Trump plans 4th of July celebration . TRANSCRIPT: 6/5/19, The Rachel Maddow Show.

Adam Schiff

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST, “ALL IN”:  Senator Elizabeth Warren, I want to

thank all the folks here, in Ft. Wayne, Indiana.  Thank you, Senator, very



To our wonderful hosts here, to all the people in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, you

did an amazing job hosting us.  Thank you very much. 


That does it for “ALL IN” this evening. 


THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW starts right now. 


RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST:  I am joining the standing ovation for that

excellent town hall.  Well done, my friend.  I will talk to you in a

minute.  Outstanding. 


HAYES:  Thank you very much. 


MADDOW:  Outstanding.  What a well, well, well done town hall.  Wow. 


Thanks to you at home for joining us this hour.  That is a hard act to

follow.  Fantastic town hall with Chris Hayes and Senator Elizabeth Warren

in a conservative corner of Indiana.  That was just fascinating. 


We`re going to be running through some of the highlights from that.  We`re

also going to be talking to Chris live a little bit later on just in a few

minutes from now to talk with him about how he thinks that went and some of

the news that Senator Warren just made tonight.  Very exciting. 


But meanwhile, we are having another one of those days in this presidency

where it feels like President Richard Nixon wrote the first draft of what`s

about to happen here for us.  He tried all the stuff before and showed how

it works out, but for whatever reason, our current president in this

current presidency either don`t know that Nixonian history, or they don`t

mind it, or maybe they think it will turn out differently if they try

Nixon`s playbook a second time around.  It`s happening again. 


In the spring of 1970, so about halfway through Nixon`s first term, when he

was starting to worry in earnest about his reelection prospects, things

were going pretty poorly for Richard Nixon on lots of fronts.  On April

30th that year, 1970, Nixon gave a somber and poorly received primetime

address to the nation in which he asked for public support for him

expanding the wildly unpopular Vietnam war into a neighboring country. 


Now, needless to say, the American people were not psyched about this, and

they were not persuaded by his arguments in that speech. 




RICHARD NIXON, FORMER PRESIDENT:  To protect our men who are in Vietnam,

and to guarantee the continued success of our withdrawal and Vietnamization

programs, I have concluded that the time has come for action. 


This is not an invasion of Cambodia.  The areas in which these attacks will

be launched are completely occupied and controlled by North Vietnamese

forces.  Our purpose is not to occupy the areas.  We take this action not

for the purpose of expanding the war into Cambodia, but for the purpose of

ending the war in Vietnam and winning the just peace we all desire. 




MADDOW:  That was April 30th, 1970. 


And, of course, by that time, the U.S. had already expanded the war into

Cambodia, but that was Nixon making this primetime public address,

basically retroactively asking for a public blessing of that expansion of

the war. 


He did not get that public blessing.  Within a week of that speech,

National Guard troops were shooting live ammunition at a student anti-war

protest in Ohio.  Four students shot dead in Kent State less than a week

after that speech.  Eleven days after Kent State, two more student

protesters shot dead at Jackson State in Mississippi.  Another 12 students

were wounded by gunfire there.  That was May 1970. 


By June 1970, the Nixon administration had started casting about for some

sort of public gambit to try to reclaim the narrative, to try to change the

story.  And in June 1970, they hit upon an idea that must have struck them

at the time as a sort of cheap and cheerful way to turn the whole mood of

the country around.  At least that`s how they approached it. 


“The New York Times” was first to break the news about their plans in mid-

June 1970.  Quote: A small piece of scrap paper was taped on the lobby wall

of a Washington office building this week to notify the public of a new

tenant.  On the paper in red crayon were the words “Honor America day

committee, Suite 506.”  The new tenants set up headquarters in the capital

a few days ago.  It`s planning Honor America Day in Washington on July 4th

– a series of patriotic activities highlighted by a mass rally and

fireworks display in the evening at the Washington Monument. 


Although the committee is using crayons and scrap paper for signs, it`s

being directed by executives who wear expensive business suits and shiny

cuff links.  The chairman of the executive committee is J. Willard

Marriott, 69-year-old owner of the Marriott Hotel and restaurant chain, a

friend of President Nixon`s, and incidentally, chairman of President

Nixon`s inaugural celebration. 


Mr. Marriott said in an interview, quote, so many people are talking

adversely about America these days that we want to show that most people in

this country love America, despite her imperfections.  We hope Honor

America Day will unify us fundamentally in our belief in our wonderful



So, this is mid-June, 1970, mid-June.  Nixon has had this terrible spring,

expanding the Vietnam War, mass rejection of the expansion of the Vietnam



He had run for president saying he had a plan to end the war.  Now here he

is expanding it.  Having been caught expanding it, here he is explaining

why he did so and not persuading anyone. 


They`re killing students who are protesting against the war on two

different college campuses in the previous month.  Nixon administration`s

plan to turn it around is that in mid-June so, quick turnaround, right,

they decide they`d would rebrand the Fourth of July. 


That year, starting in 1970, the fourth of July would be called honor

America day because the Fourth of July was somehow not redounding to the

president`s benefit.  And so they thought maybe they could change that. 

They could change the narrative around the fourth of July to make it a pro-

America, pro-Nixon or maybe even a pro-war kind of thing.  Was that a good

idea to try to do that? 


By the eve of the event, by July 3rd, it was already clear by the news

coverage about what was about to happen that that Fourth of July rebrand

was going to be a little bit weird. 




UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  This afternoon, some of the people who will probably

not attend tomorrow`s activities came by to see what was going on. 




MADDOW:  Here`s one more sound bite I think we`ve got from that day from

“Nightly News” on July 3rd. 




UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Dream (ph) band rehearsed its patriotic medley for

tomorrow`s activities while other final preparations were being made on the

Washington Monument grounds.  As many as 400,000 people might show up.  And

some people say Honor America day will be hawkish about the Indochina war. 

Not so say the event`s organizers. 


But any way, this afternoon, some of the people who will probably not

attend tomorrow`s activities came by to see what was going on. 




MADDOW:  So that was July 3rd, “NBC Nightly News.”


The following day, July 4th, when Honor America Day rolled around, Nixon`s

effort to rebrand and take over July 4th as a pro-Nixon conservative pro-

war event in Washington, the stuff that happened on July 4th that day gave

– was the occasion for some of that classic golden era American news copy

that you never really see anymore.  I mean, as good as the American press

generally is, and in particular how good – as good as the American press

is right now, you just don`t see writing like this anymore. 


This was the headline in “The Times” in the main story what happened on

July 5th.  The headline you can see there: Long-hairs clash with crew-cuts

at capital rally.  Reporter Jack Rosenthal describing the persistent

outbreaks of violence at Honor America Day. 


Quote: Before the bam of a fireworks display was over, about 20 policemen

and an unknown number of young people had suffered cuts, bruises, and

bloody noses.  D.C. chief of police Jerry V. Wilson hovered close at the

confrontation between the long-hairs and the crew-cuts.  The first group

started to march, carrying on their shoulders a young man waving a flag of

North Vietnam.  They approached the advantage point of the other.  Some of

whom had carried a Young Americans for Freedom sign in the morning`s



The crew-cuts plunged into the marcher, fists flying and toppled the flag

waver.  Cool it, we`re not hurting you, a tall young man in an Indian

headband bellowed.  If that is your g-damn country, then why don`t you go

there, the young man with a blond crew crut screamed back.  In reply, a

fist came out of the crowd and connected squarely.  A tear gas canister

fell into the space and the troops backtracked. 


Helmeted riot policemen held back the long-hairs from the main audience. 

Officers lost their temper, broke ranks and ran into the crowd and dragged

back demonstrators.  As they sent those men to the ground, other

demonstrators began to plunge through the breach in the police line amid

shouts and running police reinforcements.  More tear gas canisters went up. 

Wind quickly carried the fumes into the audience, and within seconds, the

last 20 rows of spectators fled their seats. 


John Harpers also wrote from “The Times” that day as well.  Quote: As the

religious service began and Kate Smith was about to begin “God Bless

America,” about 100 of the youths marched through the water in the

reflecting pool chanting “one, two, three, four, we don`t want your

bleeping war.” 


Quote, they moved in a body on to the land and tried to make their way

towards the dignitaries.  The United States army band in starched uniforms

sat beside urns of flowers.  And the large flags stretched halfway at the

steps.  The Park Police on horseback drove the yippees back into the water. 


Later in the day, later in the honor America program, more of the alienated

gathered at the reflecting pool and on the monument grounds and began their

smoke-in, which was not about smoking cigarettes.  Apparently the joints

were red, white and blue that day in honor of the holiday.  The smoke-in

had been advertised in the underground press long before Honor America Day. 


By mid-afternoon, more than a thousand had gathered, some bathed nude. 

Some later some turned over the trucks and the spotlights into the

reflecting pool. 


Like I said, you don`t really get news copy like that anymore, no matter

the occasion.  But the naked hippies, the pitched violent battles, the

clouds of tear gas, the cops on horseback running people into the

reflecting pool, the bloodied noses, the injured officers, the big trucks

with generators and spotlights on them turned over into the water, into the

reflecting pool.  Happy Honor America Day. 




REPORTER:  This was certainly the biggest casualty of the demonstrators who

harassed Honor America Day in Washington.  A searchlight and its generator

on a truck pushed into the reflecting pool.  Five others got the water

treatment.  So, there were only ten out of 16 searchlights available for

the big ceremony at night there was a picket fence around the area for the

invited guests, and there were some clashes here between the demonstrators

and the law. 


All together, 54 persons were arrested by the city and the park police.  By

midmorning, there was not much evidence of a crowd of hundreds of

thousands.  A few piles of debris here and there, some attendants doing a

cleanup job and a few hippies sacked out here and there. 




MADDOW:  A few hippies sacked out here and there.  As evidenced of how well

honor America had gone to Nixon.


Trying to turn the whole country around, trying to get us all everybody,

everybody back on the Nixon train and in support of the war again.  That

was what happened when president Richard Nixon in 1970 tried to take over

July 4th for himself and turn it into Honor America Day so it would somehow

provide some sort of political boost to him in what would soon be his

political reelection campaign. 


That effort to hijack July 4th for his own purposes did not go well.  There

is a reason we still just call it the Fourth of July, and the whole honor

America thing was never tried again.  Nixon himself may have had some kind

of inkling that year it was not going to work, even though that whole thing

was organized by his inaugural chairman.  It was clearly put together to

try to benefit the Nixon White House. 


Nixon himself stayed away.  He was in California.  He sent a video message

as the naked hippies smoked this joints and the tear gas wafted through the

crowd and everybody beat everybody else up. 


Washington, D.C. has hosted July 4th festivities to celebrate the nation`s

birthday every year for more than a century.  It dates back to 1909, these

annual celebrations.  Presidents themselves, though, generally don`t go to

the D.C. celebrations on Fourth of July.  Sometimes they speak the day

before in D.C. at an event.  Very often they do other Fourth of July

celebratory remarks or photo ops somewhere else in the country, or even

somewhere else in D.C. 


But when Washington sets off fireworks and has a parade and has a concert

and celebrates the 4th on the Mall like they do every year, on the National

Mall, at the reflecting pool, around the monuments, presidents don`t go. 

They get in the way.  It`s been more than 60 years since any president

tried to put himself in the middle of that. 


But today, confirmed, President Trump has decided that this year the Fourth

of July should be for him.  The president had previously announced his

intention that he would this year rebrand Fourth of July celebration in

Washington, D.C. as a salute to America.  It`s basically the same idea as

Nixon`s Honor America Day. 


But again, even Nixon had the sense to personally stay away from his effort

to turn the Fourth of July into a pro-Nixon thing.  But according to the

Park Police, President Trump is not going to be staying away.  The Park

Police confirms today that President Trump plans to address the nation

square in the middle of the D.C. festivities, which he is rebranding.  He

plans to speak from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. 


As first reported by “The Washington Post” today, quote, a spokesperson for

the U.S. Park Police has confirmed the agency has been notified that Trump

definitely plans to speak at the Memorial.  Meaning at the Lincoln



In order to accommodate the president`s plans to speak at the event, they

also have to move the fireworks.  The fireworks are always on the Mall. 

But this year because Trump is going to be on the mall, the fireworks

instead will be at West Potomac Park, which I`m sure will be fine.  I`m

sure it will all go fine.  I`m sure it will be seamless and dignified and

not at all partisan or embarrassing, and everything will just go step by

step, just as they intend. 


It will have the desired effect, because, you know, if nothing else, this

president and this presidency, they great at the protocol stuff, right? 

And the ceremonial stuff.  Last night on this show we showed this picture

from the president`s trip to Buckingham Palace.  We showed this in part

because of the news value of the fact that the president`s adult children

are there. 


It has been something of a mystery as to why U.S. taxpayers just paid for

all of the president`s adult children and their spouses to be brought to

Great Britain to meet the royal family and attend all the state dinners

stuff, despite the fact that they have no role in the government.  I mean,

Jared and Ivanka have a role in the government.  The other Trump adult

children and children in law don`t have a role in the U.S. government. 

What are they doing at taxpayer expense participating in all of these



Now, we showed this image last night.  What we did not notice when we

showed the image last night is all of the Trump adult children in the

photograph are posing for these photographs directly in front of a sign at

Buckingham Palace that says “no photography allowed.”


But hey, who cares?  It`s somebody else`s house.  We are the Trumps.  We`re

here you.  Deal with it.  Thank you for having us.  Are we invited back? 


Last night on the show, we`d also tried to sound a little bit of a warning

about the possible weirdness of the president`s trip to Ireland today after

he left the U.K.  You`ll recall that president Trump had tried to demand

that the Irish prime minister should meet him at the Trump golf course in

Ireland so that not just the government of the United States but the

government of Ireland would also be roped into a free infomercial

advertising the location and amenities of the president`s for-profit golf

club in Ireland, which frankly apparently needs the boost.  Financially,

that golf course has been sort of a disaster. 


The Irish government declined the opportunity to help President Trump

market his golf course.  They said no, we are not going to send the prime

minister there.  They instead offered a nearby castle where other foreign

leaders have paid official visits in the past.  The White House apparently

did not like that idea.  And so, we knew it was going to be a little weird

today when we found out that the president`s meeting with the prime

minister was going to be literally at the VIP lounge at the Shannon



This was the meeting site today.  You saw they pulled kind of a sheer

curtain behind them.  But I don`t know if that`s like a whiteboard behind

them, behind the curtain or what that is.  You can tell this is kind of

like next to the vending machines. 


It was – the setting and the negotiations that led to the meeting in the

first place were weird, and then the president started to talk.  . 





things.  Probably you`ll ask me about Brexit, because I just left some very

good people that are very much involved with Brexit, as you know.  And I

think that will all work out.  It will all work out very well, and also for

you, with your wall, your border.  I mean, we have a border situation in

the United States and you have one over here.  But I hear it`s going to

work out very well. 




MADDOW:  Ugh.  Your wall, with your border. 


The president meeting with the Irish prime minister in Ireland.  The first

words out of his mouth at the meeting are about how Ireland, you know,

ought to have a wall on its border.  Or don`t you have a wall on your

boarder?  How`s your wall? 


Have you guys thought about your boarder?  I mean, just erase your mind for

a second.  Forget everything you might have ever heard or ever known about

Ireland and Northern Ireland.  Like right – I mean, any political

sensitivities, right? 


Even if you bleach your brain to the point where nothing is left in terms

of cognizance in terms of what might be a sensitive subject there, even

though sew in this lobotomized state where you have had your brain wiped of

all knowledge of Ireland, Northern Ireland and the potential question of a

border wall there, you still with this hypothetical lobotomy would still

not sit down with the Irish prime minister and suggest first words out of

your mouth, hey, you know, your border wall is going to be awesome. 


It`s not like Ireland and Northern Ireland have ever had an issue around

that border.  There has never been any sort of conflict there, right? 

Ireland, Northern Ireland, that`s all been cool.  First thing he said. 


I mean, part of the Brexit disaster is that if the U.K. leaves the European

Union while Northern Ireland is part of the U.K.  So, in Brexit,

particularly a no-deal Brexit, Northern Ireland will go with the U.K. when

they leave the European Union.  Northern Ireland will leave the European

Union.  And, of course, Ireland is still in the European Union. 


So, if the U.K. presses ahead with Brexit, particularly the way the

president wants them to, which is no deal, catastrophic Brexit, one of the

potential consequences of that is that the Northern Ireland six counties,

right, will no longer be in the European Union while Ireland is still in

the European Union.  And that means the border, the dividing line, the

customs line between Europe and not Europe, between the E.U. and not the

E.U. could be the line between Ireland and Northern Ireland, where there is

not a wall today. 


And that`s very hard one where the disputed idea of a border between the

six counties in the north and the rest of the counties in the south has

quite recently, within, you know, my lifetime been the cause of thousands

of lives lost.  Nevertheless, the president today jumps into it with both

feet – it will all work out very well with your wall, your border. 


The Irish prime minister sat sort of perfectly still while the president

made those initial remarks, and then this was the first thing he was able

to get out of his own mouth at today`s bilateral meeting. 




LEO VARADKAR, IRISH PRIME MINISTER:  The main thing we want to avoid, of

course, is a border wall between both sides. 


TRUMP:  Oh, I think you do.




MADDOW:  Oh, yes, I think you do.  Yes, I think you do, yes. 


The prime minister later had the give separate and more elaborate remarks

to further try to clean up and limit the damage of what President Donald

Trump did with those comments, suggesting a newly built, a rebuilt wall

between Ireland and Northern Ireland. 


I mean, it was just – it`s just – if you have any sense of that conflict

and what it has taken to resolve it to the degree that it is resolved. 

Again, over the course of our lifetimes, right?  This is recent stuff. 

Current stuff. 


For any prominent American in any position, even just somebody in a

business position, somebody in sports, to have gone over to Ireland and

have done that.  It would be a terrible thing for any American of any

prominence to have done. 


But for a president to have done it?  I mean, with those careless,

reckless, ignorant remarks alone, this president earned this headline today

if “Esquire” magazine, quote, the president is traveling the world, finding

new problems to make worse. 


But after that triumph, the president will head tomorrow to the 75-year

commemoration of the D-Day landings, and I`m sure that will go excellent as

well.  It`s definitely no opportunity there for him to make any

substantially worse, right? 


As President Trump heads now toward the end of this careening circus of

pratfall embarrassments on this overseas trip, the seriousness of the stuff

he is getting wrong and the stuff that he is screwing up is also trailing

him in the American press. 


Columnist David Ignatius at “The Washington Post” is now reporting that

although the U.K. has historically been our closest overseas ally on

intelligence matter, quote, former British officials now believe that MI-6

has begun to worry about sharing its most sensitive secrets with the U.S.

for fear they may be disclosed by the Trump White House for political

reasons or through simple carelessness. 


Quote: You never know what Trump will say or do or tell in a rage, and that

is something to worry about, quoting a former British official.  Quote: The

U.S. has become a less reliable ally. 


So that`s what the president has accomplished on this foreign trip.  It has

been less than ideal.  And while he has been gone, the domestic

conversation about him at home has been dominated by the mushrooming debate

over whether or not Democrats should open impeachment hearings into him. 


Former Democratic Senate Leader Harry Reid now says he is in favor of

impeachment proceedings being opened even though he was previously and

quite recently opposed.  Harry Reid remains a very influential figure,

particularly among the congressional leadership of the Democratic Party. 

So, Reid now speaking out on this issue, may make a dent.  Both “The New

York Times” and “The Washington Post” have now on their opinion editorial

pages publishes draft impeachment articles for president Trump in case the

Democrats need a little head start in writing stuff. 


Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the Democrats in the House, is still saying

that she is not in favor of opening impeachment proceedings, at least not

yet.  But the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, all of them, all of

the millions of them who are lining up to run against Trump now, they are

all running in a context now in which impeachment proceedings are less

debated among Democrats than cheered in public venues.  And with each

passing day, impeachment proceedings become more and more of an

expectation, not just something to be discussed. 


New polls out today show the president in head to head matchups losing the

state of North Carolina in the presidential election to Joe Biden or Bernie

Sanders or Pete Buttigieg.  That Emerson poll out of North Carolina shows

Trump tying in that state with Elizabeth Warren. 


New poll out today from the “Detroit News” in Michigan shows Trump losing

Michigan to Joe Biden by 12 points.  He also loses to Bernie Sanders, also

loses to Pete Buttigieg, also loses to Kamala Harris, also loses to

Elizabeth Warren. 


A new Quinnipiac poll out of Texas, Texas, shows Trump losing Texas to Joe

Biden and only barely pipping Elizabeth Warren in the state of Texas by one



So, the Fourth of July this year will not be the Fourth of July.  It will

be a salute to America.  Nixon tried that before with Honor America Day. 

I`m sure this time, though, it will work out great.  I`m sure this time,

the second draft of what Nixon tried to do will work way better when the

Trump administration tries to pull it off because they are great at this

kind of stuff. 


Elizabeth Warren just wrapped up her town hall in South Bend, Indiana. 

We`re going to talk live with Chris Hayes, right after this. 






HAYES:  What do you say if someone says, look, I agree with you on

substance, but if you look at the polling, right, Americans have cross

pressure views on abortion, there is strong support for keeping Roe v.

Wade, right? 



four people want to keep it. 


HAYES:  Absolutely.  But if you say government funding abortion, the

polling flips the other way.  It`s not necessarily a majority position. 

And what do you say if someone says, no, this is the smart political move

if you need to win in a general election to support the Hyde amendment? 


WARREN:  This is not about politics.  What this is about is about health

care, about reproductive freedom, about economic freedom and about equal

opportunity for all women.  That`s what this is really about. 




HAYES:  So then the final question I guess is are there things, right, I

mean, it would be amazing to live in the world where the right policy was

always the best politics. 


WARREN:  Yes. 


HAYES:  But it`s not the world we live in, right?  I guess my question is,

are there things where you think substantively that`s probably the right

thing to do, but 70 percent of the public doesn`t like it?  Or that might

be a good policy, but that`s going to be a very tough sale in Pennsylvania? 


WARREN:  Look, the way I see this is this is what leadership is about.  You

really do work through what you believe is right.  And you get out there. 

And if most of America isn`t with you, then you talk about it, and you make

the arguments and you listen. 


HAYES:  Yes. 


WARREN:  Because maybe you don`t have it right.  But that`s the whole

point.  You start with what you believe is right and then you get out there

and fight for it. 




MADDOW:  Joining us now is Chris Hayes, the host of “ALL IN WITH CHRIS

HAYES” on this network who just conducted that town hall in Indiana with

Elizabeth Warren. 


Chris, thank you for sticking around.  I know you`re on the down swing of

your adrenaline right now, and so, if you need to pass out live on the air,

you just feel free, my friend. 


HAYES:  No, I`m good.  I`ve got any jacket off.  It`s a little warm in

here, but I`m good.  The candidate is behind me doing selfies with every

last person who is here, which is a Elizabeth Warren town hall policy, I`m



MADDOW:  Wow.  So, she still has the energy to be doing that after a solid

hour fielding questions from everybody in that room and from you. 


How did you think it went?  And what did you learn? 


HAYES:  Well, I think you get – these circumstances, they`re hard.  It`s a

high-wire act.  We did this live.  You`re talking to different kinds of

people, and you sort of see political chops, whether a candidate can listen

to people, actually hear what they say, actually respond. 


She is extremely well-prepared.  She – I mean, whether people agree with

her or not or whether they come to the conclusion that she is the strongest

political candidate against Trump, which are two things to bracket for a

moment, what I think is clear is that she has a whole set of ideas of

things she wants to do and a means of explaining them to people who haven`t

heard them before.  And a kind of theory of the case about what`s wrong and

how to fix it that kind of match together.  And that`s a certain

fundamental part of political storytelling that I think she has a real

knack for and has been doing a very good job on the trail.  And I think you

see it reflected tonight. 


MADDOW:  Chris, I want to play another little piece of sound from the town

hall.  This was her talking about abortion right, her talking about the

Hyde Amendment.  I want to make sure with the control room that we`ve got

that ready to go. 


One of the reasons I want to ask you about this is because this is a very

hot issue right now among the Democratic candidates.  There is definitely

some disagreement among the Democratic candidates on the issue of the Hyde

Amendment, whether or not there should be a full scale ban on funding for

anything related to abortion services in federally supported health



But, it`s also – it also struck me that she`s in Indiana in this red state

in a conservative part of Indiana talking about abortion rights.  And I

want to ask you about sort of the tenor of that.  Let me play the sound





HAYES:  A huge part of your story personally, when you talk about your

trajectory, which is a really remarkable one is making a bunch of decisions

buffeted against different forces.  Can you find child care?  One of those

is whether you can control your reproductive freedom. 


WARREN:  Yes. 


HAYES:  Women are making decisions about whether they`re going to school,

things like that.  There is an interesting thing that happened today that

Vice President Joe Biden came out in support and said he would not support

repealing the Hyde Amendment.  That is a provision of federal law that bars

the federal government from funding abortion services for Medicare,

Medicaid, and others.  You disagree with that position. 


WARREN:  Yes, I do. 


HAYES:  Is Joe Biden wrong? 


WARREN:  Yes. 


HAYES:  Why is he wrong? 




WARREN:  Here`s how I look at this.  I`ve lived in America where abortions

were illegal. 


HAYES:  Yes. 


WARREN:  And understand this.  Women still got abortions.  Now some got

lucky on what happened and some got really unlucky on what happened. 


But the bottom line is they were there.  And under the Hyde Amendment,

under every one of these efforts to try to chip away or to push back or to

get rid of Roe versus Wade, understand this.  Women of means will still

have access to abortions.  Who won`t will be poor women, will be working

women, will be women who can`t afford to take off three days from work,

will be very young women, will be women who`ve been raped, will be women

who have been molested by someone in their own family. 


We do not pass laws that take away that freedom from the women who are most







MADDOW:  Very intense moment in that town hall.  Obviously, her intensity

on the subject is palpable.  But tell me about that in the room in terms of

how that`s greeted there.  Obviously, it was going to be a place where you

don`t have unanimity in this issue even within the Democratic Party. 


HAYES:  You know, it was very intense.  And obviously, look, I think there

is a certain way in which there is – there is an expression of one`s

political views on this issue that are just not possible for a man to do. 

I mean, I just think a woman is going to have a connection to that and be

able to talk about it in an intimate and way that she did that is very hard

for a man to do, frankly, and understandably, right? 


But I think that what you saw there is, A, the passion.  And B, this is the

thing that I think is very interesting about warren as a candidate.  She

doesn`t do a lot of shading.  She doesn`t do a lot of too cute by half. 

She doesn`t do a lot of needle threading. 


If you say like should we repeal the Bush tax cuts, you know, the Trump tax

cuts?  Yes.  Are you for this bill?  Yes, I`m a co-sponsor.  Repeal the

Hyde amendment?  Yes.


Like you get very direct and kind of engraved policy positions that she

will then argue and fight for.  Now people might disagree.  Like it is the

case that some people will be alienated by those positions because people

disagree on stuff.  But what you do not get is a lot of gray area hedging

and kind of tap dancing. 


MADDOW:  Chris Hayes, my friend, colleague, host of the show at 8:00 p.m.

on this network and the person who is better at town halls than anybody in

this business.  Chris, fantastic job tonight.  Thank you for sticking



HAYES:  Thanks, thanks, thanks, it means a lot.  Thank you.


MADDOW:  Much appreciated.  Congratulations.


All right.  Much more to come tonight.  Stay with us. 




MADDOW:  Nominee for worst road trip ever. 


Today, campaign figure – Trump campaign figure George Nader was to be

driven by two FBI agents from Brooklyn in New York City to Virginia to face

a federal child pornography charge. 


George Nader took frequent meetings with senior Trump campaign officials in

2016.  He arranged a meeting during the transition to set up back channel

between the Trump transition and the Kremlin.  He was a frequent visitor to

the White House after the inauguration. 


George Nader has spent the last couple of nights in a Brooklyn detention

facility after being arrested Monday at JFK airport.  But the child

pornography charge wasn`t filed against him in New York.  It was filed

against him in Virginia.  So a New York federal judge ordered him driven

down to Virginia today to face the music.  We now expect his first court

appearance in Virginia tomorrow. 


George Nader was a major witness for the Mueller investigation.  He was

reportedly given at least partial immunity in exchange for his testimony to

the grand jury and to Mueller`s investigators.  Nader is cited dozens of

times in footnotes in the Mueller report about Russian efforts to interfere

in our election and Russian overtures to Trump and his campaign and his

administration.  But George Nader was also an intermediary for at least two

other countries that were apparently trying to help Trump during the

campaign.  He was also an emissary for the governments of both Saudi Arabia

and the United Arab Emirates. 


Now, according to a recent story in “The New York Times” this past weekend,

the interventions by those countries and the contacts between George Nader

and the Trump campaign that related to those countries` interests, those

are all apparently still the subject of ongoing federal investigations. 

“The New York Times” has done some in-depth new reporting on Emirati

influence, including possible improper influence on the 2016 election. 

Reportedly, federal investigators are still looking at that. 


But here`s my question.  Are the intelligence committees in Congress being

brief odd about that?  I mean, is that investigation derived from Mueller`s

work?  Is it a totally are separate thing?  I mean, for all the times that

George Nader`s name is mentioned in volume one of Mueller`s report, the

volume about Russian interference in the 2016 election, George Nader`s work

for the Emiratis and the Saudis is not addressed at all. 


Did the counterintelligence investigation include any of that stuff from

the other countries, and what happened to that counterintelligence

investigation anyway? 


I mean, volume one of Mueller`s report raises all kinds of scary prospects

that are just not resolved at all in what we`ve seen from Mueller.  I mean,

why did Russian military intelligence target election systems in key

counties in Florida and North Carolina?  “The Washington Post” reports

today that finally this long after the election, federal investigators are

just now asking to look at the computers that were allegedly targeted by

the Russians in North Carolina.  OK, about time. 


I mean, is this stuff being followed up?  There is one powerful house

chairman who may be in a better position than anybody else in Congress to

answer that question, and he has just announced that he`s about to convene

a whole series of hearings specifically on volume one of the Mueller report

and all the questions that it raises. 


Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff joins us live next. 






REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA):  We will be doing a series of hearings, and we had

one a few weeks ago, but we`ll be doing a series of hearings in the Intel

Committee on volume one of the Mueller report.  And I think probably the

first that we will do will focus on the counterintelligence investigation

where we`ll have experts to help shed light on what is a

counterintelligence investigation, what does it mean that this began as a

C.I. investigation, not as a criminal probe? 




MADDOW:  Joining us now is Chairman Adam Schiff of the House Intelligence



Mr. Chairman, thanks very much for being here tonight.  I really appreciate



SCHIFF:  Great to be with you. 


MADDOW:  So, that was you announcing that your committee is going to hold a

series of hearings on volume one of the Mueller report that focuses on what

Russia did.  What can you tell us about those planned hearings? 


SCHIFF:  It will begin on Wednesday with a hearing with former

counterintelligence heads from the FBI to answer exactly those questions. 


What is a counterintelligence investigation?  What do we know from the

Mueller report?  What does it mean that there were counterintelligence

agents embedded in Mueller`s team?  What would have happened to those



What does it mean that a delegation was sent from Moscow to meet with the

top people of the Trump campaign in a secret meeting?  What was the

significance of their appeals on the Magnitsky Act?  Would the Russians

have not only wanted to meddle to help Trump win, but also communicated to

the Trump campaign that they were helping in hopes of getting repeal of

sanctions or doing away with the Magnitsky Act?  Why would this be of great

concern to the FBI and our intelligence agencies? 


So we`ll be exploring and bringing to life these parts of the Mueller

report as well as the one you just mentioned, which is what do we know from

this report about Russian intrusions into voting systems and voter

databases and what does that mean in terms of our ability to protect the

next elections. 


MADDOW:  In terms of voting systems and voter databases, this is a very

disturbing report today in the “Washington Post” that North Carolina

officials say that they have been asking Homeland Security Department for a

year and a half to look with some technical acuity at the computers that

may have been compromised by Russian malware or Russian intrusion efforts

ahead of the 2016 elections.  Those hard drives and those computers have

reportedly been imaged so that there is the possibility of looking at them

and seeing what may have happened to them. 


There were counties in North Carolina that had real trouble in terms of

their voting polls, their rotes rolls, long lines, poll books failing. 

Those seemed to have overlapped a little bit with some of the counties that

may have been targeted by this Russian effort ahead of the election, to

target some voting infrastructure. 


I`m concerned that it`s taken the Department of Homeland Security a year

and a half to respond to the state in terms of trying to get help on this. 


SCHIFF:  Well, I share that concern, and this is not something that happens

terribly infrequently, unfortunately.  We see this kind of lack of

coordination all too regularly.  In the Mueller report, there is a

reference, for example, that we the Mueller team did not look into these

intrusions beyond what we`re telling you in the report.  We assume that the

FBI did that. 


But that assumption may not be correct.  I don`t know how much of a

forensic examination the FBI did.  I don`t know how much coordination there

was between the bureau and some of these state boards of elections or

county boards of elections.  And, of course, you know, some counties take

the view, hey, that`s our business.  Stay out. 


But if you`re a county in a swing state that could affect the presidential

election, it`s not just a county matter.  It`s a national matter. 


So we are going to look into this, and I think it`s very important to

underscore that these investigations we`re doing, not just in the Mueller

report or Russia, it`s not about Trump.  It`s not about even the Congress. 

It`s about protecting the public from not just this president but any

president that acts in an autocratic or unethical way.  It`s about

protecting our voting infrastructure from any adversary, not just Russia. 

And there`s obviously a key stake in this for all the country. 


MADDOW:  In terms of the type of attack that we`re talking about here in

North Carolina, you raise a good point that local election officials and

states that have responsibility for conducting their own elections are

understandably protective about their own election infrastructure.  In this

case, though, what Mueller describes and what we`re now finally seeing some

follow-up on is that local elections officials and local elections

infrastructure was targeted by a foreign military intelligence operation

which puts it seemingly squarely under your oversight as chairman of House



One of the things you and I have talked about over the past few weeks and

months is that thing that ought to be under your purview, that the

intelligence agencies and the FBI ought to be briefing to you as chairman

of the intelligence committee if not to your full committee, just have been

kept from you.  And I guess I wonder if there`s any evolution in that in

terms of you understanding what you haven`t been told that you ought to

have been told and if you`ve been able to make any progress with getting

the briefings that you think you need? 


SCHIFF:  You know, this is an area in terms of voting infrastructure that`s

deep interest to us and also to the homeland security committee which has

done some great work in looking at our vulnerabilities going forward.  In

terms of how many answers we`ve been able to get on the intelligence

committee, we`ve been able to get some.  And, you know, there – the

Justice Department has started to provide us documents and I was over

reading them at the Justice Department this week.  It`s an important

beginning of I hope more fulsome providing of documents. 


But on those fundamental questions you`re asking and we`ve been asking,

what happened to the counterintelligence investigation, what were the

findings from that investigation?  We still can`t get an answer.  I have to

say, it`s very concerning that it`s so hard to get an answer to these very

basic questions. 


And it makes you wonder, did someone already drop the ball here or are

there findings they don`t Congress to have for whatever reason?  Do they

shed negative light on people currently in the administration for which

there may be concerns?  You know, we`re also trying to find out about the

security clearances given to people that apparently shouldn`t have gotten

them.  Are those some of the people for whom counterintelligence concerns

were raised? 


These questions are ones that just need to be answered.  And, you know, I

think in our structure, the framers fully anticipate Donald Trump per se,

but they anticipated that either the country would be in a position of

electing the wrong person or that someone would be elected and they would

become corrupt with power in office and Congress needed to have the power

to compel answer and hold them accountable.  And that is exactly what we

are doing. 


MADDOW:  Congressman Adam Schiff, the chairman of the Intelligence

Committee in the House – sir, I appreciate you being here tonight.  Keep

us apprised. 


SCHIFF:  Thank you. 


MADDOW:  We`ll be right back.  Stay with us. 




MADDOW:  One of the news stories we`ve been watching this week is the fight

being waged in Missouri where the Republican-role controlled government

there is trying to end legal abortion in that state.  They have not only

passed a ban on abortion, that state government right now is trying this

week to take away the license of the last remaining abortion clinic in

Missouri.  This, of course, has gone to court.  Tonight, right now, we are

awaiting the ruling from a judge to find out whether or not that judge is

going to let the state shut down account state`s last clinic, just cancel

legal abortion access. 


This fight has put the spotlight on Missouri nationwide.  I mean, If they

do shut down that last clinic, Missouri will be the first state to go dark

in terms of abortion access since the Roe versus Wade ruling in 1973. 


But there is something else going on Missouri that has not been in the

spotlight.  Over the course of reporting this story, we have come into some

information about how this fight has been playing out, specifically about

what is already happening to women seek abortions in Missouri as of this

week, as that last Missouri abortion clinic is fighting in court to stay



We have discovered this.  It`s an exclusive story that nobody else has.  I

think it`s going to make national news.  We are preparing a special report

on it now.  It will lead tomorrow night`s show.  You don`t want to miss it.


Stay with us. 




MADDOW:  That does do to for us tonight.  We will see you again tomorrow

where again we will be leading the show tomorrow with a special report on

something that is happening alongside the national focus on Missouri right

now on abortion rights. 


Roe versus Wade is the law of the land since 1973 in terms of guaranteeing

a woman`s constitutional right to access abortion services in this country. 

Missouri is trying to become the first state to have zero legal abortion

providers.  Something that is happened in the past couple of weeks in

Missouri as the last clinic there has fought to stay open. 


We are going to have an exclusive special report on that tomorrow night. 

We will see you then.




Good evening, Lawrence.







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