The Last Word With Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 11/1/2016
Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL
Date: November 1, 2016
Guest: Tom Bonier, Mark Zandi, Zack Beauchamp
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: That does it for us tonight, we will see you
again tomorrow, now it`s time for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell,
good evening Lawrence.
LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: Hey, Rachel, we`ve got some really big
breaking news coming in this hour about what the vote looks like right now
MADDOW: Right –
O`DONNELL: Florida, really –
MADDOW: Excellent –
O`DONNELL: Important stuff.
MADDOW: Good stuff, thank you, man –
O`DONNELL: Thanks, Rachel. Moody`s Analytics has correctly predicted
every presidential election since 1980. Their new projection includes an
exact electoral vote-count. Which is very good news for the Clinton
campaign, but that is not the big news of this hour.
We have breaking news that will dominate tomorrow`s campaign coverage. It
could be the most important information that we will have before votes are
counted a week from tonight.
And that information indicates that a week from tonight, at this very hour,
we might already know who the next president of the United States will be.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I wasn`t going to get
started on Trump.
But I think maybe I better take my coat off.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: It`s time for new leadership.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This guy is going to be your
BIDEN: Donald Trump is the definition of the abuse of power.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: This is a man who thinks that
he is better than President Reagan, better than President Obama, literally
better than anybody, I guess.
TRUMP: I`ve led a great life, and I truly love our country.
OBAMA: This guy?
CLINTON: We just heard from Alisha, she was Miss Universe, can we just
stop for a minute and reflect on the absurdity of Donald Trump finding
fault with Miss Universe?
BIDEN: I mean, think about what that says about this man`s head.
TRUMP: We will truly make America great again.
OBAMA: Don`t be bamboozled.
TRUMP: Dream big, push for a bold change, and believe in a movement
powered by our love for each other.
OBAMA: You don`t want somebody who really doesn`t know what they`re doing
or show any curiosity about knowing what they`re doing to hold this job.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Tonight is the night to remember the unforgettable words of Tim
Russert of 16 years ago – Florida. We have breaking news tonight about an
important new tracking survey of early voters and likely voters in Florida.
This is the first poll in Florida that includes actual early voters, how
they have voted. So, this poll is giving us a picture of the early voting
results in Florida right now.
And if we can get data like this for only one state, Florida is the state
we want. Florida is once again the most important state on the electoral
map because Democrats and Republicans all agree that Hillary Clinton has
alternative routes to an electoral college victory that do not have to
include winning Florida.
But Donald Trump, Donald Trump has no other way. It is virtually
impossible to win the electoral college for Donald Trump without Florida`s
29 electoral college votes.
Florida is do or die for the Trump campaign. And Donald Trump`s campaign
schedule proves that. Donald Trump has three campaign events tomorrow in
Hillary Clinton was in Florida today, but tomorrow she will be in Arizona
trying to take a Republican state away from Donald Trump.
The Clinton campaign is also purchasing TV ad time in Virginia, Colorado
and New Mexico, and Michigan states where she is leading Donald Trump, but
wants to prevent any tightening of the race in those states.
But none of that will matter. None of it will matter. None of what`s
going on in any of the other battleground states will matter if Hillary
Clinton wins Florida.
Some observers have joked that Donald Trump seems to be running for
president of Florida, but that`s because Florida means everything to the
Trump campaign, and I mean everything.
And tomorrow morning, a new tracking survey of Florida voters conducted by
target smart and the college of William & Mary will be released in full.
That survey contains the most important news yet about the early vote in
Florida. And joining us now with an advanced look at the data that will be
fully released tomorrow is Tom Boner, the CEO of Target Smart; a political
Tom, what are the basic results you`re finding? What is the state of the
race in Florida now with all the information you have?
TOM BONIER, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, TARGET SMART: Lawrence, so, in our
survey, and as you said, we`re releasing the full results tomorrow, but
we`re excited to be here to share these results for the first time with
We see this race as an 8-point spread in favor of Secretary Clinton, 48-40.
Which really is challenging the conventional wisdom of what we`ve seen so
I will say, in what we`re seeing as has been noted on your show and
elsewhere on the network, a lot of the vote in Florida has already been
cast and elsewhere.
As of this morning, over 3.6 million votes have been cast. And so what`s
unique about this survey is our ability to actually poll people who have
voted and see where they are.
And there`s been a lot of analysis of who`s voted by party, but really, no
sense given of how they`re voting.
And really what`s fueling this, honestly, somewhat surprising 8 percent
margin for Secretary Clinton is the fact that she`s performing incredibly
strongly with registered Republican voters.
So, what we`re seeing in this survey is Secretary Clinton is winning 28
percent of registered Republicans who have already cast the ballot in
Florida. And that`s a pretty –
O`DONNELL: Tom –
BONIER: Substantial universe –
O`DONNELL: Tom, let me stop you right there, you`re going to have to say
that sentence again, because the political media out there is taking notes
That is a stunning figure that you just announced.
BONIER: It is.
O`DONNELL: Twenty eight percent of Republican early voters in Florida
voting for Hillary Clinton.
BONIER: That`s right. So, this includes voters who have voted by mail,
absentee voters who tend to trend more Republican, and then also voters who
have voted – early voted in person tend to trend more Democratic.
But that`s it, keep in mind, we`re talking only about voters who are
registered Republicans, and 28 percent of those voters are crossing over
and voting for Secretary Clinton.
When we look at the other side and we look at registered Democrats, there
are no such defections. Donald Trump is winning only 6 percent of
registered Democrats who have voted so far in this election.
And when we look at the overall landscape, there`s almost an identical
number of registered Republicans and Democrats who have voted.
It`s a difference of about .4 percent. So, this is really making up the
difference that we`re seeing in this poll is this substantial crossover
O`DONNELL: And what is the Clinton-winning percentage at the moment with
BONIER: So, overall, she`s up 28 points, and she`s (INAUDIBLE) 53 percent
with early voters.
O`DONNELL: So, Hillary Clinton is at 53 percent just with the early vote?
BONIER: That`s right.
O`DONNELL: And so, going into election day, your – this is a survey in
which you have actual results. You have spoken to actual voters. You`ve
got their results. And then you also project what likely voters are likely
to do on election day.
And so the combination of those two things, what looks like a big win, an
over 50 percent win, 53 percent win for Hillary Clinton in early voters
combines with what happens on election day. And that`s where you get
Hillary Clinton ending up with 48, Donald Trump with 40 in Florida.
BONIER: That`s right, it`s this massive 28 percent margin, it`s a
significant crossover, we`ve been hearing in this election really from the
beginning since the general election started, that there was a significant
universe of registered Republican voters.
We`ve seen this at the top of the ticket with Republican-elected officials
who have been defecting and saying they could not support Donald Trump.
But there`s been an open question as to when it came time to vote, would
these voters actually walk into the polling place, and would they be able
to cast a vote for Secretary Clinton. And then also a second question of
how much enthusiasm would we see among these voters.
And the numbers we`re seeing, again, this massive lead with 28 percent of
registered Republicans crossing over and voting for Secretary Clinton
suggests that yes, these are people who have already voted.
That yes, these Republican voters are not just saying to pollsters for
months that they`re going to cross over and vote, but they are literally
doing it in Florida and likely elsewhere.
And it speaks to the intensity that these are voters who are not waiting
for election day. They`re getting out, in some cases, a week, two weeks
before election day to cast the ballot.
O`DONNELL: So, Tom, this is the voter personification of the Never Trump
people that we`ve been seeing on shows like this for months now, saying
that they would not vote for Donald Trump.
And as you say, it`s been a little bit of a mystery of what will they do,
will they go third party, will they not vote, will they vote for Hillary
Twenty eight percent of registered Republican voters in the early vote in
Florida voting for Hillary Clinton.
BONIER: Yes, that`s exactly right. And it`s important to keep in mind in
what makes this survey unique in our partnership with William & Mary and
our team at Target Smart is that we are actually compiling the data in
terms of each – on an individual level who is voting each day.
And so, when I say over 3.6 million voters have voted, we have that list.
Now, keep in mind we don`t know how they voted, that`s not reported, that`s
why we poll.
But we`re really combining the analysis, the great analysis that folks have
done, looking at the early vote data and what has been lacking in a lot of
polling out there, and actually being able to survey these people who have
voted, and that`s how we`re able to draw this conclusion.
And that`s why, even though these results may seem surprising at face
value, when you dig in deeper, and you look at these early voters and you
see this crossover, and I will say, these are voters who are actually –
we`ve seen evidence that they are returning to the Republican fold-down
We did look at the U.S. Senate race, and that`s still a very close race.
But we are seeing these Republican voters who are crossing over and voting
for Secretary Clinton who are then going back and voting Republican in the
So, it really is an interesting crossover effect. It is completely
consistent with, as you mention, the Never Trump movement that we`ve been
seeing, really, from the outset of this general election. And for that
reason, it`s not as surprising as you might think.
O`DONNELL: And Tom, just quickly, before you go, because I know people
are, you know, tweeting all over the country right now and texting this.
The methodology of how you know how the early voter has voted.
BONIER: So, the Florida Department of Elections actually produces a report
every day saying here`s a list of people who have voted.
And again, it`s important to reinforce here, because people often hear this
and they get a little bit frightened by hearing this. It doesn`t say which
candidate they supported, to be clear about that.
It simply says that they`ve cast an early vote. And that gives us the
ability to match that back to our data and go back and survey these people
and find a little bit more about the ballot that they cast as they voted
O`DONNELL: So, you basically exit polling by calling them, you say OK,
this person`s voted, here`s a number of people who voted.
Let`s call a bunch of them, let`s get a sample, let`s see what they tell us
about – who they voted for.
BONIER: That`s right. Though I`d even add that it`s significantly more
accurate than exit polls. We all remember in 2000 when the exit polls got
In this case because we know exactly the distribution by age, gender and
party, we can construct a sample that`s perfectly representative of the
people who have voted this far.
O`DONNELL: Tom Bonier, thank you very much for this exclusive look at your
new data tonight, very important, thank you –
BONIER: Thank you –
O`DONNELL: Very much –
BONIER: My pleasure –
O`DONNELL: Really appreciate you joining us. And we`re joined now by
Elise Jordan; a former adviser to Senator Rand Paul`s presidential campaign
and an MSNBC political analyst.
Maria Teresa Kumar; President and CEO of Voto Latino and an MSNBC
contributor. And Elise, I want to go first to you, these are your
Republicans we`re talking about. And in Florida, we have 28 percent of
registered Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton.
ELISE JORDAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: That`s absolutely staggering if the
number holds. I really had in my head that Donald Trump probably was going
to win Florida, howbeit, it was going to still be a very close race.
But this would basically – if this percentage holds and Republicans are
coming out in such a strong percent for Hillary Clinton, he`s in huge
trouble in the Sunshine State.
You know, consider that exit polls in 2004, Republican voters, 6 percent
voted for John Kerry, in `08, 9 percent voted for Barack Obama.
If 28 percent of Republicans in Florida are voting for Donald Trump, he has
a huge problem on his hands. And it could – you know, he can`t win the
presidential election without winning Florida.
O`DONNELL: Maria Teresa Kumar, Marco Rubio running for Senate in that
state, the guy who called Donald Trump a con man –
MARIA TERESA KUMAR, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Right –
O`DONNELL: Hit him very hard, running on the same ticket with Donald
Trump, and here we see this massive crossover of Republicans voting for
Hillary Clinton in Florida.
That`s Hillary in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, right now just arriving at her
event. And if she wins Florida, Maria Teresa, and if she wins by a
significant margin, we could know that by this time, 10:15 on election
KUMAR: It`s thrilling, isn`t it? But I wish Tom was still on, because what
I wanted to ask him was if he knew exactly what that – he said that he
needed demographic make-up.
What we`re seeing about Latinos we`re hearing is that there`s an uptick in
early voting within the Latino community in Florida.
So, it would be interesting as how many of that early vote is Cubans
crossing over for Hillary Clinton and then going back for Marco Rubio.
I would also like – would have liked to ask him, how many of them are
older voters that basically – you know, habitually come in and register
and participate and vote early.
But really, it`s looking at the Cuban vote. If the Cuban vote is switching
parties for the very first time for Hillary Clinton, that`s big news.
And it talks about the tsunami of the Latino voter that we`re seeing
elsewhere in Clark County in Nevada, that we`re seeing in North Carolina,
that we`re seeing even in Texas.
So, it will be – that will be the question I would ask him, would be, so
Tom, how is the – how is the Cuban voter-tracking? Because how goes the
Cuban voter in this case? We may be seeing a tsunami Latino participation.
O`DONNELL: Well, let`s just ask the control room, is Tom still with us? Is
he still wired up? Can he take that question?
Yes, Tom, Maria Teresa Kumar is wondering what you`re finding in the Cuban
vote, if you`ve identified that in this polling.
BONIER: So, the constraints of the sample size make it difficult to go
down to that level of granularity. What I can say, certainly, connecting
what we`re seeing in the crossover Republican vote, it stands to reason
that the Cuban vote is playing an important role in that.
And I will say to the point you made also, we are seeing a surge in the
Latino vote in general, in Florida and elsewhere.
Where the likely share, we can talk about the share of people who have
already voted. And again, keeping in mind, this is a really significant
By tomorrow, there`s a good chance that over 4 million people will have
voted in Florida. So, we don`t have sample size issues there.
And so we can certainly say that it looks like Latino voters will make up
significantly larger share of the electorate in Florida than they have ever
in 2012, 2008, or any election.
And certainly, when we look at these early vote numbers, they point to a
very motivated Latino base, and that`s registered Democrats, and that`s
also potentially registered Republicans and Cuban voters crossing over.
O`DONNELL: Tom, let me get a quick question here about the timing of this.
Did this survey include the period after that FBI letter came out on
BONIER: So, that`s an important question, and I will tell you the vast
majority of the survey or respondents were interviewed before last Friday.
We did interview respondents over the weekend, I think what we`re seeing
here is the same thing that we`re seeing in the national surveys, in that,
you really aren`t seeing a persuasion effect here.
And I think to the extent that it has been reported as we`ve seen some of
the national surveys tighten after last Friday that really hasn`t been
about Democratic voters defecting from Secretary Clinton.
It`s been about a different in turnout intensity. And that`s really not a
great way to measure intensity when you`re asking people whether or not
they`re likely to vote. In this case we`ve actually seen whether or not
O`DONNELL: Let`s cut in and listen to Secretary Clinton and the
possibility that maybe someone whispered this information to her as she was
heading for the podium.
CLINTON: In seven days, we focus on what`s important! Don`t get
distracted! Don`t get diverted! Focus on the kind of country and world that
we want to help create!
That`s what I have done! I have stayed focused on one thing, on you, on
your lives, your families, the problems that keep you up at night! And
that`s what I am doing now, because I know the day after the election,
that`s what really counts!
Ask yourself, what kind of president and commander-in-chief do we need to
get the economy working for everyone? Not just those at the top! Who can
keep us safe and lead the world with intelligence and steadiness and
Who can begin to heal the divides that have been exacerbated between us and
bring Americans together again! Well, I`ll tell you what!
Donald Trump has proven himself to be temperamentally unfit and unqualified
to be president of the United States.
And, you know, I don`t say that about everybody. I have known a lot of the
people who ran for president on both sides, Republicans and Democrats.
I disagreed with them, don`t get me wrong, but I never thought they were
unfit to serve. Donald Trump is different. He has proven himself unfit.
And what he is doing with his conspiracy theories, with his insulting, with
his demeaning and degrading millions of Americans proves he should not be
allowed anywhere near the White House.
You know, on the one hand, you got to feel kind of sorry about the kind of
campaign he`s running, don`t you?
I mean, he starts out by insulting immigrants, he moves on to insult all
Latinos, insults African-Americans, insults Muslims, insults people with
disabilities. Insults POWs and then insults women! I mean –
Really, by the time you add up all the people he`s insulted, that`s more
than half the population of the United States!
But here`s the good news. The good news is there`s another vision for
America that`s on the ballot. Instead of dark and divisive, it is hopeful
It`s big-hearted, not small-minded. It`s about lifting people up, not
tearing each other down.
It`s a vision that says – and I believe this with all my heart. We are
stronger together. There is nothing we can`t do if we make up our minds to
And we believe in America that is great because it is good. We believe in
O`DONNELL: That`s Hillary Clinton sounding energized tonight in Fort
Lauderdale. It`s possible that the information about this new Florida
survey was passed to her after it was delivered from this television show
in the minutes before she got to that podium.
That`s information showing that Hillary Clinton is winning the early vote
in Florida by 55 – 53 percent in the latest data in that survey.
And really surprisingly, she is winning 28 percent of Republican early
voters in the state of Florida. If Hillary Clinton wins Florida, no one
believes there is a route to victory in the electoral college for Donald
Florida could end this presidential campaign for both Hillary Clinton and
Donald Trump on election night, one week from tonight.
There is more good news for the Clinton campaign tonight. The Moody`s
Analytics presidential election model projects a win for Hillary Clinton.
Moody`s has accurately predicted every presidential election since 1980.
The Moody`s electoral map projects Hillary Clinton to win 332 electoral
votes to Donald Trump`s 206.
Joining us now is Mark Zandi; chief economist of Moody`s Analytics. Mark,
tell us what your projection is based on.
MARK ZANDI, CHIEF ECONOMIST, MOODY`S ANALYTICS: There are six factors that
influence the result, three political ones. So, there`s – you know, what
we`re predicting here is a share of the vote that goes to the incumbent
And so, it`s based on the share that went to the incumbent party in the
last election. The president`s approval rating, that`s another factor that
matters a lot.
And there`s a fatigue factor. So, if the incumbent party has been in
office for two terms, it`s very difficult to win the third. It happens,
you know, so, for example, Reagan, Reagan-Bush, Roosevelt, Roosevelt-
Truman, but you know, it`s tough.
And statistically, you get penalized for that. Then there`s three economic
variables. Again, at the state level because this is being done at an
electoral college level.
The first is the growth in income after inflation on a household basis.
House price growth because that goes to people`s wealth, the middle part of
the income distribution, the home owners and that matters.
And the change in gasoline prices, that`s kind of a proxy for how people
think about the cost of living. So, it`s all of those six factors that go
into producing these results.
And again, it`s at a state electoral college level.
O`DONNELL: And so one thing you`re not actually using are these state-by-
state polls of the candidates, one candidate versus the other candidate.
It`s economic conditions and –
ZANDI: Yes –
O`DONNELL: And more general political conditions in the country.
ZANDI: Yes, exactly right. And so, this has nothing to do with the polls,
a totally different methodology, coming at it from a completely different
You know, I`m an economist, just the economy stupid and that`s what this
model is about. We use the state of the economy, you know, in Florida, in
Ohio and California and Wisconsin.
We account for that and based on that, we – and accounting for political
sort of dynamics, we predict who is going to win each state.
O`DONNELL: Let`s take a look at one of the – one of the charts that`s
easy to make sense of, even for non-economists, and that`s the gasoline
prices, how gas prices –
ZANDI: Right –
O`DONNELL: Affect a presidential election. So, you look at 1980, and
that`s Jimmy Carter running for re-election, and gas prices are through the
They are higher than they`ve ever been. And Jimmy Carter lost his re-
election, Ronald Reagan won, gas prices dropped. Four years later, Ronald
Reagan, easy re-election win. Let`s take a look at gas prices in 2016.
This incredible drop in gasoline prices –
ZANDI: Right –
O`DONNELL: Which is, if the Democrats were designing this chart for their
re-election campaigns, this is what they`d want to see.
ZANDI: Yes, exactly, so I live in suburban Philadelphia, that`s where I
grew up. The cost of a gallon of regular unleaded is $2.25, $2.30.
You know, that`s about as good as it gets, right? I mean, so, you know –
and people, that`s a very visceral. I mean, they – when you drive in to
work, you look at the gas prices, and that`s kind of a way of thinking
about the cost of living.
And if the gas prices are low, you think, OK, the cost of living isn`t
increasing all that much, I feel pretty good about things, and you know,
obviously, that helps the incumbent party.
So, that would be a big plus for the Clinton campaign.
O`DONNELL: And Mark, as we`ve already discussed tonight, there is now what
could be a massive crossover vote of Republicans voting for the Democrat.
And that`s not even part of the dynamic that you`re calculating here to
give Hillary Clinton over 330 electoral votes.
ZANDI: No, not at all. Although, it is interesting, there are, you know,
a few states that are very close, so, just to give you a sense of it.
North Carolina by our model is very close. Now, it goes Republican in our
model, but by a very slim margin. And Nevada is very close, and that goes
Democratic by a slim margin.
Florida is very close, not surprisingly, Ohio is very close, New Hampshire.
So, some of the swing states are very close.
And interesting – here`s an interesting fact that I don`t – this is made
too much in the weeks. But if you model the election in an accounting
level in those swing states, it turns out the election really revolves
around one county in each swing state.
And it`s about turnout in that county, so, for example, Ohio, the key
county is Cuyahoga County. Cuyahoga County is Cleveland, very Democratic
and it`s really about turnout.
In Florida, it`s Pinellas County, Pinellas County is Tampa, and you know,
it`s really about turnout in Pinellas County.
In Colorado which – so, you know, effectively, we`re electing the
president of the United States, the most important person on the planet,
the most powerful person on the planet in five, six counties across the
O`DONNELL: Bottom line, your analytical model has never been wrong, and it
now projects Hillary Clinton to win presidential election a week from
tonight. Mark Zandi, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really
ZANDI: Thank you.
O`DONNELL: Coming up, things do not look good for Donald Trump, but he did
get an important endorsement, endorsement that tells you everything you
need to know about the Trump campaign.
The Ku Klux Klan wants to make America great again.
O`DONNELL: And we have breaking news now from President Obama on the
Dakota Access Pipeline. The president was asked about the construction of
the Dakota Access Pipeline tonight, which the Standing Rock Sioux tribe has
been protesting for several months now along with tribes from all over
North America. This is an exclusive look at what the president said
tonight to now this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One thing the candidates aren`t really talking about
is the Dakota Access Pipeline. Is that something you would consider
intervening in? People have called for your administration to make a call?
BARACK OBAMA, U.S. PRESIDENT: We`re monitoring this closely, and you know,
I think, as a general rule, my view is that there is a way for us to
accommodate sacred lands of Native Americans and I think that right now the
army corps is examining whether there are ways to reroute this pipeline.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s a possibility, right?
OBAMA: So, we`re going to let it play out for several more weeks and
determine whether or not this can be resolved in a way that I think is
properly attentive to the traditions of the first Americans.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: Everyone at the Standing Rock Sioux tribe will be hanging on
every word of what the president said about that tonight. That is the
second time the president has addressed this. He was asked about it once
before on a foreign trip to Asia.
Coming up, the Ku Klux Klan is now publicly supporting Donald Trump. Big
front page article supporting Donald Trump in the Klan newspaper, but
first, here`s what it looked like today on the campaign trail.
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TRUMP: One week from the change you`ve been waiting for your entire life.
One week away.
OBAMA: This guy? Don`t be bamboozled. A man you can bait with a tweet is
not somebody you want with nuclear weapons.
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton has been there for 30 years, and she`s accomplished
nothing. She`s just made things worse.
CLINTON: I have tried to stay focused in this campaign, not at the barrage
of insults. My opponent can say whatever he wants about me. I don`t
DONALD TRUMP JR, SON OF DONALD TRUMP: We`re probably running against the
most corrupt politician in the history of the presidential race.
JOE BIDEN, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: Everywhere I go, my word as a Biden, they
- no matter whether they are friend or foe, they say to me, Trump, that`s
not real, is it?
SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA), U.S. VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: People who trust
Donald Trump get tricked by Donald Trump, get hurt by Donald Trump.
GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), U.S. VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If only for
their decades of self-dealing, conflict of interest, the politics of
personal enrichment, and their outright corruption. We must decide here
and now, in this great state that Hillary Clinton will never be elected
president of the United States of America.
BILL CLINTON, FMR U.S. PRESIDENT: Maybe you got to be a 70-year-old white
southerner to know what make America Great again really means. I know what
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O`DONNELL: We`re back with more on our breaking news report tonight on the
early vote in Florida. The Target Smart William and Mary survey of early
voting in Florida, that`s basically an exit poll of early voters shows
Hillary Clinton winning 53 percent of the early vote in Florida as of now
with a shocking statistic inside that. 28 percent of Republican early
voters voting for Hillary Clinton, just six percent of democratic early
voters voting for Donald Trump, that is a normal level of party crossover
on the democratic side, six percent going to Trump.
But 28 percent of early Republican voters in Florida going to Hillary
Clinton, we`re joined now by Eugene Robinson, opinion writer for the
Washington Post and an MSNBC political analyst. Eugene if these numbers
hold up, and if the projection, then, of Hillary Clinton on election night,
a week from tonight at the – running at 48 percent in Florida against
Donald Trump`s 40 percent in Florida, when those results come in, if they
come in like that, the election is over.
EUGENE ROBINSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, it`s over at that moment.
And look, if those numbers are right, who knows. W e may think it`s over
even before then. I mean the 28 percent of Republicans voting for Hillary
Clinton, you know, you take a survey, and you find what you find, right?
And so on its face, that just sounds like a number that almost can`t be.
But if it`s anywhere near that then this election, not only that Florida
fall to Hillary Clinton but this election overall could, you know – we
could be talking landslide. And so that`s a fascinating finding. And it
is based on actual voter behavior, obviously, you know, in one week we`ll
be, we`ll know a bit more than we know now. Pardon me there. That was
exactly one week we`ll be - we`ll know what happened in Florida.
O`DONNELL: It strikes me that this is the audience of Charlie Sikes. This
is the audience of all of these Republicans who entered the never Trump
zone months and months ago. Some of them a year ago, and we`ve never seen
anything like that with either party. And Paul Ryan, who is very
reluctantly willing to say that he voted for Trump and nothing else, won`t
be seen with him. There had to be a one would expect there to be a
Republican voter effect from all that disaffection with Donald Trump among
leading Republicans, and this could be it.
ROBISON: You know, Lawrence, in all the sort of last-minute, October
surprises and all the back and forth. One thing we seem to have forgotten
is that the Republican Party is basically Afghanistan, right? It is – it
is a mess. It has fallen apart. There is no central authority.
And huge a sections or sectors of the Republican Party have always rejected
Donald Trump and have never warmed to the idea that he represents the party
of Lincoln. And as it turns out, I suspect won`t vote for him. Now we`ll
see, again, this, this Florida finding would tend to confirm what we should
have known based on what`s happened this year all along, which is that
there are a lot of establishment Republicans who really, really have a hard
time swallowing the idea of Trump.
O`DONNELL: Last night Rachel Maddow reported that the Ku Klux Klan was
endorsing Donald Trump, today your newspaper, the Washington Post
interviewed Thomas Robb who is the head of the Klan. And he tried to split
hairs here saying it`s not officially endorsing Trump, but we really do
like his candidacy, we like a lot of his views. The Trump campaign now
tonight just moments ago in fact after we had publicly said we`re going to
talk about this.
The Trump campaign released a statement saying, Mr. Trump and the campaign
denounces hate in any form. This publication is repulsive and their views
do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who uniting behind our
campaign. And I`m sure that`s true that they don`t represent the view of
tens millions of Donald Trump`s voters.
But they may very well represent the view of millions of Donald Trump`s
ROBINSON: Right, right. I mean look, I think we know by now where white
supremacists are going in this election.
O`DONNELL: Yes. There`s one place to go.
ROBINSON: Exactly they got one place to go, and they`re going for Donald
Trump. And so I`m glad they put out the statement. I haven`t read the
whole statement that they certainly should have said, you know, don`t vote
for me, because that`s, you know, because that`s not what, you`re not going
to - you`re not going to get what you want if you vote for me.
If the statement went on and said that, then I would probably think a bit
more of it than if it just said, you know, they don`t represent the views
of most of my supporters. But I still want their votes. That`s a bit
different to me.
O`DONNELL: But they did let the story sit there for a day. It took them a
full 24 hours to get out their in condemnation of the endorsement of the
KKK. Eugene Robinson, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I
really appreciate it.
ROBINSON: Great to be here Lawrence.
O`DONNELL: Coming up, last night we discussed the worst thing that`s
happening to the Trump campaign outside of the campaign field, and that is
the incredible and surprising success that the Iraqi military campaign is
having in Mosul. There is more news on that, coming up.
O`DONNELL: That`s gunfire in a village just outside Mosul after Iraqi and
Coalition Forces took back that territory from Islamic State Fighters.
Mosul is the last city that ISIS controls in Iraq. And today Iraqi forces
pushed their way into the eastern edge of the city. They`re actually in
the city now.
It`s the first time Iraqi troops have set foot in the city in more than two
years. This is ahead of schedule in this campaign. Coalition Forces also
took back the city`s state television station with the help of U.S.
Airstrikes. Civilians are fleeing the city. They are afraid that the
Islamic State fighters will use them as human shields as they have done in
the past. Military advisers also concerned that Islamic State Fighters
will conduct suicide bombings and booby trap homes. The U.S. Military
estimates the Islamic State has 3,000 to 5,000 fighters still in Mosul.
Last night I said that could be the worse thing to happen to Donald Trump`s
campaign outside of the actual battle ground states. Donald Trump has been
insulting U.S. generals and military strategists planning this campaign
saying it would not work, saying Mosul is a disaster, saying it is
hopeless. Donald Trump could not be more wrong. This is very close now to
the Iraqi Military completely retaking Mosul.
Up next, what is Russia up to in this presidential campaign? What is the
Trump connection to Russia? a lot of new stories this week, what do we
know? What do we not know?
O`O`DONNELL: Hillary Clinton is campaigning in Forth Lauderdale, Florida
tonight. Donald Trump has three events in Florida Tomorrow. But Hillary
Clinton may already have won the state. According to our breaking news
report tonight a new survey of early voting in Florida basically exit
polling of the early voters in Florida show Hillary Clinton winning the
early vote in Florida by at least 53 percent.
Hillary Clinton at least 53 percent of the early vote in Florida. And a
stunning cross over vote of Republicans for Hillary Clinton in Florida.
This survey indicates that 28 percent of the early voters of registered
Republicans in Florida 28 percent of those registered Republicans have
voted for Hillary Clinton. This survey with polling of likely voters on
Election Day projects Hillary Clinton to win Florida 48 to 40 against
Donald Trump. If Donald Trump does not win Florida he has no route to the
Florida once again could decide this election. And this time it could
decide this election early on election night one week from tonight. At
this hour one week from tonight if Florida votes the way this survey
projects it will vote we will probably know at this hour that Hillary
Clinton will be the next President of the United States, up next Donald
Trump`s Russian Connection.
Donald Trump is more critical of Paul Ryan than he is of Vladimir Putin.
Donald Trump attacked all of his Republicans Presidential Primary opponents
in ways he would never dream of criticizing Vladimir Putin. New reports
have emerged this week about Donald Trump`s connection to Russia. In
Mother Jones, David corn reported the findings of an unnamed former
Intelligence officer who says that Russian Intelligence had compromised
Trump during his visits to Moscow and could blackmail him. But even before
any of these recent reports, there is already enough in the public record
to indicate that Vladimir Putin probably does have a real favorite in this
Joining us now, Malcolm Nance former Counter Terrorism Intelligence Officer
and an MSNBC Contributor. He is the author of the Plot to Hack America,
how Putin`s super spies and Wikileaks tried to steal the 2016 election.
Also with us Zack Beauchamp World Correspondent at VOX. Zach on the
current state of Russian connection information on Donald Trump, what do we
know? And what do we not know?
ZACK BEAUCHAMP, VOX MEDIA: Look there had been allegations this week that
Donald Trump is actually a Russian agent. That he`s communicating with
Russian State Intelligence Forces. That`s not substantiated in the least
and probably isn`t true.
What we do know for a fact is that Russia is interfering the U.S. Election
hacking Democrat Institutions and Clinton Aides and stealing their
information and publicizing them in a bid to derail the Clinton Campaign
whether they want chaos or actually think they can make Donald Trump as
president isn`t clear. But what is clear is that the Russians doesn`t
want Hillary Clinton and clearly they think Donald Trump would be a better
president from their point of view.
O`DONNELL: Malcolm Nance, given everything we`ve known in the past several
weeks and months, everything you`ve found in your book and the new spate of
articles that have come out in the last few days about the Russian
connection, what is your current - what would be your current description
of what you believe the Trump/Russian connection to be?
MALCOLM NANCE, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think Zach`s article sort of
touched on what I spent quite a bit of time researching. However I do
believe that Trump has been co-opted by Russian Intelligence and Vladimir
Putin`s spy master and Chief himself over the last five years. The
difference is that the hacks were done as a cyber warfare, political
warfare operation to support Trump and to get Trump elected because Trump`s
entire platform is the Kremlin`s platform, starting with the dissolution
and breakup of NATO, the European Union and allowing them to run rampant in
O`DONNELL: And Malcolm is it your sense that which came first here? Donald
Trump`s policies and then Vladimir Putin`s affection for those policies or
how did those policies get developed in the Trump world?
NANCE: Well, I think it all goes back to the Ms. Universe Pageant in
Moscow. And Trump wanted to be – he was surrounded with oligarchs. And
these are billionaires with real billions, hundreds of billions of dollars.
And, you know, in the intelligence community we have an acronym that we use
when they recruit agents. It`s called MICE, M-I-C-E. And first M is the
letter for money.
The next is ideology then comes co-option or coercion and then ego. These
are the four factors where they recruit agents. And Trump wants to be an
oligarch. He wants the assets of Russia. And so he`s spent quite a bit of
time listening to their concerns and adopted them themselves. But there
are strings all over Donald Trump and his campaign.
O`DONNELL: Zach, what`s your reading of which came first, the Donald Trump
policies and then Vladimir Putin`s attention or somehow something getting
into the Trump system to make him advance these policies? …
BEAUCHAMP: Yes, I think Donald Trump has a long-standing and consistent
and clear ideology which is that he believes that the United States should
pursue its own interests in the form of money. That is it should control
territory and take stuff that it thinks would give itself more money. He
doesn`t understand that`s not how international trade or economics work.
He basically thinks of it as a giant game of monopoly or sort of rental
development. And, as such he thinks - He basically agrees with the
Russians, that NATOs is not in America`s interests because NATO - well U.S.
allies in NATO aren`t paying the united States for the privilege of
protection. Now the fact that this under write security in Europe and
global trade and then benefit the United States to host otherwise doesn`t
cross his mind.
But the point that there`s this instinctive set of ideas that he brings to
the table whether their developed through something in his childhood or
developed through, you know, his experience as a real estate developer,
it`s really hard to say. But I think that basically, his personality and
world view incline him to share certain key ideas with the leadership of
the Kremlin even though they come at it from different perspectives.
O`DONNELL: And Donald Trump Jr. said years ago that the Russians make up a
disproportionate amount of investments into Trump assets and Trump deals.
And Malcolm that predates Donald Trump`s political career but having
already infiltrated financially that way. And they could have been just
doing it for financial reasons and for financial gain.
Now they`re in –Putin`s oligarch friends are in Trump world. Those would
be strings that Putin could not resist pulling I would assume.
NANCE: Absolutely and you have to understand Vladimir Putin is a former
Director of the KGB. I mean he made his bones under Boris Yeltsin,
dissolving and selling off assets of Russia, which were sold into the
global real estate market. And that laundered all the money from Russia.
For him to actually see someone who`s coming in, who he could co-opt would
actually be the greatest intelligence coup ever in the history of Russia.
And Vladimir Putin would not miss that opportunity. And that`s what the
hacks were for.
O`DONNELL: Well tonight`s report on the Florida vote has to be very
disappointing for Vladimir Putin. Zach Beauchamp and Malcolm Nance, thank
you both for –
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