The Rachel Maddow Show, Transcript 9/23/2016
Show: THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW
Date: September 23, 2016
Guest: Yamiche Alcindor, Corine Mack
CHRIS HAYES, “ALL IN” HOST: THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW starts right now. Good
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: Incompetently craven and sufficiently non-
crazy. I feel like I`m making my bingo category for Monday.
HAYES: Incompetently craven, it fits well on a bumper sticker.
MADDOW: Exactly right. It would also make a fortune cookie and then
there`s the awkward in bed thing and everything. It`s just terrible.
Thanks, my friend. Have a good weekend, Chris.
And thanks to you at home for joining us at this hour. Happy Friday.
On the last day that President Calvin Coolidge was in office in 1929, he
signed a public law that was called public law number 107 and it authorized
what was defined in the statute as a National Memorial Commission. This
law that Coolidge signed his last day in office was to build a building
that would be a memorial and a tribute, quote, “to the Negro`s
contributions to the achievements of America.” 1929, Calvin Coolidge
signed that law, and that law authorized the creation of this national
memorial and tribute. It also provided exactly zero dollars to do that
And so, the idea of a national memorial, a national tribute, a physical
commemoration in Washington, D.C., of the contribution of African-Americans
to the achievements of the United States of America, that idea, although
law, that idea, although officially something we are working on, it just
sort of held negative space for decades. All right? That idea that sort
of national commemorative space, it existed in theory, but not in practice.
It was not until 40 years after Calvin Coolidge signed that law, it wasn`t
until the late `60s when the idea first got revived and got more attention,
more energy behind it. And it was not until 20 years after that in the
late `80s when Congress started considering bills to actually do it. Most
of them from Congressman John Lewis of Georgia, bills that would start the
planning process in earnest, start really working toward building this
tribute, this memorial, this monument.
It was not until the 21st century and not until 2001 that they finally
passed actual dollars. They appropriated the first actual money to start
planning in earnest and it was not until now. It was not until almost 90
years after we supposedly started working on this as a nation that it did
finally get done, but now tomorrow, the National Museum of African-American
History and Culture will open to the public on the national mall in
And honestly, I cannot do it justice here. I can show you through your TV
screen a little bit of what it looks like. We can show you some of the
things they`ve got inside. We can describe some of its collections, but
it`s not – I`m not going to be able to do it justice.
The right thing to do is to plan to go. I know that the show is broadcast
not just in the United States, but around the world. If you are in the
United States, you should plan to go. If you are not in the United States
and you are in the sound of my voice, the next time you plan to visit the
United States, you should plan to go.
The tickets are free. They are also hard to get. September is already
sold out. October is already sold out. I checked right before we got on
the air and there was one day left in November that had one time slot left,
and that was the last thing left for all of November. But there were still
a bunch of time slots on a bunch of days available in December.
The tickets are free, but you have to sign up for a specific time you want
to the go in order to get tickets. And, you know, honestly, thinking about
the timing, if you are going to go, when it comes to telling your friends
or your kids or your grandkids about the way you lived and what you did in
your big, long life, you may want to be able to say that you went to the
National Museum of African-American History and Culture right when it first
opened and in fact, you went while the nation`s first African-American
president was still in office.
There are still tickets available in December right now that you can get
online and book. You might want to try to get to this museum soon.
I mean, they started building the inaugural platform for the next president
this week and we don`t know who the next president is going to be, but it
is not going to be Barack Obama.
Today, President Obama hosted at the White House more than 700 African-
American community leaders and cultural leaders, people who were key to
this hard-fought, long slog that it took to create this epic, new museum.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, the timing of this
Because in so many ways, it is the best of times, but in many ways these
are also troubled times. History doesn`t always move in a straight line.
And without vigilance we can go backward as well as forward. And so, part
of the reason that I am so happy the museum is opening this weekend is
because it allows all of us as Americans to put our current circumstances
in a historical context.
My hope is that as people are seeing what`s happened in Tulsa or Charlotte
on television and perhaps are less familiar with not only the history of
the African-American experience, but also how recent some of these
challenges have been, upon visiting the museum may step back and say I
understand. I sympathize. I empathize. I can see why folks might feel
angry and I want to be part of the solution as opposed to resisting change.
My hope is that black folks watching the same images on television and then
seeing the history representing this museum can say to themselves the
struggles we`re going through today are connected to the past and yet all
that progress we`ve made tells me that I cannot and will not sink into
despair because if we join hands, and if we do things right, if we maintain
our dignity and we continue to appeal to the better angels of this nation
progress will be made.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: President Obama today at a White House event celebrating the
opening of the new National Museum of African-American History and Culture.
It opens to the public for the first time tomorrow.
As you heard there at the top of his remarks the president said the timing
is fascinating, and you hear this big response from the crowd and he went
on to reference Tulsa and Charlotte.
In Tulsa, Oklahoma, this week, of course, the police officer who killed
Terence Crutcher in the street after his SUV had stalled in the street and
then the police tasered him and then shot him while he appears to have held
his hands in the air. That officer who killed him has now been booked on
first-degree manslaughter charges.
In Charlotte, North Carolina, it has been a very different story these past
few days. It has been a heartbreaking few days since Keith Lamont Scott
was killed by a Charlotte police officer on Tuesday afternoon. Charlotte
protests, as you know, descended into violence on Tuesday night and again
on Wednesday night.
Yesterday, the police reiterated and insisted that unlike Tulsa, they were
not going to release the police videos, the dash cam and body cam have
videos that they have of this police shooting of Keith Scott, but they did
show those police videos to Mr. Scott`s family and the Scott family said
after they saw those videos that they would like them to be released to the
public. Police and local authorities insist they will not do that.
So, last night was the third straight night of protests in Charlotte. The
mayor, as we reported late last night, signed a midnight curfew ahead of
midnight last night in the 9:00 p.m. hour last night, and when midnight
rolled around Charlotte authorities decided they would not clear the
streets despite the curfew. They would allow the protests to continue as
long as they were peaceful. Protests in Charlotte last night, by and
large, were entirely peaceful and they went on late into the night and well
Now, today has been a new day of further dramatic and in some cases
upsetting developments in the same case. Today, NBC News obtained video of
the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, and it`s a harrowing video. One of the
most harrowing things about it is that the video was taken by Mr. Scott`s
wife, and you can hear her clearly talking to her husband, talking to the
police throughout her recording.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RAKIA SCOTT, WIFE OF KEITH LAMONT SCOTT: Don`t shoot him. Don`t shoot
him. He has no weapon. He has no weapon. Don`t shoot him.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Drop the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) gun.
SCOTT: Don`t shoot him.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Drop the gun.
SCOTT: He didn`t do anything.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Drop the gun. Drop the gun.
SCOTT: He doesn`t have a gun. He has a TBI.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Drop the gun.
SCOTT: He`s not going to do anything to you guys. He just took his
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: When she says TBI, she means traumatic brain injury.
In terms of what this captures visually the video, I should tell you, it
does not show the shots themselves although you do hear them. You also
hear Mr. Scott`s wife tell the officers that her husband doesn`t have a gun
that he would not hurt them and that he has this traumatic brain injury,
you repeatedly hear police officers shouting, there is some kind of
escalation of some kind and it is hard to see what is happening, but after
this inconclusive, immediate event you do hear shots fired.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCOTT: Keith, get out the car. Keith, Keith, don`t you do it. Don`t you
Keith, Keith, Keith. Don`t you do it!
SCOTT: Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Video, obviously, is disturbing in part because of the woman`s
vantage point here and knowing that the woman is witnessing the death of
her husband. You hear Keith Scott`s wife say over and over and over again,
“he better live, he better live, he better live.”
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCOTT: He better live. He better live. I swear he better live. Yep. He
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: So, this is just – I mean, it`s a terrible thing to see. It`s a
terrible thing for us to see her seeing it through her eyes, right? But
where we are right now, four nights after Keith Scott was killed, we still
have conflicting accounts as to whether or not Keith Scott had a gun. You
definitely hear police officers repeatedly saying drop the gun, drop the
gun, drop the gun. You also hear his wife saying he doesn`t have a gun.
Still, the police video, the video from their perspective, the body cam
video, and the dash cam video that is being withheld from public view even
though the public – excuse me, the family wants that released to the
We heard President Obama saying he wants Americans to be able to sympathize
with each other at times like this, even to empathize with one another.
Hillary Clinton today added her voice to those calling for the police tapes
of the shooting to be released. When she signs her tweets with a hyphen
and “H”, that means she`s written it personally and calling for the release
of the police video. Hillary Clinton`s campaign also announced today that
she intends to travel to Charlotte this weekend on Sunday, the day before
the first presidential debate.
Now, as to whether or not that will actually happen I can`t say so
definitively in part because the mayor of Charlotte who is a Clinton
supporter tonight she said that she has also heard from the Trump campaign
and that Trump would like to visit Charlotte some time next week after
Clinton saying she planned to visit on Sunday. For now, at least, though,
the mayor is calling on both candidates, both Clinton and Trump, to hold
off from coming to her city. She said tonight, quote, “if there were a way
to delay those visits, that would probably be ideal.”
This is a live look at police in the streets of downtown Charlotte tonight
where we will be keeping an eye throughout the evening on protests and now
in their fourth day and tonight will be the first night since the whole
country got a look at the incident which led to Keith Lamont Smith`s death.
Joining us now from Charlotte is “New York Times” reporter, Yamiche
Yamiche, thank you so much for being with us tonight. Really appreciate
YAMICHE ALCINDOR, NEW YORK TIMES: Thanks for having me.
MADDOW: So, first, just in terms of being on the ground in Charlotte.
You`re on the ground there. Clearly, you`re in a calm spot and a quiet
spot. Can you tell us just about the environment in the city tonight?
ALCINDOR: The environment in the city, I think, is tense in some ways.
I`ve talked to people and there are already protesters marching and I would
say there are at least 100 or more people out in the street and people are
upset about the fact that they saw this video today. People – I`ve been
talking to people, dozens of people about how they really feel that this
video confirms for them that the police in some way didn`t act correctly.
You hear Keith Scott`s wife saying he took his medication and he doesn`t
have a gun and she`s trying to de-escalate the situation and people as
though the police could have given her some time and given that family some
time before they took these shots. I should say, of course, the family
attorneys have told me, and I`ve asked them several times, they say they do
not say whether or not – they do not know whether or not the shooting was
justified or unjustified. However, the idea is that people are feeling
very upset about this.
But I should say, I was out in the streets until at least 1:00 a.m. and it
was calm then. I don`t think we`ll see violence tonight. I hope that we
don`t see violence tonight and I don`t have any indication that we`ll see
the violence that we saw in the past days.
MADDOW: Yamiche, when you have the chance to speak with the attorneys for
the Scott family, did they tell you about the decision to release this
video, this very, very difficult to watch video shot by Mr. Scott`s wife.
Did they tell you anything about why they decided to make that public?
ALCINDOR: Yes. So one of my first questions for the attorneys of this
family was, are you trying to pressure the city to release their videos by
releasing this video? And they told me, no. They are not trying to
pressure the city to do that. They want the city to release the other
video and the dash cam video and the body camera video and they told me
this was about providing another angle and letting people know that this
happened and this is the vantage point from which his wife watched him die.
So, I think the idea is to have people feel like they were here, so that
they were in that moment to share in the grief of this family. This
family, he has a lot of children. He`s a father of seven. So, the idea is
that they wanted people to just, I think, really be in that moment.
And again, they`ve been asking for calm. The family has been asking for
calm and they`ve been saying they don`t want this video to turn into people
rioting and looting on behalf of the family.
MADDOW: Yamiche Alcindor, “New York Times” national reporter in Charlotte
tonight – Yamiche, stay in touch with us over the course of the night as
you keep reporting out there on the streets. We want to make sure that we
get good angles on what`s happening there and how people are feeling. I
really appreciate it.
ALCINDOR: All right. Thanks.
MADDOW: Thank you.
All right. Big night around here. Thank you for spending it with us. We
will be right back.
MADDOW: So, tonight, we are watching protests not just Charlotte, North
Carolina, but also now in Atlanta. Georgia`s chapter of the NAACP is
leading a large demonstration in Atlanta tonight.
In Georgia and Atlanta, what they`re calling for is new laws in their
state. They`re calling for an independent body to investigate all police-
involved shootings instead of the police investigating themselves. They`re
calling for an independent prosecutor for those kinds of cases and they`re
calling for a requirement that all body cam and dashcam footage from
police-involved shootings should be released to the public within 48 hours
of those incidents.
Again, this is the protest and those are the demands that we`re looking at
in Atlanta, Georgia, tonight. We are also keeping an eye as I mentioned on
This is the fourth demonstration after the police shooting of Keith Lamont
Scott on Tuesday. Some of the most recent reporting we`ve had out of
Charlotte is that protesters again are headed toward or blocking parts of
Interstate 277. Protesters blocking major roadways and particular
interstates have been some of the causes of some of the most heated
confrontations between police and protesters.
But as I mentioned with Yamiche, we`ve got eyes and ears on the ground in
Charlotte, and we`ll be covering this throughout the evening. We`re going
to be looking at that later.
We`re also going to be looking a head at the political story that took over
the headlines today. It`s been a love story for the ages. That`s all
still ahead tonight.
Stay with us.
MADDOW: So, suppose you were a Democrat and suppose you were nervous about
the election. Oh, but I repeat myself. On the eve of the first
presidential debate which is Monday, one of the things we have been keeping
an eye on this week is the electoral forecast for which party will control
the United States Senate. “The New York Times” for a long time had been
projecting the Democrats would regain control of the Senate in November`s
elections and as of this week the times is now projecting that the
Republicans will control the Senate. “The Washington Post” also now
forecasting that Republicans will retain control of the Senate.
We talked about both of those projections for Senate control earlier this
week, but for you, hypothetical nervous Democrat, there was also good news
on that front this week – a little something to slow your frantic heart
rate. Nate Silver`s outfit FiveThirtyEight.com have launched their Senate
forecast and their analysis is that it is the Democrats who are favored to
take control of the Senate, barely, barely, but still.
As of this evening, FiveThirtyEight gives Democrats a – what is that? –
58.5 percent chance of winning the Senate. So there. Happy Friday,
As for the presidential race yesterday, we reported on the first real data
and the first real vote that has been cast already in the presidential
election, an exclusive analysis from an NBC News partnership with the voter
data group Target Smart shows that of the absentee ballots that have been
cast in North Carolina so far, this isn`t polling, this is actual votes
cast, registered Democrats have an eight-point edge so far on the early
vote in North Carolina over Republicans. The ballots returned so far in
North Carolina, 42 percent are from the Democrats and 34 percent are from
Now, that`s only North Carolina and only a few thousand votes, but that is
way better for Democrats than it was in 2012 when Mitt Romney won North
Carolina against President Obama. Soon, we will be able to get similar
data from lots of other states besides North Carolina.
In addition to North Carolina, absentee voting has now started in Georgia
and in Alabama. Absentee voting started today in Virginia, Indiana, and
West Virginia. Regular old early voting in-person and early voting also
started today in Minnesota, South Dakota and Vermont.
A bunch of states are sending out their first ballots this week and over
the weekend. Tomorrow is the deadline for absentee ballots to go out to
overseas and military voters. If you`re wondering why we`re getting a big
rash of newspaper endorsements right now, why is it happening before the
debates and so far before the election is because voting is starting in so
many places, and so, I think editorial boards feel like now is the time to
say their piece.
Today, “The Cincinnati Enquirer” decided not to endorse a presidential
candidate for the first time since 1916 when they endorsed Woodrow Wilson.
It took “The Cincinnati Enquirer” another century to get around to
endorsing a Democrat again after him. But this conservative paper, “The
Cincinnati Enquirer” today gave an enthusiastic endorsement of Hillary
Clinton and an enthusiastic renouncement of Donald Trump.
The big endorsement on the Republican side today was Ted Cruz, of all
people. Senator Ted Cruz last seen getting booed and screamed at at the
Republican convention in Cleveland when he didn`t say Republicans should
vote for Donald Trump and he instead said Republicans should vote their
conscience. When Ted Cruz came out today and endorsed Donald Trump, it was
– I mean, I guess we all knew it was coming, but still, reporters
struggled to contextualize and struggled to explain the massiveness of the
capitulation that this was today for Senator Cruz.
Here is a typical lead. Here`s how a reporter Russell Berman led his piece
for “The Atlantic” announcing his endorsement of Ted Cruz and this shows
you the lengths to which reporters are having to go to explain how bizarre
this is. Quote, “Ted Cruz set aside his many differences with Donald Trump
on Friday to endorse for a president a man whom he once called a serial
philanderer, a pathological liar, utterly amoral, and a sniveling coward, a
man who insulted his wife`s looks, a man who insinuated Cruz`s father was
involved of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, a man who said he
wouldn`t accept his endorsement, and who for months mocked him mercilessly
with a schoolyard taunt, Lyin` Ted.”
Ted endorsed that guy today. Other than that, nothing to see here.
Ted Cruz was supposed to be the last line of right-wing Republican defense
against Donald Trump. The last line was supposed to be principled
resistance to Donald Trump and that is gone now, too.
Ted Cruz`s former communications director Rick Tyler who was really a Ted
Cruz true believer, he told NBC`s Hallie Jackson today when he heard this
news. Quote, “It`s mourning in America for conservatives. We lost our
What it also means is that Donald Trump is consolidating the support of the
Republican Party, all of it. He is theirs now and they are his, which is
something I am sure his campaign wanted to have sewed up heading into the
Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were off the campaign trail today,
preparing for Monday`s debate, although they`re preparing in markedly
different ways. Sources telling NBC News that Clinton will be
participating in mock debates with somebody playing the role of Donald
Trump. She`s doing timed drills.
But sources also telling NBC News that Donald Trump is doing nothing of the
sort. He`s continuing his more laid-back approach of sitting around and
spitballing with his closest aides.
I, for one, don`t really believe any of it because they`re all spinning us
so hard to try to manage expectations about this right now. Honestly –
when we`re this close to the debate there`s no real reason to believe the
spin. There`s no real reason to even listen to the spin.
At this point, we just wait it out because on Monday night we will get to
see them in action and all of the spin will become irrelevant because it`s
going to happen live and in prime time.
Our debate coverage is going to start here on MSNBC at 6:00 p.m. Eastern.
It`s going to be Chris Hayes 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. And then at 7:00 p.m.
Eastern, Brian Williams and I will be here along with Chris Matthews and
the cast of thousands. And then, the actual clash of action starts at 9:00
p.m. Eastern and you can watch the whole thing here, commercial-free. You
should watch it with us.
It`s all very exciting. You`re not going to want to miss it. Obviously,
you and 80 million of your fellow citizens are all expected to be there and
you actually need a doctor`s note and an excuse if you`re not going to.
We will be right back.
MADDOW: Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey is serving his second and
final term in office. He cannot run for reelection. That`s probably a
good thing for him right now. A new poll out this week puts the percentage
of New Jersey residents who view Chris Christie favorably at an all-time
low, 23 percent – 23 percent favorable – 23?
Remember when George W. Bush was in his second term as president and his
approval rating fell through the floor and the whole country couldn`t wait
to see him go and John McCain didn`t want to be seen with him, even in all
that time, George W. Bush never dropped to 23 percent of people viewing him
favorably, but that is where Chris Christie is right now, and I`m guessing
it may be about to get worse.
This is the list of potential witnesses who may get called to testify in
the federal trial in which Chris Christie`s deputy chief of staff and one
of his top-appointed officials are facing felony charges for Bridgegate,
for shutting down access lanes on the busiest bridge in the world in order
to punish one of Chris Christie`s political enemies.
This is a big case. The potential witness list is giant. We don`t assume
they`ll call everybody on this list, but one of the names they could call
to testify is Governor Chris Christie himself. He`s on the potential
Today, the prosecution star witness took the stand. He`s a Christie
appointee who has pled guilty for his role in Bridgegate. He`s facing 15
years in prison for his role in the scandal. His name is David Wildstein.
He`s cooperating with the prosecution and today, his first day on the stand
he testified as to what his job was as a Chris Christie appointee at this
agency where he worked. This gigantic, two-state agency called the Port
Port Authority runs roads, bridges and tunnels and airport and marine
facilities. It`s giant. And David Wildstein testified today that he
operated at that agency by what he called by his one constituent rule.
Meaning he only had one constituent. Meaning the only person that mattered
to him and the only person his actions were designed to benefit was
Governor Chris Christie.
David Wildstein said under oath today that the Port Authority was used as
an instrument of Chris Christie`s re-election campaign. That he was
expected as Christie`s appointee at the Port Authority to use the Port
Authority`s assets to reward or to punish people based on how they treated
Chris Christie. The whole Port Authority was to be used as leverage to get
Chris Christie endorsements from other elected officials for his re-
He said that order to use the Port Authority that way to get endorsements
for the reelect, he says that order came from Governor Christie himself and
also from Christie`s aide, deputy chief of staff Bridget Ann Kelly, who is
one of the defendants on trial, and he said it mostly came from Governor
Christie`s campaign manager, a man named Bill Stepien.
Bill Stepien now incidentally is the national field director for the Donald
Trump for president campaign, and he was running the scheme? Oh, tell me
more. Tell me everything.
The great news for the popcorn industry is that David Wildstein, the star
witness for the prosecution, is expected to continue his testimony for all
of next week. We`ll be right back.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DEMONSTRATOR: Black lives matter! Black lives matter! Black lives
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: We`re keeping an eye tonight on Charlotte, North Carolina on this,
the fourth night of demonstrations since the fatal police shooting Tuesday
of Keith Lamont Scott.
These protests started up tonight largely within the past 90 minutes or so.
So far, it`s clear there are a lot of people out in the streets and there`s
a lot of energy and no reports of any disturbances. These are peaceful
Earlier in the day, we saw student-led protests at several local area high
schools, including at Mallard Creek High and Hopewell High, Olympic High,
Vance High, also at Charlotte`s Northwest School of the Arts.
But again, starting at around 8:00 p.m. local time tonight, protesters did
start marching once again through the streets of Charlotte. You heard
those chants, “black lives matter”. We`re also hearing, “stand up, fight
back”, and “No justice, no peace”. Also repeated chants of “release the
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DEMONSTRATORS: Release the tapes! Release the tapes! Release the tapes!
Release the tapes! Release the tapes!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Protesters in Charlotte tonight calling for local officials to
release the police video of the Keith Scott shooting. They`re asking
people also to watch the video that was taken by Keith Scott`s wife which
NBC News released today.
Charlotte leaders are also, in a sense, nationalizing their response and
they`re asking people outside Charlotte who agree with them and who
empathize with them in these protests to protest where they live.
Tonight, we`re seeing some of that. This is a live shot from Atlanta,
Georgia. This is one of the large marches that`s happening in the country
tonight. This was organized by the NAACP in Atlanta tonight.
It shows there are a lot of other signs of it, but this big crowd tonight
out in Atlanta shows how this response to the shooting in North Carolina is
Joining us now is Corine Mack. She`s president of the Charlotte, North
Carolina branch of the NAACP.
Ms. Mack, thank you so much for talking to us tonight. I know this has
been a difficult few days.
CORINE MACK, CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA NAACP: Thank you for having me.
MADDOW: How would you describe the community reaction today to seeing the
cell phone video that was released by Keith Scott`s wife?
MACK: I think there was a definite anger, initially, and most of us began
to think about the family once again, just imagining how the short – Mrs.
Scott should have been seeing her husband die before her. That had to be
traumatic and she was in our hearts and prayers for the day today.
MADDOW: Obviously, there is a tremendous amount of pressure, including in
the streets tonight that local authorities should release the police video,
as well, the dash cam video and the body cam video. The family, when they
look through their attorneys and when they have seen those videos which the
police have shown them, they also don`t believe they conclusively define
what happened in that incident.
Do you think those police videos are released that it will materially
change the way people feel about this incident?
MACK: I know it would change the way they feel with the relationship
between themselves and the police department. The incident, I`m not so
sure, but I do know this, those videos probably have very different angles
which would give a different perspective. I know the videos that we heard
the family Scott already said, they could not determine, there were a lot
of blockage and areas that they could not see anything.
And I think it`s important, in terms of transparency, I think it`s
important that the CMPD does release the videos. We have a long way to go.
A long way to go to build that bridge, but at least in doing that, that`s a
small olive branch towards what we`re trying to get done, which is a
conversation, an honest conversation and possibly building trust again.
MADDOW: In terms of the protests, obviously, this is four straight nights,
we`re seeing large crowds out in the street. Last night, people were out
until the wee hours, even though that curfew was announced, large, peaceful
protests, energetic protests last night.
Can you tell us anything in terms of how the organizing is going on behind
these protests and it was organic with people just showing up and is this a
pretty tightly organized effort across the city?
MACK: I think it`s both. I know that the Charlotte Mecklenburg
(INAUDIBLE) as well as the NAACP have been working collaboratively to get
things done. But there are some organic, you know, areas in terms of the
The thing is I think that this oneness, we`re all frustrated and we`re all
angry, we`re sick and tired of being sick and tired. We`re seeing African-
Americans being killed by police and nobody is accountable. You know,
there is not one incident we can think of where someone was found guilty of
shooting an unarmed person and we`re sick of it.
So, I think just based on that and then when you look at the systemic
problems we have in this country and systemic racism and oppression. When
you look at North Carolina itself being number 50, in the country in terms
of the vulnerability for black people, we understand there is a problem
here beyond the fact that we`re being killed. There is a problem in terms
of the educational system, the pipeline problem we have here, prison
industrial complex issues we have here, there`s a whole host of problems
that need to be resolved.
MADDOW: Corine Mack, as president of the Charlotte branch of the NAACP,
you`re really the tip of the spear, your organization could not be more
critical in terms of what`s going on there and the eyes of the nation being
upon Charlotte – thank you for taking time to help us understand what`s
going on there. Good luck to you.
MACK: Thank you. I appreciate you.
MADDOW: All right. Much more ahead tonight. Do please stay with us.
MADDOW: Breaking news: we have just got a new statement from the Clinton
campaign. I mentioned earlier this hour that Hillary Clinton`s campaign
had announced she would be going to Charlotte, North Carolina, not
tomorrow, Sunday. Sunday this weekend, so the day before Monday`s debate,
had said that might be in question because Charlotte`s mayor had expressed
that visits from either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, she would hope,
they could be delayed. Obviously, Charlotte feels like they`ve got a lot
on their plate right now, not least of which is a continuing state of
emergency in that city.
A statement from Hillary Clinton`s communications director tonight Jen
Palmieri, “Hillary is grateful for and intends to honor the invitation from
faith leaders to visit with the Charlotte community. After further
discussion with community leaders, though, we have decided to postpone
Sunday`s trip to want impact the city`s resources. She`ll plan to visit
Charlotte next Sunday provided the circumstances allow. In the meantime,
her prayers are with the people of Charlotte during this difficult day.”
So, Hillary Clinton now not planning on going to Charlotte this Sunday.
Stay with us.
MADDOW: If you remember back to the days when Iraq was in the news every
single day, when the Iraq war was such big American news that we all
learned at least a little bit of Iraq geography by heart, you`ll remember
that the northern part of Iraq up in the northeastern part of Iraq, there
is a part of that country that isn`t really run by the national government.
That`s the Kurdish-controlled part of Iraq, right? Semiautonomously
governed by the Kurds.
Up in the northern part of Iraq, sandwiched between the Kurdish-controlled
region on one side and the Syrian border on the other side, there is a
major Iraqi city called Mosul, and Mosul used to have about 2.5 million
people, making it basically the third largest city in Iraq. But then a
couple of years ago, Mosul got taken over by ISIS and now nobody knows how
many people live there anymore. Maybe it`s down to a million people? We
don`t know. We also don`t really know what condition that city is in since
is has been running it for so long.
Other big, well-known cities in Iraq like Ramadi and Fallujah, they`ve been
taken back from ISIS control, but Mosul is the one that ISIS still has.
They`ve got it now, but maybe not for long.
For months now, there have been reports that Iraqi forces of some strike
presumably with U.S. help and, they`ve been positioning and moving weapons
and forces into place to get ready to take back the city of Mosul from
ISIS, to take back the single largest city that ISIS controls in Iraq, the
single largest city that ISIS controls anywhere.
The Iraqi prime minister has recently expressed that he wants the Mosul
operation to take place by the end of the year. Well, I can now report
that there are new signs that that incident, that operation may be
imminent, even just from a U.S.-involvement perspective.
A couple of weeks ago, the U.S. sent 400 more American service members into
Iraq. Many of them were presumably sent to what`s being described as U.S.
logistics hub just south of Mosul, in that spot that we`ve marked here on a
little star. That U.S.-run facility made news just this week when ISIS
apparently lobbed a shell into that facility that appears to have contained
mustard gas. Oh great.
Nobody was hurt, but that`s ominous. Now, in addition to those 400
Americans that were sent in just a couple of weeks ago, now, U.S. officials
have leaked to “The Wall Street Journal” a new request for 500 more U.S.
troops to be sent over there now.
And again, this is just a leak. It`s not an official announcement that
they are going, but if we are sending another 500 American servicemen and
servicewomen over there, that will bring the total number of U.S. service
members deployed in Iraq well over 6,000, and it probably means that the
invasion of the biggest ISIS-controlled city on earth is coming up fast.
Things to watch for in terms of it becoming truly imminent, watch for
cities and small towns on the way to Mosul to be taken first. We`ve
already seen a couple of those be announced in the last week. Hopefully,
we`ll be also be watching for some sort of plan to take care of the
hundreds of thousands of refugees who are going to flee that giant city
when the bombardment starts.
But I`m telling you, this thing is coming. It`s going to be a deal, and my
expectation is going to happen before the U.S. election.
Watch this space.
MADDOW: All right, here`s a story you have not heard anywhere else. Here
was Donald Trump a few days ago in North Carolina in a place he had not
intended to be. This is a barbecue restaurant in Greensboro, North
Carolina. And you need to see him in these pictures, first, because Mr.
Trump did not intend to be in that barbecue restaurant that you don`t
actually get to lay eyes on him on this next video. But I swear he`s
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REPORTER: Mr. Trump, can you take some questions from us?
REORTER: Mr. Trump, will you take some questions?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: Mr. Trump would not be taking any questions in that barbecue joint
in Greensboro, North Carolina. He had started his day, his Tuesday in
North Carolina just a little down the road with a rally in High Point, the
crowd there very enthusiastic, honestly a notably white crowd.
And at that mostly white super enthusiastic rally, Mr. Trump again made his
appeal to African-American voters who really, truly were not there in the
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: That`s worse than the war-torn
nations that you`re looking at. That`s worse than Afghanistan. The
schools are failing. The jobs are leaving, and millions are trapped in
So, to the African American community, I say, vote for Donald Trump. I
will fix it. I will fix it.
What do you have to lose? Your education is broken. Your communities are
unsafe. There are no jobs, what do you have to lose?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: What do you have to lose? Donald Trump making that appeal for
African-American votes in an almost entirely white room. That was in the
afternoon. And then in the evening, he spoke at another rally in
Kenansville, North Carolina, where he again stood before an almost entirely
white audience to make his appeal to black voters.
Donald Trump basically just pronouncing the death sentence for America`s
inner cities while speaking to a white crowd in a rural town of less than
1,000 people in North Carolina.
So, that was Donald Trump`s day in swing state North Carolina, but it was
not the day he intended to have, which we can now report, and I`ll show
what I mean. Trump started out in High Point, North Carolina. He ended up
here in the evening, making that same appeal, again, to black voters, even
though he was speaking to a room full of white people.
But between them, if you leave High Point on the interstate, the first
place you come to is Greensboro, which is just a half an hour away. And
right in downtown Greensboro is a fascinating place, the International
Civil Rights Center and Museum. It`s built around the lunch counter. It`s
built around old Woolworth`s lunch counter, where four African-American
begin what is now known universally as the sit-in movement. They sat down
at an all-white lunch counter in Greensboro, North Carolina. That`s where
it all started, but their lives and their livelihoods and their flesh and
blood for equality.
And today, you can visit that exact same lunch counter in the exact same
spot at that civil rights museum in Greensboro, North Carolina. We`ve got
this epic new national African-American museum. But there`s also this one
in Greensboro, and you really ought to see this too. Unless, of course,
what you want is not so much to see it but to be seen yourself.
So, that museum is on the way for Donald Trump`s first campaign speech to
his second campaign speech. He drove right by the Civil Rights Museum.
Since then, we have learned that Donald Trump intended to go to that Civil
Rights Museum before later changing his mind. We think we`ve learned why.
On Saturday, we can report that a representative of the Trump campaign
showed up unannounced at that museum. According to the museum CEO, the
Trump representative used a very authoritative tone as he informed the
Museum staff that Trump security would be coming by on Tuesday, Trump
himself would show up shortly thereafter specifically so he could be filmed
walking through the Civil Rights Museum.
When the staff tried to ask about the event and what this was about, the
head of the museum says the Trump representative just told them it was
happening, it was on the campaign books, the Trump campaign was coming, the
candidate was coming, so get ready, period. Well, that happened this
That caused the head of the International Civil Rights Museum to release
this statement of Monday of this week, quote, “The International Civil
Rights Center and Museum is a non-partisan, non-profit organization
committed to advancing an enlightened understanding of civil rights. Any
ream observer can conclude and many have that Donald J. Trump is in
comprehensive opposition to the values and mission of the Civil Rights
Museum. Also as a practical matter, the museum is not in a position to
suspend its operations to serve as a backdrop to legitimatize Mr. Trump`s
The Civil Rights Museum says they told Mr. Trump he`s welcome to come as a
citizen. Any citizen is welcome. But they were not going to stop
everything and close up shop to become a photo-op showcase for Donald
Trump`s, what did they call it, “comprehensive opposition to the values and
the mission of the Civil Rights Museum.”
And so, Donald Trump and his campaign did not go to the Greensboro Civil
Rights Museum. Apparently, they decided they didn`t want to face that.
They apparently did need to stop in Greensboro, but what they did is they
just went in and got some barbecue instead. The local papers says, he sure
surprised all the diners there. They didn`t know he was coming.
And reporters did try to ask him questions there but he did not answer.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REPORTER: Mr. Trump, when did you change your mind about the birther
issue? When did you decide that President Obama was actually born in the
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: That was Donald Trump`s Tuesday in North Carolina. No answer to
those questions. No stop at the Civil Rights Museum either, even though
they tried to.
So far, no comment from the campaign on that canceled planned trip to the
Civil Rights Museum or why they`ve canceled. We`ve asked them about it,
they apparently don`t want to talk about it. But I should tell you that
that Tuesday in North Carolina was the day Keith Lamont Smith (ph) was shot
and killed in the streets of Charlotte, North Carolina, and we`ve got four
straight nights of protests since, including tonight.
That does it for this our coverage this hour tonight. We`ll see you again
Now, it`s time for “THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL”.
Good evening, Lawrence.
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