The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 8/18/2016

Jeff Horwitz, Clarence Page, Rick Wilson, Ken Stern, Amy Chozick

Date: August 18, 2016
Guest: Jeff Horwitz, Clarence Page, Rick Wilson, Ken Stern, Amy Chozick

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: They`re tired of the –



JAN BREWER, FORMER ARIZONA GOVERNOR: He`s got a strong message out there,
and the people want to fight her. They`re tired of the lying killer
Hillary Clintons and Bill Clintons of the world.


MADDOW: They`re tired of the lying killer Hillary Clinton. You care to
explain, governor? When reached by phone, Governor Brewer said she
mispronounced Clinton`s name. It was a stumble of the tongue.

I was trying to say Hillary Clinton. Sometimes when I try to say Hillary
Clinton, it comes out lying killer, and that is the thing that happened.


That does it for us tonight, we`ll see you again tomorrow, now it`s time
for THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell, good evening, Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Thank you laughing Maddow – oh,
wait, I was trying to say –




MADDOW: I know.

O`DONNELL: Wow, no, you know what? I was trying to say laughing Maddow.
That`s what I was trying to say.


MADDOW: Thanks, Lawrence –

O`DONNELL: Thank you very much. Well, we have a lot of breaking news
tonight, we have breaking news about the Clinton Foundation, we have
another breaking news story about what Hillary Clinton said about Colin
Powell in her interview with the FBI.

We`ll be joined by the reporter who broke that story for the “New York
Times”. And there`s breaking news tonight about the Trump campaign
chairman and what could possibly be illegal work that he did in the United
States on behalf of the Vladimir Putin supporting president of Ukraine.

The reporter who broke that story for the “Ap” will be joining us here
tonight. But first this is also breaking news, Donald Trump admits that he
has regrets.


FOR 2016 ELECTION: What do you have to lose by trying something new.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He wants to surround himself by people who are his
biggest fan boys.

STEVE KORNACKI: Former “Breitbart” executive Stephen Bannon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Steve is a bully and Steve is a loud mouth from the
farthest reaches of the right wing media alternative reality where
everything Donald Trump says is fantastic.

TRUMP: I feel like a super model except like times ten, OK.

going to make sure Donald Trump is comfortable being in his own skin.


TRUMP: Bing-bong –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to be seeing more vicious attacks, with
more conspiracy theories.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m watching the conservative movement being hauled out
from the inside.

TRUMP: I am glad that I make the powerful a little uncomfortable now and
again, including some of the powerful people, frankly, in my own party.


TRUMP: And believe it or not, I regret it.


O`DONNELL: For 430 days, Donald Trump has been campaigning for president
and every one of those days he has had something to apologize for, but he
never has apologized.

Then came today, with only 81 days left to the election, Donald Trump now
under the influence of his new campaign managers, finally cracked.


TRUMP: Sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of
issues, you don`t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I
have done that.



And believe it or not, I regret it.


TRUMP: Thank you. And I do regret it, particularly where it may have
caused personal pain. Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with
these issues. But one thing I can promise you this, I will always tell you
the truth.


O`DONNELL: Regret. He couldn`t bring himself to apologize. Donald Trump
is too small a person to ever find a way of saying the word “sorry”, but he
took the baby step today of saying that he had regrets.

He has regrets for some of the things he said, but he doesn`t have the
courage to say what those things are and then in the same breath, he told
his audience that he will always tell them the truth, which, of course, is
his biggest lie.

It is the umbrella lie that covers the entire campaign. No presidential
candidate in history has lied with the pathological frequency of Donald

In his speech tonight, he demanded that Hillary Clinton apologize for the
decision she made as Secretary of State, policy decisions and the decision
of the way she ran her e-mail.

But Donald Trump still has not apologized for the lies he started telling
five years ago about President Obama`s birth.

Donald Trump has never apologized for lying about seeing thousands of
people celebrating on 9/11 in New Jersey. Donald Trump is the author of
the most easily proven lies of any politician in history.

And just for good measure, right after he told his audience tonight that he
would always tell them the truth, he immediately just threw a lie in their
faces and they fell for it.


TRUMP: I am spending millions and millions of dollars on my own campaign.
I am funding my campaign.


My only interest is the American people.


O`DONNELL: I am funding my own campaign. That is an outright lie. His
audience should know that by now. He is desperately trying to raise money
for his campaign and doing a terrible job of it.

Donald Trump`s new campaign management was able to get him to admit
regrets, especially now that he`s losing in every poll and every
battleground state, but they obviously have no intention of getting Donald
Trump to stop lying.

While Donald Trump was speaking and lying tonight, the “Associated Press”
in a breaking news report said e-mails obtained by the “Associated Press”
show Donald Trump`s campaign Chairman Paul Manafort “directly orchestrated
a covert Washington lobbying operation on behalf of Ukraine`s ruling
political party.

Attempting to sway American public opinion in favor of the country`s pro-
Russian government. Paul Manafort and his deputy Rick Gates never
disclosed their work as foreign agents between 2012 and 2014 as required
under federal law.”

Joining us now is Jeff Horwitz, one of the “Associated Press” reporters who
broke that story tonight about Paul Manafort. And Jeff, the – Paul
Manafort and his associate both now working for the Trump campaign.

And you have found our actual e-mails showing what they were doing. What
more can you tell us about that?

JEFF HORWITZ, ASSOCIATED PRESS: So, this is – so, earlier this week, Paul
Manafort issued a statement saying that they had never and never done
anything involving – basically, lobbying on behalf of either the Russian
government or the Ukrainian government.

And they swore this up and down, the lobbyists who were working for sort of
aligned political lobbying operation, said the same thing.

And the e-mails we have, which are between – or from, I should say, Rick
gates who is Manafort`s deputy, from his firm to the nonprofit that`s
supposedly independent, clearly show that Rick Gates and the Manafort firm
are controlling this effort and are basically telling sort of these guys,
the lobbyists in D.C. what to do, who to contact.

They`re setting up meetings for Ukrainian ministers and they are attempting
to also get Ukrainian viewpoints. So, we say – I should say, the
particular viewpoints, Ukrainian`s Party of Regions in front of American
audience through TV interviews and newspaper interviews.

O`DONNELL: And Jeff, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates have never denied
working in Ukraine, that`s public record, that they worked in Ukraine for
the president of Ukraine.

But what they have been denying is that they were doing any work back in
the United States, and there are – there are things that – lines that you
could easily cross in working in the United States that require you to
register as, basically, a foreign agent.

That`s what they have not done and that could be the legal violation here.

HORWITZ: Exactly, so there are – the Foreign Agent Registration Act is
very clear. This was put in place 1938, basically, to try to detect and
track propaganda by the Germans during World War II.

This law is very clear that anyone who is acting on behalf of a foreign
government needs to disclose their operations and needs to detail it very
clearly. So, you know, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates can do whatever they
like as consultants in Ukraine.

That`s OK and that`s their business by according to U.S. law. But as soon
as they bring that back overseas or back home, at that point they need to
disclose this, they need to be transparent about their operations.

And what we found is they weren`t transparent to the government in
disclosing, basically, that they were operating a lobbying business out

O`DONNELL: And this is precisely the kind of thing that Donald Trump said
that if he is president, he would not allow anyone who served in his
administration to do anything like this for five years after serving in the

But he said nothing about how much of it they could do right up until the
day before serving in the administration.

HORWITZ: And there`s a bit of irony here, and that speech tonight I
believe was about registered lobbyist. The problem here is that Paul
Manafort`s firm was basically doing unregistered lobbying.

The same thing, just without actually declaring itself according to the
U.S. government`s laws. So, yes, I mean, this is – this is, yes, and
these are the people who are – who are senior in this campaign and who
have been advising him for months and months.

O`DONNELL: Jeff Horwitz, thank you very much for joining us tonight with
this breaking news story you created, thank you.

HORWITZ: Thanks for having me.

O`DONNELL: We`re joined now by Clarence Page; columnist for the “Chicago
Tribune”. Also with us, Rick Wilson; Republican strategist who is
consulting with Evan McMullin, who is making an independent bid for

Clarence Page, it happened. Donald Trump pivoted, you`ve been waiting 400
days for it. He pivoted to admitting a regret without ever telling us
exactly what he regrets.

CLARENCE PAGE, COLUMNIST, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Yes, I call that a half pivot -


PAGE: Actually, Lawrence. The reason why – it kind of reminded me of
that Frank Sinatra song, you know, “Regrets I`ve had a Few” –


PAGE: “But I did it my way”. That`s – that was the next line I was
waiting for from Donald Trump. Frankly, it`s – the difference between
regret and sorry, we could talk the rest of the night about that.

But the fact is though, you are right, this is a change of direction. I`ve
noticed the last couple of days, he`s been rather sedate compared to the
flamboyant and bold and audacious Trump we`ve known up until now.

I think he`s trying hard to tone it down. I`m waiting to see how long this
is going to last. But frankly, that little speech he gave today lack

O`DONNELL: Rick, clearly, the regret piece was the thing that they were
going to be able to prove, look, the new bosses of the Trump campaign, look
what they`ve done.

RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: It`s the 87th pivot this year.


WILSON: And every time this happens you know that there`s a clock running.
And that clock is, when does Donald Trump get his phone back and start
tweeting again?

When does Donald Trump start nodding his verbal dysentery spray out all
over the world, again, by Twitter or whatever inappropriate remarks he
chooses to make that day. This is a guy who cannot be tamed or mastered or
controlled by people.

And it`s amazing that the American media falls for this. Because there`s a
whole bunch of gushing stories tonight about people who should know better
– oh, he`s pivoted, he`s turned.

Even though the speech really didn`t contain, as you noted, any kind of an
apology –

O`DONNELL: Right –

WILSON: Regret – he`s a sociopath, he`s unable to process –

O`DONNELL: Right –

WILSON: Those things. He`s looking for the minimum path, I am sorry if I
offended you. That`s you know, putting it – putting the onus on the
person that`s listening to him. It`s astounding and it`s typical Trump and
it`s nothing we shouldn`t expect at this point.

And look, this is probably – we`ll probably get 20 or 30 pivots to go in
the course of this election, but just wait until he gets his phone back
tonight, he`ll say something crazy again, it`s always on the clock.

O`DONNELL: Clarence Page, it seems the first question for the next Trump
interviewer, and I think at this point he`s down to Bill O`Reilly and Sean
Hannity. I don`t think anyone else – he`s not doing business by anyone

But the first question obviously is the pressing on exactly what do you

PAGE: Well, that`s right, I`m wondering myself, frankly, and I`m sure
Megyn Kelly and numerous other people whom he`s insulted or wondering as

But you know, this frankly shows something of a token effort toward –
showing that he recognizes he`s made some mistakes.

But look at the colossal train load of mistakes he`s made so far. And they
are not exactly on gasp, but really reflect his attitude.

He has said, for example, you know, when asked why you still campaigning to
the base, why don`t you cross over and go for the swing voters independents
out there, and he says I really like talking to these rallies and having –
hearing people cheer my name, et cetera.

He likes that style of campaigning, but it`s not practical, and so far is
winning some votes in those battleground states.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to what the head of the NYPD said today in
reaction to Donald Trump`s talking about law and order.


law and order candidate, what are the ideas that they should – we`re all
about is the idea of reducing fear.

One team(ph) proposes ideas that will work, and not exploiting fear with
rhetoric and platitude. So, I`m not familiar enough with what is behind
the statement – the law and order candidate.

What is he proposing? What`s his experience? What are his ideas? I just
don`t know, I haven`t heard it –


O`DONNELL: Rick, Sheriff Joe Arpaio has yet to respond to Bill Bratton on

WILSON: Well, look, Donald Trump`s speech as we noted the other night, it
was eight minutes of law and order that was largely recycled stuff from
1968, from 1993, Rudy.

O`DONNELL: You and I had to sit –

WILSON: Some other riot –

O`DONNELL: Through it here –

WILSON: Some other things that are going through our speech-writing
history –


WILSON: But largely, you know, the speech has been forgotten already,
because the next – that – the next few hours he hired Steve Bannon, who
is a cancer at the heart of conservatism in this country.

A man who has – who has promoted anti-Semitism, promoted racial division,
stoke the flames of every crisis in this country. And so, now there`s a
guy who`s behind this campaign –

O`DONNELL: And who`s never walked on a campaign.

WILSON: Who`s never worked on a campaign, which I love people who have
never worked in a campaign, they think, oh, I can do that.


WILSON: That`s easy –


WILSON: That`s easy –


WILSON: Yes, good luck, pal.

O`DONNELL: Rick, that`s the perfect cue for the next segment. We`re going
to go into – we`re going to look behind the curtain, that Bannon and see
who he really is. Clarence Page, Rick Wilson, thank you both for joining
us tonight –

WILSON: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Thank you –

PAGE: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, we have breaking news about the Clinton Foundation,
also breaking news about what Hillary Clinton said about Colin Powell in
her interview with the FBI.

And how is Donald Trump`s new campaign team working? You just heard what
Rick had to say about the new CEO of the Clinton – of the Trump campaign,
we`ll have more coming up.


O`DONNELL: We have breaking news tonight from the “New York Times” that
Hillary Clinton told the FBI that former Secretary of State Colin Powell
advised her to use private e-mail when she became Secretary of State.

Also today, the new Trump campaign manager in a disagreement with Trump
campaign spokesman, that`s coming up.


O`DONNELL: The new management of the Trump campaign may have gotten Donald
Trump to express regrets tonight for unspecified things he has said in the

But the lead spokesperson for the Trump campaign continued her lying ways
on television today, this time about Hillary Clinton`s health.


CAMPAIGN: He had said that she doesn`t have the strength or the stamina
for a very long time. That part is nothing new.

What`s new are the other reports of the observations of Hillary Clinton`s
behavior and mannerisms, specifically with what you just showed in those
previous clips as well as her dysphasia.


O`DONNELL: Tonight, Chris Matthews asked the new Trump campaign manager
about what Katrina Pierson just said.


CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC: I`m not a doctor, you`re not a doctor, Kellyanne,
your candidate is not a doctor, and it is Hillary Clinton.

But your people are putting out the word that there`s – you`ve seen this
with Michael Dukakis, you see how politics works.

You put out the word there`s something wrong with the guy, there was
something wrong with the woman, and that people start buzzing about it. Is
this – is this a tactic that you appreciate, that you like?

CONWAY: Oh, I don`t like it as much as she`s taking her on on the issues
and taking her on, on the record.


O`DONNELL: So, Kellyanne Conway, who is Katrina Pierson`s new boss doesn`t
like what Katrina Pierson said today.

But if she really is Katrina Pierson`s new boss, she never has to again
listen to Katrina Pierson saying something she doesn`t like. She can fire
Katrina Pierson right now.

Fire her for lying every time she has ever appeared on television talking
about the Trump campaign. But Kellyanne Conway isn`t the only new addition
to the Trump campaign.

The mysterious figure who now has the title of CEO of the Trump campaign,
Stephen Bannon might be very happy with what Katrina Pierson said today.

Since he has a long record of peddling similar and much worse lies at
“Breitbart News” and on his radio show, an article in “Vanity Fair” about
banning quotes, these comments from the “Breitbart” website that he runs,
the anonymous defiant (INAUDIBLE) said, “I celebrated with some alcohol
when Zimmerman was found not guilty, and I celebrate every time one of
these mongoloids are shot by cops”.

Another racist comment said, “they know that white people are superior.
They whine about it all the time and want to kill us because of it.

They know they come from jungle savages and will never be equal to us, so
they destroy everything we create.”

Joining us now, the author of that article about Stephen Bannon in “Vanity
Fair”, Ken Stern. Ken, thank you very much for joining us tonight, I
really appreciate it.

And I`m struck by this moment today with Katrina Pierson who is peddling
just outright craziness about Hillary Clinton.

Kellyanne Conway says very specifically to Chris Matthews, “she doesn`t
like that.” Do you think Steve Bannon likes that?

KEN STERN, AUTHOR: So, I think Steve Bannon is, you know – he`s become a
professional provocateur, that`s why he`s a good companion to Trump.

And I think he is – I think he will spend his time helping – getting
Trump to talk about the things that made him successful during the
primaries, at least with one class of voters.

And, you know, what Trump does is what – is what Bannon does and they`re
very good at that, and that`s been proved in the growth of “Breitbart” over
the years and proved in Trump`s success so far, and I expect we`ll see it
for the next three months.

O`DONNELL: So, you know, the first part of what Katrina Pierson said is
stuff that Donald Trump says, saying that Hillary Clinton doesn`t have the
strength and the stamina to do the job, there`s absolutely no evidence of
that, that`s just Donald Trump making stuff up.

That is very much in the tradition of Steve Bannon`s “Breitbart” website.

STERN: Yes, so, let`s – “Breitbart” and Dan have been very successful for
the last four years. They`ve sort of invented Trump before Trump.

They created the all right movement, sort of the white-working class
movement in this country. And they did it largely through creating tales.

Tales about the Muslim conspiracy, the tales about the wild effects of
Black Lives Matter. They learned what really gets their audience up and
going, and I expect we`ll just continue to see more of it. They`re very
good at that.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to something that Donald Trump said today.


TRUMP: I am glad that I make the powerful, and I mean very powerful, a
little uncomfortable now and again, including some of the powerful people,
frankly, in my own party.


Because it means that I am fighting for real change, real change. Our
campaign is about representing the great majority of Americans.

Republicans, Democrats, independents, conservatives and liberals who read
the newspaper or turn on the television and don`t hear anyone, anyone
speaking for them.


O`DONNELL: Ken Stern, there`s speculation now that Bannon and Trump after
they lose on election day will band together to create some kind of new
media operation.

And when you hear that line about Donald Trump saying people turn on the
television and don`t hear anyone speaking for them.

Even though he gets a 100 percent sympathetic audience from Sean Hannity
and Bill O`Reilly every time he goes on Fox.

People are looking at statements like that for the seeds of the possibility
of this Trump-Bannon partnership and media.

STERN: So, let`s – so what Trump said there is sort of classic then.
It`s the politics of grievance. It`s the Washington establishment,
American corporations, the party of Davos who have forsaken the American
worker in the interest of globalism and their own interest.

That`s classic “Breitbart”. You know, I have seen the theory that
afterwards Trump and Bannon will gang up. I don`t – I think Trump is a
useful tool for Bannon right now. But Bannon is already very successful.

“Breitbart” is perhaps – you know, there are some statistics shows already
the most successful, political site and social media, it`s got 18 million

Trump is helpful in driving awareness of “Breitbart”, but it`s got its own
– its own velocity going right now. I don`t know that they need to band
up more than they already have.

O`DONNELL: Ken Stern, thank you very much for joining us tonight.

STERN: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Up next, the “New York Times” reporter who broke the story
tonight that Colin Powell advised Hillary Clinton to use private e-mail as
Secretary of State.


O`DONNELL: “The New York Times” is reporting tonight that Hillary Clinton
told the FBI that former Secretary of State Colin Powell had advised her to
use a personal e-mail account. “The Times” reports that the FBI notes of
their interview with Secretary Clinton which were handed over to Congress
on Tuesday revealed that she told the FBI about former Secretary of State
Powell`s advice.

And “The Times” notes that a new book to be published next month by Joe
Conason tells of a dinner party hosted by Madeleine Albright, with other
former secretaries of state at her home in Washington, who were there to
give advice to incoming Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Colin Powell
was there, along with Henry Kissinger and Condoleezza Rice.

In his book, Joe Conason says Powell told her to use her own e-mail as he
had done except for classified communications, she had sent and received
via State Department computer.

The book says, this only confirmed the decision that Secretary Clinton had
made months earlier to use personal e-mail. Until this story broke
tonight, the big Clinton news of the day came earlier this evening when the
Clinton Foundation announced it would no longer accept foreign or corporate
contributions if Hillary Clinton is elected president.

Joining us now by phone is “New York Times” national political reporter Amy
Chozick, who broke the story tonight about the FBI`s interview with
Secretary Clinton.

Amy, thank you very much for joining us with this breaking news, I really
appreciate it.

AMY CHOZICK, NEW YORK TIMES (via telephone): Thanks for having me.

O`DONNELL: When the word came that Congress was getting the FBI notes this
week the clock started clicking on when the first week would come. I`m not
going to ask you where it came from. But the presumption is obviously
going to be that this is a congressional leak of what`s in the FBI notes.

What more do we know about what Hillary Clinton had to say to the FBI about
her e-mail?

CHOZICK: Well, I think we`re going to be learning that, and obviously the
Clinton campaign is concerned about congressional campaigns or
strategically leaking things that could damage her candidacy and has pushed
to release everything. So, we`ll see if that happens.

But until then, you`re right. It could be a drip, drip of those of us
hearing about different parts of the three-and-a-half conversation that
happened over July Fourth weekend.

O`DONNELL: Well, there are also Democratic members who might have an
incentive to drip some drips of it and this one seems to be beneficial. It
seems to be there is Colin Powell saying, you should do it this way.

CHOZICK: Yes. It`s interesting, you know, Hillary Clinton have said from
the get go, as you know, previous secretary of state have done this. They
pointed to Colin Powell. But they haven`t made the link he told her to do
it and I think that that`s something that they would probably have mixed
emotions about, because they don`t want to – she doesn`t look like she`s
casting blame on a very well-admired, popular, former diplomat. But at the
same time, we had known from the I.G. report and other developments scandal
that Colin Powell had used a private address as well.

O`DONNELL: But there`s some huge differences between Colin Powell`s time
and Secretary Clinton`s Powell`s there, the systems had changed and
upgraded significantly. When Colin Powell was there, their computers
weren`t connected to the internet. Apparently, you couldn`t send e-mail
outside of the State Department. That wasn`t the case by the time Hillary
Clinton got there and she was operating under a new rule imposed by the
Obama administration that everyone was suppose to use their government e-

CHOZICK: Absolutely. Significant difference between their two practices.
I mean, for one, I just think technology and e-mail had evolved
dramatically, the State Department was behind when Colin Powell came.

But also, she didn`t have a private e-mail, she had a private server set up
by outside contractors in her house in Chappaqua which has drawn intense
scrutiny that was a major difference. And you mention the new rules of the
State Department inspector general report that came out in the spring
pointed out by the time Secretary Clinton set up her personal server,
quote, “significant security risks were posed by the practice”. So, it is
quite different from Colin Powell`s practice.

O`DONNELL: Amy Chozick, thank you very much for joining us with this
breaking news tonight. I really appreciate it.

CHOZICK: Thanks for having me.

O`DONNELL: We`re joined now by E.J. Dionne, columnist for “The Washington
Post” and an MSNBC political analyst.

E.J., I want to go to the other big story of the night, prior to this,
which was the Clinton Foundation announcing it would no longer take foreign
or corporate contributions if Hillary Clinton is elected president. That
comes as the same week that “The Boston Globe” which has endorsed Hillary
Clinton in the primaries will surely endorse Hillary Clinton again in the
general election, I don`t think “The Globe” has endorsed a Republican in my
lifetime for president, I`m not sure.

But friend of the Clinton campaign, “Boston Globe” editorial board said the
Clinton Foundation should be shutdown, this form of being able to
contribute to the family of an officeholder should be stopped.

E.J. DIONNE, THE WASHINGTON POST: You know, I think that, too. I have my
own notion of this. I think what they should do is reconstitute it as I
would call the Eisenhower/Kennedy foundation, two great presidents of their
youth, bring in people like David and Suzanne Eisenhower and Carolyn
Kennedy, and essentially let the work of the foundation go on, the Clinton
says this foundation does a lot of work, there`s evidence that it does. It
really does do good work around the world.

But to have any kind of entity like this while Clinton is president, just
invites more and more stories as John McLaughlin, the late John McLaughlin
would say, you can know with metaphysical servitude that people will be
looking for Clinton Foundation stories throughout the Clinton presidency.

So, what they did today is a good step forward, I hope, it`s an indication
that they understand that over the long-run, this just poses a problem for
them that they don`t need.

O`DONNELL: Well, and if the idea is we should not take foreign
contributions or corporate contributions if Hillary Clinton is president,
why would it have been a good idea when she was secretary of state?

DIONNE: Well, I think Reince Priebus issued a statement to that effect,
you know, it`s – I think that you have a situation here that is
unprecedented. You have a former president of the United States and
presidents do have these foundations. They do do a lot of good in the

But you have not had a situation where a member of the family, in this
case, the wife of the former president was both secretary of state and
running for president. And I understand that they might say, well, we`re
being held to a different standard than others and there`s some fairness to

But it doesn`t matter, you will be held to that standard, whether you like
it – whether you like it or not because you`re in a situation that we`ve
just never had to live with before. And so, I think they`ll have the
figure out more steps to take about this.

O`DONNELL: Yes, E.J., we`ve been around long enough the standards always
change, they evolve. There was a time when you can get away with any kind
of extramarital behavior you wanted to and then, the standards change all
the time. And the media standards about dealing with that change. These
things change all the time.

I mean, I can understand how they would have innocently found themselves in
this situation, as you say, totally unprecedented, everything about it is

We`re going to have to leave it there for tonight. E.J. Dionne, thank you
very much.

DIONNE: Good to join you. Thanks.

O`DONNELL: Up next, John McCain is the saddest senator on the campaign
trail now where his biggest problem is Donald Trump.

If you`re lucky you live in one of the five big cities where an identical
statute of Donald Trump went up today. It is Donald Trump as you have
never seen him before and never wanted to see him – but hey, that`s what
it does. It shows you things you`ve never seen before. This is art with a


O`DONNELL: Poor Senator John McCain is running the saddest reelection
campaign in the country this year. He spends his name now desperately
avoiding conflict with presidential candidate, who we know he hates. The
one he has endorsed.

John McCain is doing this because 30 years in the Senate is not enough for
him. And so, instead of retiring from the Senate next year at age 80, he
wants another six years, which tragically means he has to run in the year
of Trump, a candidate who begun his campaign by demeaning John McCain`s
experience as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Senator McCain is locked in a tight race with Democrat Anne Kilpatrick and
he cannot afford to lose the single Trump of the support. This is the way
his day goes on campaign trail.


REPORTER: Are you more confident now in Mr. Trump`s presidential –

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: See, what I said. What did I tell you?


Thank you very much. You have a question. Do you have questions about
veterans? Do you have a question about veterans?

REPORTER: Now that he has new team in place?

MCCAIN: Do you have a question about veterans? That was my question for
you, because this is a veterans event.

REPORTER: Later this morning, a group of veterans is going to deliver a
hundred thousand signatures to your office asking you to renounce Mr.
Trump, what`s your reaction to that?

MCCAIN: Well, my reaction is that I`m asking them to renounce health care
who lied to the families – relatives of the families who were killed in

REPORTER: I have a question about the father of soldier Khan –

MCCAIN: I`ve already answered that question. I`ve already answered the
question before.

REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) criticizing Donald Trump saying he`s unqualified for
office saying that Hillary Clinton is much better qualified, how do you
respond to that? How do you –

MCCAIN: I respond to the obvious fact that I`m running my own campaign.
I`m running my campaign has nothing to do with my campaign.

REPORTER: I`m wondering what you`ve heard in the course of the campaign
from Donald Trump that convinces you he`s the man. What has he done?

MCCAIN: I have said that I`m running my own campaign. I said I`m
supporting the nominee of the party and I will continue to run my own



O`DONNELL: War has a new face tonight, a face that`s been seen around the
world in the last 24 hours. Five-year-old, Omran Daqneesh, who survived an
airstrike in Syria yesterday that was apparently conducted by Russian
pilots. It`s a powerful photograph, so powerful that it helped move
Russia, today, to agree with a 48 hour cease fire where this airstrike
destroyed Omran`s home.

Here in the United States, some use this photograph to argue for more war,
more bombing, but with American bombs dropped by American pilots in Syria.

But bombs never know where the five-year-old boys are, bombs sometimes kill
the people you want to kill, but just as often kill completely innocent
men, women, and children. Bombs don`t know the difference between the
people you want to kill and the people you want to save.

It is impossible to argue for more bombs without being willing to accept
more five-year-old boys being dragged out of the rubble dead or alive.


O`DONNELL: Doctors say Omran and his family survived the attack with no
permanent physical injury. But he is now the face of war, the face we can
hope the world never forgets.



DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Fair and equal representation,
this is what I promise to African-Americans, Hispanics Americans and of all
types of all colors, of all religions, this is what we promise. We all
promise. Everybody promises this is what we have to do.


O`DONNELL: Well, that ought to do it.

Time for tonight`s campaign war room, that was Donald Trump`s appeal to
minority voters.

A new piece from says minority voters are the key to the Democratic
plan to win red states. That plan according to Vox is to turn states like
Arizona and Georgia blue by mobilizing voters of color, which make up
significant portions of the population in those states. The latest Arizona
poll shows Donald Trump at 44 percent, Hillary Clinton at 42 percent.
That`s a tie, within the margin of error.

And the latest Georgia poll shows Donald Trump at 45 percent, Hillary
Clinton at 41 percent. That, too, is a tie, within a margin of error.

With just 81 days from the presidential campaign war room, joining us
tonight in THE LAST WORD war room is Howard Dean, former chairman of DNC,
former presidential candidate.

Howard Dean, the minority vote and these states can`t be decisive in this
way unless it`s close enough and those polls show that it`s close enough.

HOWARD DEAN, FORMER DNC CHAIRMAN: It is close enough. And Donald Trump
has zero chance of having any significant in road into the minority vote.
He has done himself so much damage.

You have to – you remember, these communities have been taken advantage of
by majority for a very, very, very long time. So, you don`t suddenly
switch on a dime and convince him with a speech like this, that oh, yeah,
now you`re on their side after dog whistling for an entire year.

O`DONNELL: And whenever you hear an older white man talking about people
of all colors, you know he does not know he`s talking to or trying to

DEAN: Yes, he has no idea. This was some speech written for him by who
knows who, the new campaign manager doesn`t believe any of this given his
record. So, I don`t know where this is coming from. It`s another
confusing day on the Donald Trump reality show.

O`DONNELL: And what – is there a particular kind of approach that the
Democrats, Hillary Clintons are going to have to bring that they don`t have
a lot of experience driving votes? It`s very common for the Democrat to
give up on some of these states so they`re not experienced with getting the
vote there.

DEAN: Well, hopefully, there`s enough left of the 50-state strategy so
that they are going to have experience. Some of these races, Arizona has
been – you know, Bill Clinton won in Arizona in one of his presidential
races. So, it is possible to do this. It`s also possible and transplant
the same methodology you might use in Pennsylvania to Georgia or Arizona.

O`DONNELL: And the – what do you make – have you heard anything from the
new Trump team, campaign management team that indicates anything is going
to be different now?

DEAN: Well, no. But it`s early. They have no operation on the ground.
Now, the RNC has some, but it`s very hard to motivate ground operation
without somebody to be excited about.

You know, I do not expect this group – this election to be a run away. I
do expect Trump to right the ship at some point. I also do expect Hillary
Clinton to be the next president of the United States. I`m just waiting
for Trump to come back.

I don`t want the Democrats to be over-confident about this. We have to do
the work and we have to do the turn outs and we need to win Georgia and
Arizona in particular.

O`DONNELL: As you talk about the Trump campaign, there`s no one who has
any experience with it and Kellyanne Conway doesn`t have any experience and
the new guy from Breitbart knows nothing about that.

DEAN: There won`t be a Trump ground game. If there`s going to be any
ground game, it has to be the RNC. The RNC ground game has gotten better,
but it`s nothing like the Obama ground game. Obama`s ground game in his
two campaigns was the best that has ever been run in the United States and
maybe ever will be for a long time. And she has a lot of Obama`s people
who know how to do this working for her.

So I`m reasonably optimistic, I think we`re going to win in North Carolina
partly because the Republican government have made their own people so
angry where their complete malfeasance over the last four years. And I do
think we have a shot in Arizona. I think John McCain is going to lose.

O`DONNELL: Yes, it`s looking really sad for him out there.

Howard Dean, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I really
appreciate it.

DEAN: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Up next, public art broke out, identical statute of Donald
Trump appeared here in New York City and four other cities. That`s next.


MADDOW: What is very likely to be the most memorable public art of the
2016 campaign appear around the country today. If you`re lucky enough to
be in one of these five cities, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Cleveland, you might have seen one of these five identical statutes up
close if you wanted to.

The statutes were created by do artist who calls himself Ginger. He has
titled them the emperor has no clothes. Well, actually, he titled them,
the emperor has no something else I can`t say on TV, but that`s what the
Internet is for. You can look that up. He used a slang word for a part of
the male anatomy, but I can`t mention. And the statutes, indeed, are
missing that part.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s all I can say.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s just speechless. It`s hilarious.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Girl, that`s a micro –

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I guess this is how you make America great again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it`s pretty awesome. I`m a ginger myself and I
don`t like what he`s doing portraying us gingers in a bad light.


O`DONNELL: After the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation
removed the unauthorized statute from Union Square, the department – which
clearly has the best writers in American government – issued this
statement, “NYC parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in
city parks no matter how small.”

And that – New York City parks for the first time ever – gets the LAST
WORD. That`s it.

Joy Reid is up next.

Hey, Joy.


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