Trump plans 4th of July celebration . TRANSCRIPT: 6/5/19, The Rachel Maddow Show.
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST, “ALL IN”: Senator Elizabeth Warren, I want to
thank all the folks here, in Ft. Wayne, Indiana. Thank you, Senator, very
To our wonderful hosts here, to all the people in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, you
did an amazing job hosting us. Thank you very much.
That does it for “ALL IN” this evening.
THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW starts right now.
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: I am joining the standing ovation for that
excellent town hall. Well done, my friend. I will talk to you in a
HAYES: Thank you very much.
MADDOW: Outstanding. What a well, well, well done town hall. Wow.
Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. That is a hard act to
follow. Fantastic town hall with Chris Hayes and Senator Elizabeth Warren
in a conservative corner of Indiana. That was just fascinating.
We`re going to be running through some of the highlights from that. We`re
also going to be talking to Chris live a little bit later on just in a few
minutes from now to talk with him about how he thinks that went and some of
the news that Senator Warren just made tonight. Very exciting.
But meanwhile, we are having another one of those days in this presidency
where it feels like President Richard Nixon wrote the first draft of what`s
about to happen here for us. He tried all the stuff before and showed how
it works out, but for whatever reason, our current president in this
current presidency either don`t know that Nixonian history, or they don`t
mind it, or maybe they think it will turn out differently if they try
Nixon`s playbook a second time around. It`s happening again.
In the spring of 1970, so about halfway through Nixon`s first term, when he
was starting to worry in earnest about his reelection prospects, things
were going pretty poorly for Richard Nixon on lots of fronts. On April
30th that year, 1970, Nixon gave a somber and poorly received primetime
address to the nation in which he asked for public support for him
expanding the wildly unpopular Vietnam war into a neighboring country.
Now, needless to say, the American people were not psyched about this, and
they were not persuaded by his arguments in that speech.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RICHARD NIXON, FORMER PRESIDENT: To protect our men who are in Vietnam,
and to guarantee the continued success of our withdrawal and Vietnamization
programs, I have concluded that the time has come for action.
This is not an invasion of Cambodia. The areas in which these attacks will
be launched are completely occupied and controlled by North Vietnamese
forces. Our purpose is not to occupy the areas. We take this action not
for the purpose of expanding the war into Cambodia, but for the purpose of
ending the war in Vietnam and winning the just peace we all desire.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: That was April 30th, 1970.
And, of course, by that time, the U.S. had already expanded the war into
Cambodia, but that was Nixon making this primetime public address,
basically retroactively asking for a public blessing of that expansion of
He did not get that public blessing. Within a week of that speech,
National Guard troops were shooting live ammunition at a student anti-war
protest in Ohio. Four students shot dead in Kent State less than a week
after that speech. Eleven days after Kent State, two more student
protesters shot dead at Jackson State in Mississippi. Another 12 students
were wounded by gunfire there. That was May 1970.
By June 1970, the Nixon administration had started casting about for some
sort of public gambit to try to reclaim the narrative, to try to change the
story. And in June 1970, they hit upon an idea that must have struck them
at the time as a sort of cheap and cheerful way to turn the whole mood of
the country around. At least that`s how they approached it.
“The New York Times” was first to break the news about their plans in mid-
June 1970. Quote: A small piece of scrap paper was taped on the lobby wall
of a Washington office building this week to notify the public of a new
tenant. On the paper in red crayon were the words “Honor America day
committee, Suite 506.” The new tenants set up headquarters in the capital
a few days ago. It`s planning Honor America Day in Washington on July 4th
– a series of patriotic activities highlighted by a mass rally and
fireworks display in the evening at the Washington Monument.
Although the committee is using crayons and scrap paper for signs, it`s
being directed by executives who wear expensive business suits and shiny
cuff links. The chairman of the executive committee is J. Willard
Marriott, 69-year-old owner of the Marriott Hotel and restaurant chain, a
friend of President Nixon`s, and incidentally, chairman of President
Nixon`s inaugural celebration.
Mr. Marriott said in an interview, quote, so many people are talking
adversely about America these days that we want to show that most people in
this country love America, despite her imperfections. We hope Honor
America Day will unify us fundamentally in our belief in our wonderful
So, this is mid-June, 1970, mid-June. Nixon has had this terrible spring,
expanding the Vietnam War, mass rejection of the expansion of the Vietnam
He had run for president saying he had a plan to end the war. Now here he
is expanding it. Having been caught expanding it, here he is explaining
why he did so and not persuading anyone.
They`re killing students who are protesting against the war on two
different college campuses in the previous month. Nixon administration`s
plan to turn it around is that in mid-June so, quick turnaround, right,
they decide they`d would rebrand the Fourth of July.
That year, starting in 1970, the fourth of July would be called honor
America day because the Fourth of July was somehow not redounding to the
president`s benefit. And so they thought maybe they could change that.
They could change the narrative around the fourth of July to make it a pro-
America, pro-Nixon or maybe even a pro-war kind of thing. Was that a good
idea to try to do that?
By the eve of the event, by July 3rd, it was already clear by the news
coverage about what was about to happen that that Fourth of July rebrand
was going to be a little bit weird.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This afternoon, some of the people who will probably
not attend tomorrow`s activities came by to see what was going on.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Here`s one more sound bite I think we`ve got from that day from
“Nightly News” on July 3rd.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dream (ph) band rehearsed its patriotic medley for
tomorrow`s activities while other final preparations were being made on the
Washington Monument grounds. As many as 400,000 people might show up. And
some people say Honor America day will be hawkish about the Indochina war.
Not so say the event`s organizers.
But any way, this afternoon, some of the people who will probably not
attend tomorrow`s activities came by to see what was going on.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: So that was July 3rd, “NBC Nightly News.”
The following day, July 4th, when Honor America Day rolled around, Nixon`s
effort to rebrand and take over July 4th as a pro-Nixon conservative pro-
war event in Washington, the stuff that happened on July 4th that day gave
– was the occasion for some of that classic golden era American news copy
that you never really see anymore. I mean, as good as the American press
generally is, and in particular how good – as good as the American press
is right now, you just don`t see writing like this anymore.
This was the headline in “The Times” in the main story what happened on
July 5th. The headline you can see there: Long-hairs clash with crew-cuts
at capital rally. Reporter Jack Rosenthal describing the persistent
outbreaks of violence at Honor America Day.
Quote: Before the bam of a fireworks display was over, about 20 policemen
and an unknown number of young people had suffered cuts, bruises, and
bloody noses. D.C. chief of police Jerry V. Wilson hovered close at the
confrontation between the long-hairs and the crew-cuts. The first group
started to march, carrying on their shoulders a young man waving a flag of
North Vietnam. They approached the advantage point of the other. Some of
whom had carried a Young Americans for Freedom sign in the morning`s
The crew-cuts plunged into the marcher, fists flying and toppled the flag
waver. Cool it, we`re not hurting you, a tall young man in an Indian
headband bellowed. If that is your g-damn country, then why don`t you go
there, the young man with a blond crew crut screamed back. In reply, a
fist came out of the crowd and connected squarely. A tear gas canister
fell into the space and the troops backtracked.
Helmeted riot policemen held back the long-hairs from the main audience.
Officers lost their temper, broke ranks and ran into the crowd and dragged
back demonstrators. As they sent those men to the ground, other
demonstrators began to plunge through the breach in the police line amid
shouts and running police reinforcements. More tear gas canisters went up.
Wind quickly carried the fumes into the audience, and within seconds, the
last 20 rows of spectators fled their seats.
John Harpers also wrote from “The Times” that day as well. Quote: As the
religious service began and Kate Smith was about to begin “God Bless
America,” about 100 of the youths marched through the water in the
reflecting pool chanting “one, two, three, four, we don`t want your
Quote, they moved in a body on to the land and tried to make their way
towards the dignitaries. The United States army band in starched uniforms
sat beside urns of flowers. And the large flags stretched halfway at the
steps. The Park Police on horseback drove the yippees back into the water.
Later in the day, later in the honor America program, more of the alienated
gathered at the reflecting pool and on the monument grounds and began their
smoke-in, which was not about smoking cigarettes. Apparently the joints
were red, white and blue that day in honor of the holiday. The smoke-in
had been advertised in the underground press long before Honor America Day.
By mid-afternoon, more than a thousand had gathered, some bathed nude.
Some later some turned over the trucks and the spotlights into the
Like I said, you don`t really get news copy like that anymore, no matter
the occasion. But the naked hippies, the pitched violent battles, the
clouds of tear gas, the cops on horseback running people into the
reflecting pool, the bloodied noses, the injured officers, the big trucks
with generators and spotlights on them turned over into the water, into the
reflecting pool. Happy Honor America Day.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REPORTER: This was certainly the biggest casualty of the demonstrators who
harassed Honor America Day in Washington. A searchlight and its generator
on a truck pushed into the reflecting pool. Five others got the water
treatment. So, there were only ten out of 16 searchlights available for
the big ceremony at night there was a picket fence around the area for the
invited guests, and there were some clashes here between the demonstrators
and the law.
All together, 54 persons were arrested by the city and the park police. By
midmorning, there was not much evidence of a crowd of hundreds of
thousands. A few piles of debris here and there, some attendants doing a
cleanup job and a few hippies sacked out here and there.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: A few hippies sacked out here and there. As evidenced of how well
honor America had gone to Nixon.
Trying to turn the whole country around, trying to get us all everybody,
everybody back on the Nixon train and in support of the war again. That
was what happened when president Richard Nixon in 1970 tried to take over
July 4th for himself and turn it into Honor America Day so it would somehow
provide some sort of political boost to him in what would soon be his
political reelection campaign.
That effort to hijack July 4th for his own purposes did not go well. There
is a reason we still just call it the Fourth of July, and the whole honor
America thing was never tried again. Nixon himself may have had some kind
of inkling that year it was not going to work, even though that whole thing
was organized by his inaugural chairman. It was clearly put together to
try to benefit the Nixon White House.
Nixon himself stayed away. He was in California. He sent a video message
as the naked hippies smoked this joints and the tear gas wafted through the
crowd and everybody beat everybody else up.
Washington, D.C. has hosted July 4th festivities to celebrate the nation`s
birthday every year for more than a century. It dates back to 1909, these
annual celebrations. Presidents themselves, though, generally don`t go to
the D.C. celebrations on Fourth of July. Sometimes they speak the day
before in D.C. at an event. Very often they do other Fourth of July
celebratory remarks or photo ops somewhere else in the country, or even
somewhere else in D.C.
But when Washington sets off fireworks and has a parade and has a concert
and celebrates the 4th on the Mall like they do every year, on the National
Mall, at the reflecting pool, around the monuments, presidents don`t go.
They get in the way. It`s been more than 60 years since any president
tried to put himself in the middle of that.
But today, confirmed, President Trump has decided that this year the Fourth
of July should be for him. The president had previously announced his
intention that he would this year rebrand Fourth of July celebration in
Washington, D.C. as a salute to America. It`s basically the same idea as
Nixon`s Honor America Day.
But again, even Nixon had the sense to personally stay away from his effort
to turn the Fourth of July into a pro-Nixon thing. But according to the
Park Police, President Trump is not going to be staying away. The Park
Police confirms today that President Trump plans to address the nation
square in the middle of the D.C. festivities, which he is rebranding. He
plans to speak from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
As first reported by “The Washington Post” today, quote, a spokesperson for
the U.S. Park Police has confirmed the agency has been notified that Trump
definitely plans to speak at the Memorial. Meaning at the Lincoln
In order to accommodate the president`s plans to speak at the event, they
also have to move the fireworks. The fireworks are always on the Mall.
But this year because Trump is going to be on the mall, the fireworks
instead will be at West Potomac Park, which I`m sure will be fine. I`m
sure it will all go fine. I`m sure it will be seamless and dignified and
not at all partisan or embarrassing, and everything will just go step by
step, just as they intend.
It will have the desired effect, because, you know, if nothing else, this
president and this presidency, they great at the protocol stuff, right?
And the ceremonial stuff. Last night on this show we showed this picture
from the president`s trip to Buckingham Palace. We showed this in part
because of the news value of the fact that the president`s adult children
It has been something of a mystery as to why U.S. taxpayers just paid for
all of the president`s adult children and their spouses to be brought to
Great Britain to meet the royal family and attend all the state dinners
stuff, despite the fact that they have no role in the government. I mean,
Jared and Ivanka have a role in the government. The other Trump adult
children and children in law don`t have a role in the U.S. government.
What are they doing at taxpayer expense participating in all of these
Now, we showed this image last night. What we did not notice when we
showed the image last night is all of the Trump adult children in the
photograph are posing for these photographs directly in front of a sign at
Buckingham Palace that says “no photography allowed.”
But hey, who cares? It`s somebody else`s house. We are the Trumps. We`re
here you. Deal with it. Thank you for having us. Are we invited back?
Last night on the show, we`d also tried to sound a little bit of a warning
about the possible weirdness of the president`s trip to Ireland today after
he left the U.K. You`ll recall that president Trump had tried to demand
that the Irish prime minister should meet him at the Trump golf course in
Ireland so that not just the government of the United States but the
government of Ireland would also be roped into a free infomercial
advertising the location and amenities of the president`s for-profit golf
club in Ireland, which frankly apparently needs the boost. Financially,
that golf course has been sort of a disaster.
The Irish government declined the opportunity to help President Trump
market his golf course. They said no, we are not going to send the prime
minister there. They instead offered a nearby castle where other foreign
leaders have paid official visits in the past. The White House apparently
did not like that idea. And so, we knew it was going to be a little weird
today when we found out that the president`s meeting with the prime
minister was going to be literally at the VIP lounge at the Shannon
This was the meeting site today. You saw they pulled kind of a sheer
curtain behind them. But I don`t know if that`s like a whiteboard behind
them, behind the curtain or what that is. You can tell this is kind of
like next to the vending machines.
It was – the setting and the negotiations that led to the meeting in the
first place were weird, and then the president started to talk. .
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We`ll be discussing various
things. Probably you`ll ask me about Brexit, because I just left some very
good people that are very much involved with Brexit, as you know. And I
think that will all work out. It will all work out very well, and also for
you, with your wall, your border. I mean, we have a border situation in
the United States and you have one over here. But I hear it`s going to
work out very well.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Ugh. Your wall, with your border.
The president meeting with the Irish prime minister in Ireland. The first
words out of his mouth at the meeting are about how Ireland, you know,
ought to have a wall on its border. Or don`t you have a wall on your
boarder? How`s your wall?
Have you guys thought about your boarder? I mean, just erase your mind for
a second. Forget everything you might have ever heard or ever known about
Ireland and Northern Ireland. Like right – I mean, any political
Even if you bleach your brain to the point where nothing is left in terms
of cognizance in terms of what might be a sensitive subject there, even
though sew in this lobotomized state where you have had your brain wiped of
all knowledge of Ireland, Northern Ireland and the potential question of a
border wall there, you still with this hypothetical lobotomy would still
not sit down with the Irish prime minister and suggest first words out of
your mouth, hey, you know, your border wall is going to be awesome.
It`s not like Ireland and Northern Ireland have ever had an issue around
that border. There has never been any sort of conflict there, right?
Ireland, Northern Ireland, that`s all been cool. First thing he said.
I mean, part of the Brexit disaster is that if the U.K. leaves the European
Union while Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. So, in Brexit,
particularly a no-deal Brexit, Northern Ireland will go with the U.K. when
they leave the European Union. Northern Ireland will leave the European
Union. And, of course, Ireland is still in the European Union.
So, if the U.K. presses ahead with Brexit, particularly the way the
president wants them to, which is no deal, catastrophic Brexit, one of the
potential consequences of that is that the Northern Ireland six counties,
right, will no longer be in the European Union while Ireland is still in
the European Union. And that means the border, the dividing line, the
customs line between Europe and not Europe, between the E.U. and not the
E.U. could be the line between Ireland and Northern Ireland, where there is
not a wall today.
And that`s very hard one where the disputed idea of a border between the
six counties in the north and the rest of the counties in the south has
quite recently, within, you know, my lifetime been the cause of thousands
of lives lost. Nevertheless, the president today jumps into it with both
feet – it will all work out very well with your wall, your border.
The Irish prime minister sat sort of perfectly still while the president
made those initial remarks, and then this was the first thing he was able
to get out of his own mouth at today`s bilateral meeting.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LEO VARADKAR, IRISH PRIME MINISTER: The main thing we want to avoid, of
course, is a border wall between both sides.
TRUMP: Oh, I think you do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Oh, yes, I think you do. Yes, I think you do, yes.
The prime minister later had the give separate and more elaborate remarks
to further try to clean up and limit the damage of what President Donald
Trump did with those comments, suggesting a newly built, a rebuilt wall
between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
I mean, it was just – it`s just – if you have any sense of that conflict
and what it has taken to resolve it to the degree that it is resolved.
Again, over the course of our lifetimes, right? This is recent stuff.
For any prominent American in any position, even just somebody in a
business position, somebody in sports, to have gone over to Ireland and
have done that. It would be a terrible thing for any American of any
prominence to have done.
But for a president to have done it? I mean, with those careless,
reckless, ignorant remarks alone, this president earned this headline today
if “Esquire” magazine, quote, the president is traveling the world, finding
new problems to make worse.
But after that triumph, the president will head tomorrow to the 75-year
commemoration of the D-Day landings, and I`m sure that will go excellent as
well. It`s definitely no opportunity there for him to make any
substantially worse, right?
As President Trump heads now toward the end of this careening circus of
pratfall embarrassments on this overseas trip, the seriousness of the stuff
he is getting wrong and the stuff that he is screwing up is also trailing
him in the American press.
Columnist David Ignatius at “The Washington Post” is now reporting that
although the U.K. has historically been our closest overseas ally on
intelligence matter, quote, former British officials now believe that MI-6
has begun to worry about sharing its most sensitive secrets with the U.S.
for fear they may be disclosed by the Trump White House for political
reasons or through simple carelessness.
Quote: You never know what Trump will say or do or tell in a rage, and that
is something to worry about, quoting a former British official. Quote: The
U.S. has become a less reliable ally.
So that`s what the president has accomplished on this foreign trip. It has
been less than ideal. And while he has been gone, the domestic
conversation about him at home has been dominated by the mushrooming debate
over whether or not Democrats should open impeachment hearings into him.
Former Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid now says he is in favor of
impeachment proceedings being opened even though he was previously and
quite recently opposed. Harry Reid remains a very influential figure,
particularly among the congressional leadership of the Democratic Party.
So, Reid now speaking out on this issue, may make a dent. Both “The New
York Times” and “The Washington Post” have now on their opinion editorial
pages publishes draft impeachment articles for president Trump in case the
Democrats need a little head start in writing stuff.
Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the Democrats in the House, is still saying
that she is not in favor of opening impeachment proceedings, at least not
yet. But the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, all of them, all of
the millions of them who are lining up to run against Trump now, they are
all running in a context now in which impeachment proceedings are less
debated among Democrats than cheered in public venues. And with each
passing day, impeachment proceedings become more and more of an
expectation, not just something to be discussed.
New polls out today show the president in head to head matchups losing the
state of North Carolina in the presidential election to Joe Biden or Bernie
Sanders or Pete Buttigieg. That Emerson poll out of North Carolina shows
Trump tying in that state with Elizabeth Warren.
New poll out today from the “Detroit News” in Michigan shows Trump losing
Michigan to Joe Biden by 12 points. He also loses to Bernie Sanders, also
loses to Pete Buttigieg, also loses to Kamala Harris, also loses to
A new Quinnipiac poll out of Texas, Texas, shows Trump losing Texas to Joe
Biden and only barely pipping Elizabeth Warren in the state of Texas by one
So, the Fourth of July this year will not be the Fourth of July. It will
be a salute to America. Nixon tried that before with Honor America Day.
I`m sure this time, though, it will work out great. I`m sure this time,
the second draft of what Nixon tried to do will work way better when the
Trump administration tries to pull it off because they are great at this
kind of stuff.
Elizabeth Warren just wrapped up her town hall in South Bend, Indiana.
We`re going to talk live with Chris Hayes, right after this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: What do you say if someone says, look, I agree with you on
substance, but if you look at the polling, right, Americans have cross
pressure views on abortion, there is strong support for keeping Roe v.
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes. Three out of
four people want to keep it.
HAYES: Absolutely. But if you say government funding abortion, the
polling flips the other way. It`s not necessarily a majority position.
And what do you say if someone says, no, this is the smart political move
if you need to win in a general election to support the Hyde amendment?
WARREN: This is not about politics. What this is about is about health
care, about reproductive freedom, about economic freedom and about equal
opportunity for all women. That`s what this is really about.
HAYES: So then the final question I guess is are there things, right, I
mean, it would be amazing to live in the world where the right policy was
always the best politics.
HAYES: But it`s not the world we live in, right? I guess my question is,
are there things where you think substantively that`s probably the right
thing to do, but 70 percent of the public doesn`t like it? Or that might
be a good policy, but that`s going to be a very tough sale in Pennsylvania?
WARREN: Look, the way I see this is this is what leadership is about. You
really do work through what you believe is right. And you get out there.
And if most of America isn`t with you, then you talk about it, and you make
the arguments and you listen.
WARREN: Because maybe you don`t have it right. But that`s the whole
point. You start with what you believe is right and then you get out there
and fight for it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Joining us now is Chris Hayes, the host of “ALL IN WITH CHRIS
HAYES” on this network who just conducted that town hall in Indiana with
Chris, thank you for sticking around. I know you`re on the down swing of
your adrenaline right now, and so, if you need to pass out live on the air,
you just feel free, my friend.
HAYES: No, I`m good. I`ve got any jacket off. It`s a little warm in
here, but I`m good. The candidate is behind me doing selfies with every
last person who is here, which is a Elizabeth Warren town hall policy, I`m
MADDOW: Wow. So, she still has the energy to be doing that after a solid
hour fielding questions from everybody in that room and from you.
How did you think it went? And what did you learn?
HAYES: Well, I think you get – these circumstances, they`re hard. It`s a
high-wire act. We did this live. You`re talking to different kinds of
people, and you sort of see political chops, whether a candidate can listen
to people, actually hear what they say, actually respond.
She is extremely well-prepared. She – I mean, whether people agree with
her or not or whether they come to the conclusion that she is the strongest
political candidate against Trump, which are two things to bracket for a
moment, what I think is clear is that she has a whole set of ideas of
things she wants to do and a means of explaining them to people who haven`t
heard them before. And a kind of theory of the case about what`s wrong and
how to fix it that kind of match together. And that`s a certain
fundamental part of political storytelling that I think she has a real
knack for and has been doing a very good job on the trail. And I think you
see it reflected tonight.
MADDOW: Chris, I want to play another little piece of sound from the town
hall. This was her talking about abortion right, her talking about the
Hyde Amendment. I want to make sure with the control room that we`ve got
that ready to go.
One of the reasons I want to ask you about this is because this is a very
hot issue right now among the Democratic candidates. There is definitely
some disagreement among the Democratic candidates on the issue of the Hyde
Amendment, whether or not there should be a full scale ban on funding for
anything related to abortion services in federally supported health
But, it`s also – it also struck me that she`s in Indiana in this red state
in a conservative part of Indiana talking about abortion rights. And I
want to ask you about sort of the tenor of that. Let me play the sound
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: A huge part of your story personally, when you talk about your
trajectory, which is a really remarkable one is making a bunch of decisions
buffeted against different forces. Can you find child care? One of those
is whether you can control your reproductive freedom.
HAYES: Women are making decisions about whether they`re going to school,
things like that. There is an interesting thing that happened today that
Vice President Joe Biden came out in support and said he would not support
repealing the Hyde Amendment. That is a provision of federal law that bars
the federal government from funding abortion services for Medicare,
Medicaid, and others. You disagree with that position.
WARREN: Yes, I do.
HAYES: Is Joe Biden wrong?
HAYES: Why is he wrong?
WARREN: Here`s how I look at this. I`ve lived in America where abortions
WARREN: And understand this. Women still got abortions. Now some got
lucky on what happened and some got really unlucky on what happened.
But the bottom line is they were there. And under the Hyde Amendment,
under every one of these efforts to try to chip away or to push back or to
get rid of Roe versus Wade, understand this. Women of means will still
have access to abortions. Who won`t will be poor women, will be working
women, will be women who can`t afford to take off three days from work,
will be very young women, will be women who`ve been raped, will be women
who have been molested by someone in their own family.
We do not pass laws that take away that freedom from the women who are most
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Very intense moment in that town hall. Obviously, her intensity
on the subject is palpable. But tell me about that in the room in terms of
how that`s greeted there. Obviously, it was going to be a place where you
don`t have unanimity in this issue even within the Democratic Party.
HAYES: You know, it was very intense. And obviously, look, I think there
is a certain way in which there is – there is an expression of one`s
political views on this issue that are just not possible for a man to do.
I mean, I just think a woman is going to have a connection to that and be
able to talk about it in an intimate and way that she did that is very hard
for a man to do, frankly, and understandably, right?
But I think that what you saw there is, A, the passion. And B, this is the
thing that I think is very interesting about warren as a candidate. She
doesn`t do a lot of shading. She doesn`t do a lot of too cute by half.
She doesn`t do a lot of needle threading.
If you say like should we repeal the Bush tax cuts, you know, the Trump tax
cuts? Yes. Are you for this bill? Yes, I`m a co-sponsor. Repeal the
Hyde amendment? Yes.
Like you get very direct and kind of engraved policy positions that she
will then argue and fight for. Now people might disagree. Like it is the
case that some people will be alienated by those positions because people
disagree on stuff. But what you do not get is a lot of gray area hedging
and kind of tap dancing.
MADDOW: Chris Hayes, my friend, colleague, host of the show at 8:00 p.m.
on this network and the person who is better at town halls than anybody in
this business. Chris, fantastic job tonight. Thank you for sticking
HAYES: Thanks, thanks, thanks, it means a lot. Thank you.
MADDOW: Much appreciated. Congratulations.
All right. Much more to come tonight. Stay with us.
MADDOW: Nominee for worst road trip ever.
Today, campaign figure – Trump campaign figure George Nader was to be
driven by two FBI agents from Brooklyn in New York City to Virginia to face
a federal child pornography charge.
George Nader took frequent meetings with senior Trump campaign officials in
2016. He arranged a meeting during the transition to set up back channel
between the Trump transition and the Kremlin. He was a frequent visitor to
the White House after the inauguration.
George Nader has spent the last couple of nights in a Brooklyn detention
facility after being arrested Monday at JFK airport. But the child
pornography charge wasn`t filed against him in New York. It was filed
against him in Virginia. So a New York federal judge ordered him driven
down to Virginia today to face the music. We now expect his first court
appearance in Virginia tomorrow.
George Nader was a major witness for the Mueller investigation. He was
reportedly given at least partial immunity in exchange for his testimony to
the grand jury and to Mueller`s investigators. Nader is cited dozens of
times in footnotes in the Mueller report about Russian efforts to interfere
in our election and Russian overtures to Trump and his campaign and his
administration. But George Nader was also an intermediary for at least two
other countries that were apparently trying to help Trump during the
campaign. He was also an emissary for the governments of both Saudi Arabia
and the United Arab Emirates.
Now, according to a recent story in “The New York Times” this past weekend,
the interventions by those countries and the contacts between George Nader
and the Trump campaign that related to those countries` interests, those
are all apparently still the subject of ongoing federal investigations.
“The New York Times” has done some in-depth new reporting on Emirati
influence, including possible improper influence on the 2016 election.
Reportedly, federal investigators are still looking at that.
But here`s my question. Are the intelligence committees in Congress being
brief odd about that? I mean, is that investigation derived from Mueller`s
work? Is it a totally are separate thing? I mean, for all the times that
George Nader`s name is mentioned in volume one of Mueller`s report, the
volume about Russian interference in the 2016 election, George Nader`s work
for the Emiratis and the Saudis is not addressed at all.
Did the counterintelligence investigation include any of that stuff from
the other countries, and what happened to that counterintelligence
I mean, volume one of Mueller`s report raises all kinds of scary prospects
that are just not resolved at all in what we`ve seen from Mueller. I mean,
why did Russian military intelligence target election systems in key
counties in Florida and North Carolina? “The Washington Post” reports
today that finally this long after the election, federal investigators are
just now asking to look at the computers that were allegedly targeted by
the Russians in North Carolina. OK, about time.
I mean, is this stuff being followed up? There is one powerful house
chairman who may be in a better position than anybody else in Congress to
answer that question, and he has just announced that he`s about to convene
a whole series of hearings specifically on volume one of the Mueller report
and all the questions that it raises.
Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff joins us live next.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): We will be doing a series of hearings, and we had
one a few weeks ago, but we`ll be doing a series of hearings in the Intel
Committee on volume one of the Mueller report. And I think probably the
first that we will do will focus on the counterintelligence investigation
where we`ll have experts to help shed light on what is a
counterintelligence investigation, what does it mean that this began as a
C.I. investigation, not as a criminal probe?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Joining us now is Chairman Adam Schiff of the House Intelligence
Mr. Chairman, thanks very much for being here tonight. I really appreciate
SCHIFF: Great to be with you.
MADDOW: So, that was you announcing that your committee is going to hold a
series of hearings on volume one of the Mueller report that focuses on what
Russia did. What can you tell us about those planned hearings?
SCHIFF: It will begin on Wednesday with a hearing with former
counterintelligence heads from the FBI to answer exactly those questions.
What is a counterintelligence investigation? What do we know from the
Mueller report? What does it mean that there were counterintelligence
agents embedded in Mueller`s team? What would have happened to those
What does it mean that a delegation was sent from Moscow to meet with the
top people of the Trump campaign in a secret meeting? What was the
significance of their appeals on the Magnitsky Act? Would the Russians
have not only wanted to meddle to help Trump win, but also communicated to
the Trump campaign that they were helping in hopes of getting repeal of
sanctions or doing away with the Magnitsky Act? Why would this be of great
concern to the FBI and our intelligence agencies?
So we`ll be exploring and bringing to life these parts of the Mueller
report as well as the one you just mentioned, which is what do we know from
this report about Russian intrusions into voting systems and voter
databases and what does that mean in terms of our ability to protect the
MADDOW: In terms of voting systems and voter databases, this is a very
disturbing report today in the “Washington Post” that North Carolina
officials say that they have been asking Homeland Security Department for a
year and a half to look with some technical acuity at the computers that
may have been compromised by Russian malware or Russian intrusion efforts
ahead of the 2016 elections. Those hard drives and those computers have
reportedly been imaged so that there is the possibility of looking at them
and seeing what may have happened to them.
There were counties in North Carolina that had real trouble in terms of
their voting polls, their rotes rolls, long lines, poll books failing.
Those seemed to have overlapped a little bit with some of the counties that
may have been targeted by this Russian effort ahead of the election, to
target some voting infrastructure.
I`m concerned that it`s taken the Department of Homeland Security a year
and a half to respond to the state in terms of trying to get help on this.
SCHIFF: Well, I share that concern, and this is not something that happens
terribly infrequently, unfortunately. We see this kind of lack of
coordination all too regularly. In the Mueller report, there is a
reference, for example, that we the Mueller team did not look into these
intrusions beyond what we`re telling you in the report. We assume that the
FBI did that.
But that assumption may not be correct. I don`t know how much of a
forensic examination the FBI did. I don`t know how much coordination there
was between the bureau and some of these state boards of elections or
county boards of elections. And, of course, you know, some counties take
the view, hey, that`s our business. Stay out.
But if you`re a county in a swing state that could affect the presidential
election, it`s not just a county matter. It`s a national matter.
So we are going to look into this, and I think it`s very important to
underscore that these investigations we`re doing, not just in the Mueller
report or Russia, it`s not about Trump. It`s not about even the Congress.
It`s about protecting the public from not just this president but any
president that acts in an autocratic or unethical way. It`s about
protecting our voting infrastructure from any adversary, not just Russia.
And there`s obviously a key stake in this for all the country.
MADDOW: In terms of the type of attack that we`re talking about here in
North Carolina, you raise a good point that local election officials and
states that have responsibility for conducting their own elections are
understandably protective about their own election infrastructure. In this
case, though, what Mueller describes and what we`re now finally seeing some
follow-up on is that local elections officials and local elections
infrastructure was targeted by a foreign military intelligence operation
which puts it seemingly squarely under your oversight as chairman of House
One of the things you and I have talked about over the past few weeks and
months is that thing that ought to be under your purview, that the
intelligence agencies and the FBI ought to be briefing to you as chairman
of the intelligence committee if not to your full committee, just have been
kept from you. And I guess I wonder if there`s any evolution in that in
terms of you understanding what you haven`t been told that you ought to
have been told and if you`ve been able to make any progress with getting
the briefings that you think you need?
SCHIFF: You know, this is an area in terms of voting infrastructure that`s
deep interest to us and also to the homeland security committee which has
done some great work in looking at our vulnerabilities going forward. In
terms of how many answers we`ve been able to get on the intelligence
committee, we`ve been able to get some. And, you know, there – the
Justice Department has started to provide us documents and I was over
reading them at the Justice Department this week. It`s an important
beginning of I hope more fulsome providing of documents.
But on those fundamental questions you`re asking and we`ve been asking,
what happened to the counterintelligence investigation, what were the
findings from that investigation? We still can`t get an answer. I have to
say, it`s very concerning that it`s so hard to get an answer to these very
And it makes you wonder, did someone already drop the ball here or are
there findings they don`t Congress to have for whatever reason? Do they
shed negative light on people currently in the administration for which
there may be concerns? You know, we`re also trying to find out about the
security clearances given to people that apparently shouldn`t have gotten
them. Are those some of the people for whom counterintelligence concerns
These questions are ones that just need to be answered. And, you know, I
think in our structure, the framers fully anticipate Donald Trump per se,
but they anticipated that either the country would be in a position of
electing the wrong person or that someone would be elected and they would
become corrupt with power in office and Congress needed to have the power
to compel answer and hold them accountable. And that is exactly what we
MADDOW: Congressman Adam Schiff, the chairman of the Intelligence
Committee in the House – sir, I appreciate you being here tonight. Keep
SCHIFF: Thank you.
MADDOW: We`ll be right back. Stay with us.
MADDOW: One of the news stories we`ve been watching this week is the fight
being waged in Missouri where the Republican-role controlled government
there is trying to end legal abortion in that state. They have not only
passed a ban on abortion, that state government right now is trying this
week to take away the license of the last remaining abortion clinic in
Missouri. This, of course, has gone to court. Tonight, right now, we are
awaiting the ruling from a judge to find out whether or not that judge is
going to let the state shut down account state`s last clinic, just cancel
legal abortion access.
This fight has put the spotlight on Missouri nationwide. I mean, If they
do shut down that last clinic, Missouri will be the first state to go dark
in terms of abortion access since the Roe versus Wade ruling in 1973.
But there is something else going on Missouri that has not been in the
spotlight. Over the course of reporting this story, we have come into some
information about how this fight has been playing out, specifically about
what is already happening to women seek abortions in Missouri as of this
week, as that last Missouri abortion clinic is fighting in court to stay
We have discovered this. It`s an exclusive story that nobody else has. I
think it`s going to make national news. We are preparing a special report
on it now. It will lead tomorrow night`s show. You don`t want to miss it.
Stay with us.
MADDOW: That does do to for us tonight. We will see you again tomorrow
where again we will be leading the show tomorrow with a special report on
something that is happening alongside the national focus on Missouri right
now on abortion rights.
Roe versus Wade is the law of the land since 1973 in terms of guaranteeing
a woman`s constitutional right to access abortion services in this country.
Missouri is trying to become the first state to have zero legal abortion
providers. Something that is happened in the past couple of weeks in
Missouri as the last clinic there has fought to stay open.
We are going to have an exclusive special report on that tomorrow night.
We will see you then.
Now, it`s time for “THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL”.
Good evening, Lawrence.
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