pushing for. The other is that perhaps
we`ll inevitably end up with a general election and Jeremy Corbyn, Labour
leader, has suggested that once legislation is passed against a no-deal
then he`d be willing to go ahead with an election. So, so far, he`s
resisted it because he thinks it`s a ruse on Johnson`s part. But overall,
it does remain extremely difficult to see one way or the other what the
outcome is going to be.
O`DONNELL: So Boris Johnson loses these votes and he does what is the norm
in these circumstances for a prime minister, which is he says all right,
then I`m calling for an election so that we can sort this out at the ballot
box with voters. And then he gets denied that request to have an election.
Parliament votes against that. And partially because not so much that many
of them don`t want the election, they just don`t believe him about when
that election would be. That seems to be Corbyn`s biggest stumbling block
on the election is that he doesn`t believe Boris Johnson when he says he
would have an election on, say, October 15th. Is it up to the Prime
Minister to decide when this election is?
SMITH: No. What we`ve seen today is parliament really asserting its
authority and telling Boris Johnson, no, you can`t have an election. He
would have needed two-thirds of parliament to go ahead with that. So,
Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, said this offer of an election, it was
like being offered a poisoned apple by the snow queen. And really he
suspected that it was all a trick, that once an election was underway,
Johnson would find some sneaky way to exit the European Union without a
deal. It`s really extraordinary, as Johnson himself pointed out at Prime
Minister`s questions for the opposition to turn down the chance of an
election where they theoretically might win power.
And I think what we`re seeing here is a real reassertion of parliamentary
power. Boris Johnson has, in the past, expressed admiration for Donald
Trump and his style of being a wrecking ball and forcing things through
without much debate. But he`s come up against a parliament that`s willing
to push back and willing to play hardball and take him on. And so far,
Johnson seems to be losing to parliament.
O`DONNELL: Was there - looking back on it, have we hit this point because
of Johnson`s missteps? Did he have - did he make some strategic mistakes
getting to here?
SMITH: Some say that. Some still believe that he has planned all this and
with the help of Dominic Cummings, his Svengali, it`s all a clever grand
strategy that will ultimately lead to potentially a no-deal Brexit and
indeed an election where they believe Johnson would increase his majority
and be empowered.
But I think also to take a step back, remember, this has been a political
crisis of more than three years, which also mired his predecessor, Theresa
May. The bottom line is that Brexit put Britain in terrible shape and
really still parliament is struggling to deal with that.
O`DONNELL: David, I remember I was here when the final Brexit vote count
came out, and it was the breaking news of this hour. I ended up doing extra
coverage on it. And I remember sitting here thinking that night, well,
they`re going to have to have another vote once they see what the deal is.
Whenever there is that divorce deal, the country will have to have another
vote on that. Seemed obvious to me, but we`re not there yet.
David Smith, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate
SMITH: Thank you.
O`DONNELL: And when we come back, we have breaking news. We`re going to
have the latest on Hurricane Dorian`s path, the latest announcement is
coming up just in a few minutes from the national weather trackers about
exactly what the latest track is. We`ll be right back with that.
O`DONNELL: Breaking news. Let`s go right to NBC Meteorologist Bill Karins.
BILL KARINS, NBC NEWS METEOROLOGIST: Lawrence, it`s back to a Category 3
major hurricane. Dorian has increased in intensity just a little bit, up to
115-mile-per-hour max winds. And if anyone has yet to evacuate in eastern
North Carolina, you don`t have much time left. In South Carolina, it`s
probably too late. Hopefully everyone listening to their emergency
managers. Still slow moving at seven miles per hour. The heavy rains moving
on the coast. We`re tracking the eye here. And we`re mostly now going in a
northerly direction. And due north is Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Wilmington,
and all of eastern North Carolina. And you are in the path.
As far as the new forecast goes from the Hurricane Center, this is it.
Major Category 3 storm, only roughly about 100 miles away from Charleston.
It goes north overnight. By early tomorrow morning, still a major Category
3, and then paralleling the coastline, possibly making a landfall here into
the Cape Fear River, the Wrightsville Beach area, Wilmington. At that
point, winds would likely be about 105 to 110. And if you go through the
eye, you could have gusts to 120 miles per hour. Yes, that`s in areas of
Wilmington, North Carolina, possible tomorrow, Lawrence.
O`DONNELL: Bill Karins, thank you very much for updating us. Really
And that is tonight`s LAST WORD. “THE 11TH HOUR” with Brian Williams starts
BRIAN WILLIAMS, MSNBC ANCHOR: Tonight, and apparently with the stroke of a
sharpie, an attempt by the Trump White House to rewrite weather history as
we all look on. And as we say about so much of what we cover around here,
we`ve never seen anything like this.
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