PPE shortage TRANSCRIPT: 4/30/20, The Rachel Maddow Show
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Chris. Thanks, my friend. Much
Thanks to you at home for joining thus hour. Very happy to have you with us
I`m going to start tonight with a little piece of video that I`m just going
to say you might not want your kiddos to watch, just in the event that your
kids are watching with you. It`s nothing gory or sexy or anything, and we
have bleeped the swears, but there are many swears to be bleeped. And so
you might just want to watch this yourself before the kids see, it better
safe than sorry, you can always rewind me and restart if you decide it`s OK
for them to see. I just wanted to give you fair warning.
What this is, is video we actually first got our hands on a couple of weeks
ago, and it is out of Kansas, specifically out of a Kansas state prison.
Lansing state correctional facility, which is just outside of Kansas City,
And at the time that we first got this, we thought this might be a document
that was important to a larger national news story. But it might be a
bigger national news story than it seemed, specifically because of some of
the things that prisoners can be heard saying on this video. But at the
time, we first obtained this tape, we didn`t have any way to know for sure,
we were intrigued by what we were hearing, but we didn`t have the factual
Well, now, we know for sure. And now I think – I think you should see
this. And I will mention once again about watching the video with kids.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They aren`t giving us no healthcare for this
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is what happen when you all got (EXPLETIVE
DELETED) going afraid.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They aren`t giving us no help for these mother
(EXPLETIVE DELETED). So we have to turn up real quick.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You all want to give us no healthcare? You all want to
give us no healthcare? This is what we do. All you had to do was give us a
little (EXPLETIVE DELETED) health care.
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MADDOW: Like I said, it`s a little hurly-burly. But that was a couple of
weeks ago. A video shot by a prisoner, inside Lansing state prison in
And, obviously, what`s going on there is the kind of thing that you would
call an uprising, or a riot, or an incident of unrest, depending on your
perspective or maybe depending on your politics, but the prisoners there
did really tear the place up, in one of the cell blocks at that prison. It
is a medium security prison.
As of that morning, the day they started tearing the place up, more than 14
members of the prison staff at Lansing had tested positive and had been
sent home from work. Twelve prisoners who had tested positive had been
moved into a medical isolation unit.
Now, we knew that from the prison on the day that the riot happened. But
then this Facebook live contraband cell phone video got out, showing the
riot, showing the prisoner saying, you aren`t giving us help with this
coronavirus, you aren`t giving us health care, you want to give us no
health care, well, this is what we do.
Just a couple of days after they got the prison back under control, there
was this notice from the Kansas National Guard, announcing that Kansas
National Guard medical staff were being brought in to help at that prison.
Quote: Trained medical Kansas national guard professionals are assisting
staff at Lansing correctional facility by supplementing medical support.
The secretary of the state department of corrections saying, quote, we
recognize the need for additional medical support at the facility.
So that`s what happened with the riot and then two days later, the national
guard being brought in, not to restore order, they restored order the night
that it happened, the national guard being brought in to surge medical
Well, now, we have started to get the full, first full picture of what has
really happened there, and the riot turns out to be just a crack in the
window into this story. On Monday of this week, Lansing correctional
facility reported that the first prisoner has died from coronavirus at that
facility. Yesterday, Wednesday, the prison reported that a second prisoner
had died from coronavirus at that facility.
The local NBC affiliate ran this feature on a 15-year veteran sergeant at
the facility who quit and walked out over lack of protective gear for the
people who work at that facility, he told the local NBC station that the
spread of coronavirus inside the facility is completely unchecked with
prisoners living five to a cell, in four-men cells, and even the guards are
only wearing homemade cotton masks.
There are now 75 staff who have reportedly tested positive at that prison,
prompting this headline from “The Kansas City Star”, today: A dangerous
situation, Lansing prison under stress, with 75 staff testing positive.
And, you know, when you have that, all those signs, when you have that many
signs, all pointing in the same direction, really you know what you`re
going to find, if you ultimately have the courage to look at what is
happening there, if you ultimately have the courage and the resources to
Well, they have now started to test all of the prisoners at that prison, at
the Lansing state correctional institution in Kansas. Quote: Early test
results show that 75 percent of Lansing inmates have the virus. They
started the process of universal testing in the prison and the initial
results from the first sample there show 75 percent of them are positive.
So when those prisoners in Kansas were rioting a couple of weeks ago,
tearing the place apart, saying we need help with this coronavirus, we need
health care for this coronavirus, they were in fact, living in a unit where
almost all of them would get infected with this disease, within just a
couple of weeks. And now, two of them thus far are dead. And 75 staff are
You know, we are far enough into this thing now, that we know where it is
likely to be in large numbers. And we know for sure where it spreads the
fastest, if we don`t take steps to stop it. We know that now. That said,
it`s still hard to get tests in this country, even this far into it, even
with nearly 63,000 Americans dead from this already, it is still hard to
get testing here.
But we do know now from watching the contours of this epidemic, from
watching the number, watching the red dots on the epidemiological maps
sprout all over the country and then zooming in and figuring out where
those are, we know now where we ought to be testing, if we only had tests.
And it turns out, when we are able to test in those places, lo and behold,
you find the virus in magnificent numbers.
So 75 percent of the prisoners at that prison where they rioted two weeks
ago saying, we need help with coronavirus, 75 percent of those prisoners
are positive. And we know that because they finally tested there. So far,
the federal prison system has done full-scale testing in one prison at
Terminal Island in California. They ran 1,055 tests on all the prisoners at
Terminal Island, 443 of them tested positive.
They now started a medical build-out at that facility to try to handle the
huge numbers of cases there. And the medical care there ultimately, they`re
going to have to provide. And, of course, it`s not just prisons, we know
where the biggest concentrations are of infection, we know where the most
rapid and exhaustive spread of infection tends to happen in our country.
This, for example, is the headline today in “The Cleveland Plain Dealer”.
What happens when an entire nursing home is tested for coronavirus? More
than half of the patients test positive at one Tallmadge, Ohio facility.
This is an Ohio nursing home where they believed they had one resident who
had tested positive case. But then they got access to test, so they tested
everyone. And of the 104 prisoners, excuse me, 104 residents that they had,
59 of the 104 were positive. They thought they had one case. They have 59
We have terrible and spotty and inconsistent access to testing in this
country but there`s no mystery where we should be testing, to try to
identify the most cases, and to try to stop the most spread. In a lot of
these facilities at least, just the sheer death toll tells you where to
look. We have thus far, just with a news search, of statements by state
health directors, we have thus far been able to identify at least ten
states in the United States of America, where the statewide death toll from
coronavirus is mostly made up of nursing home residents. That`s where most
of the death, is that`s where, there are the most Americans at risk of
getting this thing and dying from it.
In Pennsylvania, it`s 65 percent of the deaths in that state are in nursing
home and long-term care facilities. In Pennsylvania, one facility in Beaver
County has had 58 Americans die within its walls. We learned today that a
veterans` home in Chester, Pennsylvania, has had 27 American veterans die
And the great state of Maryland, the state now admits that more than 50
percent of their deaths are in nursing homes as well, Maryland
interestingly, also announced today, that they will now mandate universal
testing for all nursing home residents and staff. You might remember,
Maryland just bought 500,000 coronavirus tests, from South Korea.
The governor of Maryland, his wife is an immigrant from Korea, she speaks
fluent Korean, he got her on the phone with business connection, the family
hopefully had or could make in Korea, they arranged for 500,000 tests to be
flown over on a Korean airlines plane. The Governor Larry Hogan told “The
Washington Post” he made the planes carrying the supplies from Korea land
at Baltimore Washington International Airport, at BWI, even though a Korean
airlines plane had never before landed at BWI.
He also said he made sure there were tons of state troopers and national
guardsmen on the tarmac when that plane landed all because he wanted
Maryland to not have those materials stolen by the federal government when
that shipment of tests came in.
Now, the governor says those tests are still under lock and key, still
being guarded by state troopers and natural guardsmen. They`re still under
lock and tree because the tests still haven`t been widely deployed in
Maryland in part because just like everywhere, they need swabs, and
reagents, and all of the other lab materials to process those tests, just
like everybody else in the country still does, but we have a shortage of
those, and so even when you got the test kits, you still can`t do tests.
Still, though, the governor of Maryland has now ordered, mandated that
everybody in a nursing home in Maryland, symptomatic or not, staff or
resident, everybody, must be tested. Now, state mandate is a serious thing.
What are nursing homes supposed to do in order to fulfill that mandate?
We have reached out to the governor`s office to ask if they will provide
all of the necessary tests to the nursing homes, so they can fulfill that
mandate, or if the facilities are going to have to scramble to find the
tests themselves, we`ll let you know more when we hear more.
But if Maryland is able to fulfill that mandate, if Maryland is able to
make good, if they`re able to actually test, every resident, and every
staff person, in every nursing home and long term care facility in the
state, brace yourself for the numbers that will emerge. I mean we know what
kind of numbers are going to emerge. We can imagine them. Just follow the
trail of dead.
The largest nursing home in the state of Maryland has already had 35
Americans die there. How many positive cases do you think there are at that
facility, with 35 of their residents have already died. Maryland has not
been regularly posting the regular cases in their nursing homes by
facility. They have not been regularly posting the number of deaths by
facility. They are going to get those numbers now if they`re going to
They know that most of deaths in that state are in nursing homes. If they
start to get universal data from those facilities, brace yourself for the
number of positive tests. And for what that is going to indicate about how
much resources, how many resources those facilities need. And for
ultimately what the death toll is going to be coming out of there.
But testing in the places where people are most likely to get infected, as
scary as it is, given the kinds of numbers that we see, when those most
impacted facilities start to get tested, as scary as it is, testing in
those facilities where people are most likely to get infected is how you
deal with this as a public health matter. That`s how you start to protect
people who live in those facilities, who are the most vulnerable to getting
this thing, and the most vulnerable to die from it. That`s how you target
care and resources, and ultimately protective gear to those place, you have
to know where it is and who`s got it and you have to protect people in
those facilities who don`t yet have it who are at grave, grave, grave risk
of getting it.
This also incidentally is how you learn what you need to know to protect
the community, the local community, near those facilities, from what will
be a non-contained community-based outbreak there soon. None of these
facilities is an island. No prison, no jail, no nursing home, no meat
packing plant, no freaking cruise ship once it`s stopped, if you have an
outbreak of this virus, it is an outbreak that will leak behind the
boundaries we are comfortable thinking of it residing in when we talk about
it hitting most nursing homes, prison, meat plants, these other kinds of
We like to think of those outbreaks as being contained in those spaces, but
this is a highly contagious communicable disease, right? And just because
it starts spreading somewhere kind of the beaten path or places due really
think about, like a big industrial plant or a nursing home or a place where
a lot of immigrants work and you don`t know them in your community because
they keep to themselves.
I mean, just because these facilities and these types of places and prisons
and jails and all these types of places may be limited to us, and they may
not be in our constant view unless we`ve got family members there or who
work there, just because these are liminal facilities that are not visible
to us does not mean these outbreaks will stay in those places. That`s not
how it works with highly contagious communicable diseases.
Take for example, Cass County, Indiana. Earlier this week, you may remember
we mentioned them on the show because Cass County Indiana got our
attention. Local commissioners there proclaimed a serious public health
emergency specifically for that county.
And this is not like the emergency or the disaster that everybody declared
at the start of this thing so they could qualify for things. They declared
a new public health emergency in that county and the declaration had teeth,
it established serious new restrictions on what people can do in that
county, in terms of social distancing. Far stricter than what people are
restricted in doing in the statewide order in Indiana.
Well, why did Cass County, Indiana, do that? Well, they do have a Tyson
meat plant in Cass County, Indiana, in Logansport, Indiana. And they knew
they had some cases there. Just like a lot of meat processing plants do.
But the county, the county officials there were smart, and thinking ahead.
Because sure enough, it is just a couple of days later now, and today, the
county has announced the results of what they insisted must be the
universal testing of workers at that facility. And it turns out, when you
universally test all of the workers at a meat plant that`s got a bunch of
known cases, Katy bar the door when it comes to actually getting the total
number, when it comes to getting the universal testing result.
It turns out at that one plant, there are 890 positive cases, at one plant.
A local hospital I should mention in Logansport, Indiana, has a total of 83
beds, nine beds set aside for COVID patients, they are all already full,
they have eight ventilators there, in the hospital, in Logansport, Indiana
– 890 positive cases, just among employees, at the one plant in town, let
alone any other cases that now may exist in the county, tied to each of
those 890 employees.
Last night, we talked with the sheriff of Black Hawk County, Iowa. He was
here to talk about the Tyson plant in his town, Waterloo, Iowa, to which
the county can now link more than 90 percent of the 1,300-plus coronavirus
cases they`ve got in Black Hawk County. The sheriff last night mentioned
that sizable outbreak in Black Hawk County is no longer something that
resides within that plant. It now encompasses the whole community, and
specifically a number of nursing homes in that community. And indeed, there
are now known outbreaks in multiple nursing homes in Black Hawk County,
Over in Columbus Junction, Iowa, that is actually one of the first meat
plants they shut down after a big outbreak there. That plant in Columbus
Junction is now reopened, but the outbreak in the community there is such
that the governor has just called in the Iowa national guard to start doing
testing in that county`s nursing homes, because they`ve got such a problem
in their nursing homes now, too.
How did things get from the meat plant into the nursing homes? Well, they
get from the meat plant into the community, and then they get from the
community into the nursing homes. And then all of the people in the nursing
home are very susceptible to getting it, and a lot of them are susceptible
Grand Island, Nebraska, the large outbreak there, tied to the JBS meat
processing plant in Grand Island, the local health director there just
announced ten deaths in Grand Island nursing homes in the past few days and
tells the local paper today, quote, it is very, very sad, I knew this was
going to happen, we knew this was going to happen, excuse me, and I`ll
start crying if I think too much about it. It is just hard.
The death toll spiking around Grand Island, Nebraska, because these things
may start in your meat packing plant, or your prison, or your nursing home,
that`s where your outbreak might incubate, might spread unchecked through
everyone in that facility. To the people who live, there people who work
there, both. But by nature, it`s not going to stay, nature, it`s not going
to stay there in Grand Island, Nebraska. The outbreak didn`t stay in the
plant of the mayor of Grand Island tonight, going public with his
desperation, saying his city has quote paid a price.
I think Grand Island, during this or deal, has paid a price. He is asking
please, for the federal government to come help Grand Island, Nebraska,
rather than the federal government just ordering the reopening of all of
the meat plants. He`s asking specifically for the agriculture secretary to
please come to Grand Island, Nebraska, to see the impact of that huge
outbreak there, that started in the meat plant, on that small community.
Oh, and by the way, please bring some help.
The problems we are faced with government orders that have failed to
protect the people of Grand Island. I want him to come to Grand Island, so
I can explain it. And we don`t know if the Ag Secretary Sonny Perdue will
come and pay his respects to Grand Island.
Now, Grand Island, Nebraska, needs help, and they are asking for it. I
should tell you that Nebraska at the state level is not tracking nursing
home deaths. They are not tracking cases in meat processing plants. They
are also not testing widely in prisons in Nebraska.
So even today, as yet another corrections officer tested positive in the
community, it is a black box as to what is going on inside the prisons
themselves. This was a, I think a frameable cross-stitched quote today,
from the “Omaha World Herald”. Quote, no inmates have tested positive for
COVID-19 but the state corrections agency said recently that no inmates had
Yes, if you don`t test, it`s amazing how few cases you have. Isn`t that
crazy how that works? I mean, seeking, you shall find. But if you don`t
seek, how long can you pretend that there is nothing to find?
I mean, for the record, in Nebraska, they had their first known coronavirus
case way back on march 6th. It took them from March 6th, almost six weeks
mid-April, before they hit their first 1,000 cases in the state. But then
to get from 1,000 to 2,000 cases, that only took a week and to get from
2,000 to 3,000 cases that only took two days.
Now, they`re scratching at 4,000 cases as we speak with no tracking of
nursing home cases, no tracking of meat facility cases, no tracking of
prisoners. Good luck, Nebraska. I hope your governor has hidden depths
because what is happening on the surface here is nerve curling.
I mean, they`ve got outbreaks at meat plants in Grand Island, Nebraska,
Lexington, Nebraska, Dakota City, Nebraska, Madison, Nebraska, Hastings,
Nebraska, Crete, Nebraska, that`s a plant where people walked out in fear
this week. The plant had said they were closing after finding dozens of
positive cases, and they said they changed their mind and they`re staying
open and everyone walked out in fear.
Governor Pete Ricketts says that he wants all the plants open. He said
yesterday at a press conference yesterday he didn`t think the meat
processing plants were a problem at all. He was asked why so many meat
processing workers are testing positive and said, quote, they`re more
likely to pick up an infection outside of the workplace, where these people
spend two-thirds of their time.
Meat processing workers all have ended up positive by the hundreds,
potentially by the thousands in Nebraska, because they all do the same
stuff outside of work that exposes them. Also, I`ve got wet hair when I get
out of the swimming pool but that might just be because I took a shower
this morning before I went swimming. Maybe that`s why my hair is wet.
I mean, yes, all the meat workers, they`re definitely turning up positive
in the numbers that they are, because of stuff they`re doing at home. It`s
They must be really different people than all of the other people, and all
of the other different kinds of workplaces who don`t have those kind of
numbers. It`s definitely their fault.
I will say, for the first time, today, for the first time, a Nebraska meat
plant has announced that it is closing its doors for what they call a deep
cleaning. This is the Tyson plant in Dakota City, Nebraska. Nobody knows
how many cases there are at that Dakota City plant in Nebraska because as I
mentioned Nebraska doesn`t track it. The governor doesn`t think that meat
plants are a problem in terms of the spread of coronavirus.
And Tyson, for this plant at least, refuses to say how many people are
positive there. But for some reason, they have decided to close that plant
for a deep cleaning. I should also mention that perhaps it`s a complete
coincidence but Dakota County, Nebraska, where this plant is located,
happens to have the second highest number of known coronavirus cases in the
entire state, after Grand Island, even though the population of Dakota
County is only about 20,000 people. But we don`t know if there is any cases
there, and are we sure we want to look?
So they`re going to close for a deep cleaning. Deep cleaning isn`t actually
a thing. That`s just a word that people use when they tell you they`re
sending in cleaners. There`s nothing different about a deep cleaning
compared to a regular cleaning no matter what someone wants to send you,
certainly in virologic terms, a deep cleaning versus cleaning? Come on.
And ultimately cleanliness is not the real problem here. It`s the
conditions, the working conditions in the giant aggregate production
environments where so far, the companies have shown no ability to prevent
the spreading of viruses super-efficiently among all of their workers who
tend to work in groups of several hundred or even a thousand at a time.
The federal government has played a strange role in this part of the crisis
so far, right? These kinds of plants have been huge accelerants for the
epidemic in America overall, and specifically, in parts of the country,
that the Republican Party and this president pretends to care about more
than any other parts of the country, and where they supposedly got
governors on a very short leash, right?
But the plants are so far not required by the federal government to do
anything, to protect these workers. They`re required to make a good faith
effort, to comply with guidance, but the guidance is non-mandatory, the
Trump administration absolutely has the option of making those guidelines,
requirements, in terms of how these places operate, they are absolutely not
All they want is these plants open. There`s no pushing in terms of what the
plants need to do, in terms of the way they operate to stop keeping
thousands of people from getting infected there.
I`ll tell you, we are on the trail right now of a story about what`s
happened at the CDC specifically, that has actually led to that scandalous
part of the federal government response to this epidemic. We are going to
have a special report on that here tomorrow night.
But next here, on the show we will talk to a worker who`s got firsthand
experience about what exactly is going on. That`s next.
Stay with us.
MADDOW: This is from the “New York Times” op-ed that the worker wrote.
Quote: In the past month, two of my co-workers died from COVID-19. The
company instituted protective measures but it was too late.
The company in this instance is JBS, the giant meatpacking conglomerate,
and this is specifically about their plant in Souderton, Pennsylvania,
which is north of Philly.
The person who works at the plant continues, quote, our plant temporarily
closed on April 2nd, before the deaths. At that time, 19 people had tested
positive. JBS remodeled the floor in line with coronavirus safety measures.
Quote: In meatpacking plants, workers are piled up on top of one another,
often touching because there are so many.
Quote: The two people we lost to the coronavirus were most likely exposed
to the virus at work before the factory shut down. Quote, they will not be
We should note that Souderton, Pennsylvania plant, had 19 cases when it
closed on April 2nd. As of tonight, the union says they`ve got 119 cases at
that plant. The company tonight tells us that many of the workers who
tested positive have returned to work after quarantine.
The plant reopened, April 20th, minus the 15 percent of its work force that
is over the age of 60. The company says that those workers over age 60 are
home now with full pay and benefits.
As for the others who are back at work, JBS tells us this, quote: Team
members have responded positively to the safety interventions put in place
during closure and the facility is now running beyond expectations.
That is how the company views the situation with that one plant. We have us
with tonight a colleague of the person who wrote that “New York Times” op-
ed, so we can ask for ourselves what it`s like to work in one of those big
plants now, having been reopened.
Joining us now is Safaa Elzakzoky. She works at the JBS plant in Souderton,
Pennsylvania. She is the shop steward for the union, UFCW local 1776.
Ms. Elzakzoky, I know this is a difficult time. Thank you for taking time
to be here tonight.
SAFAA ELZAKZOKY, JBS SHOP STEWARD: Thank you.
MADDOW: Let me just ask you, bottom line, do you feel safe now working at
the plant and going in every day?
ELZAKZOKY: Right now, yes, but before, no.
MADDOW: How big have the changes been? They closed down on April 2nd. They
reopened a couple of weeks later, having made significant changes to the
way you and your colleagues work with each other.
Can you describe to us how much that`s changed the way you work?
ELZAKZOKY: So, right now, they provide like a face masks for each employee.
They take the temperature when they start working early in the morning,
even if someone, a worker go outside to break time, or doing something
outside the plant, they take the temperature again.
Also, they provide the face shield. They provide the hand sanitizer
everywhere. We have the lines on the floor, to have social distance between
each worker, we have like a supervisor and superintendent on the hallway,
arranging people during the break time, disintegrate the people during the
break times. Also, the beginning time, they divide them to a group, so one
of them starts 15 minutes early, than the other. Also, when we are going
home, it`s like 15 minutes between each group.
MADDOW: Uh-huh. In terms of testing, obviously, when they shut down the
plant, there was about 19 people who worked there, who were positive, now
the union says it`s like 119 people are positive, if you want to get tested
for coronavirus, if you or your colleagues want to get tested, do you have
easy access to get testing?
ELZAKZOKY: To be honest, that was (INAUDIBLE) right now because we still
have the issue that we had a worker on the floor, work behind each other,
yes, they wear masks, they wear facial, there is no social distance behind
each other so they work shoulder by shoulder on the floor.
So, also, we have employees that they say they get the virus but they never
had the symptoms, so that`s our worry, that we had the employee who maybe
carried the virus, came to work, because they had no temperature, they had
no cough, or any symptoms of the virus, and maybe spread the virus in the
That`s why we ask for like testing from the employer, the workers during
the daytime, during the work, stuff like that, make us more safe,
especially, we had some worry from Tuesday, about Trump ordered that there
is no mandatory CDC or OSHA. This makes us worry.
So we`re back to work, because they told us that they will – we would be
safe. And we feel that he should worry about the protection, that he should
treat (ph) us like a human, should be (INAUDIBLE), should we be safe,
should we be healthy, and make us less worried.
MADDOW: And you would feel less worried if the OSHA guidelines, if the CDC
guidelines were mandatory, you would feel safer?
MADDOW: Safaa Elzakzoky, an employee at the JBS plant in Souderton,
Pennsylvania, I really appreciate you coming on to talk to us tonight, god
bless you, and all of your co-workers, we`re counting on you in lots of
ways but we don`t want you to be at risk when you go to work. Thanks for
helping us understand.
ELZAKZOKY: Thank you.
MADDOW: All right. More ahead tonight. Stay with us.
MADDOW: Here`s the front page of “The Atlanta Journal Constitution” today.
You can see the big top story. It`s a four column across the top of the
front page there. Kemp set to lift restriction. It`s the top story in
The state`s Republican Governor Kemp is allowing Georgia`s stay-at-home
order to expire tonight after already opening up very, very, very essential
businesses like bowling alley, tattoo parlor, salons, gym, movie theaters
and dine-in restaurants over the past week. The governor now says that all
restrictions of all kinds will be gone in two weeks.
But then look right below the big top headline, the other big story on the
front page of the “AJC” today, Georgia poultry workers test positive for
COVID-19. Check out the lead on this story.
Quote: Nearly 400 workers in Georgia`s prized poultry industry have tested
positive for the disease, caused by the coronavirus.
Quote: Ominous signs are popping up in Hall County, Georgia, where much of
the poultry industry is based. Hall has the highest rate of COVID-19 cases
per 100,000 residents in the region. As of Wednesday afternoon, 1,233
people in Hall had been sickened and 20 had been killed by the disease.
If you want one at least partial snapshot of Georgia today, they have it
right next to each other on the front page of the biggest newspaper:
Coronavirus outbreaks spreading rapidly through the state`s poultry plants
and the governor says, open everything back up. Everything. No
Georgia`s governor has made these kinds of demands even as his state rose
to 12th in the country in the number of cases and deaths. Even as one of
the nation`s worst outbreaks hit in his state, in Albany, Georgia, and even
as the city of Gainesville, in Hall County where all of those poultry
plants are became the center of one of the nation`s newest emerging large
The Northeast Georgia Medical Center there projects it will not hit the
peak of its coronavirus hospital admissions until the middle of June. But
they expect to max out their staffing capacity at the hospital, well before
then. Like within a matter of three weeks.
It`s hard to square what`s happening in Georgia right now, between the
characteristics of the large epidemic in Georgia right now, and it`s hard
to square that with Governor Brian Kemp`s insistence that everything is
fine and faster than everywhere in the country Georgia needs to open
everything back up.
It`s hard to square those things sometimes. But sometimes it`s not that
hard to square them.
This is the other big news in the Georgia epidemic today. A new CDC study
that finds that more than 80 percent of hospitalized coronavirus patients
in Georgia are African-American. African-Americans comprise only about 30
percent of the population in Georgia. But they`re 80 percent of who has
been hospitalized for coronavirus in the state.
And certainly, the study tracks broadly with the data we`ve seen across the
country, that coronavirus is hitting black Americans disproportionately,
but over 80 percent of the hospitalizations in Georgia?
Governor Kemp telling the Atlanta journal constitution today, quote: If you
weren`t in the medically fragile category, or someone in a long-term care
facility, for the most of the rest of Georgia, the effect of coronavirus
has been minimal. For most of the rest of Georgia, for most, 80 percent of
the people in hospitals are black people – for most of Georgia, it`s been
minimal, minimal impact. We haven`t barely noticed. It`s fine as far as
Today, in Atlanta, Georgia`s fantastic majority black capital city,
residents held a mock funeral procession, complete with several hearses,
driving around and around past the Georgia state capitol building.
Organizers told a local NBC affiliate that, quote, death is the foreseeable
result of Governor Kemp`s misguided plans to fully reopen the state of
The mayor of the great city of Atlanta is going to join us live here next.
Stay with us.
MADDOW: The mayor of the great city of Atlanta, Georgia, just published
this piece in “The Atlantic magazine” today, entitled Atlanta isn`t ready
to reopen and neither is Georgia.
Quote: As the mayor of Atlanta, I`m unable to endorse the governor`s
decision to reopen businesses before health experts say it is safe to do
The mayor makes a point about something in particular that worries her. She
says, quote, we should recognize that many of the kinds of businesses that
are reopening are especially popular in African-American neighborhoods
where barbershops and salons are ubiquitous. This concerns me because we
continue to see much higher rates of infection and death occurring among
African-Americans than in other communities.
This, of course, comes as a CDC study finds that 80 percent of coronavirus
hospitalizations in Georgia thus far have been African-American patients.
Joining us now is the mayor of Atlanta, Keisha Lance Bottoms.
Madam Mayor, been really looking forward to talking to you tonight. Thank
you so much for making time.
MAYOR KEISHA LANCE BOTTOMS (D-GA), ATLANTA: Thank you. It`s great to join
MADDOW: Let me just ask you if anything that I have said in the last couple
of minutes about – about Atlanta, and about Georgia, and about what`s
going on in your state right now, if it strikes you wrong or if you think
that I`ve sort of got the telescope turned around the wrong way in any of
this? Does it sound like a reasonable description of what`s going on in
your state and city?
BOTTOMS: So, you`re spot on, and the reality is this, Rachel, in Georgia,
we beat the national average in every single category that makes this virus
so much worse. Our rates of heart disease, obesity, diabetes, asthma, are
all above the national average. And then you layer on top of that the
African-American community, it`s even above that.
And so, the fact that we are opening up businesses in this state, and that
we are putting the economy before the lives of – of people is, it`s
baffling, and I keep searching for new words and I can`t find any because
I`m still completely dumbfounded that we were one of the last states to
close down and yet, one of the first states to open up.
And the governor has said this is about the economy and unfortunately, the
people who will be the test case for whether or not we have gotten it right
are the people who can least afford to be sick and are more likely to die.
MADDOW: I`ll tell you, Madam Mayor, one thing I`m worried about with
Georgia because it does like your governor is ideologically fixed on the
idea of not having businesses shut down, of not enforcing stay-at-home
orders, as you said, he started so late and he`s ending – and he`s
releasing these things so early. I am worried when you look at that,
alongside the fact that there is so little testing in Georgia. Georgia is
one of the worst states in the country in terms of how much testing there
is – I`m worried that he`s not going to feel the pressure to try to
increase testing numbers in Georgia because testing numbers might reveal
bad epidemiological consequences of his policy decisions.
BOTTOMS: So, our testing has increased but it`s still dismal. We are still
40th in the nation in testing.
And, you know, listen, Rachel, the reality is this – we all bring a
different lens to office. So, the governor was a small business owner and
I`m certain that the lens that he brings.
Well, what I bring is the daughter of a small business owner, a woman who
owned a hair salon. And so, I know what happens in a hair salon. There are
people from the community who come into the hair salon. Many people in the
hair salons don`t have health insurance. They are living paycheck to
And so, even if we are testing people in our communities and this was a
question that I posed to the governor and Dr. Toomey, our health – leader
of our health department in Georgia today, testing is a point in time test.
And so, if I test negative today and then I go out and get exposed
tomorrow, it means what?
And so we know that testing is just one part of this. There needs to be
contact tracing. There needs to be isolation and quarantine, and there
still is so much more to be done.
And even when you have funeral directors saying I`ve never seen anything
like this before and you couple that with the CDC along with health
professionals and even the president of the United States saying it`s too
soon, then I – I think all of those are signs that this is – it`s not the
appropriate thing for us to do at this time.
MADDOW: I will say, looking at this from outside the state and having been
sort of half in love with Atlanta my whole life, I think you`re the mayor
of one of the world`s great cities and certainly one of the cultural hubs
in America that we all have to be both thankful of and often in awe of –
from outside the state looking in, one of the things that is just
remarkable and explicable is that the governor didn`t talk to you before he
made any of these decisions. I know Georgia is a big state and Atlanta is
one city, but it`s Atlanta.
It`s remarkable to me that he has been preceding on this as if Atlanta is
kind of outside the state or its own thing, or should just go along with
what it says regardless of whether or not you think what he`s doing is a
Has that just been a hallmark of the way he`s conducting himself as
governor or has that been – has that been worse over the course of this
BOTTOMS: No, the governor and I have had a great working relationship over
the past couple of years. And we obviously are from – he`s a Republican.
I`m a Democrat. But we`ve come together to work together on the things that
we agree on.
He did not speak with me before when he lifted the first set of
restrictions, but I can say the governor and I did speak on yesterday, and
we have essentially agreed to disagree on this and his staff did call today
to let us know that he was going to move forward with lifting further
restrictions. So that has changed since the first restrictions were lifted.
But that being said, I still didn`t have any input and influence because we
simply don`t agree on this. And so, I continue to use my voice and I`m
grateful for the opportunity to talk to you and have this platform to
continue to encourage people to stay home.
And the reality is this: people are going back to work because they need
money. And so that part is right. Our economy is suffering and people are
facing economic hardship.
But I think this is where we step up as leaders and we lead our community
into recovery, and we make it easier for people to stay at home by making
sure that those small business loans are getting into the pockets of not
just the people who have well-established banking relationships but that
barber on the corner who may not have as lengthy as a credit history. We
make sure that people have food on their table.
These are the things that we are doing in Atlanta. These are the things
that we need to be doing statewide and certainly at a national level.
MADDOW: Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, thank you so much for taking
time tonight, Mayor. I know you have a lot on your plate and this is
valuable time. Thanks for sharing some of it with us.
BOTTOMS: Thank you very having me.
MADDOW: All right. We`ll be right back. Stay with us.
MADDOW: There were protesters again today at the Michigan state capital. A
whole bunch of them armed, in a state that just reported another 119
coronavirus deaths in the past 24 hours. These protesters were demanding
with their guns that the governor should get rid of the state`s stay-at-
Republicans in the Michigan legislature are making plans to try to sue the
governor to achieve the same thing. But during the debate over that today,
the view from the Senate floor was of these pro-Trump protesters denouncing
Governor Gretchen Whitmer bearing their long guns inside the capitol
State Senator Dayna Polehanki tweeting today, quote: Directly above me, men
with rifles yelling at us. Some of my colleagues who own bulletproof vests
are wearing them. I have never appreciated our sergeants-at-arms more than
That`s going to do it for us tonight. We`ll see you again tomorrow.
Now, it`s time for “THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL”.
Good evening, Lawrence.
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