The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 9/11/17 Florida begins recovery after Irma
Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL
Date: September 11, 2017
Guest: Peter Baker, Max Boot, Jed Shugerman, Kurt Andersen
LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Good evening Rachel. And
according to Steve Bannon in his interview with Charlie Rose, that kind of
thing you`re talking about like tell us when the Russian ambassador visits
You`re just saying that because you`re trying to get more enemies for
America. You`re just trying to – you`re trying to turn Russia –
MADDOW: You know me.
O`DONNELL: Into an enemy of America. I mean, his answer about – Charlie
asked that question about why doesn`t the president ever say anything about
I mean, the answer being, oh, we don`t want to create another enemy.
MADDOW: We don`t want to – you know what? If he keeps saying nice things
about Russia, eventually, we`ll be able to invest in our inner cities.
O`DONNELL: Yes – oh, yes –
MADDOW: That`s why he –
O`DONNELL: Oh, yes –
MADDOW: Brought the chain of logic.
O`DONNELL: Yes, because we will so reduce defense spending and all of that
stuff that we do because we`re nervous about Russia that we will rebuild
Detroit. That`s the Bannon theory.
MADDOW: Yes, exactly. Every time Trump says something nice about Putin,
you know, a vacant lot gets filled in –
O`DONNELL: Yes –
MADDOW: In Newark.
O`DONNELL: Yes –
MADDOW: Yes, that`s right –
O`DONNELL: We`ve got the pictures of those vacant lots in there, there`s
still vacant –
MADDOW: Yes –
O`DONNELL: But we just have to be patient.
MADDOW: Thank you, Lawrence.
O`DONNELL: Thanks, Rachel. Well, Hurricane Irma is now tropical storm
Irma. After moving through Florida with its high winds and heavy rain this
weekend, one person was killed in Florida and one in Georgia.
At least 36 other people in the path of Irma were killed, most of them in
Cuba where 10 people were reported killed.
The other deaths were on the other islands in Irma`s path. And the most
damage done to this country was actually done in the United States Virgin
That`s Florida you are seeing there, but the damage done in St. Thomas and
St. John is much more severe than anything we`ve seen here in the mainland,
and we will surely be hearing more about that as the week goes on.
Officials in Florida are still assessing the damage and will be assessing
the damage for a long time.
Part of the Florida keys appeared devastated, storm surge left massive
flooding in Jacksonville, Florida, where flooding there set new records
after the St. Johns river overflowed.
Tonight, more than 8 million people in the southeast are without power and
6.5 million of those people are in Florida.
Tonight, Florida Governor Rick Scott tweeted “more than 30,000 restoration
personnel have been activated to help restore power as quickly as possible
following the storm`s impact.
It`s not yet clear when people in Florida will be able to return to their
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TOM BOSSERT, HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISER: Now, though, the message is not to
rush re-entry. There are still dangerous conditions, down electric lines,
flood conditions, problems that would be compounded by your re-entry.
And so listen to your local officials not only about evacuation, but then
about when and how to stagger your re-entry for a reason.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Irma is currently in Georgia heading to Alabama tomorrow. Its
winds have weakened to 45 miles per hour.
The effects of Irma are being felt as far north as Charleston, South
Carolina where water flooded the historic downtown area.
The National Hurricane Center predicts Irma will become a tropical
depression by tomorrow. Joining us now from Jacksonville, Florida, Nbc
News correspondent Catie Beck.
Catie, what`s the situation there tonight?
CATIE BECK, NBC NEWS: Good evening, Lawrence. Yes, we are in a low-lying
community that is right next to the St. John`s River in Jacksonville.
And as you can see, we`re walking in what is the storm surge that`s taken
over so many neighborhoods here, especially the ones along the river front.
This neighborhood just a few hours ago, water levels were significantly
higher. At this point, the tide is headed out, so a lot of this water is
actually making its way back to the river.
Around 2:00 a.m. this morning, that is expected to change. These waters
are expected to come back into these areas and that is really going to be
the balance, the struggle over the next couple of days is you make some
progress, but as this tide goes in and out, so do the water levels.
So you can return to your home, but it could be at your own risk because
you really can`t predict how high these waters are going to be as they come
in and out.
Now, the mayor of Jacksonville said it could be a week or more before
everything is restored back to normal levels in terms of the water here.
But Jacksonville was sort of in the perfect storm if you will of rain and
obviously the river front and that surge just sort of all factors
converging here and a lot of the downtown, a lot of the neighborhoods look
I mean, we are literally, you know, a stone`s throw from i-95 right in the
center of downtown Jacksonville.
The financial district looks very similar to this. But right now, as I
said, the tide has gone out. These water levels are significantly down
from where they were, but come tomorrow morning, come daylight, it will
look much more flooded as it was here today. Lawrence?
O`DONNELL: Catie Beck, thank you very much for joining us tonight,
appreciate that. We`re joined now from Coconut Grove, Florida, by Nbc News
correspondent Maya Rodriguez. Maya, what`s the situation where you are
MAYA RODRIGUEZ, NBC NEWS: Well, Lawrence, I can tell you that Miami-Dade
County is a dark county tonight. About 960,000 homes here lost power.
Now, Florida Power and Light which supplies electricity here says about
150,000 of those homes have been restored, that still means you have quite
a number of people here that are in the dark.
The county also say that about 60 percent of the traffic lights in the
county are out. Now, at the major intersections they have people there
They have police officers, community relations officers out there kind of
directing traffic through these major intersections.
But at the majority of them which, of course, are much smaller, you`re
supposed to make a four-way stop and a lot of people just are not doing
that at this point.
Now I want to explain where we are right now. Like you mentioned, we are
in Coconut Grove and we`re at one of the marinas here.
Take a look at this behind me. I mean, these boats were pushed into this
area. This is a clump of trees here that sort of lines the bank.
These are the boats of a nonprofit here. It`s called shake a leg. They
basically take people who have disabilities out on the water.
They`ve been around since before Hurricane Andrew, more than 25 years. A
dozen of their boats have now been destroyed.
These are boats that they were actually planning to use this weekend. They
were going to take high school seniors out with some of these particular
students who had these special needs out on the water.
Of course, that is not going to be happening. They say they`re in a major
rebuilding process at this point because Irma has hit them hard.
Like so many other people here in this community. We`re not just talking
about boats, but about people`s homes.
There are so many trees down on the streets here blocking some of the
roadways, some of them have landed on homes.
That part of the recovery, the clean-up is just beginning here and, of
course, with no electricity, it can only happen during the daylight hours
and frankly, it`s Summer here in Miami, it is hot and it is going to be
uncomfortable here for the foreseeable future. Lawrence?
O`DONNELL: Maya Rodriguez, thank you for joining us tonight, really
Joining us now, Msnbc`s Chris Hayes, Chris is in Naples, Florida, tonight.
Chris, you are basically where the area that took a direct hit. What`s the
situation there now?
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC: You know, it`s really interesting. Naples was spared
a little bit because that storm first made landfall in Marco Island and the
most crucial thing is that that storm surge which is feared to be about 15
feet peaked out at about 6 feet.
I am right now about three quarters of a mile from the beach – I was
talking to some residents here, still the water came up to their knees here
almost a mile from the beach.
If that had been 16 feet like they said, this entire area would have been
flooded out and we would be looking at massive devastation and probably a
lot more death, frankly.
So everyone in Naples got really lucky, that was always the biggest
concern. Still driving around today, you see tons of flooding and you see
tons of trees down, but by and large, Naples escaped the worst of it.
O`DONNELL: And then you seeing much electricity there?
HAYES: You know, so, this is really sort of crucial I think to
understanding the aftermath of disaster, and it goes for Florida right now
and it goes for disasters more broadly.
You know, that first moment when the hurricanes passing and people need to
be sheltered or when the rains or the flood come, people focus on that and
you survive that.
And for the folks that do survive that, a lot of times the worst part of
the disaster comes after. And right now, in Southwest Florida, there`s no
power for hardly anyone.
Some lights actually just came on within the last hour. It looks like it`s
the line that goes to the hospital which got knocked out last night.
So power is really scarce and fuel is incredibly scarce and gas stations
need power to run the pumps. And what that means as days go by is that
people with different resources, different amounts of money, frankly, are
going to have very different options in terms of how they can negotiate
what this next period is.
If it`s two or three days without power, that`s one thing, if it`s two or
three weeks without power, that is a whole other story for the folks down
O`DONNELL: And is there a way for someone down there now to have a sense
of when help will arrive?
HAYES: There really isn`t. I mean, you know, we saw Florida Power and
Light, FPL folks out here earlier today, taking note they did get one line
up which is impressive and the people that we talked to in the building
that got it up were extremely ecstatic as you might expect they are.
But you know, this is a massive grid that sustained the tremendous amount
of damage both in power lines and also I imagine sub-stations because of
the pulsing of the power that was happening and the expectation.
I talked to a county commissioner earlier today, and I could tell she
wouldn`t give me a benchmark in terms of time for how long she thought it
But she clearly was thinking I think in terms of weeks. That`s a real
possibility for a lot of people here and that is going to cause tremendous
hardship for folks.
I mean, now in some ways is really a tough period for people as they try to
get their lives together but without access to gas, without access to
electricity, with elderly relatives that they`re caring for which is the
case for many people down here, it`s going to be very hard to get back into
routine unless all that stuff comes back.
O`DONNELL: Yes, when you look back at Katrina, there were people who left
New Orleans thousands and thousands and thousands of people, a lot of them
ended up in Houston and the kids just enrolled in school there because they
knew they weren`t getting back even during that school year.
This is probably, surely in most areas going to be a faster recovery than
that. But people have to think about that as the school year begins. What
do we do?
HAYES: Yes, and that`s going to – a lot of that is going to turn on
power. I mean, you know, it`s an obvious point and anyone who`s ever been
through a power outage knows this.
But the hours you go without power and gas, particularly when those two
things are combined, the sort of moorings of modern life start to slip away
and you start having to make all sorts of calculations.
That`s for employment, that`s for our schools are going to be able to run,
can you go visit the doctor, can you get dialysis?
We talked to a family today at the Germain arena. Their car was flooded
out in that parking lot. They went to the shelter, they were there with
And she who doesn`t have a car, she was calling the insurance company, but
good luck getting through in the wake of a disaster like this.
You know, she`s now – doesn`t have wheels and she probably is going home
to a home without power. That`s really putting people in a tough spot and
it`s – can`t say it enough.
The lower down you are on the socio-economic scale, the less access you
have to money and resources, the more tenuous your employment situation is
the harder that`s going to hit you.
O`DONNELL: Chris Hayes, thank you very much for joining us tonight from
Naples, Florida, really appreciate it, Chris, thank you.
HAYES: You bet, my pleasure.
O`DONNELL: Coming up, some of the president`s lawyers were so worried
about Jared Kushner`s contacts with Russians that they advised the
president to get Jared Kushner out of the White House, to fire him.
That`s tonight`s breaking news story and we`re going to discuss that next.
And later, Steve Bannon says you can call him an anti-Semite, you can call
him a racist.
You know, the only people I`ve ever heard say something like that are anti-
Semites and racists.
O`DONNELL: Tonight`s breaking Washington news comes from the “Wall Street
Journal” which reports that some of the president`s lawyers have advised
him that Jared Kushner should leave the White House and that those lawyers
believed earlier this Summer that the president was going to take their
advice and get rid of Jared Kushner.
So they actually wrote a statement explaining Jared Kushner`s departure
from the White House, a statement that was obviously never used.
The “Wall Street Journal” reports some of President Donald Trump`s lawyers
earlier this Summer concluded that Jared Kushner should step down as senior
White House adviser because of possible legal complications related to a
probe of Russia`s involvement in the 2016 presidential election.
And aired concerns about him to the president and listen to this sourcing,
“people familiar with the matter said after some members of the legal team
aired their concerns to Mr. Trump in June including at least one meeting in
the White House, press aides to the legal team began to prepare for the
possibility that Mr. Kushner would step down.”
Drafting a statement explaining his departure and, again, listen to the
sourcing, said “people familiar with the matter.”
Some of Mr. Trump`s attorneys worried that Mr. Kushner`s continued
employment carried risks that could possibly involve other White House
officials, a person familiar with the matter said.
If, for example, Mr. Kushner mentioned the probe even casually in a
meeting, aides who heard his remarks could face inquiries from Mr.
Some lawyers were also concerned that Mr. Kushner might discuss the probe
with the president without a lawyer present.
The journal reports tonight that the president`s lawyers were aware of
meetings that Jared Kushner had with Russians that had not yet been become
public, in particular the meeting in June of last year at Trump Tower that
was arranged by Donald Trump Jr.
The journal reports tonight, “anticipating that the meeting would become
public, members of the legal team in June already had developed talking
points to manage the political fallout including a statement that would
explain a potential Kushner resignation.
The statement on behalf of Mr. Kushner expressed regret that the political
environment have become so toxic that what he viewed as a standard meeting
was becoming a weapon for Mr. Trump`s critics according to two people
familiar with the documents.
Obviously, those talking points were never used or should we say have not
been used yet. Joining us now, Jed Shugerman; professor of law at Fordham
Also with us Max Boots; senior fellow for national security studies at the
Council on Foreign Relations and a former foreign policy adviser for McCain
2008, Romney 2012, then Rubio 2016 and Peter Baker is the chief White House
correspondent for the “New York Times” and an Msnbc political analyst.
Professor Shugerman, to this legal issue of advising the president that it
is unwise to have Jared Kushner in the White House because he could be in
conversations with White House staff that then would be of interest to the
special prosecutor, what`s your reading of that?
JED SHUGERMAN, PROFESSOR OF LAW, FORDHAM UNIVERSITY: Well, it`s important
to look at the timeline. It was actually Nbc News that had this headline.
Was Kushner seeking a Russian bailout for a Manhattan building? Congress
will ask and that was immediately before – Kushner`s testimony before
So what was that Manhattan building? This all centers on 666 Fifth Avenue,
a disastrous real estate purchase, the biggest real estate purchase in
Manhattan history for $1.8 billion.
Somehow, Jared Kushner put down only $15 million on a $1.8 billion purchase
and it has been a disaster, he bought it at the top of the market in 2007
and it has been a burden on the family ever since.
And the question is, could they get a bailout from Qatar? They couldn`t –
that fell apart, then they tried to get a bailout from China.
Then the next step in December, this all stems back to that secret line
that Kushner tried to spearhead between the Russian embassy and the
And that secret line is – there`s some conjecture that that was part of a
meeting to set up a Russian bailout from VE Bank that was part of, you know
– I`ll scratch your back, you scratch mine, a billion dollars in sanctions
being lifted for several million dollars of bailout.
That`s at least the conjecture.
O`DONNELL: And Peter Baker, this is the – not just the leakiest White
House in history. This is the leakiest legal team in history because all
the sourcing on this points to at some level the Trump legal team outside
of the White House representing him in the investigation.
The sourcing on this is all people familiar with the Trump lawyers and the
Trump press, the lawyers press people and what they were preparing for
And here is the president being represented now by an incredible leaky
PETER BAKER, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK TIMES: Well, that`s
right. Look, you know, that legal team by itself has been tribal much like
O`DONNELL: Yes –
BAKER: President Trump`s own political team. You know, it has its own
rival reason internally. It was – it took a while to sort of shook out to
the point where today at least being led inside by Ty Cobb and outside by
That was not the case in June, now you know, there was this turmoil, the
team was sort of sidelined and so on and so forth.
No question that the previous legal team, the one that`s now basically
sidelined, had his problem with Jared Kushner.
They were frustrated by him because he was in fact talking to the
president, their client, outside of their presence on the issue of the
They felt that undercut everybody and that it was not the smart way to do
business. That came to a head and I think that`s one of the reasons why
they`re no longer the main part of the legal team.
O`DONNELL: And we have a statement from one of President Trump`s lawyers
Ty Cobb apparently; the president`s special counsel.
So he is actually in the White House payroll, he is not –
BAKER: Right –
O`DONNELL: One of the – he is not one of the lawyers that this article is
actually talking about, so he may not have the vaguest idea what he`s
talking about when he says “the “Wall Street Journal” is completely false.
The “Wall Street Journal” source completely false, Jared Kushner is one of
the president`s most trusted and able and intelligent advisors.
He has performed” – OK, a kind of a meaningless statement that has only –
the only relevant line being it`s completely false.
And Max Boot, that`s from someone who is not in a position to know it`s
Mark Corallo was the spokesperson for the legal team, which in and of
itself is an unusual position to even exist for a group of lawyers to have
– here`s our press spokesman in the world of attorney-client privilege
where we`re not supposed to say anything.
He quit, he resigned sometime ago. People like that are out there, people
like that are reachable possibly for stories like this.
MAX BOOT, SENIOR FELLOW, NATIONAL SECURITY STUDIES, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN
RELATIONS: Well, there`s no question that this revolving door at the White
House makes it difficult to keep people`s loyalty and to keep these secrets
out of public view.
I mean, there are so many questions that are raised by this story. You
just raised some of them about why this was leaked and by whom.
The – even more fundamental question I have is, why was Jared Kushner, you
know, hired in the first place? I mean, I guess –
O`DONNELL: Oh, that –
BOOT: It`s kind of – I mean, I guess it`s sort of obvious why he was
hired by –
O`DONNELL: Haven`t you seen his resume?
BOOT: It`s a glittering resume with a 36-year-old guy with no success in
business, his biggest claim to fame is buying and destroying the “New York
Observer”, and all of a sudden, he is one of the most powerful aides in the
I mean, let`s be clear here. I mean, does anybody think remotely there`s
any chance that if he hadn`t been the president`s son-in-law he wouldn`t
have been hired?
Or that if he hadn`t been the president`s son-in-law, he wouldn`t have been
fired as quickly as Mike Flynn or the mooch or the other people who have
walked in and out of this White House?
I mean, this is a reminder to me of why Congress in its wisdom in 1967
passed an anti-nepotism law.
It is not a good idea to have close relatives on the payroll that you
cannot get rid of no matter how incompetent or compromised they may be.
And on the evidence, I would say Jared Kushner is both incompetent and
compromised. He is somebody who in any other White House would never have
gotten a security clearance in the first place, and certainly would never
have kept it up until now.
I mean, it is a scandal that this guy is still at the very center of White
House decision-making. This – I mean, even leaving aside, you know, the
legal liability involved, this is just a national security risk and it`s
just an embarrassment.
O`DONNELL: And Professor Shugerman, an example of what the Trump lawyers
would be nervous about is Jared Kushner according to our reports which have
not been disputed, advised the president to fire James Comey.
This is the guy who was one of the last people speaking to him before he
decides to fire the FBI director, believing that that would somehow help
him in this investigation.
And by all accounts, it`s only made things worse. So if you`re Trump`s
lawyer and you know there`s a guy in there who is saying to your client,
hey, fire the FBI director, you know this person is harming your client
from your perspective.
SHUGERMAN: Absolutely. I mean, I think what we learned with that letter
that was being drafted by Steven Miller, the revelation of about a week ago
that Steven Miller and Trump drafted a letter and then read it.
It was Mike Pence and Jared Kushner –
O`DONNELL: About the firing of – yes –
SHUGERMAN: The letter to – that was the real reason they were firing –
O`DONNELL: Yes –
SHUGERMAN: That allegedly that it was about the Russian probe and then
Kushner behind the scenes was advising this firing.
He is the arguments that a prosecutor might be looking at are to look for
evidence of conspiracy to obstruct justice, aiding and abetting obstruction
of justice and you are in my new favorite word misprision of a felony.
O`DONNELL: Yes, exactly –
SHUGERMAN: Right –
O`DONNELL: Right, we`re going to take a break here. Coming up, Steve
Bannon says the biggest mistake in modern political history was made by
none other than Donald Trump.
And guess who advised him to do it? Steve Bannon`s arch enemy Jared
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STEVE BANNON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF STRATEGIST: They can call me an
anti-Semite, they can call me a racist, they can call me names, they can
call me anything you want, OK?
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O`DONNELL: Well, OK, I`m glad we got that settled. Charlie Rose`s
interview with Steve Bannon on “60 Minutes” last night was extraordinary.
Charlie Rose did his usual excellent job as an interviewer, but what made
the interview extraordinary was the sheer madness spotted by Steve Bannon
who for seven months, Donald Trump actually thought was worthy of being
employed in the White House at your expense, as taxpayer expense.
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CHARLIE ROSE, JOURNALIST: We`re all immigrants. America was built on the
native Americans who were here –
BANNON: Don`t give me – this is the thing of the leftist –
ROSE: Sorry –
BANNON: Charlie, that`s beneath you. America is built on our citizens.
Look at the 19th century, what built America is called the American system.
From Hamilton to Polk to Henry Clay to Lincoln to the Roosevelts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: That was – that was the beginning of Bannon`s rant about how
the United States was not built by immigrants.
That it was built by what he called our citizens and the very first citizen
he mentions is Alexander Hamilton who was, of course, an immigrant from the
island of St. Croix.
The most important overall point about the Bannon interview is how he is
wrong about everything and inconsistent and I mean, inconsistent with Steve
Bannon himself in the actual interview itself.
Watch Steve Bannon absolutely refuse to name names, he`s not that kind of
guy, he`s not going to name names.
And then watch how easy it is for Charlie Rose to get him to name names.
Here are some of the people who Steve Bannon thinks are idiots compared to
Steve Bannon the genius.
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STEPHEN BANNON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF STRATEGIST: I don`t want to name
CHARLIE ROSE, TALK SHOW HOST: You have to name names. You`re painting with
a broad brush.
BANNON: Condy Rice, the George W. Bush, the entire National Security
ROSE: Collin Powell, Condy Rice?
BANNON: Absolutely, all of it.
ROSE: Dick Cheney, all of it?
BANNON: All of it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: I don`t want to name names. Just to remind you that was the
first line you heard in that dialect. Steve Bannon professed undying
personal loyalty to Donald Trump and condemned anyone whose loyalty to
Trump has ever wavered. He promised the protect Trump forever.
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BANNON: I`m going to be his wingman outside for the entire time. To
ROSE: So you`ll not be attacking Donald Trump?
BANNON: I can`t – no. our purpose is to support Donald Trump. by the
ROSE: And destroy his enemies
BANNON: To make sure his enemies know that there`s no free shot on goal.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: And then Steve Bannon took a free shot on goal. I mean on
Donald Trump. He said Donald Trump made the biggest mistake in modern
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ROSE: Someone said to me that you described the firing of James Comey.
You`re a student of history as the biggest mistake in political history.
BANNON: That would be probably – probably be too bombastic for me but
maybe modern political history.
ROSE: The firing was the biggest mistake in modern political history?
BANNON: if you`re saying that`s associated with me, I`ll leave it at that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Back with us, Peter Baker, Jed Shugerman and Max Boot. And
Peter this might be one of the best pictures delivered of why the Trump
Whitehouse is the incoherent mess it appears to be.
PETER BAKER, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well, look. You know, there`s no question
that the firing of James Comey added to the president`s troubles. I think
anybody in Washington with experience would have told him that. you –
there`s a reason Presidents don`t fire the people investigating their
teams, because in fact, of course, it raises the question seemingly being
investigated by Robert Mueller. Whether that constitutes obstruction of
justice, Steve Bannon said in the interview, he didn`t think there was a
Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller investigation of the Whitehouse.
Clearly as a matter of politics, if nothing else, it`s created more
problems than it solved. It does raise the question how did that happen?
Who did advise him to do it?
Why did the President ignore the advice of those that said don`t do it?
Does he regret that decision?
O`DONNELL: And Max, the notion that there`s not going to be a Special
Prosecutor is something we don`t know because we don`t know what Donald
Trump could have come up with beyond just firing Comey and whether Rod
Rosenstein as the evidence emerged at a certain point said wait OK, this is
enough. We have to have a special prosecutor here so we don`t know that.
If Bannon wants to claim – I`m one of the people that advised him against
it – fine.
That would be if you looked at the interview the only rational position he
took in the entire interview. That`s what seems to be lost about the
interview, It`s utter madness from start to finish.
MAX BOOT, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well it tells you something that on this
matter at any rate of firing Director Comey Steve Bannon was the voice of
reason in the Whitehouse.
BOOT: That tells you how crazy this whitehouse has become. And I mean, he
is right. a horrible decision. And I mean you`re right too that it doesn`t
necessarily mean there`s not going to be an independent counsel absent the
firing of Comey and should have been before that. You said that. I said
Others said that. But as a practical, political matter, Bannon has a point.
This is what turned the temperature up and forced Rosenstein to do it and
people who might be reluctant to go ahead and support this. there`s no
question it backfired badly because this is kind of typical of Trump`s M.O.
which is to do the first thing to think of like a petulant little child and
in this case the consequences are pretty serious because he has Robert
Mueller, this incorruptible former FBI Director, digging around in the
financial transactions and dealings with Russia and I very much doubt that
the record is – will stand up to that kind of scrutiny but as, you know,
as Bannon said and he is right, Trump has nobody to blame except for
himself with the fine mess that he`s gotten himself into.
O`DONNELL: Well Bannon is trying to give Jared Kushner some of that blame.
And Jed Shugerman, people forget that prior to the firing of James Comey,
the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was saying, if you don`t appoint a
Special Prosecutor we`ll roadblock every single thing you`re trying to do
here, So Donald Trump`s new favorite partner in the Senate Chuck Schumer
would not have allowed an increase in the debt ceiling, would not have
allowed an extension of the budget, would have allowed nothing if he wasn`t
getting a special prosecutor. We were on the verge of politically speaking
of the special prosecutor before comey was fired.
JED SHUGERMAN, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: I think that`s probably right. I think
there`s a lot of investigations. imagine if Comey still in power in the
FBI, the FBI was actively working on a lot of these threads, right? So
their investigation was leading in these directions and they would have
O`DONNELL: Within the protocol to the Justice Department, would it be
proper for the FBI Director to say to Rod Rosenstein, I think we need a
special prosecutor here?
SHUGERMAN: That would be part of the – I think that`s advice within the
scope of the FBI Director could say. one more – one point on Bannon, you
know, I think in the voice of reason, may have been a political
prognosticator if he was saying that this error firing Comey was worse
than Nixon decision to audio tape everything in the Oval Office. He may
have predicting a similar if not a greater conclusion.
O`DONNELL: Peter, there`s reports out that Steve Bannon has a hit list
out. He was trying to play real tough guy with Charlie Rose in the
interview saying he`s now – indicating he may be going after some
republicans in senate primaries and congressional primaries.
BAKER: Well, that`s exactly right and that`s exactly why Republicans are
so worried about. This is a President who while obviously a Republican has
not been sort of part and parcel of this party in a way that makes people
feel loyalty toward him. He demands loyalty and doesn`t seem to give it,
that`s the way people in the hill believe it.
They saw that last week. And I think that this idea of going after
Republicans who are insufficiently supportive of the President then bears
very ominously for the party heading into next year`s midterm election.
Already facing a political environment in which they could be on the
defensive. Imagine then if some of these incumbents are facing sort of fire
from both sides. So, we`ll see how – you know, whether they follow through
on that. There`s a lot of bluster to use his own word, bombastic I guess he
said. But you can imagine the way people who are in office right now,
Republicans, are looking at that.
O`DONNELL: Max, obviously, the Democrats are cheering Steve Bannon on,
please do as much as you can to attack republicans in primaries and the
record is kind of weak. last year, 2016, the Steve Bannon primary
candidate, the attacker against Paul Ryan – Paul Nehlen. He got 15
percent of the vote against Paul Ryan`s 84 percent of the vote. So Paul
Ryan is telling the troops when Bannon comes after you, he might be able do
get 15 percent against you.
BOOT: I mean, there`s not much evidence to suggest that Steve Bannon is
some kind of closet genius as he seems to imagine himself to be. I mean
he`s a guy who hitched a ride on the Trump campaign in the closing stages
and for whatever crazy reason you know Trump managed to win and so Bannon
anointed himself as the savior of American politics, But as you say the
track record in politics is very limited and very spotty. And the ideas
I mean he`s a guy whose read a few books and the scary thing here is that
he`s still has Trump`s ear. I mean remember that he is still somebody that
Trump is talking to even though he is out of the Whitehouse. So he will
continue exerting his loopy influence.
O`DONNELL: Peter Baker, Max Boot, Jed Shugarman, thank you all for
joining us tonight, really appreciate it.
Coming up, President Trump`s – what President Trump had to say today about
9/11 and what he has said in the past about 9/11.
O`DONNELL: This morning the President participated in a 9/11 memorial
ceremony at the Pentagon where 16 years ago today American Airlines flight
number 77 crashed into the west side of the building.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: TO the family members with
us today, I know that it`s with a pained and heavy heart that you come back
to this place. But by doing so, by choosing to persevere through the
grief, the sorrow, you honor your heroes.
You renew our courage and you strengthen all of us. You really do. You
strengthen all of us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Here`s what candidate Donald Trump said about 9/11 when he was
not reading a teleprompter last year.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Excuse me. I lost hundreds of friends. The World Trade Center came
down during the – kept us safe? That`s not safe.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: I immediately pointed out that night that Donald Trump was
lying about losing hundreds of friends. He did not lose hundreds of friends
on 9/11. The next day on Meet the Press Donald Trump said this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I was there. I lost many, many friends in that tragedy. That was
the worst tragedy in the history of the country, worse than Pearl Harbor.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: I immediately I pointed out that was a lie, too. He did not
lose many, many friends. But it was hard to get anyone else in the media
interested in that because obviously Trump lies were coming fast and
furious every day, every hour and hard to keep up with. No politician had
ever lied about losing about hundreds of friends on 9/11 or many, many
friends. No politician had ever been caught trying to steal the grief of
9/11 families and make it his own. Donald Trump lost no friends on 9/11.
Donald Trump did not attend a single 9/11 funeral, not one. Donald Trump
did not participate in a single 9/11 commemoration until he was running for
President. No presidential candidate other than Donald Trump has ever lied
about 9/11 that way. He`s the only one who lied about seeing thousands of
Muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11.
This was Donald Trump`s first September, today was his first September 11th
as President, and so, today the President of the United States spoke
directly to familiar members of 9/11 victims about, the grief, the sorrow.
But he still has not apologized to them for trying to steal their grief and
their sorrow and use it as his own political sledgehammer in a republican
presidential debate as you just saw him do. Joining us now to discuss the
first September 11th of the Trump presidency, Kurt Andersen.
He`s the author of the new book “Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire”.
He`s the host of a public radio program, studio 360. This is also the book
that tells us how we ended up with a President Donald Trump. And we have
to apologize to viewers. I - I - I urged you to buy this book last week to
the point where it got sold out off Amazon. But –
KURT ANDERSEN, AMERICAN AUTHOR: Back in stock.
O`DONNELL: – but they`re back in stock. OK. And it is all there. Your
reflections on this first President Trump on 9/11?
ANDERSEN: Well, I have several reflections. One, I remember on September
11th, 2001, one of the first things he said was that because the World
Trade Towers were knocked down he now owned the tallest tower in Manhattan
at 40 Wall Street which was not only grotesque but not true.
O`DONNELL: We actually have that here. Let`s listen to that.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: 40 Wall Street. Actually was the second tallest building in
downtown Manhattan and it was actually before the World Trade Center was
the tallest and then when they built the world trade center, known as the
second tallest and now it is the tallest.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: So as ugly as it was, it is also a lie.
ANDERSEN: It`s also a lie. So you were talking about lies and - and of
course the thousands and thousands of Muslims in New Jersey that he claimed
to have seen cheering which might be a lie, might be a delusion, who knows
with him? What really I find troubling about his use of 9/11 was during the
campaign, the beginning of 2016, when he said, he said at least one
campaign rally, when I become president, you`ll find out – you my
followers and supporters and voters, you`ll find out who really knocked
down the World Trade Center.
Which is his way of course, of embracing the untrue 9/11 inside job truther
conspiracy theory that has still has many believers in the United States.
And of course, he has been this promiscuous purveyor of conspiracy
theories. Even inconsistent ones like, for or for instance OK it is an
inside job, that`s what he`s effectively saying with the statement but then
the Muslims were cheering. Wait.
But aren`t you saying the Bushes knocked it down or something? So, again,
that`s one of the ways in which he`s the king of fantasyland. He is – he
is compulsive in telling whatever untruth for whatever set of reasons
between lying and delusion that feels good at the moment. And that is
O`DONNELL: It also feels like that him saying I`ll tell you - we`ll find
out who really was behind 9/11 is his way of saying there`s a big, dark,
O`DONNELL: Deep state as they now call it.
O`DONNELL: And they`re out to get me - they`re out to get all of us.
ANDERSEN: Correct. And, that kind of statement was appealing, is appealing
to people. People –
O`DONNELL: To some people.
ANDERSEN: To many people. To way, way too many Americans these days, as I
describe in the book.
O`DONNELL: Enough to make the winning margin in the Electoral College
ANDERSEN: Well even though he probably - he of course would have won – he
did win the popular if you don`t count the illegals who voted. But - but
again it –
O`DONNELL: You - you - on cable news I`m afraid you have to label -
ANDERSEN: That`s irony?
ANDERSEN: OK. OK.
O`DONNELL: You don`t do that.
ANDERSEN: OK, sorry.
O`DONNELL: So in other words in Trump`s fantasy, he won the popular vote.
ANDERSEN: In Trump`s fantasy he won the popular vote. And - and - and
again while he is - we walk in to - my book as the embodiment of everything
I`m talking about, he`s actually asked at one point right after he became
president by the ABC News world news tonight anchor, but don`t you think
it`s a terrible thing for our civic stability and republic that you`re
saying that millions and millions of illegals voted?
And he said, no. No. Many, many people agree with me about that.
O`DONNELL: Yes, yes.
ANDERSEN: That – that it`s not about the factual accuracy of his fantasy,
of his wishful lies. It`s, no, people agree with me. Reality is majority
O`DONNELL: We have to leave it there. You taught me something again
tonight I did not know. And talk about trying to keep up with the Trump
lies during the campaign. I actually don`t remember him saying that he
would find out who was really behind 9/11 when he became president. And
thank you for reminding me of that grotesque.
ANDERSEN: My pleasure.
O`DONNELL: Kurt Andersen, thank you very much for joining us. Coming up,
the stunning video damage of what`s happened in the part of America, the
part of the United States, part of this country, that is not being well
covered in this hurricane and that is the United States Virgin Islands.
O`DONNELL: Hurricane Irma did the most damage to this country in a place
that most people – many people may not realize is part of the United
States of America. 1,100 miles southeast of Florida in the Caribbean, the
U.S. Virgin islands of St. Thomas and St. John were the hardest hit part of
the United States of America that were hit by this hurricane. NBC`s Ron
Mott reports from San Juan.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RON MOTT, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: The usual lush green U.S. Virgin islands
are a lifeless dull brown tonight paradise torn apart by Irma. Many homes
damaged or destroyed and looting and burglaries reported for the American
Service members arriving to help clean up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s still a mess. Home invasions have been high.
Armed robbery, that`s a big concern, lots of people are walking around
MOTT: Brittany Gonzalez who evacuated to Mississippi worried about her
husband still there.
BRITTANY GONZALEZ, U.S. VIRGIN ISLAND CITIZEN: It`s not going to be the
same St. John and we don`t know if it can even be our home again.
MOTT: Further south on St. Martin the hurricane have said to have
destroyed more than 90 percent of the island. American medical student
[0:04:55] shot this video of the damage where he lives, cars tossed around
the parking lot finally able to leave on an American military plane.
Tonight he`s in Puerto Rico.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were plenty of times you know that night and also
throughout the week where I really wondered, geez, you know what`s – how
is this going to end.
MOTT: Now cruise ships are arriving to take others out. On Barbuda, nearl
100 percent destroyed, tour operator Craig Ryan ferrying people off the
island. Families on nearby Antigua taking strangers into their homes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These families have lost everything. You couldn`t
believe that there was a town there before. It`s surreal.
MOTT: Officials say reconstruction in Barbuda alone could cost hundreds of
millions of dollars. Billionaire Richard Branson today posting these
images of destruction at his island home, Branson already helping with the
O`DONNELL: That was NBC`s Ron Mott reporting from San Juan. Tonight`s
last word is next.
O`DONNELL: We have breaking news, The Daily Beast reporting just moments
ago that Russia used Facebook events to organize anti-immigrant rallies in
the United States last year. Russian operatives hiding behind false
identities used Facebook`s event management tool to remotely organize and
promote political protest in the United States including an august 2016
anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim rally in Idaho.
And of course the anti immigrant candidate for president at that time was
Donald Trump and those rallies obviously helped fuel enthusiasm for the
anti-immigrant presidential campaign. That`s tonight`s last word. “The
11th Hour” with Brian Williams starts now.
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