The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 7/6/2016

David Fahrenthold, Marq Claxton, Maya Lau, Malcolm Nance, Michael Steele, Rick Wilson, David Cay Johnston

Date: July 6, 2016
Guest: David Fahrenthold, Marq Claxton, Maya Lau, Malcolm Nance, Michael
Steele, Rick Wilson, David Cay Johnston

STEVE KORNACKI, MSNBC HOST: That`s going to do it for us tonight, we`ll see
you again tomorrow, now let`s head over to Lawrence O`Donnell for THE LAST
WORD, Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: Thank you, Steve, really appreciate it.
All right, so, Hillary Clinton went to Atlantic City today to one of the
casinos that Donald Trump bankrupted to highlight something Donald Trump
never talks about.

His business failures and how they hurt people who made the mistake of
doing business with Donald Trump. And in response, Donald Trump took a
turn at the microphone at a rally in Cincinnati tonight.

I hesitate to call it a speech because that would imply there was actually
some organization to the thoughts that he presented.

And in fact, thoughts might be too strong a word for what we heard from
Donald Trump. Imagine, just imagine the frustration of the Trump campaign
staff on this day when Hillary Clinton launched such an effective attack on
Donald Trump.

Imagine the Trump campaign`s frustration when Donald Trump got up on the
stage and actually talked about Chuck Todd more than he talked about
Hillary Clinton.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if you go to your television, you`re about to see
live a pretty terrific event right here in Cincinnati.

but he was damn good at killing terrorists.

seeing a guy who is unhinged.

to be some kind of amazing businessman?

TRUMP: Have you all seen this? It`s a star. They say it`s the star of
David. I have a son-in-law who is Jewish. These are sick people, they`re
bad people, that`s not the star of David, that`s just a star.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was a rambling variety show.

TRUMP: The Democrats – oh, there was a mosquito, I don`t want mosquitoes
around me.

CLINTON: What in the world happened here?

TRUMP: We like Newt.

This guy is going to kick over the table.


TRUMP: Newt!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It rambles, it wanders.

TRUMP: There`s a guy on “MEET THE PRESS” called sleepy-eyes Chuck Todd.
Do you – does anybody ever –

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He made more swipes at Chuck Todd than he did at
Hillary Clinton in this speech.

TRUMP: Hillary with the teleprompters every single time.

CLINTON: He bankrupted his companies, not once –

TRUMP: Donald Trump is a bad person.

CLINTON: Not twice –

TRUMP: Donald Trump made a lot of money in Atlantic City, but he hurt the
little people. She calls them the little people.

CLINTON: But four times. It is the same scam over and over again.

TRUMP: Isn`t it nice when you don`t read from a speech?


O`DONNELL: Donald Trump had a job to do tonight in Ohio, and you could
tell that he had a job to do, that he had an assignment.

Because the Trump campaign gave him a piece of paper to take on stage with
him for his 60-minute speech.

The speech any other candidate would have had 20 or 30 pieces of paper for
on which the entire speech would have been written for the candidate, but
not Donald Trump.

The campaign gave him just one piece of paper because they knew that`s all
he can manage.

That`s all he can handle, one piece of paper. That piece of paper had the
message the campaign wanted to drill home tonight and it was a message that
no other presidential campaign in history has ever had.

A message about the very sharp criticism that the director of the FBI
leveled against Donald Trump`s opponent yesterday.

Donald Trump is the first candidate for president in history who has been
handed a public statement from the director of the FBI that is critical of
his opponent.

In any other candidate`s hands, that piece of paper would be campaign gold.
Donald Trump began by reading some of the things that the FBI director said
about Hillary Clinton yesterday.

But he seemed to bore himself with the FBI director`s words and Donald
Trump very quickly changed the subject.

To what else? Chuck Todd. Chuck Todd and Saddam Hussein. And Donald Trump
actually spent more time talking about Chuck Todd than he spoke about the
FBI director or Hillary Clinton.


TRUMP: There`s a guy on “MEET THE PRESS” called sleepy-eyes Chuck Todd.
Do you – does anybody ever –


The guy was dying on “MEET THE PRESS” a year ago, a year and a half, a
while ago. He was dying, nobody watching “MEET THE PRESS”.

I wake up, I turn on the television – Donald Trump loves Saddam Hussein.


He loves Saddam Hussein. So, that`s the narrative that goes around. I
actually put a press release out. And now the people that saw it say that
was great, but they`re all liars.

These are bad people. These are bad people. And what I did say – and
what I did say is that he was good at one thing.

He was really good at killing terrorists. He didn`t wait around. Do you
think they gave the terrorists trials that lasted 18 years?

And then after 18 years if they had the right lawyer, they erect a statue
in honor of the terrorists, right? Not with Trump.


O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Malcolm Nance, former counterterrorism
intelligence officer, combat veteran and an Msnbc contributor.

Malcolm, there are so many things in that speech that I want to get to.
But the first thing I want to do is talk to you about what Donald Trump
said about Saddam Hussein and terrorists. Your reaction to that?

COMBAT VETERAN: You know, I think it was the writer Fran Lebowitz who came
up with the great saying, think before you speak and read before you think.

This is one circumstance in which clearly Donald Trump has no clue about
what he`s talking about with Iraq, Saddam Hussein and treatment of

As a matter of fact, one of the most famous incidents or I should say
infamous incidents against people who would later become our allies, the
popular union of Kurdistan and the Kurdish Democratic Party and other
groups up in northern Kurdistan were gassed by Saddam Hussein, as
terrorists during a genocidal campaign called the Anfal Campaign in the

And this was done because he considered all of those rogue sections of the
country, the Turk men, the Assyrians(ph), the Kurds, and he wanted to
eliminate what he considered the terrorists from his country.

O`DONNELL: And so, in fact, in Saddam Hussein`s Iraq, there weren`t any of
what we now call terrorists.

NANCE: Well, certainly not the people who are Islamic extremist terrorists
that we see today. As a matter of fact, weeks before the invasion of Iraq
in 2003, Saddam put out an all-hands call to the Muslim world asking for
anyone to come to Iraq and defend Iraq.

And one of the groups that answered that call was a very small Jordanian
group called Tawhid-wal-Jihad or monotheism in holy war.

And it was led by a young man who was a prot‚g‚ of Osama bin Laden called
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

They came from Jordan, set up shop under the controllers, Saddam Fedayeen
in the pre-days of any invasion, not very far before the invasion, went to
Fallujah, got all the weapons and equipment they can handle.

All the explosives in safe houses they can handle. They let the Americans
flow through Iraq, and then in August of that year, 2003, started carrying
out massive terrorism which to this day has not ended.

So, Saddam Hussein was a sponsor of terrorism, not a – he did not kill
terrorists in the free world period.

O`DONNELL: Malcolm Nance, thank you very much, we just wanted to start
with that fact-checking tonight, really appreciate it, thank you.

NANCE: It`s my pleasure.

O`DONNELL: We`re joined now by Michael Steele; a former Republican Party
chairman and an Msnbc political analyst.

And Rick Wilson, the Republican strategist and contributor to the website
“Heat Street”. Now let`s give Chuck Todd the moment here on “MORNING JOE”
this morning that got Donald Trump started tonight.

And I`ve got to say, in an hour-long speech, without Chuck Todd, it would
have been half an hour. And so, but let`s –

27 –

O`DONNELL: Right –

STEELE: Minutes –

O`DONNELL: So, let`s listen to what Chuck said on “MORNING JOE” that
started this whole speech. Let`s listen to this.


CHUCK TODD, MODERATOR, MEET THE PRESS: It was an unbelievable day. It is
a – I am sort of stunned at how badly Donald Trump`s botching, what is to
me, a gift.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re saying bringing –


You`re saying bringing up Saddam Hussein and saying he was really good at
killing terrorists.

TODD: It`s not –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It might not be what you want to follow –

TODD: Not on that day –


TODD: Maybe today, maybe tomorrow –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s head off –

TODD: Maybe tomorrow, praising Saddam Hussein is a good –


TODD: Idea, but maybe yesterday –


TODD: I would have – I would have held –


O`DONNELL: Michael Steele, it`s not just this praising Saddam Hussein.

STEELE: Right –

O`DONNELL: He is completely wrong about what he`s saying Saddam Hussein

STEELE: Yes, I mean, it`s – you know, the history is a history. The
facts are the facts as Mr. Nance laid out very clearly.

Someone who was on the ground and knows very well what was going on at that

And I think this is part of an overall narrative that, you know, I`ve said
it over and over again, this campaign has to get the grip on the facts, the
reality in order to run for president –

O`DONNELL: Michael, you can stop saying it.

STEELE: I just thought –


O`DONNELL: It`s not – and you can skip that part. It`s not –



O`DONNELL: Right? I mean, can we just –

STEELE: Good, all right –

O`DONNELL: Skip that part –

STEELE: So, it was – OK, I`m with – I`m with my friend, and so I`ll just
skip that part. So –

O`DONNELL: You know what?


We can just put it on the full screen for the audience, that thing you`ve
said 200 times –

STEELE: Several times, yes. So, I have to agree with Chuck, I mean, you
have the FBI director giving you – here is a – here is a happy welcome
cake to the – to the – you know, presidential election.

And that`s not the conversation we`re having today. You have Republicans
around the country who are itching, talking about this subject.

But that`s not the conversation they`re having because they`re talking
about Donald Trump talking about Saddam Hussein.

If this is the cause of this going into this convention coming out of this
convention, it`s going to be very difficult to get a campaign on track.

That`s the bottom line at this stage.

O`DONNELL: And he spent much more time tonight talking about the star of
David and talking about the tweet that his campaign –

STEELE: Let it go.

O`DONNELL: Sent out. Much more that than about Hillary Clinton. Let`s
listen to what he said about that.


TRUMP: It`s a star! And it actually looks like a sheriff`s star, but I
don`t know. And behind it, they had money – oh, but there`s money behind

So, actually, they`re racially profiling, they`re profiling, not us,
because why are they bringing this up? Why do they bring it up?

So, you have the star, which is fine. You shouldn`t have taken it down,
you know, they took the star down. I said, too bad, you should have left
it up. I would have rather defended it – just leave it up.


O`DONNELL: Rick Wilson, here, I think he doesn`t even know the language of
the discussion, he never once said –


O`DONNELL: Anti-Semitic or anti-Semite because apparently he doesn`t know
what that means. But let`s put up on the screen if we have the tweet that
the Trump campaign sent out, which they lifted directly from – not that,
not that tweet.

The one that got this story started, that`s the one that he put out
tonight, trying to justify and stay with the tweet.

So, here`s the original one. Lifted directly as we know and has been
proven from an anti-Semitic website and an anti-Semitic tweeter.

No confusion about that, Rick. And what he seems to want to communicate
is, I absolutely will not back down from this.

And at some point, is it fair to interpret that Donald Trump is saying to
the anti-Semitic vote out there, how – whatever size it is, I am your guy.

WILSON: Well, look, I mean, this is a guy who retweeted them consistently,
who relies now on them as part of his – of his play here.

And the fact of the matter is, this is a guy who founded himself very –
you know, hesitant to denounce the Klan when it was brought to him,
hesitate to denounce David Duke.

And now he`s playing games with this and playing footsie with this. It
would have been easy to take advantage of a gorgeous slow pitch over the
plate from Jim Comey yesterday, and to try to turn yesterday into a day
where he was for once on message and not stricken with his usual trumpy and
verbal dysentery.

But he spent the last 24 hours blowing the one opportunity he`s going to
get to try to litigate what happened with Hillary Clinton yesterday.

And to try to turn, you know, the fact that she wasn`t indicted, perp-
walked and mugshoted at least into something to hang his campaign around.

But instead, it`s been Chuck Todd, it`s been a consistent, you know, dig in
on the – on the – on the star of David on a pile of cash which – gosh,
no one would pick up what that symbolism means.

You know, and the double and triple-down and trying to snatch, you know,
defeat from the jaws of what could have been a couple of decent days for

You know – you know, it`s no wonder he`s having trouble finding a vice
presidential candidate. So –

O`DONNELL: And Michael, tonight, on this star of David, on that tweet –


O`DONNELL: He said, he ended up by saying, they should have left it up.
His campaign should have left up that tweet.

He would have rather defended and just leave it up. Now, the campaign and
Donald Trump, presumably, made the decision this is bad, this tweet is bad.

We`ve got to take it down. And – but that`s yesterday. Today he says,
nothing wrong with it, we should have left it up.

STEELE: I bet probably how that unfolded was he was not a part of the
decision to take it down, which is why he made the statement that he did.

Leave it up so I can defend it, but we don`t want you defending that. We
don`t want you talking about that. We want you to talk about what Rick was
just talking about.

We want you to talk about the 30,000 jobs that were created in the month of
June – we want you – in May. We want you to talk about the IG report.

There are so many other little bubbles of excitement out there that you can
get the base and the party galvanized around, moving into this convention
and then out of that convention into a full-throated, you know, argument
against Hillary Clinton wanting to be president.

O`DONNELL: And, Rick, Hillary Clinton goes to Atlantic City today, very
effective appearance in front of one of the bankrupted casinos.

Tonight is Donald Trump`s chance to respond to Hillary Clinton in Atlantic
City. We counted it, 17 seconds he made reference to Atlantic City.

Seventeen seconds with not any real defense about what Hillary Clinton said
there today. And instead –

WILSON: Right –

O`DONNELL: He spent all his time as we say, on Chuck Todd, on Saddam
Hussein, on the star of David, all of these things.

And that – and you saw him holding that piece of paper that he started the
speech with. He was holding that piece of paper with the FBI director`s
comments on it and you could tell, he couldn`t wait to get it out of his

He just couldn`t wait to get rid of that thing so that he could go do his
whatever you call that thing that he did –

WILSON: Exactly –

O`DONNELL: For 50 minutes.

WILSON: Lawrence, the guy has the attention span of a gnat on meth. This
is a guy who jumps from subject to subject to subject.

He has no discipline, he has no focus. There is something wrong with
Donald Trump`s thought process everyday where he`s got an opportunity to
litigate a political case against Hillary Clinton.

And he`s often in every other direction possible and in every other –
every other tangent possible when it comes down to talking about, you know,
mosquitoes flying around him.

And the guy has absolutely no personal discipline. It is – it is – it is
a terrifying prospect if you`re a Republican for the next couple of weeks.

You know, trying to wait and see what happens between now and the
convention. These delegates that are getting nervous right now at the

You know, they`ve been held in place by riots and the others. But they`re
thinking in themselves, what – how crazy is the show going to get every


WILSON: How nuts is Trump going to be tomorrow? –


O`DONNELL: Before we close the segment, “Wall Street Journal” reporting
tonight that the anti-Trump camp at the convention just needs the backing
of 28 of the 112 members of the Convention Rules Committee in order to get
a vote of the full convention on possibly –

WILSON: Right –

O`DONNELL: Unbinding the delegates. And they have calculated that there
is about 890 delegates who are loyal to Trump, 680 who oppose Trump and 900
delegates who are presumed to be in play.

Michael, according to the “Wall Street Journal” report tonight, there`s a

STEELE: There`s a possibility, but that`s going to be very hard, because
at the end of the day, because he is now in control of this convention and
the party, his people will stack on that committee.

So, that`s going to be tough. The RNC also – the people they put on there
are going to have to play with Donald Trump on this.

They can`t break from Trump. The RNC can`t do that. So, that combination
alone will put a squash – it`s going to be hard to get those 28 votes –

O`DONNELL: And I had trouble with following what Trump said tonight, but
Don King is not going to be on the committee, right? Don King –

STEELE: No, Don King –

O`DONNELL: He said Don King is going to be a speaker and –


Bobby Knight – Rick Wilson, Bobby Knight, is he on the committee or is he
a speaker – he`s a speaker –

STEELE: A speaker.

O`DONNELL: And then the family members are all speakers. Michael Steele -


O`DONNELL: And Rick Wilson, thank you both very much –

STEELE: You got it, buddy –

O`DONNELL: For joining us tonight –

STEELE: Thanks, Lawrence –

O`DONNELL: I really appreciate it, thank you. Up next, Hillary Clinton
goes to the Trump Taj Mahal and says there is one thing that you should
really listen to, one thing that Donald Trump says that everyone really
should believe.

And good Trump, bad Trump. Donald Trump`s son Eric usually plays good
Trump to Donald Trump`s bad Trump.

Today was a case of bad Trump, bad Trump. And we will have the latest in
that investigation in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, of the killing of Alton
Sterling by police.


O`DONNELL: We have breaking news tonight from Chris Hayes show. And Chris
Hayes interview with Bernie Sanders.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), VERMONT: I am also on record and will do
everything that I can, Chris, and I`m pretty a hard worker at these things,
to make sure that Donald Trump does not become president of the United
States of America.

Because that would be unmitigated disaster, not only for our country, but
for the world. So, I`m going to do that.

I think at the end of the day, there is going to be a coming together and
we`re going to go forward together and not only defeat Trump, but defeat
him badly.

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC: So that`s key. So, you`re not denying the reports
that there are talks about a possible endorsement?

SANDERS: That`s correct.


O`DONNELL: Up next, Hillary Clinton explores the ruins of the Trump Taj
Mahal in Atlantic City.


O`DONNELL: Donald Trump, the Casino operator sounded an awful lot like
Donald Trump the presidential candidate.


TRUMP: We`re going to make this hotel and casino and resort the most
successful in the world, by far. And I look forward to it, we love you.
You`re our family.


O`DONNELL: And a year later, just a year later, Donald Trump filed for
bankruptcy on that casino, that`s right. It only took him a year to run it
into the ground and that`s a story Hillary Clinton wants American voters to

That`s why she went to Atlantic City today and talked about the casino that
Donald Trump promised to make the most successful in the world and then ran
it into bankruptcy a year later.


CLINTON: Donald Trump says he`s qualified to be president because of his
business record. Here is an important thing about how Donald Trump

He doesn`t default and go bankrupt as a last resort, he does it over and
over again on purpose. Even though he knows he will leave others empty-
handed while he keeps the plane, the helicopter, the penthouse.


O`DONNELL: One of the people that Donald Trump left empty-handed was
invited to join Hillary Clinton at the microphone today.

Martin Rosenberg said that Donald Trump refused to pay him for work done
installing glass panels at the Trump Taj Mahal.


TRUMP TAJ MAHAL: I am here today to help ensure that this sort of
manipulation of people by Trump will not continue on a national stage.



O`DONNELL: Hillary Clinton did say that there is one thing that Donald
Trump says that everyone should believe.


CLINTON: And remember, remember what he promised – I am going to do for
the country what I did for my business.


Well, we should believe him and make sure he never has the chance to
bankrupt America the way he bankrupted his businesses.



O`DONNELL: Joining us now, David Cay Johnston, Pulitzer prize-winning
journalist who has been reporting on the Trump empire for years, he`s now a
columnist with the “Daily Beast”.

David, the story of Donald Trump in Atlantic City is the one that Hillary
Clinton really wants to –


O`DONNELL: Drill home to people. I got to say, I learned something today.
I didn`t realize that he managed to bankrupt casinos that fast.

JOHNSTON: Yes, Donald overpaid for the Taj, he didn`t pay hundreds of
contractors. I was covering Atlantic City at the time for the
“Philadelphia Inquirer”.

A number of these businesses folded or were in very dire straits and had to
get rid of their workers. He mismanaged the business all the way through.

Donald came to Atlantic City and saw essentially a gold mine, he took all
the gold that he could and then he left the tailings for everybody else.

There are other operators still there who are successfully running casinos
because they know how to actually run a business that`s sustainable.

O`DONNELL: Let`s listen to more about what Hillary Clinton said about what
this shows about the way Donald Trump would work as president.


CLINTON: This seems to be his one move. He makes over-the-top promises
and says if people trust him, put their faith in him, he`ll deliver for

He`ll make them wildly successful. Then everything falls apart, people get
hurt, and Donald gets paid.

I want you to understand what he did here in Atlantic City is exactly what
he will do if he wins in November. Step one, give a huge tax cut to
millionaires like himself.

Step two, add trillions to our national debt. Step three, he suggested we
could just default on our national debt like he defaulted on his business

It is the same scam over and over again.


O`DONNELL: David, I`m not sure if people understand how a businessman can
repeatedly do this kind of bankruptcy without apparently affecting his
personal finances in a negative way.

JOHNSTON: Well, because Donald is so litigious, remember he`s had about
3,500 lawsuits filed against him.

That people who foolishly bought his stocks and loaned him money, bankers,
realized that it was better to make a deal with him than to be caught up in
more litigation.

He was able to borrow money for his casino business which was then used to
pay off personal debts of his. And by the way, there weren`t four
bankruptcies, there were six.

Two of them occurred after Donald was effectively paid to go away, but they
were cleaning up the mess that he had left.

So, let`s keep in mind that it was his business that went through six
bankruptcies, four of them while he was in control, two of them after he
had left the caucus.

O`DONNELL: And David, he offered in his rambling talk tonight no defense
whatsoever against any of the charges that Hillary Clinton made today in
Atlantic City.

JOHNSTON: Well, that`s not surprising because Donald does not think in
policy terms. Donald`s approach to everything is to bring money to him and
there`s no sophisticated business analysis by Donald.

Other people were running casinos in ways that I found incredibly
impressive in terms of their understanding of customers, how to coax more
money out of them without driving them away.

Donald has no understanding of anything like that. And many of the casino
executives used to tell me these stories about how he didn`t know anything.

He didn`t even understand how the games worked. And when he lured the
biggest gambler in the world to his casino, gambling at the rate of $14
million an hour, Donald was so terrified that he would lose money, he paid
someone to watch the game.

Which was absurd. And by the way, he did lose money because the guy didn`t
pay off his markers, that`s his debt, and was murdered.

O`DONNELL: Wow, got to get the book. David Cay Johnston`s new book is
called “The Making of Donald Trump”.

David, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it.

JOHNSTON: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Up next, today was Eric Trump`s turn to attack a reporter
trying to do his job and Eric Trump did his father proud with a profanity-
laced tirade to the “Washington Post”.



Come up, Eric, come up. I`ll introduce Eric Trump. Eric Trump did an
unbelievable job. He`s doing an unbelievable job.


O`DONNELL: Eric Trump then spoke for a full 36 seconds tonight on the
stage in Cincinnati, just enough time to tell us how much he loves his dad.
It was a polite, soft spoken turn at the microphone for Eric Trump.

But he sounded a lot more like his father`s son when he called “The
Washington Post” today and said this about David Fahrenthold, who has been
reporting on Donald Trump`s charitable giving.

Eric Trump began his angry outburst on the phone by invoking the name of
Jesus Christ in something other than religious reverence saying, “Why is
this guy trying to f—ing kill us?”

That guy, David Fahrenthold joins us now. David, tell us what led to that
phone call today.

trying to figure out when Donald Trump, before this big million dollar gift
to veterans in May, when he had last given any of his own money to charity.

And so Eric called a whole bunch of charities, more than 200 trying to find
any evidence that Trump is given that many of his own money. Eric Trump
runs a charity, the Eric Trump Foundation.

I`ve been trying to figure out or maybe if Donald Trump gave money to
anyone he gave it to his son`s foundation. So I`ve been pressing Eric
Trump and the Eric Trump Foundation for details and, in fact, it found sort
of the opposite.

In tax filing it appeared that the Eric Trump Foundation had actually paid
$88,000 to his dad`s golf course over the last year. So it was that cover
that led Eric Trump to call me today.

O`DONNELL: So, what is the money that goes into the Eric Trump Foundation?
Is that Eric Trump`s money? Does he take contributions to his foundation
from other people?

FAHRENTHOLD: The Eric Trump foundation is basically funded by golf
tournaments that are held at Trump golf courses and the money that comes in
from the players is given – the proceeds go almost all to St. Jude, the
Children`s Research Hospital in Memphis.

O`DONNELL: So almost all to St. Jude`s, but some of it gets paid out to
some Donald Trump enterprises.

FAHRENTHOLD: That`s right. If you look at the tax filings for 2014, they
have to declare in their tax filings when they`ve spent money and given a
lot of money to a property that`s owned by a relative of Eric Trump.

And so they said, “Look, we spend $88,000 as a fee charge to use Donald
Trump`s course in Leon County. Virginia. Eric Trump took issue with that.
He said that actually what the description that was in those tax filings
which is accounted and prepared was not accurate and we were wrong to
report it. And so he`s calling to complain about that.

O`DONNELL: So, you`re searching for any charitable giving that Donald
Trump has actually done, and the Eric Trump Foundation was just one spot to
look. What have you found in your global search for Donald Trump
charitable giving anywhere?

FAHRENTHOLD: Called 209 charities now and these are charities that have
some tie to Donald Trump. He`s praised them. He`s talked about them in
his books. He`s appeared at their galas. He`s hosted their galas.

I found one donation between 2008 and this may – one donation out of
trump`s own pocket that was in 2009 it was less – for less than $10,000.
And I`m not entirely sure it`s real. It might be a bookkeeping error.

O`DONNELL: David Fahrenthold, might be a bookkeeping error. We will leave
it there for tonight. David, thank you very much for joining us tonight.


O`DONNELL: Coming up, it was a fact moving day in Baton Rouge today.
Community leaders and love ones making emotional statements about the death
of Alton Sterling in a shooting by police. That was followed by a quick
response from the governor today and the Justice Department announcing the
Justice Department is taking over that investigation.


O`DONNELL: The vice presidential nomination has become the hot potato of
Republican politics. Two senators just felt how hot it was today and
tossed it away.

Senator Bob Corker and Senator Joni Ernst both came to their senses and
said they would like their name withdrawn from consideration for Donald
Trump`s running mate, which was unbelievable good news for the always
available Newt Gingrich who campaigned with Donald Trump today. And Donald
Trump said today that Newt Gingrich would be involved in his administration

And Chris Christie, of course, is thrilled that the senators dropped out.
Chris Christie knows he could never survive the senate confirmation process
for attorney general, and so V.P. is Chris Christie`s only hope for getting
to hang around with President Trump. Here`s how it looks of the campaign
trail today.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boardwalk takedown – Hillary Clinton delivering a
scathing review of Donald Trump`s business practices.

front of the old Trump plaza. Donald Trump once predicted it will be the
biggest hit yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s had a lifetime of creating jobs.

CLINTON: Now it`s abandon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lifetime of building buildings.

CLINTON: What in the world happen here?

TRUMP: After we left, it went down the tubes, but that can happen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She, of course, trying very hard to undermine his
credentials on the economy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This afternoon, not one, but two people being vetted
as possible vice presidents both taking themselves out of consideration.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who does that leave?

TRUMP: I`m not saying its Newt, but if it`s Newt, nobody is going to be
beat him in those debates. That`s for sure.

Hillary Clinton said there was nothing more classified on my e-mails.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s what she`s up against. That`s the history.

TRUMP: I heard it, you heard it, we all heard it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After the FBI recommendation yesterday, how did you
feel about it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A kind of relieved. I just think it`s overblown.

TRUMP: These are all lies. We say lie, lie, lie, lie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know if my vote would be for Trump, but it
definitely takes Hillary off the table.

TRUMP: I`m just tweeting with the star. It`s a star. Could have been a
sheriff`s star? Could have been a regular star? They`re racially
profiling. They`re profiling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that`s the wrong thing to say. So that definitely
one of those things – again, we got to make sure you`re saying it the
right way.



O`DONNELL: You`re looking at a live shot of the scene of that store in
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where Alton Sterling was killed by police.

Hillary Clinton released a statement tonight on this case, which the
Justice Department is now investigating.

Hillary Clinton said, “Too many African-American families mourn the loss of
a loved one from a police-involved incident. Something is profoundly wrong
when so many Americans have reason to believe that our country doesn`t
consider them as precious as others because of the color of their skin. I
am glad the Department of Justice has agreed to a full and thorough review
of this shooting. All over America, there are police officers
demonstrating how to protect the public without resorting to unnecessary
force. We need to learn from and build on those examples.”

We will have the latest on the investigation after a break.


O`DONNELL: This is a live shot at the scene at the store in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, where Alton Sterling was shot by police. That`s the situation
there tonight.

The Department of Justice will lead the investigation into that shooting.
Police have not released dash cam video or police body cam video of the
incident but two cell phone videos have become public. These videos show
the shooting from two different angles.

The first was posted yesterday on Facebook. It shows two police officers
tackling Alton Sterling and wrestling him to the ground early yesterday
morning outside of that store. Then an officer can be heard shouting he`s
got a gun. And then one of the officers unholesters his weapon and we hear
shots fired on that video.

Police say the incident occurred after the two officers responded to a 911
caller who reported someone matching Alton Sterling`s description
threatening someone with a gun.

Today, a second cell phone video recorded by the convenience store owner
shows another angle with a much closer look at what happened.

Now, I must warn you that this video we`re about to show you is much more
disturbing than the one you just saw. If you watch this video, if you
choose to watch it, you will see a man being shot and killed. This is
deeply disturbing to watch. It is also crucial and absolutely necessary
evidence in understanding what happened there.

You can proceed with this story without watching this, but I just wanted to
let you know that this video, which is crucial evidence, is a very
difficult thing to watch. Here it is.




O`DONNELL: Well, apparently we edited the video, so it`s different from
what I saw before, which includes more movement and more shots fired while
Alton Sterling is lying flat on his back and police officers seem to be –
and removed from his body at that point.

The Coroner`s preliminary autopsy report says Alton Sterling suffered
multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and the back. He died at the scenes.

This up-close stills from the store owner`s video shows an officer taking
something out of Alton Sterling`s right pocket after the shooting. The
store owner says it was a gun. Police have not confirmed that.

The mother of Alton Sterling`s 15-year-old son read an emotional statement
this morning.


involved in his murder took away a man with children who depended upon
their daddy on a daily basis.

My son is not the youngest. He is the oldest of his siblings. He is 15
years old. He has to watch this and this was put all over the outlets and
everything that was possible to be shown.

As a mother, I have now been forced to raise a son who is going to remember
what happened to his father that I can`t take away from him. He is at an
age of understanding. I hurt more for him and his loss.

As a parent, one of the greatest feels is to see your child hurt and know
there is nothing you can do about it. What I saw last night from the real
citizens of Baton Rouge will forever warm my heart.

We offer a complete community of individuals who will carry this burden and
also say it together to ensure that this event will not go unjustice.


MCMILLON: It will not go unnoticed, especially for the future.


O`DONNELL: Both of the officers involved in the shooting are on
administrative leave pending the investigation.

NBC`s Gabe Gutierrez spoke with the store owner who recorded some of the
video you just saw.


GABE GUTIERREZ, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Was he acting aggressive in any
way towards his officers?

ABDULLAH MUFLAHI, STORE OWNER MANAGER: He just wanted to know what was
going on and why are they, you know, why are they coming arresting him. He
was asking them, “What I do wrong?” You know, “What`s going on? What I do
wrong? Why are you messing with me?”

GUTIERREZ: You said that you saw the officers removed a weapon from him.

MUFLAHI: Out of his pocket after they shot him.

GUTIERREZ: Out of his pocket.

MUFLAHI: Yeah, out of his pocket, yes.

GUTIERREZ: At any point, did you see Mr. Sterling reach for that gun or
threaten the officers with that gun?

MUFLAHI: No. No. He – there were on top of him. I don`t think there`s
any way that he would have reached for it.


O`DONNELL: We`ll have more on this case after a break.



GOV. JOHN BEL EDWARDS, (D) LOUISIANA: The footage that I observed of the
video that was made available, I have very serious concerns. The video is
disturbing, to say the least. There should be no doubt in anybody`s mind
that this incident is going to be investigated impartially, professionally
and thoroughly by the United States Department of Justice Civil Rights


O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Marq Claxton, Director of the Black Law
Enforcement Alliance and a retired NYPD detective. Also, Maya Lau,
Criminal Justice Reporter at the Baton Rouge Advocate.

Maya, it was a very fast moving day in Baton Rouge today. We saw that the
beginning with the news conference of loved ones of Mr. Sterling along with
community leaders. Very quickly after that, suddenly the Governor is out
there and suddenly the Justice Department investigation. Tell us how it
all unfolded today.

MAYA LAU, REPORTER, BATON ROUGE ADVOCATE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear your

O`DONNELL: Maya, the situation in – unfolded very quickly today with the

LAU: Yeah.

O`DONNELL: . with this news conferences that kept following each other.
Did you know that these things were going to happen in this sequence that
the Governor was going to come out and speak, that the Justice Department
was going to make this announcement?

LAU: No, absolutely not. I think it was a surprise. There was a lot of
suspense since last night unto what the police were going to do, what the
police were going to say, if they were going to release the names of the

So, the fact that – so quickly that the U.S. Department of Justice was
brought in came as somewhat of a surprise, although it seemed like there
was a coordinated effort on the part of local law enforcement. Everybody
agreed that that was the best thing to do.

O`DONNELL: Marq Claxton, the network standards edited the second video we
showed, which is a very disturbing video and so it doesn`t show the
gunshots moment and also it doesn`t show what I think at this stage is one
of the most important pieces of evidence in the case and that is the way
the police officers found the gun in Mr. Sterling`s pocket.

When I heard that they found a gun, what I wanted to know was, how long
after they shot did they find the gun? And I think you know why I`d want
to know that because that goes to the question of could the gun be planted,
that sort of thing.

But what the video shows very clearly, without the video being cut or
edited in any way, what it shows very clearly is immediately after the
shots were fired, immediately after the shooting started, one of the
officers stepped forward, reached right into that pocket and without any
cut in the video pulled out what appears to be a gun.

I mean, I`ve seen the video that you`re referencing in its entirety. It`s
a longer version and it`s extremely graphic and painful and difficult to

And I concur with you, that the weapon was found immediately after the
discharge of the police with their firearm. And I think in large part much
of what the frustration and pain and anguish and anger that is being
expressed is based on historical precedence. And what the actor Jesse
Williams talked about, the inability of police to de-escalate this on and
not kill black people during these interactions themselves, very disturbing
and troubling.

So, people are reacting not only for Mr. Sterling, but what they`re seeing
is Walter Scott and Tamir Rice and Eric Garner, et cetera, and reacting
with little faith and confidence and policing and that`s a sad state of
affairs that we find ourselves in right now.

O`DONNELL: Maya, does the police department – we lost our connection to
Maya at the scene there.

Marq, based on what we know about it, what`s your analysis of the tactics
that we are aware of at this stage that the police used? They had a
suspect – call about a suspect with a gun and they chose to physically
move in on him and in effect kind of tackled him as opposed to standing off
at some distance possibly with their weapons drawn and giving him orders
from a distance.

CLAXTON: What would be very helpful in analyzing the tactics would be the
40 seconds or minute prior to the actual physical contact and I think
people need to be aware that the second video that you referenced and
played part of actually shows the moment of initial contact by the police

And there lies many of the problems that occur, not only that have occurred
and not only in this shooting, that deal with Mr. Sterling, but other
situations involved in the discharge of firearms by police, and that is you
have to question whether or not you have officer created jeopardy in some
of these circumstances.

And by that, I mean where the officers, due to possibly using bad tactics
or whatever preconceived notions they might have actually create the
environment for them to be required to use deadly physical force.

And that speaks directly to the issue of the necessity for police officers
across the nation to focus more on de-escalation, to focus more on service,
to focus more on help as opposed to what we have now in the current climate
across the nation and that is a more militarized, more warrior mindset in
police agency.

So bad tactics can cause lives and good tactics often times will save lives
and that includes police officers.

O`DONNELL: Marq Claxton, really appreciated joining us.

CLAXTON: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: I also want to thank Maya, who we lost. We had a connection
with her in Baton Rouge.

That is the LAST WORD. Chris Hayes is up next.


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