The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 9/27/17 Trump warns NFL over protests

Glenn Flush, David Jolly, Colin Allred, Jason Johnson, Michael Isikoff

Date: September 27, 2017
Guest: Glenn Flush, David Jolly, Colin Allred, Jason Johnson, Michael

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: That does it for us tonight, we`ll see you again
tomorrow, now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell, good
evening Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Good evening Rachel, I have a
feeling that Bob Mueller could find him there. I think it`s – might not
work out for the perfect hideout.

MADDOW: I mean, if you are trying to avoid arraignment, northern Iraq
wouldn`t be the worst place in the world to hide out, but, you know, maybe
the Kurds will hook him – I don`t know – I don`t know – I don`t know.

O`DONNELL: Well, certainly, if you wanted a little more time –


O`DONNELL: To think about how cooperative you might want to be with the
special prosecutor, this could definitely buy him some of that time.

MADDOW: I like the fact that he is in the middle of – he is in the middle
of this gigantic counter intelligence investigation about a foreign power
undermining the United States.


MADDOW: And he manages to squeeze in one more consulting gig to get paid
to work against the interests of the United States before he gets indicted.

O`DONNELL: He is supposed to be doing the kinds of things that you look at
and you say, well, a man who would do that would never do that other thing.

MADDOW: Would never do anything to hurt his country.

O`DONNELL: Instead, he is doing a thing like exactly like what he`s
suspected of maybe having done.


O`DONNELL: That`s the way it is. Thank you Rachel –

MADDOW: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Well, fresh off his humiliating and total defeat in trying to
convince the Senate to pass any form of repeal of Obamacare, President
Trump began his big push today in his next legislative crusade and he
proved once again why he is the worst possible partner in crime for
congressional Republicans.

And of course, I mean the phrase partner in crime simply as a figure of
speech. Donald Trump confessed to the crime in the first words that he
spoke today about the Republican tax crusade.

The only reason the Democrats can hope that the Republican tax crusade
might fail is because Donald Trump is president.

If any other Republican had been elected president, the Republican Congress
already would have passed a tax cut for that Republican president to sign.

As they did for George W. Bush on June 7th, there`s the last Republican
president signing a tax cut into law on June 7th of his first year in

On June 7th of this year, the president was in Cincinnati having one of
those raucous Trump rallies promising to repeal and replace Obamacare any
minute now and unveiling the Trump infrastructure plan.

Remember that? The Trump infrastructure plan which has gone absolutely
nowhere since that day because it is the Trump infrastructure plan.

And Trump plans go nowhere in Congress. There are a few reasons why Donald
Trump has failed to repeal and replace Obamacare.

The most important is that the country doesn`t want him to do it. The
polling is overwhelmingly against it, it is a very bad policy idea.

But it was made all the more impossible by Donald Trump`s total ignorance
of health care policy and inability to stay on message.

Every version of the Republican health care bill was another attempt to
take health care coverage away from tens of millions of people, every
Republican in Congress knew that.

Every Republican knew that Democrats would say that the Republicans were
being mean for voting for such a bill.

But when the House Republicans voted to pass a version of the bill, they
actually got it passed, none of them knew that Donald Trump was going to
call them mean which he did.

Not long after they voted for that bill, he called them mean for voting for
it. With a legislative team leader like that, who needs opponents?

During the presidential campaign, candidate Trump constantly promised to
provide health care coverage for everyone.

Total and complete universal coverage every person in America and it would
be better, everyone would have better health care coverage, thanks to
President Trump.

And every time he said that, every congressional Republican knew that that
was a lie. They all knew that repealing and replacing Obamacare would mean
the opposite.

It would mean taking health care coverage away from tens of millions of
people. And so Donald Trump made a very difficult legislative crusade

And so, it is now with zero confidence in Donald Trump`s ability to lead
the legislative crusade that the Republicans today began doing what they
love to do, the thing they know how to do – cut taxes.

But if you listen to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, they are not proposing
a tax cut. They are proposing something much more high-minded.

Not a tax cut, not a giveaway to the rich, they`re proposing tax reform.
They are following in the footsteps of Ronald Reagan who led the Congress
on what turned out to be successful tax reform in 1986.

In which income tax rates were lowered but many deductions were eliminated
so that the government took in about the same amount of revenue.

It was a genuine attempt to make the tax code less complex and more fair.
President Trump`s speechwriters gave him a speech today that stuck to the
tax reform ideal in the talking points – a tax reform ideal that echoes
Ronald Reagan.

And that the talking points that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell stick with,
with discipline because they do not want to get caught proposing a massive
tax cut for the rich.

But the problem you have when you send Donald Trump out on stage is what is
he going to say that`s not in the teleprompter?

And in the very first words he spoke before reading that teleprompter,
Donald Trump went way off message and he gave away the game.


just want massive tax cuts, that`s what you want. That`s the only reason
you`re going so wild.



O`DONNELL: And he`s right, massive tax cuts. That`s what he`s proposing.
Massive tax cuts. That`s what this is about, not tax reform.

And the massive tax cuts are going to the people with the massive incomes
and the massive wealth. And that`s not what the speechwriters put in
Donald Trump`s teleprompter.

Here is what they wanted him to say – apparently, we don`t have that part
of it. Let me see if I have it on tape here and I can read it to you.

What they wanted him to say was, “our framework includes our explicit
commitment that tax reform will protect low and middle income households,
not the wealthy and well-connected.

They can call me all they want, it`s not going to help, I`m doing the right
thing, and this is the important part, and it`s not good for me, believe

Do not believe him. There are massive gifts to Donald Trump and his family
in the massive tax cuts that Trump and the Republicans are proposing.

They would eliminate the inheritance tax so that Ivanka Trump and her
brothers would not have to suffer one penny of taxation when their father`s
estate passes to them.

Trump and the Republicans are proposing a massive tax cut for the very
wealthy by cutting the tax rate that is most important to them – the
capital gains tax rate.

Because we`re not allowed to see Donald Trump`s tax returns, we can`t give
you exact numbers on just how giant a tax gift this is to Donald Trump

Donald Trump is the first president in history who when unveiling a tax
proposal has said, it`s not good for me, believe me.

And he is also the first president in history who we have reason to believe
is pushing a tax cut specifically because it is good for him.

It is great for him. No president before Donald Trump was ever vulnerable
to the accusation that he was trying to cut taxes for his own personal

When we watched President Reagan and President Clinton and President Bush
and President Obama pushing tax legislation, we`d already looked at their
personal income tax returns which they made public.

Donald Trump is never going to voluntarily let us see his tax returns and
so whenever he tries that line about this tax cut not being good for him,
he will always have to follow it with that catchphrase of his, “believe

But he will never, ever give anyone a reason to believe him about taxes.
Joining us now, Bruce Bartlett; an economist who was a former deputy
assistant secretary at the Treasury under President George H.W. Bush.

Also with us, David Cay Johnson; Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who
founded D.C.Report.Org; a nonprofit news organization that covers the Trump

David is a former tax reporter for the “New York Times”. And Bruce, we
want to start with you because you were there at the revolution, at the tax
revolution that began in Republican governance during the Reagan
administration where there came the notion that the tax reform as done by
President Reagan and the Congress would actually improve things for
everyone by achieving some simplification.

But not losing any revenue to the Treasury and in order to do that, of
course, you had to clear out some of the deductions that were losing
revenue. What is your reading of what you see in this Republican tax plan

BRUCE BARTLETT, ECONOMIST: Well, first of all, keep in mind that the
Reagan effort in 1986 was a very serious and long-term effort.

They didn`t just send out, you know, brief documents of talking points.
There was a three-volume Treasury Department study that was very detailed
in its recommendations and then the White House itself sent a large
document of several hundred pages to the Capitol Hill with very specific
recommendations of what to do and how to do it and why to do it.

And Capitol – when it got to Capitol Hill, it was a totally bipartisan
process. Democrat Dan Rostenkowski who chaired the House Ways and Means
Committee was deeply involved in the legislative process.

Many days of hearings were held and Senator Bob Packwood; the Chairman of
the Senate Finance Committee, was equally involved and the president
himself was very involved.

And believe me, Ronald Reagan could rattle off fine details about his tax
legislation. I seriously doubt that Donald Trump has the faintest idea
what is in the package that he just proposed today.

O`DONNELL: Bruce, you recently said that everything Republicans now say
about taxation is wrong. What happened?

BARTLETT: Well, I think that they took a good idea of lowering marginal
tax rates and doing tax reform and they simply got carried away.

They started making exaggerated arguments, saying these tax cuts will pay
for themselves with no loss of revenue.

And that`s just hogwash. That`s just a lie. And anybody who says it is a
liar. And I think that – and the people who say it know that they`re

There`s not a single serious study – there`s no serious studies of
anything by this administration or anybody on the right these days that
would back up in the slightest possible way the talking points that they
just continually throw out there as just propaganda.

O`DONNELL: David, the polling on this is looking strikingly similar to the
polling on repealing and replacing Obamacare.

Nbc-“Wall Street Journal” polls says how should we tax corporations? Fifty
five percent want increased taxation on the corporations.

Decrease them which is the Republican and Trump position is, supported by
16 percent and then keeping them about the same is 25 percent proposition.

And so this begins as an unpopular legislative crusade based on what`s
actually in this.

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON, JOURNALIST: Well, when people realize what`s happening
to their individual tax rates, they`re really going to go crazy.

Instead of 10 percent and then 15 percent, it`s going to be 12 percent and
then more than double to 25 percent – I`m sorry, this is a middle class
tax cut?

Now, they didn`t give us any numbers on where these would apply, but they
keep saying $24,000 of income for a married couple, you won`t pay any tax
on it.

Well, currently, you don`t pay any on 19,000, so that`s not much of a
shift. This is, Lawrence, absolutely a massive give-away program for
Donald Trump and had it been in effect the year that I got his tax return
for, 2005, it would be an 85 percent reduction in Donald Trump`s taxes.

O`DONNELL: And Bruce, the last time Republicans did this kind of massive
tax cutting, President George W. Bush actually took the bottom tax bracket
down, the bottom bracket was 15 percent and he took it down to 10 percent
which was politically a brilliant stroke because it helped what they call
the distribution chart who benefits by how much over the income ranges.

To see the bottom tax bracket actually increase is really a stunning tone
deaf note that`s in this plan.

BARTLETT: Well, almost everything this administration does is politically
tone deaf. The problem they have is that they want to massively cut the
corporate tax rate and there isn`t enough – there aren`t enough tax
loopholes on the corporate side that just pay for it honestly by getting
rid of those loopholes.

They have to find some additional revenue and so they`re squeezing the
individual side which is actually the opposite of the Tax Reform Act of `86
which raised taxes on corporations and used that revenue to cut taxes for

O`DONNELL: And John McCain said the magic words today about this tax plan,
he said, “we need to do in it a bipartisan fashion.”

And David, if they do that, the way Bruce was saying they did it in 1986
with Bill Bradley on the Democratic side in the Senate and many other
players, Democrats and Republicans in the House and the Senate, then you`re
not going do get a plan that looks anything like what the president was
talking about today.

JOHNSTON: Oh not at all. This is – this plan is welfare for
billionaires. No estate tax as you pointed out earlier, eliminating the
AMT which is probably generally a good thing to do but you have to do it in

But lowering the top rate to 35 percent and then this provision that if you
incorporate yourself, you`re going to pay no more than 20 percent.

This is entirely designed exactly as Donald Trump said today, massive tax
cuts for the people who were applauding him and this is not going to go

It doesn`t have the intellectual firepower behind it, you know, they say
it`s a nine-page memo. You know, if a student of mine gave me that, I
would say no, that`s four pages, go back and fulfill your assignment.

And you need hundreds of pages of serious intellectual firepower if you`re
going to fix our tax system which we need to do, Lawrence.

We very much need to fix our tax system. This isn`t fixing it and Donald
doesn`t have a clue about what it means.

O`DONNELL: Bruce, quickly before we go, Lindsey Graham said today that
what`s at stake in this is simply the future of the party in Congress.

He believes if they do not pass this, they will lose their majority.
What`s your reaction to that?

BARTLETT: He may be right about that. There`s a deep frustration in the
Republican Party that we saw yesterday in Alabama where Trump`s candidate
was defeated where the activists are upset that they didn`t get all the
stuff that Trump promised them that they were going to get on day one.

And so, I think if they continue to fail in their efforts, people –
there`s simply not going to see any point in keeping them around.

O`DONNELL: THE LAST WORD tax experts Bruce Bartlett and David Cay
Johnston, thank you both for joining us on this important night, really
appreciate you being here.

BARTLETT: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Thank you. Up next, how Donald Trump is handling what he
called – these are his words, a total embarrassment.


O`DONNELL: When the House of Representatives failed to pass a health care
bill in March, President Trump publicly surrendered, he just gave up, he
quit, he did not yet know that you never have to publicly admit defeat with

You can always pretend that you`ll try again. Here`s what the president
said in March.


TRUMP: We couldn`t quite get there. We`re just a very small number of
votes short. In terms of getting our bill passed, I think what will happen
is Obamacare unfortunately will explode.

We`ll probably be going right now for tax reform. Oh, I think we have to
let Obamacare go its way for a little while and we`ll see how things go.


O`DONNELL: He gave up. And here is what the president who has absolutely
no chance of ever passing a health care bill said today.


TRUMP: I just wanted to say, though, on health care, we have the votes for
health care. We have one senator that`s in the hospital.

He can`t vote because he`s in the hospital. He can`t vote because he`s in
the hospital. We have two other votes that are coming and we will have

But the problem is we can`t have them by Friday because of reconciliation
ends on Friday. So we`ll have to do it in January or February.


O`DONNELL: The Republicans in the Senate don`t have the votes for
repealing Obamacare now, it is over, it is not going to get better.

And nothing the president said today can change that. One report indicates
that after the Trump-backed candidate lost the Alabama Senate race last
night, the president was embarrassed and angry according to a person
familiar with his mindset.

Donald Trump has deleted three of his tweets urging Alabama voters to
support his losing candidate, Luther Strange including the tweet claiming
Luther Strange has been shooting up in the Alabama polls since my

Donald Trump predicted last week what would happen if Luther Strange lost.


TRUMP: I`ll be honest. I might have made a mistake. If Luther doesn`t
win, they`re not going to say we picked up 25 points in a very short period
of time.

They`re going to say Donald Trump, the president of the United States was
unable to pull his candidate across the line. It is a terrible moment for
Trump. This is total embarrassment.


O`DONNELL: And here`s how the president handled his total embarrassment


TRUMP: Well, we have a man who is going to be a great senator and I`m very
happy with that. I spoke to him last night, I never met him, I never spoke
to him, I`m very happy with him.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Glenn Thrush; White House correspondent for the
“New York Times” and an Msnbc contributor.

Also joining us, former Republican Congressman David Jolly from Florida.
David, I want to get your reading on the president pretending that there`s
a future for this in the Senate now that he`s supporting a new Alabama
Senate candidate –


O`DONNELL: Who is opposed to it.

JOLLY: Lawrence, he doesn`t have the votes and that was a lie today.


JOLLY: Outright lie. The president has been redefining two major losses
in the last 24 hours. One on health care, he`s suggesting now it`s a
matter of the calendar, and that`s all.

And in Alabama, he is clearly stepping back from his endorsement of Luther
Strange, and I think he was led to perhaps by the establishment and made a
decision against his own political compass.

But you hit on something else interesting, just now Lawrence. Which was
comments that comments in March after the house pulled their healthcare

One of the things that Donald Trump said in March is they were just going
to let healthcare fail and Democrats were going to come groveling to him –


JOLLY: To say, let`s work together. What did he do today walking towards
Marine One? He said, I`m going to have to work with Democrats.

He had his tail between his legs, he was the one groveling, saying now he
has to reach out to Democrats.

O`DONNELL: Yes, and Glenn, I want to get your reading of the Trump
reaction in the White House meaning the president`s personal reaction to
Luther Strange losing.

But first, I want to read this comment from Congressman Thomas Massie,
Republican who was elected with tea party support.

And he said this to the “Washington Examiner” about Republican voters in
explaining what happened in Alabama. He said, “after some soul searching,
I realized when they voted for Rand and Ron Paul and me in these primaries,
they weren`t voting for libertarian ideas, they were voting for the
craziest son of a bitch in the race, and Donald Trump won best in class.”

And Glenn, so that`s what they seem to have been voting for in Alabama and
nothing Donald Trump said could get them to go in any other direction.

ambushed me with the best quote of the year there, Lawrence –

O`DONNELL: I am so sorry, we should have given you this ahead of time.

THRUSH: Well, that is awesome. And I started my career covering Alabama
politics and I can verify –


THRUSH: From first person experience it is absolutely true. Look, and it
really is true. I mean, this is a really angry electorate.

And they hopscotch from issue to issue, you know? Weren`t we told –
correct me if I`m wrong, five, six, seven years ago that the sole focus of
this particular electorate was deficit reduction, remember that one?

And didn`t we today just essentially unveil a tax reform or tax-cut
proposal and you`re totally dead on by the way about the president just
completely blowing the line right out of the box today.


THRUSH: I mean, we`re talking about who – we don`t even know what the
estimate of how many trillions of dollars this will add ultimately to the
deficit, right?

So we`re dealing with a visceral feeling and the way that he is able to
redefine – this really is – I mean, apart from what the former
congressman said about the veracity of the president`s statement, the
chutzpah and the sort of political genius of declaring everything a victory
even if it`s a loss, you know, I just wonder if I can wind up saying that
my beloved New York Mets won the national league east this year.

O`DONNELL: You can in Trump world, apparently. And David, we`re also
getting this report of Trump behavior and attitude inside the White House.

“Axios” saying in private, “President Trump has taken to physically mocking

THRUSH: Sure –

O`DONNELL: Mitch McConnell and slumping his shoulders and mocking Senator
John McCain, imitating a thumbs down –

THRUSH: Sure –

O`DONNELL: Of this historic healthcare vote. And David, we know this is
not the way for a president to find his way to legislative success.

JOLLY: No, nor to build a majority on the votes he needs. Listen, you
talked about Massie`s quote. Roy Moore is likely the next senator from
Alabama, and he actually said in the past few weeks that he is not going to
let trans-gendered soldiers into your bathroom.

That is the next United States senator from Alabama that Donald Trump is
now supporting and the establishment is now behind.

I think what`s happened with Donald Trump, and listen, he ended up
supporting Luther Strange in the middle of this weird detente with Mitch

They were fighting, they weren`t, they were fighting, they weren`t. I
think McConnell and the establishment, Corker and others convinced Trump to
go in for Strange and he has never forgotten that, and now he`s lost.

What does Donald Trump have the hardest time doing? It`s losing. Now,
you`re seeing him delete tweets saying he was ever associated with Luther

I don`t think he`s going to let this one go with Mitch McConnell. It was
against his own moral compass, he is a Steve Bannon-type president.

Bannon knew Roy Moore was the Donald Trump candidate, the Donald Trump
candidate won last night, and I think at the end of the day, Donald Trump
is going to be happy with Roy Moore, unfortunately.

O`DONNELL: But what was the president or Mitch McConnell supposed to do
with a sitting senator from Alabama who`s running for re-election or
election since he was appointed?

He`s a vote on health care. What are they supposed to do? Campaign against
him while he`s a vote on health care?

I don`t see the choice they had. Glenn, I want to go to the Puerto Rico
situation, we have reports indicating that thanks to the president`s
obsession with watching cable news and seeing how much criticism that he
was getting on this program and elsewhere, that is what finally got him to
want to at least get out there publicly and say something about it and plan
a trip to Puerto Rico and try to – and actually pay some attention finally
to the issue.

THRUSH: Yes, look, he was getting hammered on this and, you know, you can
argue that sort of the most proactive he`s been in terms of planning were
for these disasters.

He really did seem to kick it into high gear with Texas and Florida and
then took his eye off the ball somewhat with Puerto Rico.

And I can tell you from my reporting yesterday, he took a lot of his own
people by surprise, by telling them that he was going to make this trip to
Puerto Rico.

But even in the way that he has articulated this, Lawrence, he – it was
really one of the strangest interactions yesterday during that two and two
with the president of – I`m sorry, the prime minister of Spain in which he
essentially talked less about the condition on the ground in Puerto Rico.

Less empathetic about what the horrible circumstances these folks are
dealing with, and more about the praise he claims was lavished upon him by
local officials for the competency of the response.

And you know, I think it just goes to show you how sensitive he is to that
sort of criticism and how acutely aware he is, particularly when you`re
dealing with a Spanish-speaking protectorate of the United States.

And I think he was told by people around him, particularly General Kelly,
his new chief of staff that he needed to really step up on this.

And I guess the question really is, how significant will the follow-through
be? You can already hear the president hedging his bets on this by saying
that the infrastructure of Puerto Rico is already degraded, that they`re in
a bad financial situation.

Again, it is not dissimilar to the way that he handled the Luther Strange
situation. He builds in the potential for defeat by claiming it was
someone else`s problem in the first place.

O`DONNELL: David, I want to get a quick response to you on this Jones Act
issue. The president –

JOLLY: Sure –

O`DONNELL: The president was asked if he would issue a waiver on the Jones
Act so that shippers who are not U.S. based could help deliver relief to
Puerto Rico and he said that he`d heard from shipping companies who were
opposed to it and so he wasn`t doing it and issue that kind of waver for
Texas, for Hurricane Harvey, also for Florida, for Irma. He`s issued two of
them in the n a row for two other hurricanes and won`t do it apparently for
Puerto Rico. By the way worth noting the AFL-CIO opposed to the wavers
because the sea farers union opposes allowing even in situations like this
foreign flagged vessels to help out.

DAVID JOLLY, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: listen, Lawrence. I`m a rare Republican
supporting the Jones Act. It is a relatively protectionist measure and
support a waver for national emergency and preservation of life which is
right now. give the captain of the port full discretion and full
flexibility to decide how to bring in ship-board aid, U.S. Ship or foreign
flagged vessel. The President`s gaffe today is remarkable, it was almost a
Brownie`s doing a great job moment when he said industry`s opposed. The
people of Puerto Rico are begging for a waver for the Jones Act. At the end
of the day, Donald Trump needs to get on the phone with governors tonight
and mobilize national guard units to go to Puerto Rico to preserve life.

O`DONNELL: And members of the AFL-CIO should be asking about why they
don`t support the waver. Glenn Flush, David Jolly thank you for joining us

JOLLY: Thank you Lawrence.

FLUSH: You got it.

O`DONNELL: Up next, the president could not help himself. he had to talk
about football again today.


O`DONNELL: Donald Trump famously failed at running a football business in
the 1980s. You remember the United States Football League, right? Well,
football business expert Donald Trump said this today.


disrespecting our national anthem, our flag, our country and that`s what
they`re doing and in my opinion the NFL has to change or you know what`s
going to happen? Their business is going to go to hell. And most
importantly, the fans agree with me. I mean largely, the fans agree.


O`DONNELL: Yeah, largely. The fans agree. A Reuters poll finds that most
Americans, of course, do not agree with the President. 57 percent say the
NFL should not fire players who kneel during the national anthem. Only 29
percent agree with the President. And joining us now, Colin Allred, a civil
rights attorney and a former line backer who is currently running for
Congress in Texas and also with us Jason Johnson, Politics Editor at the and MSNBC Contributor and Colin Allred, you reaction to what the
president had to say today and this week?

COLIN ALLRED, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Hey, Lawrence. Thanks for having me.
You know there`s many left but I played with some of the guys who chosen to
take a knee and they`re not S.O.B.S. they`re thoughtful guys, guys who have
done a lot of good work in the community and I think whether we agree with
their decision to kneel or not, we all should agree as Americans about
their right to do that.

I don`t think we want the President of the United States going around
picking what kind of speech is acceptable and not. And so, I`ve been
appalled by the comments and i think it`s just a pattern of divisiveness of
president trump.

O`DONNELL: The New York Times reports that the President`s advisers are
not particularly happy about this and they then – the Trump responded to
his advisers by telling people that it was a huge hit with his base, making
it clear that he did not mind alienating his critics if it meant
solidifying his core support. And Jason, this is a politician who simply
cannot do basic arithmetic. His core support is down in the 30 percent area
somewhere, somewhere in the middle of the 30s at a maximum and working to
hold on to them, doing anything to hold on to them. is a complete waste of
his time.

JASON JOHNSON, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: It`s a waste of his time. It`s a waste
of his time three years out from a re-election campaign. It`s a waste of
his time when he should be negotiating in the Senate. But, Lawrence,
here`s the other thing. it is an absolute repudiation of his two-year
campaign where he claimed that he was an American President who would care
about business. He is attacking the most popular sport in America and
turning it into a dividing line at a time when it`s should be providing
people with joy and money for vendors and everybody else like that.

If you look at the list of companies attacked, Macy`s, the New York Times,
Amazon, Apple. All those things tend do better after he attacks them. So
if he thinks he`ll rally the base, that`s fine and rallying people to watch
football in defiance of him.

O`DONNELL: And, Colin, the American Sports Entertainment Complex and
American Professional Sports has built giant TV networks in support of it,
ESPN and others, that is a massive business, a massive industry in which no
element of it can be sold off to another country. You can`t move those
National Football League jobs to China as Donald Trump is so fond of
telling people to be afraid of. Here is a domestic industry that is hugely
popular and as Jason says there`s the President attacking it.

ALLRED: yeah. I think it is hugely popular and popular because it does
have a potential to unite folks. We come together to watch sports. We enjoy
having kind of a common comradely while we`re watching our sports.

And I actually think that Trump could learn a lot from football players
because we believe in self discipline. We believe in team work. We believe
in putting the team above yourself and I think that I actually is kind of
an antithesis of football at the best and he could learn a lot from these

O`DONNELL: I think ten days ago if you said how many people will be
taking a knee at a NFL game and the coming weekend, it wouldn`t have been a
big number. Here`s Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote, it`s a shift in the sports
and entertainment industry`s role in political resistance to the Trump
Administration`s assault on American values and constitutional civil
liberties. And, Jason, no one saw this shift, this moment that Kareem
described so well there. Saw it coming. Donald Trump created this.

JOHNSON: Yeah. He created it and pushed people off the bench. if you told
me that a rich, old, racist man change the league, I would have said we
already had Donald Sterling. But no, Donald Trump has repeated the action
and made it a national issue for everybody to be involved in. And here`s
the thing. once people get involved in activism and they recognize the
actual change that is they can make, yes, you`re going to have the racist
attack Mike Calm and the Pittsburgh. That happens all the time anyway.
But your average every day player whose like wait a minute, I took a knee,
I stood for something and didn`t lose my job. I didn`t loose endorsements.
It`s going to make them more active in the future. And that`s exactly what
Donald Trump didn`t think was going to happen.

O`DONNELL: Colin Allred quickly before we go. Are voters talking to you
about this in your campaign for Congress in Texas?

ALLRED: no. they`re really not, Lawrence. I mean I think people have so
many other concerns right now. Especially down here in Texas with what we
had happen in Houston with the hurricane coming through. People are worried
about health care this week and worried of wage growth and education and
not top of mind for most folks.

O`DONNELL: Colin Allred and Jason Johnson, thank you both for joining us

JOHNSON: thanks, Lawrence

ALLRED: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, a Republican Senator on the Intelligence Committee
says Russian operatives are using the NFL controversy right now to stir up
trouble and passions online.


O`DONNELL: The Senate Intelligence Committee staff and the House
Intelligence Committee Staff will meet with representatives of Twitter in
two separate closed door meetings tomorrow. Tonight the New York Times
reports Twitter accounts with suspected ties to Russia are tweeting about
the President`s feud with NFL players with hash tags such as boycott NFL,
stand for our anthem and take a knee. The Times goes on to write there is
evidence that Twitter may have been used even more extensively than
Facebook in the Russian influence campaign last year. The platform was also
used for large-scale automated messaging using bot accounts to spread false
stories and promote news articles about e-mails from democratic operatives
that had been obtained by Russian hackers.

Today multiple sources told NBC News the Senate Intelligence Committee
invited senior officials from Facebook, Twitter and Google to publicly
testify before the committee on November 1st. Congressman Adam Schiff, top
Democrat, says he is looking forward to Facebook testifying in an open


ADAM SCHIFF, UNITED STATES CONGRESSMAN: I have concerns about how long it
took Facebook to realize the Russians were advertising on their platform,
as recently as July they didn`t think that was going on and most particular
interest is the question of whether the targeting of these advertisements
or the targeting of how they were pushing out negative news, organizing
rallies somehow coordinated with the campaign. I`d like to see, frankly, us
have the opportunity to display these ads for the public because you really
need to see them. I`m convinced to recognize how cynical an effort by the
Kremlin. As the Russians may do this again, exposing it to public light is
the best way to combat it.


O`DONNELL: Up next, what Mark Zuckerberg regrets saying about Russia`s use
of Facebook during the election campaign.


O`DONNELL: Today the founder of Facebook Mark Zuckerberg said this
statement. after the election I made a comment that I thought the idea of
misinformation on Facebook changed the outcome of the election was a crazy
idea. Calling that crazy was dismissive, and I regret it. This is too
important an issue to be dismissed. Joining us now Michael Isikoff, Chief
Investigative Correspondent for Yahoo News and Michael, it turns out it was
not a crazy idea.

wasn`t. And it took him a long time to figure this out or at least to come
clean on what happened it its network. But even today with all that they`ve
acknowledged and has come out about the way about Russian trolls were using
Facebook to influence American public opinion, we still haven`t seen the

Why hasn`t Facebook disclosed the ads that were run on its platform? When I
first pushed them on this a few weeks ago, when it first became clear that
foreign money had been used to pay, to buy these ads, Facebook said, well,
we can`t release them because we have our privacy policies, and we need to
protect users accounts. These were fake user accounts.

They were imposers put up by a Russian troll factory in St. Petersburg,
Russia. Whose privacy are they protecting here? Yet, well, they`ve turned
them over to Mueller presumably under subpoena. And by the way, their
policies say they won`t turn over any information about users unless they
get a subpoena. They`ve now because of pressure turned them over to
congress without a subpoena. So they`ve already breached their
confidentiality privacy policy. But they still haven`t made them public.
And until we see them and we see what they said and how – where they were
placed, you know, we won`t have the full picture of what happened.

O`DONNELL: Might all that become public through the congressional
investigations? They`re meeting with them privately with a staffer.

ISIKOFF: Well, we`ll see. And why are they meeting with them privately?
Why isn`t this public testimony? You know Schiff and Conway and the House
said they will have a public hearing. But I think you just reported the
Senate is going to meet behind closed doors with them tomorrow. And I
don`t understand why that`s behind closed doors, why this isn`t public
testimony. But that gets to the large question of why much of what`s been
going on in the intelligence community has been behind closed doors instead
of public.

O`DONNELL: What do Twitter and Facebook, what do they fear in terms of
just opening the books?

ISIKOFF: They don`t want to go down a slippery slope of disclosing
information to the government, to the public about their users and the way
they do business. and one can understand that perspective, but when you
have the kind of attack on our democratic system and the manipulation of
these social media platforms, you know, by the people conducting that
attack, I think, you know, some of the rules that they have tried to stand
by can be -

O`DONNELL: But each of them, Twitter and Facebook, have rules about their
users. And Twitter is prepared to kick you off if you say certain things on
twitter. And Facebook says you must disclose who you are. They don`t want
people to have fake accounts on Facebook.

ISIKOFF: But these were fake accounts. They were impostor accounts. They
acknowledged that. So, you know, it is a bit head scratching why they`ve
stuck to this refusal to publicly disclose. Now they say it`s the
government`s obligation to do so.

And you know they`re all legitimate questions about why are the
intelligence agencies or the FBI or the State Department or others weren`t
onto this earlier. We have, what, a $7 billion intelligence budget, and yet
nobody saw this coming? Nobody in the U.S. Government understood what the
Russians were doing and the way they were using our social media platforms
to influence American public opinion? You know, there are some hard and
tough questions for the intelligence community.

O`DONNELL: Yeah, and here they are tonight. The New York Times reporting
tonight that the Russians are out there trying to push the respect for the
American National Anthem. They`re in the NFL fight saying boycott the NFL,
respect the national anthem.

ISIKOFF: Yeah, and Vladimir Putin is standing up for the national anthem.
you know, that`s a head scratcher right there.

O`DONNELL: Michael Isikoff thank you very much for joining us, really
appreciate it. The last word is next.


O`DONNELL: And tonight`s last word goes to Stephen Colbert who had a few
things to say about former Judge Roy Moore, the Republican candidate for
Senate in Alabama.


STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: Moore`s long history of homophobia, he once
wrote in a custody decision homosexual behavior is grounds for divorce and
act of sexual misconduct punishable as a crime in Alabama a crime against
nature, an inherit evil and an act so heinous that it defies one`s own
ability to describe it. If you`re doing it right. It would be crazy. And
if all goes as planned he`ll be like what the hell just happened?


O`DONNELL: STEPHEN COLBERT gets the tonight`s last word. The 11th Hour
with Brian Williams is next.


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