The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Transcript 6/20/2016

Guests:
Chris Murphy, Steve Lonegan, Ken Vogel, Clay Aiken, Lis Smith, Ed Goeas, Gen. Wesley Clark
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Show: THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL
Date: June 20, 2016
Guest: Chris Murphy, Steve Lonegan, Ken Vogel, Clay Aiken, Lis Smith, Ed
Goeas, Gen. Wesley Clark


RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: That does it for us tonight, we will see you
again – going to do it by magic. I don`t know.

Everything to watch for is that, by midnight tonight, Bernie Sanders also
has the same deadline to release his fundraising and his cash on hand
numbers.

But these numbers from the Trump campaign are absolutely devastating. That
does it for us tonight, we will see you again tomorrow, now it`s time for
THE LAST WORD with Lawrence O`Donnell. Good evening Lawrence.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST, THE LAST WORD: Hi, Rachel, you know, when Donald
Trump first started making noises about five years ago about running for
president, the very first thing I had to say was he cannot afford it.

This talk about I can pay for my own campaign. It was always clear to
people who had taken closer looks at the Trump money pyramid, the pyramid
was much smaller than people thought.

And there was no way, no way he could afford a presidential campaign.
That`s why I think we`re seeing the numbers we`re seeing tonight.

MADDOW: These numbers are stunning. I mean, the fact that he only funded
himself $45,000 for the entire last month, that`s one thing, but to only
have a million dollars cash on hand in June when you`re the nominee, I
don`t even – my eyes deceive me, this is crazy –

O`DONNELL: Yes, well, more to come.

MADDOW: Yes, thanks, Lawrence, appreciate it –

O`DONNELL: Thank you, Rachel. It was a day of big wins for Democrats.
The implosion of the Trump campaign was continued good news for Democrats
with Donald Trump finally firing the campaign manager that no one else ever
would have hired.

And that action reportedly required an intervention by Donald Trump`s
children to get Donald Trump to do the right thing.

And then there were the votes in the Senate today on gun control. Votes
that the Democrats lost, but the legislative history of the Senate is
filled with very big wins, important wins that took many years with many
lost votes on those long roads to those big wins.

The senator who forced the Senate to vote today, Chris Murphy will join us.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, here we go again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senate Republicans should be embarrassed, but of course
they`re not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Democratic leadership is trying to turn this
tragedy into another debate about guns.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re not embarrassed because the NRA is happy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And these bad guys we`re facing, they don`t say, oh,
gosh, they passed a law, oh, gosh, I don`t think I can do it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The power of the gun lobby over certain members of
the Senate seems boundless.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we`re doing with this debate on the Hill right
now, it`s like they`re trying to stop a freight train with a piece of clean

SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL (D), CONNECTICUT: Shame on you.

SEN. CHRIS MURPHY (D), CONNECTICUT: Republicans know they are on the wrong
side of the electorate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We may have lost today, but we will not give up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People deserve to be safe at work, safe at school, at
a movie theater and yes, at a night club.

SEN. BILL NELSON (D), FLORIDA: What am I going to tell 49 grieving
families? What am I going to tell the community of Orlando? Sadly, what I`m
going to have to tell them is the NRA won again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Orlando rehearsed, think about that. Orlando rehearsed, that`s
why so many lives were saved.

Orlando rehearsed it. And they did it just in time. Just a few months
ago, the Orlando Regional Medical Center did what hospitals are doing all
over the country, they rehearsed what to do when a mass murderer sends
dozens of shooting victims to the emergency room.

Fifty agencies including the FBI participated in Orlando`s rehearsal of
what they call an active shooter scenario just three months ago.

That`s the country we live in. We rehearse active shooter`s scenarios, not
as a just in case, we don`t rehearse active shooter`s scenarios just in
case they happen.

We rehearse active shooter`s scenarios because we know they are going to
happen and they`re going to happen again and again.

We know they`re going to happen because government is doing nothing to stop
them. Nothing to even slightly reduce the likelihood of the next active
shooter scenario.

Nothing to make it even slightly more difficult for the next crazy person,
the next terrorist to buy a weapon of mass destruction over the counter in
minutes in the United States.

We know it`s going to happen again, the only thing we don`t know is who`s
next? The only thing we don`t know is which emergency room is going to have
to swing into action for how many wounded.

And so we rehearse. Rehearsal for an active shooter scenario is the newest
necessary element in continuing medical education for doctors and nurses in
a country where access to weapons of mass murder is out of control, and
that is not the country that Chris Murphy wants to live in.

The country that rehearses what to do when our next mass murderer opens
fire. And so, last week, the junior senator from Connecticut took a stand
because he simply couldn`t take it anymore.

This is what heroism looks like in America.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s over, it`s over! Cleveland is the city of
champions once again. The Cavaliers are NBA champions – the emotions for
LeBron James who delivers on his promise to come home and bring a
championship.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: That`s what I thought heroism looked like when I was a kid.
Real heroism comes in many forms.

We saw that in Orlando, doctors, nurses, police officers, friends and
strangers, heroically saving people`s lives.

If you look for heroism in Washington, you have to be very patient, you
have to be willing to wait for it years and years and more years.

An act is not heroic if anyone can do it or if anyone would do it. Here`s
how heroic in Senate terms, Chris Murphy`s filibuster last week for gun
control legislation was.

No one had ever done it, not for gun control. And when Chris Murphy
started it, no one thought anything would come of it.

After almost 15 hours standing on the Senate floor, he won a concession
from the Senate leadership that there would be votes today on gun control
legislation.

Here`s what he said just before the votes today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MURPHY: I know what that community is going through. And I believe that
for all of the scarring, psychological harm that comes with losing a loved
one or a neighbor, more harm is piled on when you find out that the people
that you elected to run your country just don`t care.

I urge the adoption of the Murphy and the Feinstein amendment, and I thank
you for your time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Chris Murphy didn`t win the roll call votes in the Senate
today. Here`s what Florida`s Democratic Senator Bill Nelson said after the
votes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NELSON: What am I going to tell 49 grieving families? What am I going to
tell the families of those that are still in the hospital fighting for
their lives?

What am I going to tell the community of Orlando that is trying to come
together in the healing? Sadly, what I`m going to have to tell them is the
NRA won again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: What Senator Murphy can also tell those people is that he won`t
give up. Senator Nelson can tell those people that Chris Murphy and he
won`t give up.

He can tell those people that government-subsidized health insurance was
one of the big pieces of unfinished business in Franklin Delano Roosevelt`s
White House.

He can tell them that Harry Truman pushed for a federal health insurance
program in his presidency and got nothing.

He can tell them that 15 years and three presidents after Truman, Medicare
and Medicaid were passed in 1965, Harry Truman was at the bill signing for
Medicare with President Johnson.

And Harry Truman then became the first official enrollee in Medicare.
President Nixon then proposed a health insurance bill that would extend
coverage to people under 65 who couldn`t afford health insurance.

It was defeated in Congress by liberals who believed they could pass a
better bill and then they never did.

Bill and Hillary Clinton took up the cause of health insurance reform in
1994 but were unable to get their bill to a vote on the house floor or the
Senate floor.

And then on March 23rd, 2010, President Obama signed the kind of healthcare
reform legislation that some people in Washington had been pushing since
the Roosevelt presidency, 77 years before.

It took 77 years, and for decades the senators who pushed healthcare reform
were considered by many in Washington to be dreamers.

Most years they couldn`t even get a committee hearing on their bills. And
decades would go by without them even getting a vote in a committee but
because they never gave up, their day came, and the United States Senate
and in the House of Representatives, and so, there was a bill signing at
the White House.

If the history of legislation in Congress teaches us anything, we know that
there will be a bill signing on some of Chris Murphy`s proposals on gun
legislation.

We just don`t know when. This year, next year, 10 years from now, 20 years
from now. Twenty years from now, Chris Murphy will be 62 years old, which
is still young for a senator.

But if Chris Murphy is still in the Senate 20 years from now, he will
surely be a master of the Senate by then, and he will surely get something
done on gun control because he simply will not give up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MURPHY: We`re not giving up. The American people aren`t giving up. I
will tell you this. They are simply evidence of the fact that Republicans
know they are on the wrong side of the electorate.

Democracy doesn`t allow for this place to be this far out of step with 90
percent of Americans.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Shortly after the votes today, Ohio`s Republican Senator Rob
Portman said this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. ROB PORTMAN (R), OHIO: I rise to simply commend the cast for an
outstanding performance and really a gutsy performance throughout the
entire series.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Rob Portman was on the winning side of the votes today and so
hospitals in his state of Ohio will continue to rehearse.

They will continue to rehearse the active shooter scenario. Ohio hospitals
will rehearse for the day their emergency rooms get filled up with victims
of a mass murderer using an assault weapon that today their senator made
sure would remain easily available.

Joining us now, Senator Chris Murphy, the junior Democratic senator from
Connecticut. Senator, thank you very much for joining us tonight.

MURPHY: Thanks for having me, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: I have a suggestion that came in for you today to me via
Twitter from Francis Haywood(ph), and I just want to put it up on the
screen.

And Francis suggested gun registration reform – new name. They`ll never
notice. Maybe it`s in the semantics senator, gun registration reform. Why
don`t we start there?

MURPHY: Well, you know, we needed to start somewhere. I mean, what was so
offensive to me and so many others at the beginning of this week is that,
coming off of the worst mass shooting in the history of this country.

The Senate was going to effectively act as if it didn`t happen. They were
just going to totally completely ignore it and just go on and debate that
Commerce Department`s funding bill.

And there`s a lot of heavy hearts around here, and you know, I`ll take that
suggestion, we`re going to try to figure out new ways to push this forward
and maybe that means new messaging.

But there are also a lot of people who feel like we made a difference, who
feel like in standing up over the course of Wednesday and Wednesday night,
that there were millions of people that paid attention and may not have
paid attention to this issue.

We`ve scrambled the Republicans, as we speak, trying to figure out a way
out of this, to try to bring another bill to the floor later this week that
gets them well from their negative votes tonight.

And I think that we have shown a light on the possibility of what political
action can bring.

We didn`t get votes in our favor, but we did get Republicans on record once
again standing against 90 percent of their constituents, and there will be
a price to pay at the electorate eventually.

Maybe this election, maybe the election after that, but we did some good
things amidst a lot of the folks who are very disappointed by the outcome
tonight.

O`DONNELL: And it sounds like you may be moving to a deal, a possible vote
that would actually succeed sooner than any of us may be anticipated. I
want to listen to what Mitch McConnell said on the Senate floor today about
this. Let`s listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY), MAJORITY LEADER, SENATE: No one wants
terrorists to be able to buy guns or explosives. No one.

Instead of using this as an opportunity to push a partisan agenda or craft
the next 30-second campaign ad, colleagues like Senator Clark(ph) and
Senator Grassley are pursuing real solutions that can help keep Americans
safer from the threat of terrorism.


They are approaching this serious topic and a serious and constitutional
way. Serious solutions, that`s what the American people now demand more
than ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Senator, that sounds like a majority leader who knows they have
to appear, at minimum, appear to be taking this seriously and working on it
and that`s a new turn of events in the Senate.

MURPHY: Well, and underneath those statements is work being done as we
speak by Susan Collins and Martin Heinrich and a handful of other
Republicans and Democrats to try to find a bill that could come to the
floor that could get 60 votes that would stop people on the terrorist
watchlist from getting guns.

But let`s call out Senator McConnell for a second here. I mean, they`ve
had six months since San Bernardino, since this bill failed in December to
work out a compromise.

They didn`t even try to find common ground. Senator Cornyn`s measure isn`t
common ground. It`s a bill that`s effectively written by the gun lobby to
try to give cover for people who are opposing the measure that actually
would keep terrorists off the watch list.

So, serious legislating especially when you`re the majority leader of the
United States Senate. It involves trying to actively seek common ground.

They`ve done none of this, and maybe if they`d spent a little bit of time,
trying to get Republicans and Democrats together around this common purpose
that he claims, we wouldn`t be in this situation that we were tonight.

Maybe we can figure out this compromise in the coming hours and days, but
it will take Senator McConnell doing more than going down to the floor and
making a statement.

He`s actually got to be in the room trying to work it out.

O`DONNELL: Donald Trump sounded at first like the first Republican to come
out and say we have to do something, he said that in a tweet where he said
he would talk to the NRA about it.

He`s apparently abandoned doing anything about this. Let`s listen to him
tonight with Bill O`Reilly.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS: Would you put any limits on what you can and
can`t buy?

DONALD TRUMP, CHAIRMAN & PRESIDENT, TRUMP ORGANIZATIONS & FOUNDER, TRUMP
ENTERTAINMENT RESORTS: On the guns, I wouldn`t, because again, it`s a
question of protection, and also once you start, where do you end? Where do
you end?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: So, senator, his brief moment out of the NRA`s pockets seemed
uncomfortable and he`s rushed back inside there.

He`s just word-for-word NRA now.

MURPHY: Well, and remember what he actually said. He actually said that
he was going to negotiate the bill with the NRA.

I mean, just advertising to everybody that he was going to negotiate
national security policy with the gun lobby rather than with – you know,
say, terrorism.

Experts of people who know what they`re talking about. And of course, over
the weekend, he took a position that was more extreme than the NRA itself
which I thought was impossible by suggesting that the real way to stop
nightclub shootings was to make sure that everybody in those night clubs is
both drinking and armed with AR-15s.

So, you know, this guy has had a very bad week, it`s gotten worse day-by-
day, and when you are so far to the right on this issue that you`ve out-
flanked the National Rifle Association, then you`re in a pretty bad spot.

O`DONNELL: Senator, what you`re trying to do is such a heavy lift
legislatively. I think everybody knows that. But there`s another piece
that I want to ask about.

And that is, what does it feel like to do this in a news environment where
everybody out there says, oh, it`s impossible.

By this, I mean, commentators, and including commentators who want it to
happen. The very first thing they will say, whether the newspaper or is it
television, anywhere is – oh, it`s completely impossible.

That`s the spirit of the news media that follows this.

MURPHY: Well, I think you hit the nail on the head, I mean, you`re talking
about healthcare reform.

And – but the fact is that, every single great change movement in this
country is not defined by its success, it`s defined by its failures.

Right, the ones that never happened were the ones that packed up and went
home the first time that they hit an obstacle or a brick wall.

Everything meaningful that`s happened in this country, from healthcare
reform to gay marriage failed dozens of times before it succeeded.

Now, I`m not planning that I`ll be around here for 77 years, but it took 10
years from the attempted assassination attempt of President Reagan to the
passage of the Brady handgun bill.

I certainly have ten years to get this done. And so, listen, we forced the
issue because we thought that we have the American people on our side even
if we didn`t have all the political pundits.

And that proved to be true, there are more people out there who are plugged
into this issue now because they watched a little snippet of what we did on
Wednesday or they followed us online.

And in the end that will be what helps deliver us victory.

O`DONNELL: Senator Chris Murphy, thank you very much for joining us
tonight, really appreciate it –

MURPHY: Thanks, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Thank you. Coming up, Donald Trump fires the campaign manager
that he never should have hired and even that took an intervention by the
Trump family to get him to do it.

And in the war room tonight, the Clinton campaign major ad-buy against the
Trump campaign but cannot afford to buy any TV ads at this point.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

O`DONNELL: So, the Trump family got together this morning and just like
old times, they fired someone, just like they used to do on TV. That`s
next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I know it would be very easy for me to discard people. I don`t
discard people, I stay with people. That`s why I stay with this country.

That`s why I stay with a lot of people that are treated unfairly. And
that`s one of the reasons I`m the frontrunner by a lot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: That was back when he was under pressure to fire Corey
Lewandowski for that little assault thing that happened at one of his
campaign events.

But he used to make discarding people look so easy, so natural for him.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Bret, you`ve been a winner, you are a winner, you`re great, Bret,
you`re fired. I`m sorry, go, thank you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: I`m sorry, go, thank you. I mean, just all the time, nothing
to it. He could do it, you know, in his sleep. And today, it was I`m
sorry, go, thank you time in real life at the campaign.

Donald Trump fired his campaign manager who had never run a presidential
campaign. A campaign manager that no one else in presidential politics
ever would have fired.

It took Donald Trump well over a year to realize just how incompetent his
rookie campaign manager was, which doesn`t exactly speak well for Donald
Trump`s personnel skills as president.

Almost 12 weeks after Corey Lewandowski was charged with battery at a Trump
campaign event, a first ever for a presidential campaign manager, Donald
Trump figured out that someone else, anyone else could run a better
campaign than Corey Lewandowski.

And so the most recent victim of Donald Trump`s favorite word “you`re
fired” did some interviews today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you sign a nondisclosure agreement with the
campaign where you were compensated for your departure?

COREY LEWANDOWSKI, POLITICAL CAMPAIGNER: You know, that`s internal
politics that nobody really cares about.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Yes, that`s really the only thing we care about when it comes
to these interviews, because it has been widely reported that everyone
including volunteers in the Trump campaign signed confidentiality
agreements that forbid them for life from ever saying anything negative
about Donald Trump.

Corey Lewandowski`s interviews today proceeded as if that confidentiality
agreement was in full force.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you surprised this morning when this happened?

LEWANDOWSKI: I don`t know if it`s so much of a surprise. Again, I want to
say how honored I am to be part of this team, and it`s been such a
privilege to be part of the team.

And I will support Donald Trump in any endeavor he has. If I can play a
role in this campaign, whether it`s formal or informal, that would be an
honor for me to have, and I can tell you that it`s been such an honor and a
privilege to be part of this from the beginning.

So, it`s been great.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Joining us now, Steve Lonegan, a spokesman for the Courageous
Conservatives PAC and former New Jersey state director for the Cruz
campaign.

Also with us, Ken Vogel; chief investigative reporter for “Politico”.
Steve, how is the dump Trump movement feeling today and is there new energy
to that possibility at the convention?

STEVE LONEGAN, SPOKESMAN, COURAGEOUS CONSERVATIVES PAC & FORMER NEW JERSEY
STATE DIRECTOR FOR TED CRUZ CAMPAIGN: There`s a lot of new energy at that
possibility, but I do want to say that I know Corey Lewandowski personally.

I worked with him for five years in Americans for Prosperity, he`s a very
good manager and a good people person. And he`s a scapegoat for a failed
campaign –

O`DONNELL: Well, just for quick parenthesis, would you ever have hired him
to run his very first presidential campaign? –

LONEGAN: Somebody always runs their very first presidential campaign in
every single cycle. Very few people run more than one presidential
campaign in their whole life time.

Corey has a lot of background, he`s a very good manager. Campaign tone and
its culture is set by the candidate, not the campaign manager.

Corey Lewandowski delivered a primary for Donald Trump so far, anyway, and
now he`s been thrown under the bus as a scapegoat for a campaign that`s in
chaos.

Not because of Corey Lewandowski, because of the failures of Donald Trump.

O`DONNELL: So, what about dump Trump at the convention?

LONEGAN: Donald Trump, I do not see being the nominee for the Republican
Party.

O`DONNELL: Really?

LONEGAN: Yes, we`ve launched this movement two weeks ago, its exploding
every single day, you`re seeing it across the spectrum, on the internet, in
the media.

Delegates are coming to us every single hour, joining the effort. They`re
realizing that Donald Trump doesn`t have the – the polling numbers are a
disaster.

His fundraising is just a joke. His messaging is absurd. He`s made it
clear over the last weekend that he doesn`t need the Republican Party to
win.

He actually said that. And his movement is growing, and it`s the – it is
the moral obligation of the delegates of this convention to make sure we
nominate the candidate that`s best suited, not just to defeat Hillary
Clinton but to advance the principles of the Republican Party.

Donald Trump is not advancing those principles. Look, there`s another
thing I want to talk about firing of my good friend Corey Lewandowski.

One, the opposite ends of this political battle, that`s business. Whenever
you see the family move into a campaign, I don`t care if it`s the local
mayor`s race, Congressional race.

When the kids and the wife get involved, that`s a big problem. That`s the
sign of a candidate in chaos, a campaign in chaos. And that`s what you`re
seeing in the Trump campaign right now.

O`DONNELL: Ken Vogel, it conjures the image of the kids in the Oval Office
when the big decisions have to be made –

KEN VOGEL, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, POLITICO: Sure does –

LONEGAN: Yes –

O`DONNELL: You know, how many weeks of intervening with Donald will it
take to get the right decision.

VOGEL: Yes, I mean, obviously, the kids were involved, but the kids had
always been involved, and the kids had long had grievances with Corey
Lewadowski.

They thought that he wasn`t giving Donald Trump good advice, they thought
that he wasn`t willing to stand up to him and challenge some of his
instincts.

Some of his sort of gut impulses for confrontational rhetoric that have
gotten him in so many problems. The difference is, and I got to agree with
Steve, to some extent, he was winning.

They were winning and one thing started to turn a little bit, pivoted,
trying to pivot towards the general election and struggling badly.

And so, doing and having the polls reflecting that struggle, that`s when
they started looking for a scapegoat, that`s when the kids concerns really
rose to the front.

And my understanding is that it`s questionable the degree to which this was
actually driven by Donald Trump verses his own kids.

I have sources who asserted to me that in fact it was the kids who really
drove this obviously, Donald Trump didn`t step away from their decision.

But it does show that the factualism within the campaign is now potentially
a factualism involving the kids and whoever is left over from the
Lewandowski faction and then the Paul Manafort faction.

So, I don`t know that we`re necessarily turning the page here.

O`DONNELL: Ken, quickly, what`s your reporting showing on where the dump
Trump movement stands tonight.

And I`m wondering about two possible energizers to it. One, the finance
report showing that the Trump campaign has basically bankrupt, and two, the
polls showing Hillary Clinton now pulling away from Donald Trump.

Both of those things you would think would be major factors in delegates
deciding how strong a candidate they have.

VOGEL: Yes, I actually think that part of the reason why they
“scapegoated”, to use these words, Corey Lewandowski is because they were
trying to turn the page and they were trying to signal to Republicans,
including notably the folks at the RNC who had struggled so much to develop
a smooth working relationship with the Trump campaign.

That they were ready to move on, they were ready to get beyond this in-
fighting that had plagued the campaign and they were ready to run a more
professionalized operation.

Again, just getting rid of Corey Lewandowski, I don`t know that you
necessarily achieve that, but I think that was intended as a signal.

O`DONNELL: We`re going to have to break it there, Steve Lonegan and Ken
Vogel, thank you both for joining us tonight.

VOGEL: Thanks man –

O`DONNELL: I really appreciate it –

LONEGAN: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, Clay Aiken will join us, he knows a little something
about how the Trump family operates, having spent quite a bit of time with
them on that old family TV show they used to have.

Clay Aiken will be with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COREY LEWANDOWSKI, FMR. TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: I like to say that I am a
person who has been able to help implement some of his ideas, and that is
what I have been able to do. But anybody to say that the family disagreed,
I do not think would be accurate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Corey Lewandowski after getting fired this morning. Trump
campaign sources tell NBC News that Donald Trump`s children have been
unhappy with Corey Lewandowski for months and they pushed their father to
fire him.

During us now, Clay Aiken who ran for congressman 2014 in North Carolina
and who has some experience with how the Trump family operates after
spending a season with them on the family`s T.V. show, where Donald Trump
used to pretend to fire people all in good fun. Clay, thank you very much
for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.

CLAY AIKEN, FMR. CELEBRITY APPRENTICE CONTESTANT: Absolutely. Thanks for
having me.

O`DONNELL: What is your read of this news today? I mean you saw them
operating on that show? I mean you spend weeks and weeks with them, do not
you when you are doing a season of that show?

AIKEN: You do. And you spend a lot more time with the kids than you do
with the Donald, himself, and I think that has to do a lot with the fact
that they really are his closest advisors and I think to some degree, Trump
believes he trained them and therefore, they must be the smartest people in
the room besides him.

And he certainly relies on their advice, not just on the show but in life a
lot. I am not one bit surprised at the rumors, certainly believe the
reports that Corey Lewandowski was fired in large part because of feedback
from the kids, themselves.
O`DONNELL: There is, actually, one report of his daughter, Ivanka saying
“Him or me,” meaning, if Corey Lewandowski stays with the campaign, then I
will stay around and help out.

AIKEN: Yes. I mean, Ivanka is probably the strongest and probably one of
her father`s most close and trusted advisors, not just on the show, but I
think when it comes to the Trump organization and the real estate
developing and dealings.

And she is someone who is incredibly loyal to her father. I would be
surprised if she actually did leave for any reason but I think she realized
– if that is true, she certainly probably realized that she was far more
valuable to him and he is very close with his kids and that would be
something that would certainly sway him to make a change.

O`DONNELL: Now, when you were on that show, did you have to sign
nondisclosure agreements saying that you would never say anything negative
about Donald Trump the way everyone working in the campaign has to do?

AIKEN: Yes. I think most reality shows or competition shows of any kind
have some sort of non-disparagement clause. I do not think that there is
necessarily a part of it that says specifically about Donald Trump himself.

But obviously the production company that produces it, NBC, the network has
some requirements. And I think that is pretty standard boilerplate. I am
sure – even though he implied otherwise, I am sure Corey Lewandowski had
some sort of NDA that he had to sign, probably as he started working with
Trump and certainly as he left.

O`DONNELL: Yes. I mean you can see it in working flawlessly today. You
can see today why Trump has those things in there. And did it surprise you
– I mean you have run a campaign yourself. You know what it is to gear up
from zero and to professionalize a campaign.

Were you surprised that Donald Trump used people certainly at the beginning
for the first year, who had never been involved at the presidential level
of campaigning before.

AIKEN: No. It did not really surprise me that much. It was a mistake
that I did not want to make with my campaign when I ran. I wanted to make
sure I had people who are professionals and who knew exactly how the
political process worked.

I kind of believed that there were a lot of people who were not willing to
work with Donald Trump at the very beginning. Obviously, he has had people
who have flocked to him in the past six, eight, nine months as he has
gotten more success underneath his belt.

But I think in the early days, he probably had a really difficult time
getting people to take him seriously and want to work with him and Corey
Lewandowski, himself, is also somebody who had a hard time getting people
to take him seriously in his political career also.

So, they were sort of a match made in heaven. And truth be told, Donald
Trump is very loyal. He is incredibly loyal, and I think the only people
he is more loyal to than anyone else are his kids.

O`DONNELL: Clay, quick subject change before you go. You endorsed Bernie
Sanders in the presidential primaries. Are you ready to endorse the
presumptive nominee, Hillary Clinton?

AIKEN: I mean, I do not think anybody is looking for my endorsement, but I
certainly am perfectly ready to say I am supporting Hillary Clinton in the
general election. I think that anybody is better and I know him
personally.

I think anybody would be a better president than Donald Trump. But I
certainly think Hillary Clinton will be the most qualified, the most
prepared president that we have had in my lifetime for sure and I am
excited about her being elected in November.

O`DONNELL: Where is that breaking news banner when we need it. Clay Aiken
for Hillary Clinton, right here. Just made that news. Clay, thank you
very much for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.

AIKEN: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Still ahead in the war room. Clinton campaign putting a lot of
money into T.V. ads right now against Donald Trump. Donald Trump, zero.
That is next.

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O`DONNELL: Time for tonight`s war room. Hillary Clinton`s war room is
carrying out a multi-million dollar advertising blitz right now. Donald
Trump`s war room has had no response.

So far in June the Clinton campaign and its Super PAC have spent $23.4
million running ads in eight key general election battle ground states.
Donald Trump and republican Super PACs have spent zero dollars to run an ad
so far in June. Here is one of the ads Hillary Clinton`s Super PAC is
running.

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MIKA BRZEINSKI, MSNBC HOST OF “MORNING JOE” PROGRAM: Who are you
consulting with consistently so you are ready on day one?

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am speaking with myself,
number one.

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TRUMP: This is the Trump theory on war. I am really good at war. I love
war in a certain way.

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TRUMP: including with nukes. Yes, including with nukes.

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TRUMP: I want to be unpredictable. I am not going to tell you right now
what I am going to do.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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TRUMP: I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.

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O`DONNELL: With 141 days left for the campaign war rooms, joining us
tonight in “The Last Word” war room is Lis Smith, a veteran of President
Obama`s and Martin O`Malley`s Presidential Campaign war rooms and Ed Goeas,
veteran of the Scott Walker, John McCain and George W. Bush war rooms.
Lis, is this advertising imbalance is a rough place for the Trump campaign
to be right now?

LIS SMITH, FMR. DEPUTY CAMPAIGN MGR. O`MALLEY 2016: Yes. I mean, it is
huge. In 2012, when President Obama started the ad blitz, I think it was
in May, you know, we had a big discrepancy. I think the largest ever got
was 2-1 and we were absolutely killing him. And I think the race in some
respects was over by June.

And we were amplifying with tons of events on the ground. All of the stuff
takes a lot of money and a lot of staff. And Trump does not have any of
that right now. And you especially see that – He has not beaten 2-1. $30
million of spending on Clinton`s part versus zero dollars on his part. So
it is very, very troubling, because this is when a lot of the opinions are
shaped.

O`DONNELL: Ed, I imagine if you are in the Trump war room tonight, you just
say, “Donald, where is the money? We need some money to get up on the air
here.”

ED GOEAS, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, certainly, and it is even worse
than what you are portraying here. The Hillary campaign, itself, is
putting on $29 million and then the Super PAC is putting up another $20
million between now and the convention.


There is part of it is both these candidates entered into this race a year
ago with over 50 percent, actually 55 percent unfavorable rating. Both of
these candidates today have a 55 percent or worse unfavorable rating.

What you do not want to happen here is have the Clinton campaign basically
take something straight out of the book of the Obama campaign 2012 and use
this period of time to not drive up the negatives, but solidify the
negatives for Trump and drive down her unfavorable.

And that certainly looks like the game that they are playing here with the
Clinton campaign running positive ads and the Super PAC running negative
ads against Trump. They are going to have to step up to the plate and step
out to the plate soon to offset that, or you are going to start seeing some
of this dig in. I disagree a bit that the race is won in June, but it can
be won in June if this is allowed to go on and dig deeper with those
negative numbers.

O`DONNELL: And we have the latest polls out that I think we have on the
screen that we can show you. Hillary Clinton is now 47; Donald Trump at
40. And that movement is Hillary Clinton pulling away from Donald Trump.
In the middle of this ad buy in the battle ground states.

SMITH: Right. And this is what is insane is that Donald Trump goes around
saying – OK. First of all, we know he is having trouble raising money and
that he thinks he is too good to pick up the phone to solicit from big rich
donors. But he is someone who goes around saying, “I am a billionaire. I
am a billionaire.”

So if his campaign is in such financial dire streaks, why is not he just
kick in a few million dollars? And I think the answer is something that we
have all speculated about for a long time that he is not a billionaire.

And we know that in 2007 in a deposition that he admitted to lying about
his net worth. And I think this has kind of put up or shut-up time and I
think that the only thing that Donald Trump fears more than losing the
presidency is having his net worth, actual net worth exposed.

O`DONNELL: And Ed, we have seen candidates slumped financially at
different times but when they are have the personal resources, they use
them. John Kerry kept his campaign alive early in the primary season by an
infusion of his own money, basically, when he needed it. This campaign
desperately needs money. They have this so-called rich guy, who is not
giving them anything for this campaign at this point.

GOEAS: He put some in during the primaries. But I think the bottom line
is he needs to get back to a traditional campaign. He needs to get on the
phone, talk to these people, get contributions in and work it.

Work it hard. This is a period of time when, quite frankly, between now
and the convention he should be focusing on organization fund raising and
bringing talent in under one head.

And I think you have began to see part of that today on what happened, and
I think that was encouraging but we need to see more of that in the
upcoming weeks as we lead into the convention.

O`DONNELL: And we know that every one of those Donald Trump fund raising
campaign calls begins with, “I know I said I was going to self finance, but
I am calling you for some money.” Lis Smith and Ed Goeas, thank you both
very much for joining us tonight. I appreciate it.

GOEAS: Thank you.

SMITH: Thank you.

O`DONNELL: Still ahead, Vice President Joe Biden went after Donald Trump
over national security.

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O`DONNELL: Now that Corey Lewandowski is gone, who is running the show
with the Trump campaign? Answer, Vladimir Putin`s favorite lobbyist. Paul
Manafort is now in charge of the Trump campaign and he has lobbied for a
variety of foreign countries and their leaders, including the Ukraine and
its former president, Viktor Yanukovych, who was a close ally of Russian
president Vladimir Putin. Paul Manafort`s current client, Donald Trump,
sounds like a close ally of Vladimir Putin.

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TRUMP: I say very nicely, would not it be nice if actually we could get
along with Russia. Putin called me brilliant. I like it. They want me to
disavow. Putin said, “Donald Trump is brilliant.”

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O`DONNELL: Today, Joe Biden delivered this warning about the Trump
campaign`s embrace of Vladimir Putin.

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JOE BIDEN, (D) U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: Embracing Putin at a time of renewed
Russian aggression, I believe would call into question America`s
longstanding commitment to Europe, whole, free and at peace.

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O`DONNELLL: And so the campaign manager upgrade now in the Trump campaign
is a Washington lobbyist with questionable loyalties. That is whose
running the Trump campaign.

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TRUMP: The politicians are going to destroy this country. They are weak
and ineffective. And they are controlled by the lobbyists of the special
interest.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

O`DONNELL: Up next, Joe Biden versus Donald Trump.

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BIDEN: ISIL wants to manufacture the clash of civilizations. Why in God`s
name are we giving them what they want?

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O`DONNELL: As the Trump campaign spent the day wondering who is going to
get fired next, Joe Biden went out there and showed what he is going to be
like this season campaigning against Donald Trump.

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BIDEN: The choices the president and I have made over the past seven and a
half years, they have been to, quote, the topic of the title of a book,
“Very hard choices.” Choices that have required very difficult trade-offs.
We positioned the United States at the forefront, though I think of
tremendous opportunity.

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O`DONNELL: Joining us now, General Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme
Allied Commander. General Clark, We saw Joe Biden step out today, going
against Trump primarily on foreign policy. We are going to see more of
that and the Trump campaign has no real response. It is not like – have
you heard Donald Trump get any more serious in this area?

GEN. WESLEY CLARK, FMR. NATO SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER: No. I think his
foreign policy is a bunch of slogans and bar room talk and ranting.

O`DONNELL: Let us listen to more of what Joe Biden said today of fighting
ISIS.

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BIDEN: Al-Qaeda, ISIL, other off shoots, they are real threats but our
campaign against violent extremism must be smart and has to remain
consistent with American values. Adopting the tactics of our enemies,
using torture, threatening to kill innocent family members,
indiscriminately bombing civilian populations, that only violates our
values, it is deeply, deeply damaging to our security.

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O`DONNELL: General Clark, you ran for president, most campaigns say that
it is difficult to get the voter to pay attention to these elements, the
foreign policy and national security elements of a campaign.

GEN. CLARK: It is. It is difficult because American campaigns tend to be
about domestic issues, but the thing is that the real power of the policy
is foreign policy. I have been abroad twice in Eastern Europe for the last
six weeks Lawrence. And in both cases I have just been overwhelmed talking
to ordinary citizens, military, government leaders, heads of government.

They are petrified at the prospect of Donald Trump and his cozying up to
Putin. They know it is a complete breach of America`s traditional
credibility, sense of responsibility and dedication to global institutions.
They really are concerned.

O`DONNELL: Is it conceivable to you that a lobbyist who is now running
Donald Trump`s campaign who had close ties to a Putin ally actually
represented a Putin ally, that that could actually be a factor in the way
the Trump campaign talks about Vladimir Putin?

GEN CLARK: It could be a factor in it. But also its true that Trump has
been all over eastern Europe looking to market his name over there. For
Trump, it is the last frontier. His name in Eastern Europe would be like
playboy on a Playboy hotel used to be, let us say, London in the 1960s. It
is kind of racy sounds American, sounds au vaunt guard to them.

But we know that it is fake. And maybe he thinks because he is trying to
do some slogan earring and naming hotels in Eastern Europe. He knows
something about foreign policy but he knows nothing about foreign policy
based on the things he said. It is frightening.

O`DONNELL: There had been two ways we have seen campaigning against Donald
Trump. And the Clinton Campaign has used them both. One is to make fun of
him and the other is to take seriously what he has said.

That is what we saw Joe Biden doing today. Take it seriously and explain
the danger in it seriously. It seems like in the foreign policy national
defense area, there is not much room for making fun of him.

GEN. CLARK: Well, I mean when Hillary Clinton spoke, she drew out some of
the things he said and she was not actually being funny. She was being
very pointed and direct and she was impugning his knowledge and his
credibility in foreign policy, exactly the same thing that Joe Biden was
doing today.

And I think that is what has to be done again and again and again. Because
a lot of the base voters that Trump wants to appeal to are people who
really believe in America. They really do believe this is and should be a
strong country. And those people, they cannot possibly conceive yet of
what it is Donald Trump is proposing to do.

But if we say it enough in enough different ways with enough people, maybe
that message will begin to sink through as August turns into September and
September into October.

Because on foreign policy he is reckless, and it is not responsible what he
said. It is not a coherent policy of any type. So I think our allies are
right to be concerned, but I have confidence to the American people. They
are not going to accept this.


O`DONNELL: General Wesley Clark gets tonight`s “Last Word.” Thank you,
General.

GEN. CLARK: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Chris Hayes is up next..”


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