The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 8/31/2016

Bill Kristol, Pilar Marrero, Eugene Robinson

Date: August 31, 2016
Guest: Bill Kristol, Pilar Marrero, Eugene Robinson

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We will expand and revitalize the
popular 287G partnerships, which will help to identify hundreds of
thousands of deportable aliens in local jails.
That we don`t even know about.

Both of these programs have been recklessly gutted by this administration.
And those were programs that worked.

This is yet one more area where we are headed in a totally opposite
direction. There`s no common sense, there`s no brain power in our
administration by our leader, or our leaders. None, none, none!

On my first day in office, I am also going to ask Congress to pass Kate`s
Law, named for Kate Steinle…


TRUMP: … to ensure that criminal aliens convicted of illegal reentry
receive strong mandatory minimum sentences – strong. And then we get them

Another reform I`m proposing is the passage of legislation named for
Detective Michael Davis and Deputy Sheriff Danny Oliver, two law
enforcement officers recently killed by a previously deported illegal


TRUMP: The Davis-Oliver bill will enhance cooperation with state and local
authorities to ensure that criminal immigrants and terrorists are swiftly,
really swiftly, identified and removed. And they will go fast, believe me.
They`re going to go.


TRUMP: We`re going to triple the number of ICE deportation officers.


TRUMP: Within ICE, I am going to create a new special deportation task
force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous
criminal illegal immigrants in America who have evaded justice, just like
Hillary Clinton has evaded justice, OK?


TRUMP: Maybe they`ll be able to deport her!


TRUMP: The local police who know every one of these criminals – and they
know each and every one by name, by crime, where they live – they will
work so fast. And our local police will be so happy that they don`t have
to be abused by these thugs anymore.


TRUMP: There`s no great mystery to it, they`ve put up with it for years,
and now finally, we will turn the tables and law enforcement and our police
will be allowed to clear up this dangerous and threatening mess.


TRUMP: We`re also going to hire 5,000 more Border Patrol agents…


TRUMP: … who gave me their endorsement, 16,500 gave me their


TRUMP: And put more of them on the border instead of behind desks, which
is good. We will expand the number of border patrol stations


TRUMP: I`ve had a chance to spend time with these incredible law
enforcement officers, and I want to take a moment to thank them. What they
do is incredible!


TRUMP: And getting their endorsement means so much to me, more to me
really than I can say, means so much, first time they`ve ever endorsed a
presidential candidate.


TRUMP: Number four, block funding for sanctuary cities. We block the
funding. No more funds.


TRUMP: We will end the sanctuary cities that have resulted in so many
needless deaths. Cities that refuse to cooperate with federal authorities
will not receive taxpayer dollars, and we will work with Congress to pass
legislation to protect those jurisdictions that do assist federal


TRUMP: Number five, cancel unconstitutional executive orders and enforce
all immigration laws.


TRUMP: We will immediately terminate President Obama`s two illegal
executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the Constitution to
give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants – 5 million.


TRUMP: And how about all of the millions that are waiting on line, going
through the process legally? So unfair.

Hillary Clinton has pledged to keep both of these illegal amnesty programs,
including the 2014 amnesty which has been blocked by the United States
Supreme Court. Great.

Clinton has also pledged to add a third executive amnesty. And by the way,
folks, she will be a disaster for our country, a disaster in so many other

And don`t forget the Supreme Court of the United States. Don`t forget that
when you go to vote on November 8th. And don`t forget your 2nd Amendment.
And don`t forget the repeal and replacement of “Obama care.”


TRUMP: And don`t forget building up our depleted military. And don`t
forget taking care of our vets! Don`t forget our vets. They have been


TRUMP: Clinton`s plan would trigger a constitutional crisis unlike almost
anything we have ever seen before. In effect, she would be abolishing the
law-making powers of Congress in order to write her own laws from the Oval
Office. And you see what bad judgment she has. She has seriously bad

Can you imagine? In a Trump administration, all immigration laws will be
enforced, will be enforced. As with any law enforcement activity, we will
set priorities. But unlike this administration, no one will be immune or
exempt from enforcement. And ICE and Border Patrol officers will be
allowed to do their jobs the way their jobs are supposed to be done!


TRUMP: Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to
deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country.
Otherwise, we don`t have a country.

Our enforcement priorities will include removing criminals, gang members,
security threats, visa overstays, public charges. That is, those relying
on public welfare or straining the safety net, along with millions of
recent illegal arrivals and overstays who`ve come here under this current
corrupt administration!


TRUMP: Number six, we are going to suspend the issuance of visas to any
place where adequate screening cannot occur!


TRUMP: According to data provided by the Senate Subcommittee on
Immigration, and the national interest, between 9/11 and the end of 2014,
at least 380 foreign-born individuals were convicted in terror cases inside
the United States. And even right now, the largest number of people are
under investigation for exactly this that we`ve ever had in the history of
our country!

Our country is a mess! We don`t even know what to look for anymore, folks.
Our country has to straighten out. And we have to straighten out fast.

The number is likely higher. But the administration refuses to provide
this information even to Congress. As soon as I enter office, I am going
to ask the Department of State, which has been brutalized by Hillary
Clinton, brutalized…


TRUMP: … Homeland Security and the Department of Justice to begin a
comprehensive review of these cases in order to develop a list of regions
and countries from which immigration must be suspended until proven and
effective vetting mechanisms can be put in place.

I call it extreme vetting, right? Extreme vetting. I want extreme. It`s
going to be so tough. and if somebody comes in, that`s fine, but they`re
going to be good. It`s extreme.

And if people don`t like it – we`ve got have a country, folks, got to have
a country. Countries in which immigration will be suspended would include
places like Syria and Libya.


TRUMP: And we are going to stop the tens of thousands of people coming in
from Syria. We have no idea who they are, where they come from. There`s
no documentation. There`s no paperwork. It`s going to end badly, folks.
It`s going to end very, very badly.

For the price of resettling one refugee in the United States, 12 could be
resettled in a safe zone in their home region, which I agree with 100
percent. We have to build safe zones, and we`ll get the money from Gulf
states. We don`t want to put up the money. We owe almost $20 trillion,
doubled since Obama took office, our national debt.


TRUMP: But we will get the money from Gulf states and others. We`ll
supervise it. We`ll build safe zones, which is something that I think all
of us want to see.

Another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants that include
– and this is so important, especially if you get the right people, and we
will get the right people – an ideological certification to make sure that
those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people!



TRUMP: Thank you. We`re very proud of our country, aren`t we? Really?


TRUMP: With all it`s going through, we`re very proud of our country. For
instance, in the last five years, we`ve admitted nearly 100,000 immigrants
from Iraq and Afghanistan. And these two countries, according to Pew
Research, a majority of residents say that the barbaric practice of honor
killings against women are often or sometimes justified. That`s what they


TRUMP: That`s what they say, they`re justified, right? And we`re
admitting them to our country. Applicants will be asked for their views
about honor killings, about respect for women and gays and minorities.
Attitudes on radical Islam, which our president refuses to say, and many
other topics as part of this vetting procedure. And if we have the right
people doing it, believe me, very, very few will slip through the cracks.
Hopefully, none.


TRUMP: Number seven, we will insure that other countries take their people
back when they order them deported!


TRUMP: There are at least 23 countries that refuse to take their people
back after they`ve been ordered to leave the United States, including large
numbers of violent criminals! They won`t take them back! So we say, OK,
we`ll keep them. Not going to happen with me, folks. Not going to happen
with me.


TRUMP: Due to a Supreme Court decision, if these violent offenders cannot
be sent home, our law enforcement officers have to release them into your


TRUMP: And by the way, the results are horrific, horrific. There are
often terrible consequences, such as Casey Chadwick`s tragic death in
Connecticut just last year. Yet despite the existence of a law that
commands the secretary of state to stop issuing visas to these countries,
Secretary Hillary Clinton ignored this law and refused to use this powerful
tool to bring nations into compliance! And they would comply if we would
act properly.

In other words, if we had leaders that knew what they were doing, which we
don`t. The result of her misconduct was the release of thousands and
thousands of dangerous criminal aliens who should have been sent home to
their countries. Instead, we have them all over the place – probably a
couple in this room as a matter of fact, but I hope not.

According to a report from “The Boston Globe,” from the year 2008 to 2014,
nearly 13,000 criminal aliens were released back into U.S. communities
because their home countries would not under any circumstances take them
back. Hard to believe with the power we have, hard to believe. We`re like
the big bully that keeps getting beat up. You ever see that? The big
bully that keeps getting beat up.

These 13,000 releases occurred on Hillary Clinton`s watch. She had the
power and the duty to stop it cold, and she decided she would not do it.


TRUMP: And Arizona knows better than most exactly what I`m talking about.
Those released include individuals convicted of killings, sexual assaults
and some of the most heinous crimes imaginable.

“The Boston Globe” writes that a “Globe” review of 323 criminals released
in New England from 2008 to 2012 found that as many as 30 percent committed
new offenses, including rape, attempted murder and child molestation. We
take them. We take them.


TRUMP: Number eight, we will finally complete the biometric entry-exit
visa tracking system, which we need desperately! For years, Congress has
required biometric entry-exit visa tracking systems, but it has never been
completed. The politicians are all talk, no action, never happens, never

Hillary Clinton, all talk. Unfortunately, when there is action, it`s
always the wrong decision. You ever notice? In my administration, we will
ensure that this system is in place. And I will tell you, it will be on
land, it will be on sea, it will be in air. We will have a proper tracking

Approximately half of new illegal immigrants came on temporary visas and
then never, ever left. Why should they? Nobody`s telling them to leave.
Stay as long as you want, we`ll take care of you.

Beyond violating our laws, visa overstays pose – and they really are a big
problem – pose a substantial threat to national security. The 9/11
commission said that this tracking system should be a high priority and
would have assisted law enforcement and intelligence officials in August
and September in 2001 in conducting a search for two of the 9/11 hijackers
that were in the United States on expired visas!

And you know what that would have meant, what that could have meant.
Wouldn`t that have been wonderful, right, what that could have meant.

Last year alone, nearly half a million individuals overstayed their
temporary visas. Removing these overstays will be a top priority of my


TRUMP: If people around the world believe they can just come on a
temporary visa and never, ever leave – the Obama-Clinton policy, that`s
what it is – then we have a completely open border, and we no longer have
a country! We must send a message that visa expiration dates will be
strongly enforced.

Number nine, we will turn off the jobs and benefits magnet.


TRUMP: We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible
under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand
its use across the country.

Immigration law doesn`t exist for the purpose of keeping criminals out. It
exists to protect all aspects of American life, the work site, the welfare
office, the education system, and everything else.

That is why immigration limits are established in the first place. If we
only enforce the laws against crime, then we have an open border to the
entire world. We will enforce all of our immigration laws!


TRUMP: And the same goes for government benefits. The Center for
Immigration Studies estimates that 62 percent of households headed by
illegal immigrants use some form of cash or non-cash welfare programs like
food stamps or housing assistance, tremendous costs, by the way, to our
country, tremendous costs.

This directly violates the federal public charge law designed to protect
the United States Treasury. Those who abuse our welfare system will be
priorities for immediate removal.


TRUMP: Number 10, we will reform legal immigration to serve the best
interests of America and its workers, the forgotten people – workers.
We`re going to take care of our workers.

And by the way – and by the way, we`re going to make great trade deals.
We`re going to renegotiate trade deals. We`re going to bring our jobs back
home. We`re going to bring our jobs back home!

We have the most incompetently worked (ph) trade deals ever negotiated
probably in the history of the world, and that starts with NAFTA. And now
they want to go TPP, one of the great disasters.

We`re going to bring our jobs back home. And if companies want to leave
Arizona and if they want to leave other states, there`s going to be a lot
of trouble for them. It`s not going to be so easy. There will be
consequence. Remember that. There will be consequence.

They`re not going to be leaving, go to another country, make the product,
sell it into the United States, and all we end up with is no taxes and
total unemployment! It`s not going to happen. There will be consequences!


TRUMP: We`ve admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between
1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country.
So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to
control future immigration as we are following, if you think, previous
immigration waves.

We`ve had some big waves, and tremendously positive things have happened.
Incredible things have happened. To ensure assimilation, we want to ensure
that it works. Assimilation, an important word, integration and upward

Within just a few years, immigration as a share of national population is
set to break all historical records. The time has come for a new
immigration commission to develop a new set of reforms to our legal
immigration system in order to achieve the following goals.

To keep immigration levels measured by population share within historical
norms, to select immigrants based on their likelihood of success in U.S.
society and their ability to be financially self-sufficient.


TRUMP: We take anybody. Come on in, anybody. Just come on in. Not

You know, folks, it`s called a two-way street. It is a two-way street,
right? We need a system that serves our needs, not the needs of others.
Remember, under a Trump administration, it`s called America first.
Remember that.


TRUMP: To choose immigrants based on merit, merit, skill and proficiency.
Doesn`t that sound nice? And to establish new immigration controls to
boost wages and to ensure that open jobs are offered to American workers
first, and that in particular African-American and Latino workers who are
being shut out in this process so unfairly!


TRUMP: And Hillary Clinton is going to do nothing for the African-American
worker, the Latino worker. She`s going to do nothing. Give me your vote,
she says, on November 8th. And then she`ll say, So long, see you in four
years. That`s what it is.

She is going to do nothing. And just look at the past. She`s done
nothing. She`s been there for 35 years. She`s done nothing! And I say
what do you have to lose? Choose me. Watch how good we`re going to do
together. Watch.


TRUMP: You watch. We want people to come into our country, but they have
to come into our country legally and properly vetted and in a manner that
serves the national interest! We`ve been living under outdated immigration
rules from decades ago. They`re decades and decades old.

To avoid this happening in the future, I believe we should sunset our visa
laws so that Congress is forced to periodically revise and revisit them to
bring them up to date. They`re archaic. They`re ancient. We wouldn`t put
our entire federal budget on autopilot for decades, so why should we do the
same for the very, very complex subject of immigration?

So let`s now talk about the big picture. These 10 steps, if rigorously
followed and enforced, will accomplish more in a matter of months than our
politicians have accomplished on this issue in the last 50 years. It`s
going to happen, folks, because I am proudly not a politician, because I am
not beholden to any special interest – I`ve spent a lot of money on my
campaign, I`ll tell you. I write those checks. Nobody owns Trump.

I will get this done for you and for your family. We`ll do it right.
You`ll be proud of our country again. We`ll do it right.


TRUMP: We will accomplish all of the steps outlined above. And when we
do, peace and law and justice and prosperity will prevail. Crime will go
down. Border crossings will plummet. Gangs will disappear. And the gangs
are all over the place. And welfare use will decrease. We will have a
peace dividend to spend on rebuilding America, beginning with our American
inner cities. We`re going to rebuild them for once and for all.

For those here illegally today, who are seeking legal status, they will
have one route and one route only, to return home and apply for reentry
like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system
that I have outlined above!


TRUMP: Those who have left to seek entry…

AUDIENCE: Trump! Trump! Trump! Trump!

TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you. Those who have left to seek entry under
this new system – and it will be an efficient system – will not be
awarded surplus visas, but will have to apply for entry under the
immigration caps or limits that will be established in the future.

We will break the cycle of amnesty and illegal immigration. We will break
the cycle. There will be no amnesty!


TRUMP: Our message to the world will be this. You cannot obtain legal
status or become a citizen of the United States by illegally entering our
country. That`s right.

This declaration alone will help stop the crisis of illegal crossings and
illegal overstays, very importantly. People will know that you can`t just
smuggle in, hunker down, and wait to be legalized. It`s not going to work
that way. Those days are over.

Importantly, in several years, when we have accomplished all of our
enforcement and deportation goals and truly ended illegal immigration for
good, including the construction of a great wall which we will have built
in record time and at a reasonable cost, which you never hear from the
government. And the establishment of our new lawful immigration system,
then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate
disposition of those individuals who remain. That discussion can take
place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory of the
past, no longer with us, allowing us to weigh the different options
available based on the new circumstances at the time.

Right now, however, we are in the middle of a jobs crisis, a border crisis,
and a terrorism crisis like never before. All energies of the Federal
Government and the legislative process must now be focused on immigration
security. That is the only conversation we should be having at this time,
immigration security, cut it off.

Whether it`s dangerous materials being smuggled across the border,
terrorists entering on Visas, or Americans losing their jobs to foreign
workers. These are the problems we must now focus on fixing and the media
needs to begin demanding to hear Hillary Clinton`s answer on how her
policies will affect Americans and their security.

These are matters of life and death for our country and its people, and we
deserve answers from Hillary Clinton. And you notice she doesn`t answer.
She didn`t go to Louisiana. She didn`t go to Mexico. She was invited.
She doesn`t have the strength or the stamina to make America great again.
Believe me.

What we do know, despite the lack of media curiosity, is that Hillary
Clinton promises a radical amnesty combined with a radical reduction in
immigration enforcement. Just ask the border patrol about Hillary Clinton.
You won`t like what you`re hearing.

The result will be millions more illegal immigrants, thousands of more
violent horrible crimes, and total chaos and lawlessness. That`s what`s
going to happen, as sure as you`re standing there. This election, and I
believe this, is our last chance to secure the border, stop illegal
immigration, and reform our laws to make your life better.

I really believe this is it. This is our last time. November 8th,
November 8th. You got to get out and vote on November 8th. It`s our last
chance. It`s our last chance. And that includes Supreme Court Justices
and Second Amendment. Remember that.

So I want to remind everyone what we`re fighting for and who we are
fighting for. I am going to ask – these are really special people that
I`ve gotten to know. I`m going to ask all of the Angel Moms to come join
me on the stage right now. These are amazing women.

These are amazing people. I`ve become friends with so many. But Jamiel
Shaw incredible guy, lost his son so violently. Say just a few words about
your child.

murdered April 27th, 2002 by an illegal alien who had been previously
deported. And what so – makes me so outrageous is that we came here
legally. Thank you, Mr. Trump. I totally support you. You have my vote.

TRUMP: Thank you.

GIBBONEY: God bless you.

TRUMP: You know what? Name your child and come right by. Go ahead.

was Joshua Wilkerson. He was murdered by an illegal immigrant in 2010.
And I personally support Mr. Trump for our next president.

is Ruth Johnston Martin. My husband was shot by an illegal alien. He
fought the good fight but he took his last breath in 2002. And I support
this man who`s going to change this country for the better. God bless you.

MOREY MALONEY, MOTHER OF MATTHEW DENICE: My Name Morey Maloney and our son
Matthew Denice was 23 years old when he was dragged a quarter of a quarter
of a mile to his death by an illegal alien while horrified witnesses were
banging on the truck trying to stop him.

TRUMP: Thank you.

Donald Trump were president in 2011, our son Matthew Denice and other
Americans would be alive today.

KATHY WOODS, MOTHER OF STEVE WOODS: Thank You. My name is Kathy Woods.
My son Steve, a high school senior, 17 years old, went to the beach after a
high school football game. A local gang came along, nine members, the cars
were batted to – like war in Beirut. And all I can say is, they murdered
him and if Mr. Trump had been in office then, the border would have been
secure and our children would not be dead today.

BRENDA SPARKS, MOTHER OF ERIC ZEPEDA: Hi. My name is Brenda Sparks, and
my son is named Eric Zepeda. He was raised by a legal immigrant from
Honduras only to be murdered by an illegal in 2011. His murderer never did
a second in handcuffs or jail, got away with killing an American. So I`m
voting for Trump and by the way, so as my mother.

cousin Rebecca Ann Johnston, known as Becci (ph), was murdered on January
the 1st, 1989 in North Little Rock, Arkansas. Thank you. And if you don`t
vote Trump, we won`t have a country. Trump all the way.

SHANNON ESTES, MOTHER OF SHALEY ESTES: I`m Shannon Estes and my daughter
Shaley Estes, 22 years old, was murdered here in Phoenix last July 24th by
a Russian who overstayed his visa. And vote Trump.

Mendoza the mother of Sergeant Brandon Mendoza who was killed in a violent
head-on collision May 12th, 2014 in Mesa. Thank You.

And I want to thank Phoenix for the support you`ve always given me. And I
want to tell you what. I`m supporting the man who will – is the only man
who`s going to save our country and what we`re going to be leaving our

father of Grant Ronavek (ph), 21 years old, killed January 22nd, 2015 by an
illegal immigrant who shot him in the face. I truly believe that Mr. Trump
is going to change things. He`s going fight for my family and he`s going
to fight for America.

TRUMP: These are amazing people. And I`m not asking for their
endorsement. Believe me that. I just think – I`ve gotten to know so many
of them and many more from our group. But they are incredible people. And
what they`re going through is incredible. And there`s just no reason for
it. So let`s give them a really tremendous hand.

That`s tough stuff. I will tell you. That is tough stuff, incredible
people. So now is the time for these voices to be heard. Now is the time
to the media to begin asking questions on their behalf. Now is the time
for all of us as one country, Democrat,
Republican, Liberal, Conservative, to band together to deliver justice and
safety and security for all Americans.

Let`s fix this horrible, horrible problem. It can be fixed quickly. Let`s
secure our border.

Let`s stop the drugs and the crime from pouring into our country. Let`s
protect our Social Security and Medicare. Let`s get unemployed Americans
off the welfare and back to work in their own country. This has been an
incredible evening. We`re going to remember this evening. November 8th.

We have to get everybody – this is such an important state. November 8th.
We have to get everybody to go out and vote. We`re going to bring – thank

Thank you. We`re going to take our country back, folks. This is a
movement. We`re going to take our country back. Thank you. Thank you.

This is an incredible movement. The world is talking about it. The world
is talking about it. And by the way, if you haven`t been looking at what`s
been happening at the polls over the last three or four days, I think you
should start looking. You should start looking.

Together we can save American lives, American jobs, and American futures.
Together we can save America itself. Join me in this mission. We`re going
to make America great again.

Thank you. I love you. Thank you. God bless you, everybody. God bless


LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC ANCHOR: For the last hour and 12 minutes in
Phoenix, Donald Trump has been delivering a much-anticipated speech on
Immigration Policy. He outlined a ten-point plan in this speech tonight.
The most important point that people were waiting to hear about was, what
would he now propose for the 11 million people who are in this country

He has in the past said he favors mass deportation of every one of them.
Tonight, he did not specifically address that issue. It was not one of the
items in his ten-point plan. He did say and emphasized repeatedly that
criminals who are in this country illegally would be a top priority for

He began the speech after visiting the President of Mexico today, began the
speech by referring to the President of Mexico as quote, “a man I like and
respect very much.” Those were his words. That is the same president who
Donald Trump has in the past blamed for sending us criminals from Mexico to
the United States.

He also referred to, these are his words, “my love for the people of
Mexico” at the beginning of his speech. But we`re joined now by Bill
Kristol, Editor of the Weekly
Standard, Pilar Marrero, a Senior Political Reporter for La Opinion and
Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer prize-winning opinion writer for the Washington
Post and an MSNBC Political Analyst.

Gene, we listened carefully for the question everyone wanted the answer to
and that is the issue on which Donald Trump has been softening, and that is
the mass deportation. And apparently, the softening is now the official

That`s actually not the way I heard the speech. I heard him say anyone who
has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation.

And I also heard him say that the only way that anyone who came here
without papers, the only path to legalization or any sort of legal status
for those people is to go home to their – to their original countries or
go out of this country and apply through some new immigration system that
he`s going to set up.

He talked about setting up this sort of deportation force that`s going to
concentrate first on what he said were 2 million undocumented criminals in
this country. But he seemed to me to be saying that anyone, for example,
anyone who gets stopped for jaywalking whose undocumented gets immediately
detained and then deported. So it seemed to me he took a very hard one.

O`DONNEL: Well, I think that`s what he wanted people to think he was
saying, Gene, is when he said everyone here illegally is subject to
deportation. That`s the current status. And what he then went into was a
list of priorities.

Now, you don`t have priorities if you`re deporting everyone. And so he
listed specific priorities emphasizing criminal behavior in the United
States or criminal behavior prior to entering the United States as a way of
getting yourself high on the priority list to be deported. But Pilar
Marrero, what did you hear in that speech about mass deportation?

anything about the deportation force that he used to talk about. He used
to talk about this force, referring to Operation Wetback back in the `50s
where people actually would be taken out of their homes, et cetera, et

The funny thing about this speech is even though the tone was very harsh
and very bombastic, the content of the speech is very similar to the stuff
we`ve been hearing about and a lot of the stuff that has been implemented

You know, a lot of the stuff that he`s talking about, for example,
criminals, zero tolerance on criminals, the current policy of the United
States is to prioritize the deportation of criminals, people who are
recently arrived, and people who are under orders of deportation. You
know, he`s talking about the biometric exit/entry. There`s already a
system in place that measures that.

The wall. The wall has already – they already basically started building
the wall ten years ago, or more than ten years ago when the wall passed
Congress back then, et cetera, et cetera. Hiring of agents and expansion
of border patrol that has been happening. Right now we have more
immigration agents and border patrol – Federal Agents that deal with
immigration than any other – than all the other Federal Agencies combined.

This costs the government – this is one of the biggest costs the
government has. And so on and on and on, he`s talking about things that
have been happening ever since the mid `90s and that and that even were
strengthened after 9/11.

So, it`s very interesting. Some of the stuff is new. Maybe the
ideological stuff that he wants to add some questions about whether or not
you know, you are with ISIS or something like that. I imagine that people
are going to tell the truth.

He`s going to suspend Visas to certain countries. I struggle to find
anything that`s truly new here. The sanctuary cities thing is very
muddled, very complicated.

He`s also based in a lot of non-facts, things that are lies essentially.
He`s accusing, for example, Hillary Clinton of wanting to bring – what did
he say, 600,000 refugees? That`s never been the case.

He says that right now she`s going to eliminate Congress and she`s going to
create laws in the next – in the first 100 days and going to give
undocumented people Medicare and Social Security, all this stuff that is
talked about in the alt-right. But it`s really actually has nothing to do
with the truth and it has been fact checked over the years, you know, over
and over again.

So, it`s really hard to tell what he actually said that was truly new.

O`DONNELL: Bill Kristol, I want to go to this question of what did you
hear him say about mass deportation? And I just want to point out that
there was a very vague sentence toward the end of his prepared remarks
where he completed his list of the ten-step program. And then he said,
only after the ten-step program has been in place for years can we then
consider, these were his words, consider what to do with the people who
remain. And that to me very clearly was a reference to the fact that
nowhere in that plan is mass deportation of everyone whose here illegally
and somewhere down that Trump road there will be a consideration for what
to do with those people who were not listed in his priority list for

probably gotten to a place that`s a little more acceptable, a little more
rationalizable by sort of reasonable Independents and Republicans who don`t
want to vote for Hillary Clinton, want change, want to kind of rationalize
accepting Trump. And I think he`s made it easier. Actually he meant
today, if you step back from the trees and look at the forest today was a
very good day for Donald Trump. I say this as someone who very much hopes
Donald Trump does not become President of the United States.

But I just think objectively, analytically, what`s the big problem with
Trump? People just think he`s not – doesn`t have the character,
temperament, fitness to be president. And there he was today, standing
next to the President of Mexico, a country that he has insulted, the
administration of Mexico, that he`s insulted as was pointed out. He seemed
– you know, it`s awkward, a little awkward.

You can, you know, we can parse what he said and did he raise this or that.
At the end of the da, it was not embarrassing. He comported himself fine.

It`s a low bar for Donald Trump. But he`s done a good job of in a way
lowering the bar for himself. And honestly the media, especially the
liberal media have so lowered the bar, they treat him with such contempt
that in the sense now. I think if you`re an average swing voter, one of
the 10 percent, 15 percent that are out there, so as I say you don`t really
like Hillary Clinton much, you kind of like change but boy, you`re put off
by a lot that Trump has done.

But you`d kind of like to persuade yourself that maybe he`s not as bad as
you thought. I think, you know, someone like me keeps saying you can`t
have Trump as President. He can`t be Commander in Chief. He can`t conduct
the foreign policy of the United States. And there he is with the
President of Mexico. No disaster apparently.

You know that`s – I think that picture of him with the President of Mexico
helps him a lot. I don`t know that it gets him even in the race with
Hillary Clinton or anything like that. But I think people are kidding
themselves if they don`t see that today was a good day for Trump.

O`DONNELL: Well, there does seemed to be one problem following him after
that meeting with the President of Mexico and that is the question of the
discussion of the wall, where Donald Trump said at the press conference
after the meeting with the President that they did not discuss paying for
the wall. The President of Mexico has subsequently said we did discuss
paying for the wall –

KRISTOL: No, no. The President of Mexico said, I raised the question of -
we said – I said, we would not pay for the wall and Mr. Trump simply
didn`t respond. So, he gave trump – actually, he went out of his way.
Why is the President of Mexico insanely being so nice to Donald Trump?
He`s being nicer to Donald Trump than all of us are. I mean is this really
in his interest to make sure want to put again.

O`DONNELL: Why wouldn`t he? So, let`s - and how they`re -

KRISTOL: But again, but Lawrence think about this, but think about this
for a minute –

O`DONNELL: Hold – hold on a second. Hold on. Another – and one of the
aides who was in the meeting said that the President was very, very
forceful with Donald Trump about not paying for the wall.

KRISTOL: Right. And Donald Trump –

O`DONNELL: And that`s the story that`s going to be out there tomorrow.

KRISTOL: No, no. But that`s going to help him. That`s going to help him.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen, let`s to – hold on, Bill. Hold on. Let`s
listen to the way Donald Trump dealt with the wall tonight in his speech.
It was the number one item in his speech. Let`s listen to this.


TRUMP: We will build a great wall along the Southern Border and Mexico
will pay for the wall, 100 percent. They don`t know it yet. But they`re
going to pay for the wall.

And they`re great people and great leaders but they`re going to pay for the


O`DONNELL: Gene Robinson, one reason they don`t know it yet is Donald
Trump was too timid to bring – to make that point today.

ROBINSON: Well, you know but –

KRISTOL: No, but let`s take it too rough, Lawrence. That`s not fair. He
wasn`t too timid. He would be a Diplomat –

O`DONNELL: Bill. Bill, please. We`ve heard you – Bill, we`ve heard your
point. Let me hear from Eugene.

ROBINSON: Hold it Bill. Hold it Bill. I mean, you know, he didn`t bring
it up apparently in the meeting. And Pena Nieto – and who knows what he
was trying to do. I mean, you know he has a 23 percent popularity in
Mexico and he invites “the” most unpopular person to Mexicans to visit him.
But that`s his problem.

Look, you know, if you step back for a second and look at the context, the
speech tonight clearly was Trump to me at least clearly was Trump trying to
reassure his base, which had wobbled, as he wobbled over the last week or
so on the question of being super tough on illegal immigration. And this
whole – all this talk of whether he was softening or hardening or
whatever, he wanted to portray himself as hardening today. And I think he
did that.

I think he probably – I think his base probably heard what it wanted to
hear from the speech which I would characterize as xenophobic and un-
American, and I could go on and on. But I think the base heard a lot of
what they wanted to hear.

I would dispute, or I would question whether swing voters, independents,
suburban women outside of Philadelphia, the people he needs to reach heard
anything reassuring in a speech that was yelled for an hour and 12 minutes
by a man who would at times seemed to be sort of out of control. I don`t
think that was reassuring to undecided voters.

O`DONNELL: Well, we have a Fox News Poll that indicates it might be,
although I think the tone issue you raised, Gene, is really important. A
Fox News Poll of Republicans said, what should happen to illegal
immigrants? Twenty-nine percent said deport as many as possible. Sixty-
six percent said set up a system to become legal. Another question in the
Fox News Poll, what if Trump softened position on illegal immigrants? And
that`s the crucial question for what we`re talking about now.

Of on Republicans, if he softens the position, as he seems to have done, 48
percent more likely to vote for him. That`s what Bill Kristol was talking
about, 15 percent less likely to vote for him, 36 percent, no difference.

Pilar that – it seems as though the Trump campaign may have had access to
polling information like that as they went through the last week.

MARRERO: He needs more than the base. We already – all of us know that.
And that`s why he has been shifting. That`s why he has been talking about
softening. That`s why he stopped talking about the deportation force.

I think there was backlash and he couldn`t stand the backlash. And now
he`s gone back to the harsh position. I think this position doesn`t help

I don`t think he was softening for Latinos because Latinos – I don`t think
that Latinos are softening for him anytime soon. But I think that he`s
gone back to a harsh rhetoric that will not help him at all because he
needs to go beyond the white ultraconservative male. He needs to bring
women in, and he needs to bring like you mentioned before, the suburban
moderates, et cetera, et cetera. And he did not achieve that today. And
the fact that the President of Mexico said after he left that he actually
brought up the issue that Donald Trump said wasn`t talked about, I think
made him a laughing stock.

KRISTOL: I just think, I just you`re under – look, I don`t like Trump.
Don`t get me wrong. But I just think you`re underestimating the fact –
that`s the picture that`s going to be on the front page tomorrow is the
President of Mexico and Donald Trump visiting him, standing at a lectern,
perfectly respectable, just the way President Obama stands at a lectern
with the president when he`s visiting another country.

And I think if you are a swing – I`m not saying he`s going to win the
election or every suburban woman`s going to support him. But if you`re an
uncertain voter who`d kind of like to be persuaded that it`s OK to vote for
Trump. You think, you know, he gives these fiery speeches here. He throws
some red meat here,

But he`s a guy if he became President. He`d go visit Mexico. He`d be more
diplomatic and private and maybe he could actually do the job. So I think
it was a good day for Trump.

O`DONNELL: All right. We`re going to have to leave it there for this
hour. Bill Kristol, Gene Robinson, Pilar Marrero, thank you all for
joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.

MARRERO: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Steve Kornacki will continue our live coverage.

STEVE KORNACKI, MSNBC ANCHOR: Donald Trumps border war. Let`s play


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